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Bernie Sanders, Don't Kid Yourself!
Submitted by Tibor Machan via Acting-Man.com,
From the Cradle to the Grave
When during the last presidential election campaign Mitt Romney suggested that some 47 percent of Americans choose to be dependent on the government, he seems to have been right. (The exact number is probably impossible to ascertain.) And at this time, the Democrats are pretty much hoping that at least that many Americans believe they are the beneficiaries of government wealth redistribution, consisting of welfare payments, subsidies, Medicare, unemployment benefits, public works, public education, etc., etc., which they will secure for them.

A slightly adapted ad for socialism
To generalize this, let us simply take it that a very large proportion of the citizenry sees itself as dependent on government support. This is how most people in Europe and elsewhere around the globe see themselves. They require cradle to grave handouts. The rest are the producers, people who take the initiative to be productive, creative, and so forth. It is this latter group that supplies the resources from which the former take the wealth they require for their survival and flourishing. So Mitt Romney had it roughly right.

Mitt Romney: it was impolitic of the rich guy to say it out loud, but it was one thing he did get roughly right. If you wonder whether the Democrats really dream of a “cradle to grave” nanny state, just consider Obama’s comically helpless and utterly creepy Julia
What is one to make of this? Well, before we can answer we need to figure out if those who depend on government support in their lives have it right — do they have it coming to them? Do the others, the productive ones owe them the support they require and gain?
The Democrats evidently think so. But they have a problem: how is the support to be supplied? After all, both groups are in need of sustenance and if only one group supplies the resources, will the support be sufficient? And will those who produce it be willing to continue to do so?
The Deciders
Socialists believe that the society is just one “organic body” and as with all such entities resources are used indiscriminately by the organism so as to support its various functions, organs, faculties, etc., never mind who produces and who consumes the resources; those are for the whole system to use as is needed: “From each according to his/her ability, to each according to his/her need!”
Trouble is some of the people will have to decide about all this. It is not automatic, contrary to what Marxists think. And here is where the politicians and their appointed bureaucrats enter the picture. So called democratic socialists give the impression that there can be some grand democratic process that handles the administration of the distribution of responsibilities and uses, who must produce and who may consume.

Karl Marx somehow neglected to mention that someone will have to decide who will get what in the socialist State. So someone else will make those decisions for you. What will qualify him to do so? Naturally most supporters of socialism think they will be among the deciders. A grave error as many tend to find out once it is adopted.
And that tends to foster internal conflict within the society subject to the democratic socialist process. After a while those who take from the system will insist that those who produce in it need to work harder. Or enormous debt will be accumulated that member of future generations must shoulder. And the willingness to do this may not be forthcoming after a while. Inter-generational conflict will arise.
Marx and other communists thought that the distribution of responsibilities would occur automatically and peacefully, but he was counting on a new human being, “the new man,” he called it, to emerge, but that is a myth. No such new man is in sight. So ordinary human beings, for ordinary human beings, must handle the administration of the socialist system etc., etc. No magic will be forthcoming.

A bunch of socialist supermen, gazing sternly toward the future. The socialist superman was a myth Marxists propagated for decades…no longer would humans be plagued by human nature, so the story went…
Ordinary human beings, however, don’t stand for being coercively used by their fellows, so in time there will be clashes. At first they will do this politically but in time coercive force will arise. The gulags will be utilized, to rid the system of people who don’t want to be used. So democratic socialism degenerates into Soviet style socialism.

Bernie Sanders, don’t kid yourself!
If he really believes that socialism is the solution, then he is misguided – even though his criticism of oligarchic cronyism is justified.
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That's inevitable for those headed straight to hell.
I prefer not to.
The United States of America has the most gulags in the world bar none. USSA is one BIG gulag IMHO.
Socialism is Cronyism. Just ask anybody who's worked in a union for 20 years.
Collectivism, aka the "social contract", is tyranny by majority vote. Freedom means that the power lies with the individual and we have adherence to natural law, which provides us our inalienable rights.
Fuck Bernie and his idiotic minions.
Rights do not exist.
And you don't exist either.
Natural Rights stem from God, and as a philosophical concept stand on very solid foundations.
YOU have some reading to do.
"Natural Rights stem from God"
God is very, shall we say "elusive"...I’ve seen Bigfoot more than I’ve seen God.
Rights DO NOT come from GOD; they come from MEN that are “Closer to God” than you and I…God “speaks to them” about our Rights and they relay that message to us…
Natural Rights are a creation of your brain; they are something you desire, that you feel you deserve…but if enough MEN disagree, your “Rights” go flying out the window and “God” stands by silently…
Rights are natural and come from either Nature or Nature's God (your choice). Your natural right to self determination is every bit as real and organic as your hand or your foot or the nose on your face.
Which 'god'?
Please specify and supply at least some verifiable evidence for the existence of said concept.
At that point I might pay attention to your idea.
YOU have some reading to do.
Rights absolutely do exist, regardless of whether or not our selected government cocksuckers openly piss on them.
That just shows you the type of mentality the Bernie Sanders and their toady minions have of individual humans in the world.
Only the government can grant you rights.
I can see the next civil war in this country will be between those that want to be the slaves of the government and those that want individual liberty and limited government.
"Rights" only exist if the Majority wants them; there are no "Rights" from "God"...if there are, God sure does a poor job of granting and guaranteeing them...
“God” grants us “rights”; then we kill each other fighting over them…some God…
There's this God...he grants us these "unalienable rights"...billions of people, his creation, go without these rights for millennia after millennia, suffering day in and day out, while those “enjoying these rights” kill millions, in the name of God, trying to give others these “rights”…seriously?
If you insist that you have no rights then why are you still speaking? It's not like you have a right to do so.
A person should only be granted the rights he/she would grant others.
That would surely smarten things up in a fairly rapid manner.
Until then, the Ignorati will continue to exercise the right to be stoopid!
It is hard to calculate the % because how do you calculate Welfare companies? All the employees? the executive team? The shareholders?
Every fucktard that talks about Socialism and doesn't mention corporate Socialism or Cronyism is just human waste..
Apparently it has escaped you that socialism is government control of the means of production. Hence it follows that ALL SOCIALISM IS CORPORATE SOCIALISM AND CRONYISM.
Head out of butt, please.
The argument over ISM's is tired. There is freedom and then there is everything else.
Agreed.
Freedom also involves responsibility.
I think that's the bit those who oppose freedom are scared of.
And Crony Capitalism is the inevitable result of any Capitalist system in practise, so?
Because the number of times in history that the powerful have not tried to game the system even more so in their favor is for all intents and purposes zero....
Cronyism is less efficient than honesty. In a free market, the cronies lose economically to the honest players.
As with most philospher/polticians (or poliphers or even philiticians!) who impose their beliefs and theories on others who have different theories and beliefs, democracy simply fails because there isn't enough money to pay for some complete tosser saying "vote for me and I will pay you someone else's money". The current choice of douche (Sanders) and shit sandwich (Trump) both represent philosophies that will only garner 35-40%% support even if they win (voter turnout of 70-80% tops v close run thing because of money spent directly during the campaign to buy votes or promises later to buy votes).
There are people that either actively and diametrically oppose anyone's dogma and there are those people who use politics to prolong for as long as possible to maintain their trough feeding and who switch of views/policies to prolong the sucking sponge of the voters money (Clinton).
No polipher is going to apply the same principles on the funding side to the promises and policies they make on the spending side. for example, Sanders won't apply quotas to benefits (that is some sort of budget that can be afforded for benefits) and Trump won't ring fence finance and trade rather than people outside US borders.
If either party had any expertise IN DEPTH that could be applied with say, a 30 strong executive they appoint to NOT feed at the trough, but instead show plans along key metrics like "our policies will turn the trade deficit to a surplus so we can pay off the national debt" or " we will increase per capita income by 2% per annum over five years" or "we will drop 500,000 fewer tons of bombs on people in foreign countries that 90% of US citizens can't even locate on a map" or "we will very that the 50 million benefit claimaants are legitimate" or " we will enforce a ban on semi automatic and automatic weapons in densely populated US areas and provide lock and key with a permit system for the rest (with the reason what you need to use a smei-automatic or automatic weapon)" then we might know we have key measurable tasks with which to judge philitician/poliphers and by which they can judge themselves (and hopefully learn from).
Anyway, for me, the trade deficit is the cause of government borrowing and any and all governments with strcutural trade deficits are basically much more stupid than those with strcutural trade surpluses. Government policies/philosophies can only be succesful if trade surpluses exist, since it matters less what the democratcially elected shit sandwiches and douches actually do.
Democracy is not magic. A majority vote does not bend morality.
In a group of 9 men and 1 woman, a 90%vote for gang rape does not make rape moral.
Bernie Sanders, like all the other communists, will either kill us or enslave us.
FIGHT before it's too late.
Bernie is providing Bill Clinton's wife cover on the "Left." Trump is providing Bill Clinton's wife cover on the "Right." Checkmate!
Socialism is not the solution but it is the automatic outcome when you have a minority that own everything and gradually reduce the majority to poverty.
The 2016 campaign is theater for the masses.
Biden pulled out b/c of the wink and the nod from the DOJ which meant they are not going to pursue Hillary. Bernie is a trial balloon - there to float a concept. The handlers know if he is elected (in 2016) we'll start shooting each other - and ESP those who engineered his election. He will acquiesce to Hillary as well.
The problem is fat Jeb or fatter Crisco Christie was supposed to be the counter choice to Hillary. Trump is standing in the way. (He is also standing in the way of legit Conservative R's like Cruz).
The fix is in. Only question left is how long until a critical mass says "no more" and is willing to back it with the barrel of a gun?
Our birthright has all but been stolen from us.......
Why not expend the effort to become needy? It's easier than working.
What's with all the anti Bernie articles... must be written by Goldman Sach shit heads who want Jeb or Hitlery who want to continue their oligarch take over..
Even Russia has healthcare for all.. USA is a joke.. most poor republicans who think a little socialism is bad are too dumb to know better as they haven't traveled anyway... they think they can get ahead by working hard... what a joke.. .
USA must become USSA so that people don't starve to death...
Government healthcare doesn't mean you lose your guns or rights... . it means the healthcare system will actually cost less than the rip off BS fraud healthcare that is currenlty in the USA.
the rest of the world laughs are Americans... too dumb to help themselves
Freedom, motherfucker! Do you speak it???!!!
Government healthcare doesn't mean you lose your guns or rights.
What about my right to not buy health insurance without having to worry about being locked in a cage?
In Europe people pay more taxes, but at least they get something back, by way of being able to walk into a healthcare facility and be taken care of a team of doctors, rather than a lawyer and an accountant.
I'm no fan of government but FFS Americans, Wake the Fuck Up!
Health care and gun ownership have nothing to do with each other.
"That hypocrite smokes 2 packs a day".
He reminds me of the dude in the smoke and flames in the Oz castle with his tussled hair.
I am fully prepared to join you in the fight for the right to paaaaarty!
When during the last presidential election campaign Mitt Romney suggested that some 47 percent of Americans choose to be dependent on the government, he seems to have been right.
No this not what Rommey said! Rommey said that 47% of the people don't pay income taxes and those are not his kind of people.
If you misrepresent facts to suit your agenda and decorate your post with 'propaganda pictures' why would I even want to read your diatribe for?"
Because it's free asshole.
Come back and complain when you pay.
Well that asshole allows me to throw off excrement through my anus unlike you whose mouth is full of shit, always!
Give the man some prune juice.
He looks like he hasn't taken a shit in years.
SO true!
I have found the simplest and most effective way to explain this is to "fill in the blanks"...
“THE STATE TAKES From each according to his ability, THE STATE GIVES to each according to his need AS DETERMINED BY THE STATE!”
We are in the end game my friends enjoy every sandwich. I think that my tactic will be to look poor and keep a leaky canoe ready for an alibi.
Bernie was a 55.6 % marginal tax rate with full single payer healthcare. What he doesn't tell you is that you will still have to buy gap insurance for the part the gov't doesn't cover. He also wants you to live in a house under 900 sq ft in size. Good luck to those who support this thinking. You are truly a bunch of fucking idiots.
..and Bush wanted everyone to own the "Home of their Dreams" and spread "Freedom and Democracy" across the globe.."Fucking Idiots" come in all political flavors.
Don't worry there's more than enough in the population to buy his shit sandwich and eat it.
What he has to figure out though, once everyone's wealth has been stolen, how do you keep from becoming either Cuba, Venezuela, or North Korea.
"What he has to figure out though, once everyone's wealth has been stolen"...
By the time he's sworn in, the 1% should have 80+% of the wealth; probably take more than 4 or 8 years to "redistribute" all of that...
Yeah, we need to end the Fed, just like Bernie has said.
Oh, wait...
Marx didn't fail to mention who the deciders would be. The deciders were the Borg collective of society. Everyone would decide. And there would be no individuals within the Borg. It was one organic body.
This, of course, after the proletariat wiped out both the bourgeois AND the poor underclasses with no skills. People fail to mention this, but Marxists knew the revolution and subsequent war would wipe out the underclass. That working middle class intellectuals would somehow emerge from all this. Artisans, engineers, scientists, academics, intellegensia. It's the sick joke of this all. Marxism is not a political philosophy for the poor. They get wiped out. And it why socialists find their ways into population control areas: abortion, birth control, "biodiversity", environmentalist movements (banning DDT has killed as many people the past 30 years than world war 1), and de-industrialization efforts so that the another half of the world perishes.
Bernie Sanders voter, "Hey, I broke into your house, stole all your shit, sold it all, and used the money to feed the poor!"
Rational Human Being, "You broke into my fucking house?!?! I'm gonna kick your ass!"
Bernie Sanders voter, "Oh, I see. You don't care about poor people."
Bernie Sanders voter: "Hey you rigged the fucken system to make YOURSELF insanely fucken rich while the poor (me) work 3 shit fucken jobs to supplement my welfare check..fuck you, your party is over!"
If he really believes that socialism is the solution, then he is misguided – even though his criticism of oligarchic cronyism is justified.
Americans would rather pay 10 times more for healthcare than the rest of the world as they are afraid of "communist" healthcare
Americans pay so much because, essentially, they have a socialist health care system, but without necessary limits.
If an American had to pay cash at a hospital, she would start asking inconvenient questions, "Why is this simple procedure so expensive? Why your medication is 3 times more expensive than in Mexico? Why does the other doctor charge 50% of what you want?"
Then an older American would come to a hospital. "Sorry, it'll cost $1,000,000 to extend your life by 6 months. Your young neighbors don't want to pay the required money for you!"
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In the USSR, a government employee decided what kind of procedure was allowed in each case. Usually, it was the cheapest.
For example, somebody wanted a new tooth. "Forget about implants! A stainless steel crown is as good."
".. Then an older American would come to a hospital. "Sorry, it'll cost $1,000,000 to extend your life by 6 months. Your young neighbors don't want to pay the required money for you!"..
And when YOU'RE the older American, I'm sure you'll just gladly turn down your social security, medicare, etc. After all, the young people don't want to pay your bill when you have your first MI.
I can tell that you've never had to acutally use health insurance for anything major yet. If you think those limits only exist in socialist government run systems, then you haven't been stuck with a $50K bill by your for profit insurance company yet after getting your "benefits denied" letter.
In a socialist country, a doctor will give you a prescription for Aspirin instead of asking you to pay $50,000 for an expensive procedure. That's the only difference.
It happens in Cuba. But Cuban doctors try to treat and prevent illnesses when it's easy to do so.
It's much easier to cut body fat and get 6 years more of life span than to pay $200,000 to treat the results of obecity in order to get additional 6 months.
Garbage In,Garbage Out. George Carlin
In Canada there is healthcare for all... and 10 times cheaper than USA... but in USA they prefer to pay all the middlemen insurance firms cause it is 'capitalism'.. can't have communism in USA!!! People need to proft off your well being... that's the American way..
then they claim this capitalism system is so much better, but most can't afford it anyway... insurance firms will somehow deny you when you need something expensive...
McCathyism lives in USA!!! no healtcare commies allowed.. hunt them down...
Americans are idiots, they are as sheep in the field, and respond however their masters direct them. "Socilaism bad", and all the little haters get in line on one side, and the libs line up on the other. Capitalism is a sham, it is anti democratic, it pits the few over the many, but don't tell the right that, Fox tells them otherwise, the zionist filth has them trained to hate anything the libs like, and certainly visa versa.
And while the right hates Muslims and gays, they allow our borders to be WIDE open. They love the military and fascism, but don't ever question why that magnificent military can't even defend our own borders. Conservatives are just bullies, they only fight the fights they know they can win.
and where are you from, oh wise one?
In what way is that relevant?
then all us stoopid mericans can learn and study up on this great civilization of his
Don't let Bernie be the candidate.... Goldman doesn't want him... they want Hitlery... so get people all fired up comparing Bernie to Lenin.... ya, that should do it... demonize Bernie... after all, he said you can keep you gun...
While you are at it... put a hate on for Trump too... Jeb Goldman... all the way...
suckers...
Bernie sanders voted against auditing the banks.
-Nuff Said
He's controlled opposition.
Which bill vote are you referring to? I'd like to look it up out of curiousity.
He was a driving force behind the FED AUDIT.
Bernie Sanders calls to audit the Federal Reserve .... Federal Reserve will see to it Bernie isn't president ...
Hilarious... Those complaining about Bernie's policy suggestions while living off of the Fed's QE "Welfare". How are those home values, boys? Stocks still above 2008 levels? You can thank your welfare queen QE "benefits". Even Mitt enjoys those benefits along with the rest of the 1%.
BS article, you blame socialism for the failings of Americans. Socialism works great if you have a spine, it does not work when you let free loaders into the system. The system we have NOW does not work at all, period. 50 years in and we are nearing self destruction. Socialism, works great, if you are part of a tight-nit community. But in America we have opened our borders, we are now infested with parasites from Mexico, and the weak are angry at socialism, versus our own inability to enforce laws and be grownups. Why is it we can bomb children in the Middle East, no problem, but tell two illegals, if they have a child, that child is NOT a US citizens is "inhumane"? It is because Zionist filth have corrupted us with PC BS. Interesting how that same "PC" mentality does not criticize bombing in the Middle East, or Israel, ever.
in this article
Bernie = bad
Central banks and QE = good
Americans are so uniformed... even in Russia open heart surgery is no problem... in USA the insurance companies will try and deny you...Canada it's all in your taxes... that are lower than in USA... no health insurance bills in Canada
even ZH'ers claim they are wise to zio messages,, but still buy into the anti communist healthcare message...
Yanks are the biggest trained seals in the world... healthcare bad...
healthcare communist... better to die free with no insurance, or be denied coverage than let the commies bring in healthcare from socialism.... what fools
But don't fool yourself Bernie
It's lookin' at you
Don't fool yourself "voter"
It's winkin' at you
Don't fool yourself chump
It's blinkin' at you
That's why I say
They're gonna ram it, ram it, ram it
Ram it up yer poop chute
I voted for the Free Sex Party -- now why is there a giant black dick up my ass?
What - you want a stiff upper lip too?
From each according to her ability, to each according to her need.
Yeah, well I need liberty!
So leave me alone, socialists...
... and all other authoritarians too.
Authoritarians only understand a punch in the nose, honestann. Logic or reason does not apply to their fundamentalist thinking. One must appeal to their collective hind brain flight, or fight, responses. If their collective survival is threatened they will collectively run away like cowards all do. Abusers are cowards when challenged, or stood up to. I have personally tested that hypothesis many times and can conclude that it is empirically verifiable, and valid.
You're exactly right, except a punch in the nose is grossly insufficient. When a predator comes after you, only two responses are rational... escape the predator or exterminate the predator.
It is insane to just "punch a predator in the nose". At the very least, one must be certain he completely disables the predator. But why hold back? Exterminate. The very fact a predator is attacking means that creature is too dangerous to keep around. The state of the world today proves this point in spades.
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However, a human being is not always in the process of being physically attacked. As any child (or adult) grows, they must first figure out where they stand (with respect to a great many issues). Once they figure that out, they can consider appropriate responses to real, physical situations that may arise, and decide how to repond. And so, discussing these issues from a more theoretical point of view has value, which is what I was doing (for the benefit of anyone who has not decided whether to adopt the "individualist" versus "collectivist" point of view).
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Yes, when it comes to reponse to predators, strong response is appropriate. However, if you decide to stand your ground and defend yourself rather than escape, it is not wise to leave the predator alive. They may return with more of their pack of fellow predators next time to overwhelm you (as in a pack of wolves or a SWAT team). Or they may simply be more careful to surprise you, corner you or catch you off guard when they come back. Taking that chance is just too risky.
To be sure, if "scaring the predator away" is much less risky than killing it dead, then that option may be best... if followed by careful thought and preparations for subsequent attacks by the predator [and its allies].
You are correct that most predators tend to chose the easiest victims... those who present the least risk to the predator.
But one could take this fact as yet another reason to kill the predator dead the first time it attacks. Why? Well, if any family, friends or neighbors that you value live nearby, one probable consequence of scaring the predator away is... the loss of one or more of your family, friends, neighbors (easier victims).
I'm not a collectivist, so I attach no value to any "collective". But if I value anyone nearby (even if just someone convenient to trade with), that might be sufficient reason to offset some degree of increased risk in me "taking care of business" once and for all when a predator attacks (or even just stalks me).
This is why I wish every adult on the planet walked around with a couple six+ shooters on their hips (or in their coat or purse). Unlike other predators, human predators are capable of making a choice...
To be, or not to be... a predator.
That is an important question.
If everyone did carry, a lot more humans would conclude "being a predator is much too risky"... and we'd live in a much better world.
but you are so capable, competent. come here girl, let me put this little yoke on you. it is not heavy
Bernie just wants a gravy train. Braindead mouthbreathing idiots will vote for him.
It must be said that, with such a biased and uninformed view of Socialism, scaring people is easy.
To begin with, the author omits to say that in the USSR, everybody had a job.
You worked and you were paid for your effort. There was no unemployment, hence no "benefits".
If we started by telling the truth?
i can't beleive you think that a) everyone in russia had a job and b) that every job that everyone had actually had a purpose.
just because someone sits on the 11th floor of a moscow hotel landing all day or all night, does not make them "employed".
in the same way, in the west, including welfare benefits like EBT in the calculation of "household income" or "gdp" (via the G in C+G+I +(X-M) = GDP equation) is not the truth.
both systems are flawed.
"just because someone sits on the 11th floor of a moscow hotel landing"
Do you prefer to sit on a hotel floor landing, or in front of your TV begging for food stamps?
Maybe not everybody had relevant jobs, but the majority did, and they all at least had the dignity of working.
the USSR is your argument? what happened to that organization? case closed
"the USSR is your argument? what happened to that organization? case closed"
The USSR is not my argument. It is the argument of your author, up there, though: he mistakes Bernie Sanders for a true socialist and believes Socialism is about benefits.
Both propositions are FALSE.
The best part of collectivism is that it makes boatloads and boatloads of widows and orphans.
Makes it easier to staff harems of children… of all ages; and make snuff films, with impunity.
And people call them “progressives” – “regressives” would be more accurate.
Alright. Enough of this old coot already. How the fuck did he get to be the Trump lite of the democratic party? Something tells me the wicked witch from Little Rock is behind this somehow. This fucker is going to endorse her in several months and all his loyal supporters are going to wake up some day and say, 'Holy shit I have to vote for Hillary?'.
the basic problem with socialism is that at at its core its basically theft by taking people weath by force. "Thou shall not steal."
Socialism and Communism have caused the most deaths of any Ideology or Religion in history. You don't even have to go into serious detail, all you have to do is look at basic history. And yet the majority of the American Public and Europe cries for moar Socialism and moar Government, than complains that their government caters to elites. They claim that Capitalism benefits the few and harms the majority where in truth Socialism benefits the few and harms the majority. Free Market Capitalism cannot exist without free will of consumers and producers to enter an agreement in order for a service to be fulfilled. Producers need consumers otherwise they do not survive meaning consumers (The People) have power over the Producers. It is when the Consumers no longer want to exercise their freedom over Producers and wish for someone else to do the work that Government is called to step in. But power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely meaning that when power becomes centralized around the government it is the minority Elite that the government supports, not the majority. Socialism requires power to be vested in government, and therefore subverts the entire point of Socialism in the first place.
In the end you the Individual must take personal responsibility for the world around you. Not expect someone else to do it for you. While we are not alone in this world, we do not share a body and mind with others. Which is why as individuals you must be able to stand on your own because in the end when every man and women cannot stand on their own who will be able to carry anyone?
NFL IS SOCIALISM
NBA IS SOCIALISM
MLB IS CAPITALISM
NFL & NBA IS MOST SUCCESSFULL
ESP IN YOUNG DEMOS
WHY?
SOCIALISM IS A DEAD LEVEL PLAYING FIELD
We are living under socialism today. Our current system re-distributes wealth from the bottom to the top.