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Another Inconvenient Truth? New NASA Study Finds Antarctica Is Gaining Ice

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Well this is awkward. Just a month after former Aussie PM Tony Abbott openly questioned global warming data (and was 'replaced'), a new NASA study finds another inconvenient truth - Antarctica has been adding more ice than it's been losing, challenging other research, including that of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, that concludes that Earth’s southern continent is losing land ice overall.

As Christian Science Monitor reports,

In a paper published in the Journal of Glaciology on Friday, researchers from NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, the University of Maryland in College Park, and the engineering firm Sigma Space Corporation offer a new analysis of satellite data that show a net gain of 112 billion tons of ice a year from 1992 to 2001 in the Antarctic ice sheet.

 

That gain slowed to 82 billion tons of ice per year between 2003 and 2008.

 

 

Climate scientists caution that these findings don’t mean it’s time to start celebrating the end of global warming.

 

More than anything, the paper shows how difficult it is to measure ice height in Antarctica and that better tools are needed.

For now, the study authors say, these findings challenge current explanations for sea level rise, much of which is attributed to melting ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica.

"The good news is that Antarctica is not currently contributing to sea level rise, but is taking 0.23 millimeters per year away," said Dr. Zwally.

 

"But this is also bad news,” he added. “If the 0.27 millimeters per year of sea level rise attributed to Antarctica in the IPCC report is not really coming from Antarctica, there must be some other contribution to sea level rise that is not accounted for."

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Perhaps it is time to burn just a little more fossil fuel? And maybe VW was doing a global good with its defeat device?

Paging Al Gore.

 

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Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:35 | 6745866 Zero-Hegemon
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As long as they part of the "97% of scientists" meme

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:48 | 6745934 schnydz
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Yes, the "97%" aka the sample size of 75 respondents to a two question survey. But, you know...statistics and all that. 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:29 | 6746125 Bazza McKenzie
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They have been getting away with it because the alarmism suits the agenda of big government, big media and big finance, none of which has a clue about actual science but all of which can recognize a scare theme to exploit when they see it.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:12 | 6745733 TheLazyNative
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suggest you read my post below.

better still: http://unfccc.int/2860.php

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 20:10 | 6751268 logicalman
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Simple questions.

1. In the event of an Ice Age, or Massive Sea Level Rise do you think 7 billion will still be wandering about the place?

2. How likely is it that you, or your offspring, will be one of those left wandering about the place, should your answer to #1 be in the negative.

We are in a warm, interglacial periond right now. Make the best of it.

 

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 16:40 | 6745526 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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Bullshit!!!  Cigarettes DO NOT CAUSE cancer!!!.................uh, I'm on the wrong thread, sorry.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:01 | 6745662 rejected
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Well, They don't!!!!

It's smoking them that increases the risks....

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:22 | 6746098 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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Yeah, but to be completely pedantic, inhaling, rather than smoking, increases the risk.

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 20:14 | 6751295 logicalman
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Untipped can cause cancer in the lips.

Smoke, even if not inhaled but held in the mouth can cause cancer.

My grandfather used to grow and cure his own tobacco - wouldn't touch anything he hadn't grown and cured himself.

He did only smoke one a day though.

There's a detectable amount of Polonium 210 in many, if not all, phosphate fertilizers. Used heavily on in modern tobacco production. Could be a factor.

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 16:40 | 6745527 Johnny Horscaulk
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what about Greenland?

in fairness - the quasi-consensus seems to be Greenland is losing ice, although given the problems with methodology, this claim too deserves healthy skepticism, not the status of a Law of Physics.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:15 | 6745753 RopeADope
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The northern hemisphere is losing ice, the southern gaining it. The thawing in the north is of concern because of the large methane stores currently sequestered in the ground.

It is not as simple as warm+cool= a-ok!

It is also not a matter of humans could never collapse the planet on their own. Humanity has the potential to start chain reactions in a currently dormant planetary chemistry that would make human contributions look puny in comparison.

Think of it as poking a sleeping Russian bear with a very short stick.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:51 | 6746223 ZerOhead
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The Danish Meterological Institute (DMI) says Greenland gained TWICE the amount of new ice that the entire Antarctic gained in just the last 12 months.

Over 200 cubic kilometers

https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2015/10/29/greenland-blowing-away-al...

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 16:42 | 6745537 hotrod
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Global Warming is the biggest CHICKEN LITTLE charade of all time

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 16:43 | 6745548 Zero-Hegemon
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#ManBearPigsMatter

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 16:46 | 6745571 Cerberus Watching
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We're all going to die! Quick, do something! I know, raise my taxes! The fanning effect of dollars leaving my pocket and heading to Washington, D.C. will certainly cool the environment and save mankind.

Our "masters" are seeking yet another way to control us and, never wanting to let a good crisis go to waste, they are beating the drums for nuclear winter/global cooling/climate change/whatever they want to call it this year. Yet, despite this obvious ploy to grab more power, the sheeple line up and drink the kool aid. Nobody questions why the field of science that cannot predicably tell us what the weather will be like tomorrow can, with certainty, tell us that we are doomed unless with get in line and do what we're told. Incredible.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 16:49 | 6745593 BeaverCream
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NWO planning phases:

1. Beat white people over head with racism. Status: COMPLETE

2. Beat all other humanoids over head with climate change. Status: ONGOING

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 16:52 | 6745607 Ralph Spoilsport
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What about sea level rise that only occurs in out of the way places nobody can check on? I really don't know if sea levels are rising or not in other parts of the world. My reality is that our family has occupied the same 200' of shoreline, which has an elevation of 0.000 feet (Sea Level) on the Upper Chesapeake for over 100 years. My grandfather was into photography as well as being a civil and mining engineer. Around 1908, he built an impressive retaining wall and pier out of concrete. The pier has eroded some but both are still there. He took lots of pictures of this area and kept a diary recording storms and unusual tides and currents. The bottom line for me is that Mean Tide Level (arithmetic mean of mean high water and mean low water) occurs at roughly the same distance from the bulkhead as it did around the turn of the century. If it had increased as much as the scaremongers predicted 20 years ago, the Corps of Engineers wouldn't have to dredge the channel anymore and I'd have water in the living room.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:08 | 6745713 css1971
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There is an unfortunate side effect of this failure of the sea level to rise significantly during my lifetime. They were promising that The City of London would be flooded out by now and the bastards are still there.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:19 | 6745758 cigarEngineer
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By the way, sea level change is more pronounced at the lower latitudes due to the equatorial bulge caused by the centrifugal force of the Earth's rotation.

Also, areas at higher latitudes are still rebounding from the massive weight of ice being lifted when the glaciers melted. 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:23 | 6745790 Ralph Spoilsport
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That's good information to keep in mind. Stands to reason some islands will go under that weren't very high to begin with. The constant hammering on about the threat to humanity is what seems to annoy both of us.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 16:54 | 6745627 Depression is Coming
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Global warming is already a success...idea is to create new markets and huge profits for first movers. warming/cooling...all bullshit. The fact that this article exists should anger you.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 16:58 | 6745649 rejected
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Scare, scare, scare!

Whether it's economic, health, climate, war,,, they derive more and more power over us little people.

Works everytime!

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:09 | 6745721 TheLazyNative
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Global temperatures are at record high annual averages. And even with the country-by-country intended nationally-determined contributions to limit emissions, it's estimated that the average temperature will STILL rise by 2.7 degrees celsius. This is catastrophic.

The global climate is a system, and there will be regional variations. Average sea levels might rise but by different amounts in different places. This is based on local water temperature, topography, rates and volumes of run off, etc.

It'll mean wetter weather in some parts of the world, and more dryness and aridity in others. It'll also mean that the amount of ice generation and retention will vary based on ocean currents that convey heat, by the amount of exposure to the sun, cloud patterns, and so on.

So it's all rather complex and local / regional variations continue to demonstrate this. But the underlying trends are now overwhelmingly accepted by climate scientists.

Of course, it's also true that we are still in a long-term period of glaciation, and are actually sitting in a warm pocket of time called the inter-glacial that began about 12,000 years ago. All of modern human civilization has been possible because of that. Eventually, the ice will take over again, although the warming of the last century might have something to say about when that actually happens.

Finally, have a look at the Milankovic Cycles. These show three things: The variation in the earth's orbit around the sun; the periodic change in the earth's axis; and the wobble in the way the earth actually spins. These also affect climate over a period of tens to hundreds of thousands of earth whether or not peeps are maxing out fossil fuels.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:12 | 6745738 cigarEngineer
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"2.7 degrees celsius. This is catastrophic."

How can you say that without falling into uncontrollable laughter? Do you really think life is so fragile that a 2.7° C change is catastrophic? The sea level has risen by HUNDREDS of FEET in the last few thousand years. What's another foot or two, honestly. Do you ever stop and think about that?

Consider the immense areas of frozen tundra that become arable as the planet warms. Think about all the humanity that can be fed by that. For once, stop and think about what you are saying instead of following the herd!

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:24 | 6745799 TheLazyNative
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One vertical foot can translate into 50 to 100 or more feet horizontally. That's enough to destroy entire urban habitats in coastal areas. And that's quite apart from the aggravated effects of storms and surges and salination, etc.

You're right about the extent of sea level rises and falls in the past. However none of these occured during recorded human history, and even the tantalising flood myths don't shed much light on where and when something large scale might have happened.

As for the frozen tundra, the permafrost IS melting, and belching out dangerous levels of methane as it does. The question is, what type of human civilisation is going to survive such mass migrations in the future, when the UK for instance can't even take 4,000 refugees a year from neighboring regions. Migration on the scale you indicate will result in the destruction of whatever we recognize today (whether we like those things or not): nation states, political and economic unions, economies, society. It'll all be at risk.

Now, you might say that's a good thing. But as a parent I have to ask if that level of turmoil is something I want my kids and their kids to face.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:02 | 6746022 Duc888
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"One vertical foot can translate into 50 to 100 or more feet horizontally."

 

So buy a fucking boat and stop whining.  When the tide comes in your house floats... problem solved.

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:41 | 6746176 Icewater Enema
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Exactly. When all your kids are flooded out of their east & west coast real estate, then my Midwest land becomes exponentially more valuable. I can sell it to your kids for a big gain. Winning!

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 20:30 | 6751359 logicalman
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Going to be real tough growing spuds.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 19:23 | 6746371 bombdog
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Melting tundra... isn't that one of your "regional variations"? The Antarctic growing a shit ton of ice is a regional variation according to you. Can this be a regional variation too? How does it work?

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 03:21 | 6747659 MEAN BUSINESS
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Tundra become arable land??? LULZ

Says who?

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:44 | 6745910 still kicking
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Is that 2.7C of adjusted projected manipulated data?  Just want to be sure I understand since no one can provide real unadjusted temperature readings.

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 20:34 | 6751383 logicalman
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That's the problem in so many areas.

Vested interests manipulate anything they can.

Drug studies

Gold price

Vaccine studies

Stock Market

Hard to figure out what's really going on when you spend most of your time trying to sort out who's numbers you can trust and who's are bullshit.

 

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 19:16 | 6746333 bombdog
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the underlying trends are now overwhelmingly accepted by climate scientists

Trends? What trends? Those same guys who can't find any of their predicted warming so they blame it on the sea. All the heat is going to bubble up from the ocean one day and we'll all be sorry! Wooo I'm so scared.

Reading the rest of your post, I get the impression you don't believe in it either? It must be a hard sell for you now, what with both polar caps so stubbornly cold, the Arctic being absolutely fine. 2007 was fine year for the climate science bullshit, ah yes, the global climate wasn't a "system with regional variations" in 2007, no it was a big hot AGW emergency with the end of the Arctic predicted for, if my memory serves me correctly, I think the complete elimination af the Arctic was slated for  2012.

A quick check...

http://wattsupwiththat.com/reference-pages/sea-ice-page/

No looks fine, but I'm sure it's gonna happen... one day, when all the missing heat comes up from the ocean, or wherever it's hiding, it's gonna get hot. Meantime, I'm sure all the hurricaines, floods etc that happen, you know all of the bad things... can't be regional variations, no that's our fault!

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:09 | 6745722 cigarEngineer
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No sane person should trust a "climate scientist." Seriosly, what kind of science is that? How many dix need to get sucked to get funding for that?

The reality is that a warmer planet is a better planet. Less ice means fewer automobile accidents and slips/falls in winter, more arable land to feed more people, et cetera.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:18 | 6745767 Ralph Spoilsport
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All true but the most important thing is that more people will be able to grow their own weed.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:21 | 6746096 Bazza McKenzie
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Yes. Note physicists don't refer to themselves as "physics scientists", nor chemists as "chemistry scientists", nor biologists as "biology scientists".  Everyone know those fields are actually real science.

When someone has to explicitly apply the word "science" to what they are doing, as in social science and climate science, you know they are trying to use language to give their activities an honest cloak that their behavior does not support.  Rather like the US Congress penchant for giving laws titles that are diametrically opposed to what they actually do.

 

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 20:40 | 6751420 logicalman
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Science 'Funding' means science control.

Think about it.

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

Start with that in mind and just let your mind wander.

Less cars means fewer automobile accidents too.

Tundra is the way it is as much becuase of poor soil depth/quality as it is of temperature - the two are connected but you can do your own research on that one.

Warming up thin, shitty soil does not magically bring forth productive arable land.

No sane person would comment on something they haven't thought really carefully about.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:18 | 6745768 cordial savage
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That first timeframe was 14-23 years ago.  Also, the next phase saw an increase of 25% less annually.  It would be interesting to see the 2009-2015 numbers.

Also, reading through the scientific study is a real hoot.  Go have a blast parsing through the light reading!

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:19 | 6745773 gregga777
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New Science, New Solar Climate Model

I highly recommend that Anthropogenic Global Warming proponents AND skeptics read and understand the following two sets of blog posts, plus another single post, giving detailed information regarding:

• a new solar climate model where a qualified engineer-mathematician models the Earth's climate and response to solar radiation as a top-down "black box" model using a fraction of the lines of code used in conventional "bottoms up" detailed Global Climate Models; and

• a detailed description of what is wrong architecturally with conventional GCM's and the resulting "more useful" climate model architecture.

• the role convection may play in neutralizing greenhouse gases.

Then make up your own mind regarding what to believe.

Detailed blog posts Regarding New Solar climate model:

BIG NEWS Part I: Historic development — New Solar climate model coming
BIG NEWS Part II: For the first time – a mysterious notch filter found in the climate
BIG NEWS Part III: The notch means a delay
BIG NEWS part IV: A huge leap understanding the mysterious 11 year solar delay
BIG NEWS Part V: Escaping heat. The Three pipes theory and the RATS multiplier
BIG NEWS part VI: Building a new solar climate model with the notch filter
BIG NEWS Part VII — Hindcasting with the Solar Model
BIG NEWS VIII: New solar theory predicts imminent global cooling

http://joannenova.com.au/2014/06/big-news-part-i-historic-development-ne...
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/06/big-news-part-ii-for-the-first-time-a-m...
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/06/big-news-part-iii-the-notch-means-a-delay/
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/06/big-news-part-iv-a-huge-leap-understand...
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/06/big-news-part-v-escaping-heat-the-three...
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/06/big-news-part-vi-building-a-new-solar-c...
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/06/big-news-part-vii-hindcasting-with-the-...
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/06/big-news-viii-new-solar-model-predicts-...

Detailed blog posts describing the architectural problems of conventional global climate models and the architectural changes to develop a useful climate model:

New Science 1: Pushing the edge of climate research. Back to the new-old way of doing science
New Science 2: The Conventional Basic Climate Model — the engine of “certain” warming
New Science 3: The Conventional Basic Climate Model — In Full
New Science 4: Error 1: Partial Derivatives
New Science 5: Error 2: Model architecture means all feedbacks work through the surface temperature?
New Science 6: How the Greenhouse Effect Works and “four pipes” to space
New Science 7: Rerouting Feedback in Climate Models
New Science 8: Applying the Stefan-Boltzmann Law to Earth
New Science 9: Error 3: All Radiation Imbalances Treated the Same — The Ground is not the sky!
New Science 10: Whatever controls clouds controls the climate
New Science 11: An Alternative Modeling Strategy
New Science 12: How do we model the thermal inertia of the Earth?
New Science 13: The Start of a New Architecture for Climate Models
New Science 14: Greenhouse Emission Layers — which pipe is the biggest?
New Science 15: Modeling outgoing radiation (OLR)
New Science 16: Building the alternative model and why it solves so many major problems
New Science 17: Solving the mystery of the missing “Hotspot”

http://joannenova.com.au/2015/09/new-science-1-pushing-the-edge-of-clima...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/09/new-science-2-the-conventional-basic-cl...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/09/new-science-3-the-conventional-basic-cl...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/09/new-science-4-error-1-partial-derivatives/
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/09/new-science-5-error-2-model-architectur...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/09/new-science-6-how-the-greenhouse-effect...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/10/new-science-7-rerouting-feedback-in-cli...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/10/new-science-8-applying-the-stefan-boltz...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/10/new-science-9-error-3-all-radiation-imb...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/10/new-science-10-whatever-controls-clouds...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/10/new-science-11-an-alternative-modeling-...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/10/new-science-12-how-do-we-model-the-ther...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/10/new-science-13-the-start-of-a-new-archi...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/10/new-science-14-emission-layers-which-pi...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/10/new-science-15-modeling-outgoing-radiat...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/10/new-science-16-building-the-alternative...
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/11/new-science-17-solving-the-mystery-of-t...

Blog post describing how convection in the atmosphere, which is not addressed in Conventional Global Climate Models, may neutralize the effect of greenhouse gases.

For Discussion: Can convection neutralize the effect of greenhouse gases?
http://joannenova.com.au/2015/10/for-discussion-can-convection-neutraliz...

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:58 | 6746000 BeaverCream
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I don't need to read the koran to know it's all bullshit. (was gonna say 'read the torah' but i'm tired of getting downvoted)

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 20:42 | 6751427 logicalman
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It might not be the choice you make regarding which book you are 'quoting' that gets you down votes.

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:49 | 6745792 Mike Masr
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Remember the 52 members of the Australasian Antarctic Expedition trapped in Antarctica's ice

I thought it was funny as hell when that ship with 52 members of the Australasian Antarctic Expedition was trapped in Antarctica's ice. These were "global warming scientists" going to document Antarctica's warming and thawing. Instead they found colder temperatures, snow and even more ice. So much ice that they became stranded.  The MSM bent over backwards to refer to these people as everything but "global warming scientists." It was hysterical watching this play out day by day on the news. It was humorous wondering if these stranded morons were reading books by Al Gore, or if they were burning them in a bonfire to stay warm.  

It wasn't too long after this embarrasment that global warming whackos / activists began using the term, "climate change" instead of global warming. After all they gotta sell those books and take in all those donations.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-25833307

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:26 | 6745808 1stepcloser
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What about the hole in the ass....sorry meant hole in the Ozone 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:29 | 6745818 Jack Oliver
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HAARP is likely melting the ice in the Arctic - Short wave radio works by reflecting the frequency off the Ionosphere - So someone tell me why the vast HAARP array cannot heat up the Ionosphere and 'reflect' it onto the ice ?? Estimates say that the Arctic holds three times more oil than the ME !

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:30 | 6745829 City_Of_Champyinz
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Wait a minute...I thought the science was settled...

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 20:44 | 6751442 logicalman
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Science is NEVER settled.

You obviously have no clue.

City_of_Chimpanzees

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:34 | 6745857 Jack Oliver
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Polar shift or Policy shift ?? Either way - we are doomed !

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:48 | 6746213 Tzanchan
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I don't know what Hayek or Mises said, but Keynes said thusly: "But this long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead."

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 20:46 | 6751449 logicalman
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You know waht?

We're ALL going to die!

Enjoy the ride, if possible, before the lights go out.

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:40 | 6745887 TheLazyNative
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There's no climate controversy.

The small minority of people who think it's not happening (some of whom are represented here) are products of a deliquent education system that produces innumerate and scarcely intelligible troglodytes who can then do things like vote.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:47 | 6745916 Mike Masr
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In a study of cyclic behavior of the Sun, Russian scientists now predict 100 years of cooling.

These are not just any scientists. This forecast comes from astrophysicist Dr Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the Russian segment of the International Space Station, and head of Space Research of the Sun Sector at the Pulkovo Observatory of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Our planet warms and cools in predictable 200-year cycles corresponding to 200-year variations in the size and luminosity of the Sun, the scientists found. Previous global warmings – of which there have been many – have always been followed by deep cooling.

http://iceagenow.info/2011/11/russian-scientists-predict-100-years-cooling/

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:58 | 6746010 Consuelo
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Quite actually, the same education system you denegrate, is also the same one that produces slavish devotees to your way of thinking as well, so there's that...

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:11 | 6746057 Bazza McKenzie
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It is a pity that education system didn't give you the ability to write a lucid sentence.

Specifically, what is the "it" that "a small minority of people" this is not happening?  Are you referring to the chance in global climate what has occurred as long as the world has existed and before mankind appeared?  Or perhaps to AGW, which has repeatedly failed the basic test of normal science, i.e. predictions that match reality? Or perhaps you are referring to the AGW scam promoted by politicians and bureaucrats who haven't a clue about science by now a means to power and taxation when they see one, and by people who purport to be scientists but hide their "data", sue people who disagree with them, and engorge on government grants that make the military look like pikers?

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 22:18 | 6746990 Faeriedust
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Pity it didn't teach you how to spell, either.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:44 | 6745911 Zorrohodge
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As Christian Science Monitor reports,....... 

 

RIGHT THEN

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:52 | 6745961 loregnum
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The whole global warming thing is this generation's version of the stupid witch hunt crap that took place in the early modern period. 

Humans are such idiots. 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:55 | 6745980 Consuelo
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We must Do Something --- Harrumph...!!

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 17:57 | 6745986 Duc888
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Today on "Yahoo nooz"....I'll just leave this here.....

 

So

Fucking

Stoooopid

http://news.yahoo.com/blowing-wind-stop-cow-burps-warming-earth-06142803...

 

 

 

Ya know what?  What's great about this earth is that all ya have to do is pack up all your shit and move to a climate that suits you.

 

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:03 | 6746026 radical
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I don't have the educational background or professional experience to debate the global warming topic with experts.  However, I've traveled over the years.  When my family went to Alaska, we visited Denali and several glaciers.  As you drive along the road to the glaciers within the National Forest, starting a few miles out from the ice, the National Forest Service has signs on the side of the road as to where the ice was as of a certain year - back to the mid-1800s! 

That was before the automobile age, obviously. So I'm stumped.  How can one branch of the government data verify that ice has been receding since well before auto emissions era while government-funded researchers want to claim that such emissions are the cause? (/sarc)

#Itsbeenmeltingsincethelasticeageduh

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 22:15 | 6746975 Faeriedust
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"Emissions", as you put it, started getting serious WAAYYYYY before autos were invented.  The Industrial Revolution (and copious burning of coal, the dirtiest of all carbonaceous fuels) started around 1700.

 

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 20:55 | 6751493 logicalman
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Your problems begin with believing ANY figures put out by governments.

A complicating factor is that government also largely controls funding for science.

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:13 | 6746062 TheLazyNative
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Click the green arrow if you think that climate change is a big pile of poo.

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 20:58 | 6751507 logicalman
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<--- Looking for the 'none of he above' button.

Your question is likely to skew the results.

A bit like voting for the group you would like to have imposing their will on you.

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:19 | 6746077 Rikky
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When are these people going to get it into their thick heads that The Lord Almighty controls the weather?  My such arrogance and hubris these global warming folks have to think somehow they do.

 

"When He imparted weight to the wind And meted out the waters by measure, When He set a limit for the rain And a course for the thunderbolt, Then He saw it and declared it; He established it and also searched it out. - Job 28:25-27

He causes the vapors to ascend from the ends of the earth; Who makes lightnings for the rain, Who brings forth the wind from His treasuries.  -  Psalm 135:7
Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:40 | 6746174 Tzanchan
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And how gazillion tons has the L-rd added or taken away changed since this shocka of a report almost 8 years old? Flash, Obama seeks Presidency, McCain chooses Palin as VEEP. Film at 11.....

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 22:12 | 6746966 Faeriedust
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Yeah, but the Lord Almighty usually works THROUGH the mechanism known as "natural law", not against it.

OTOH, there are a lot of Lords out there in the Aethyr, and the one that's Almighty today might not be tomorrow (or next millenium, at least, given how slowly things change for the Eternal types).  Anyway.  Most religions have acknowledged at some point that while us mere meehums can't stand in the way of Immortals, it still behooves us to keep our own chunk of space-time tidy and not expect Them to pick up after us.  Mostly because when They decide to do a cleaning fit, it's usually not very salubrious for mere mortals.  Think Sodom, Gomorrah, The Great Flood, etc.  The very LAST thing a sensible human wants, is to attract Divine Irritation.

Oh, and have you ever heard of a Lady some call Gaia?  Trust me, you do NOT want to make Her angry.  Not unless you are absolutely certain you're going straight to Heaven when you die.

 

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 20:59 | 6751510 logicalman
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You have to have forgotten the /sarc tag.

Please tell me you forgot the sarc tag!

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:23 | 6746100 Occams_Chainsaw
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Al Gore was not eaten by a Polar Bear today.

Therefore Polar Bear's don't exist because of global warmin' coolin' climate changin'.

Thus global warmin' coolin' climate changin' is happening.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:32 | 6746136 yellowsub
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The Japanese ice wall does work!

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:44 | 6746160 Sequoia
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Here is 2 more Greenland is packing on an extra 200 billion tons already this year the fastest on record.

The Arctic sea ice had the shortest melt season on record and the largest September and October gains in extent on record.

Also the Arctic sea ice has increased 70% in mass the last few years with massive gains in multi year ice.

Paging Obama on line 1

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:44 | 6746189 bombdog
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The majority of scientists are in agreement on this: The Antarctic is wrong.

The Antarctic has NEVER had an article published in a peer reviewed journal.

The Koch brothers have used their dirty money to place giant snow blowers all over the continent.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 19:11 | 6746307 Fahque Imuhnutjahb
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Did you not see the debate between Antarctica and Australia?

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 19:38 | 6746422 btdt
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missed it, i was outback

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 18:45 | 6746197 DaveA
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This is hardly surprising, considering that there are 9000-year-old tree stumps right down to the shores of the Arctic Ocean, hundreds of miles north of today's tree-line. Which proves that global warm periods can begin and end without human intervention, and do not necessarily cause a rise in sea level.

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 19:51 | 6746458 Falconsixone
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I care.

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 21:02 | 6751527 logicalman
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I tried that.

It's a hard road to travel.

These days I hardly give a shit.

I'll be worm food soon enough.

 

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 20:00 | 6746499 fowlerja
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Jerry Brown...are you listening... go north old man and grab a hunky iceberg and send it down to your golden (actually brown) state and fill up those empty swimming pools...why they may even make you governor again...

Tue, 11/03/2015 - 20:37 | 6746646 smacker
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Blame for climate change being placed on mankind is possibly one of the greatest con-tricks ever perpetrated. War criminal HRH Tony Blair was at the centre of it when he declared 12 years ago "we have 10 years to save the world". Sadly, he is still with us.

Never before have so many groups of so-called "experts", politicians, meterologists, climatologists and other assorted scientists come together to lie, to deceive, to falsify data, to peddle socialist progressive policies and to suck at the taxpayers teet.

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 01:15 | 6747452 onmail1
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Its so simple :

When there is more warming, more evaporation

More evaporation means more water in the atmosphere

More water in atmosphere means more water to the 'water cycle'

That means more water will come down

That means more accumulation in some places.

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It is possible that global warming may trigger an Ice age

Wed, 11/04/2015 - 10:42 | 6748464 DosZap
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Old news, reported LAST year Antartica increased in ice mass the equivalent of 17,000 Rhode Islands.

Hows that for Global Warming.

Talk about an inconvienent truth.

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