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US Officials: ISIS "Likely" Had Bomb On Russian Plane
On Wednesday, IS Sinai released a statement reiterating the contention that the Russian passenger jet which fell out of the sky over the Sinai Peninsula last weekend was “downed” by an act of terrorism. The ISIS “home office” (so to speak) in Raqqa aired a video congratulating their Egyptian “brothers” on the “achievement.”
In the immediate aftermath of the crash, officials attempted to discredit the ISIS video which purported to show the plane exploding in mid-air. While we were quick to note that it’s virtually impossible to verify the video’s authenticity, we also pointed out that if the footage was indeed genuine, someone on the ground knew exactly when to start filming which would certainly seem to suggest that whatever happened to the Russian jet was premeditated.
Whatever one chooses to believe, evidence continues to pile up to support the contention that the plane broke apart in the sky - i.e. that the plane exploded.
For instance, an Egyptian forensics expert noted that the scattering of body parts over an eight kilometer radius seems to prove that there was an explosion of board. Meanwhile the UK on Wednesday suspended flights from Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt after saying that the Russian jet “may well” have been destroyed by an “explosive device.”
That seemed to indicate that Western governments were set to “confirm” ISIS’ contention that a bomb is to blame for the crash.
Now, Western media are reporting that according to US “intelligence”, an ISIS bomb was indeed the cause of the catastrophe that claimed the lives of 224 people last Saturday. Here’s Reuters:
Evidence now suggests that a bomb planted by the Islamic State militant group is the likely cause of last weekend's crash of a Russian airliner over Egypt's Sinai peninsula, U.S. and European security sources said on Wednesday.
Islamic State, which controls swathes of Iraq and Syria and is battling the Egyptian army in the Sinai Peninsula, said again on Wednesday it brought down the airplane, adding it would eventually tell the world how it carried out the attack.
The Airbus A321M crashed on Saturday in the Sinai Peninsula shortly after taking off from the resort of Sharm el-Sheikh on its way to the Russian city of St Petersburg, killing all 224 people on board.
The U.S. and European security sources stressed they had reached no final conclusions about the crash.
And here's more from NBC:
There's significant evidence that a bomb brought down Russia's Metrojet Flight 9268 over the Sinai Peninsula last weekend, U.S. officials told NBC News on Wednesday, saying U.S. investigators are focusing on ISIS operatives or sympathizers as the likely bombers.
Questions have swirled over whether foul play or terrorism may have downed the Metrojet-operated Airbus A321 since it crashed in Egypt on Saturday, killing all 224 people aboard. ISIS's media office in Sinai released an audio message Wednesday reiterating its claim of responsibility. Neither Wednesday's claim nor an earlier one immediately after the crash said how ISIS is supposed to have brought down the plane.
U.S. officials stressed that while they believe it's "likely" that a bomb was on the plane, it's still too early to conclude that for certain. They told NBC News that mechanical failure remains a possibility.
A U.S. official said investigators are looking at the possibility that an explosive device was planted aboard the plane by ground crews, baggage handlers or other ground staff at the Sharm el-Sheikh airport before takeoff. Passengers and the flight crew weren't significantly suspected after intelligence scrub of the passenger manifest and the crew showed no one with suspected ties to any terrorist group, officials said.
Three top officials at the airport, including the head of security, were fired Wednesday after investigators uncovered numerous lax security procedures, officials told NBC News.
So apparently, US officials have more evidence about what happened to this plane than either the Russians or the Egyptians do and Washington is now confident enough to say that ISIS is "likely" responsible.
Needless to say, there are any number of questions that should be asked here, but at least NBC gets one thing right:
A U.S. official told NBC News he expects Russia to retaliate "heavily and militarily" if the theory is borne out.
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I think the administration does know... and it was done at their behest. Better get this war ramped up quick before the market crashes...
ISIS founded and funded by USA. So did Langley know that bombing of Russian passenger jet was coming?
“Boots on the Ground” Inside Syria? The Pentagon Comes to the Rescue of the “Islamic State” (ISIS)http://www.globalresearch.ca/boots-on-the-ground-inside-syria-the-pentag...
No, Langley didn't just know, they planned it.
wackoism.
If Russia proves Langley---use your imagination.
you bet.
and they had the resources to plant the explosive in the plane.
It appears a CIA mole in the ZeroHedge commentary section is seeking to defeat the spread of truth by downvoting every post that suggest the CIA had anything to do with the apparent bombing that they know all about... LOL.
Yeah, because posting on ZH could change the world.
State sponsored Internet sock puppetry is in just about every major power's playbook. Look it up sometime.
already has...
you not aware
Dorothea Binz: Beginning in 1939 Binz began a career as a concentration camp guard eventually rising through the ranks to become deputy chief wards at Ravensbruck and later Buchenwald. Described by the prisoners as “unyielding” Binz was well known to beat, shoot and whip the females in her charge. In one instance of particular brutality she is reported to have chopped a prisoner to death with an axe during a forced labor assignment. While she fled at the close of the war she was caught, tried and on May 2, 1947 executed for her crimes.
Standard Disclaimer: Because posting on ZH reveals some people are very deeply disturbed.
Those junking your posts probably think ZH is like FciaBook or some other huffpost outfit...
"I'm going to junk him, so I can be different just like every body else"
ffs
And the KGB moles here are too numerous to count
Come on Vlad. Only about a hundred miles to Megido from your port in Syria.
If I recall, Iraq 'definitely' had Weapons of Mass Destruction. Enough said.
Yes and they even presented "evidence" to the UN general assembly.
short glass
Nice.
ISIS is USSA. Nuke 'em.
Russia BUK surface to air missles were responsible for the downed Malaysian Airliner. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the intelligence apparatus of The Netherlands and Malaysia would know what happened of the Sinai.
Who told you that a BUK missile system - at least four vehicles and a highly trained 15 man crew - brought down MH-17?
The fudged 'enquiry' concluded nothing and we'll probably never be officially told that a Su-25 brought it down, though that is what happened.
This time there will be a proper enquiry and it won't take over a year for the facts to be revealed.
malaysia was completely shut out of mh17 investigation
so you start as complete ignorant of real facts
Okay. ISIS/ISIL bombed the plane. Who is ISIS/ISIL? Saudi Intelligence, CIA and Mossad! So who does Putin blame?
Exactly. Nailed it.
CIA
very interesting how much the US / UK 'know' and how many 'informed opinions' they have about this incident...
almost like they have insider information...
Defy Israel, Lose An Airliner (six cases):
http://www.tomatobubble.com/id513.html
Boycott Israel, and get an invasion of MENA refugees.
The ol' scum bag, Zbigniew Brzezinski calls the moderate beheaders, "NATO Assets". That says it all for me. As an American I realized some years ago we are on the wrong side of history.
I agree with you. Brzezinski and other plotters have spent decades dragging the U.S. into wars abroad for 'globalist' objectives, and written about their aims extensively. Only the ignorant or apologists continue to ignore the homocidal new Bolsheviks in our midst; the traitors who dismiss the Constitution because it defies their self-proclaimed 'new world order' (their own words for it).
I agree with you. Brzezinski and other plotters have spent decades dragging the U.S. into wars abroad for 'globalist' objectives, and written about their aims extensively. Only the ignorant or apologists continue to ignore the homocidal new Bolsheviks in our midst; the traitors who dismiss the Constitution because it defies their self-proclaimed 'new world order' (their own words for it).
Of course ISIS works directly with the CIA.
I agree. Our CIA was responsible for this.
Whoa, whoa, whoa..what's all this 'Our' shit?
I sincerely doubt the CIA cut ISIS in on this one.
Except for emailing them a video of a plane exploding, along with some lines to read.
For anyone that does real research, it is a well known fact that the CIA and Quataris have been working with Al Nursra, creating, training, and sustaining ISIS since 2011, I REPEAT 2011, to overthrow Assad and push the Quatari pipeline agenda aka Western agenda. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a fucking idiot.
Indeed...always follow the money.
http://english.aawsat.com/2015/11/article55345559/mutiny-within-irans-re...
Tehran and London, Asharq Al-Awsat—A rising death toll within Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps in Syria is leading to a mutiny among some senior commanders, who have refused to obey orders to fight in the war-torn country, according to a source close to the Revolutionary Guard.
The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told Asharq Al-Awsat the commanders, who are also joined by a number of junior officers, have now been referred to a court-marshal on charges of “mutiny and treason.”
Iran, which alongside Russia is Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad’s main international ally, has denied it has combat troops in Syria, claiming it has only sent officers and generals within an advisory capacity to assist both the Syrian army and Hezbollah militias.
The semi-official Fars news agency said on Tuesday some 30 military personnel from the Revolutionary Guard have been killed in Syria in recent weeks, including high-ranking figures such as Col. Mostafa Ezzatollah, Gen. Farshad Hasoonizadeh, and Gen. Hossein Hamedani, who were all killed in Aleppo.
Meanwhile, the source told Asharq Al-Awsat several Revolutionary Guard generals from Ahvaz province, which has a large Iranian–Arab population, have “chosen retirement and pursuing business activities” rather than having to head to Syria.
The Revolutionary Guard court-marshals have now opened an official investigation into the large numbers of suddenly retired generals from the region in what they called “this critical time” for the Revolutionary Guard, according to the source.
The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps is charged with defending the values of Iran’s Islamic Revolution both inside the country and abroad and members must pledge unwavering loyalty to the country’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
The source also said a recent rise in deaths among the much-feared Quds Force—an elite paramilitary unit of the Revolutionary Guard charged with carrying out foreign missions—has led its leadership to begin recruiting higher-ranking officers to fight in Syria.
Iranian opposition publication Rooz Online has reported recently that the Revolutionary Guard have begun utilizing new recruitment initiatives in the Sistan and Baluchistan province, in order to bolster their depleting ranks.
Recruiters are targeting the province’s religious and ethnic minorities—which include Kurds, Baluchs, and Sunni Muslims—as well as the poor, offering the equivalent of 830 dollars for six weeks’ service in Syria following training.
I have a source, who speaks (On condition of anonymity) that told my neighbours, cousin's best friends haidresser's son that Falconflight was a fucking idiot.
Guess I'll just go right ahead and believe him then!
You goatfucking Saudi pedophile. Go fuck your underage cousin.
Nice job quoting a Saudi sponsored "news" source. You should spend more time trying to hire more mercenaries to fight your war in Yemen.
You're all inbred pieces of shit. Enjoy the ass-raping the Yemenis are about to put on you.
"This business will get out of control! It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it!?
https://youtu.be/Emdzsz_XvfA
Always thought he was a damn fine character actor.
RIP.
Let us wait till the investigation is over. As we are all aware, whatever the US officials say, are more than likely lies anyway. And since they are not there investigating (for good purposes since they politicize every fucking thing they do), then their spoken words are a waste of air, waste of brain matter, waste of a lot of stuff.
Highly unlikely ISIS had anything to do with this plane going down. But they, of course, will claim they did it because they want to stir up as much trouble as they can. Unfortunate, but most likely it was a mechanical failure, ruptured fuel line that led to the explosion.
Well.Glad you cleared everything up for us. Tell Putin to go ahead and send his guys home. istt has got this shit covered.
Iranian ethnic cleansing in Syria
http://www.naameshaam.org/report-silent-sectarian-cleansing/
On Wednesday, a St Petersburg newspaper reported that traces of explosives were found on some of the victims on board the downed airliner in Sinai, according to the Russian owned Independent national newspaper in the UK.
On Wednesday, the British government was the first to say the explosion was likely due to a bomb, quickly followed by U.S. officials.
RAF troop transporters are on standby to evacuate some 20,000 Brits from the Egyptian resort to Cyprus, for safe passage back home.
British media also parrot the line that Russia will retaliate 'heavily and militarily'. Interesting how the CIA MOSSAD MI6 armed and trained terrorists with funding from political puppets are being used to advance the Yinon Plan for a Greater Israel, and the neocon/zionist agenda for the Wolfowitz Doctrine, essentially using the USA as a mass murderer for foreign interests, and the war profiteers.
Iranian crimes against humanity apparently didn't just begin in Syria, but that Zionist controlled world wide media has been covering for the Ayatollahs, cause no one knows nothing:
Ethnic Cleansing in full force in Iran Saturday, February 25, 2006 BAFSThe Iranian regime is stepping up its land confiscation programme in order to expand Persian settlements in Al-Ahwaz (Khuzestan), despite condemnation by the UNCHR and European Parliament last year.
The Shahinshahr and Ramin settlements are the focus of a new wave of land confiscations, in addition to the ethnic cleansing being carried out along the Arvand Free Trade Zone along the Shatt Al-Arab.
The regime is encouraging ethnic Persians to settle on the land confiscated from Ahwazi Arab farmers by placing advertisements in Faris-speaking provinces and cities. The adverts promise cheap fully furnished apartments with all amenities, which is in stark contrast to the squalor of the slums and villages where most Ahwazi Arabs reside.
A number of exclusively Persian settlements have already been built on Ahwazi Arab land, including the Ramin-1 and Ramin-2 townships, Shahinshahr, Shirinshar and Jufir. New Persian townships are being constructed on a daily basis. Similar ones are being built daily.
Some of these settlements were highlighted by Miloon Kothari, the UN's Special Rapporteur on Adequate Housing, following a visit to Al-Ahwaz last year (click here for report).
In an interview, Kothari said: "when you visit Ahwaz ... there are thousands of people living with open sewers, no sanitation, no regular access to water, electricity and no gas connections ... why is that? Why have certain groups not benefited? ... Again in Khuzestan, ... we drove outside the city about 20 km and we visited the areas where large development projects are coming up - sugar cane plantations and other projects along the river - and the estimate we received is that between 200,000-250,000 Arab people are being displaced from their villages because of these projects. And the question that comes up in my mind is, why is it that these projects are placed directly on the lands that have been homes for these people for generations? I asked the officials, I asked the people we were with. And there is other land in Khuzestan where projects could have been placed which would have minimised the displacement."
A recent official announcement by the Iranian regime states: "The new company that oversees the new city of Ramin (outside Ahwaz) in accordance with the article 2 of the below law and other laws pertaining to purchase and confiscation of lands for building cities and other military and civilian developments, law # 1358/11/117, issued and approved by the respected revolutionary council, is planning to expand the first phase of the New city of Ramin, and needs take over and possess parts of area of Sanicheh and Jalieah, plaque # 29 and 42 of zone 5 of Ahwaz, in accordance with the attached layout [pictured].
"Therefore, this announcement will be published only twice in one month, for informing the owners of said properties, who must repond within 15 days from the publication of this announcement, with their ownership documents, to this location, for their submittal (relinquishment) of their properties to us. Attend the office of this company located in Kianpars corner of Sixth Street West, 2nd floor.
"If owners do not visit the office, the expropriation and confiscation will continue to take place according to the law."
The land confiscation programme - including the Arvand Free Zone - is in line with the "ethnic restructuring" programme outlined in a top secret letter written by Sayed Mohammad-Ali Abtahi when he served as Iran's Vice-President. The letter was leaked to the international media last year, prompting the April intifada in Al-Ahwaz. (click here to download the letter)
http://www.ahwaziarabs.info/2006/02/ethnic-cleansing-in-full-force-in-ir...
Try to stay on topic. We are talking about the downing of a civilian airliner in a warzone created by terrorists with funding, training and weapons supplied by the CIA, Mossad and Mi6,, allowed by pet politicians wedded to the Yinon Plan and Wolfowitz Doctrine, serving foreign interests, war profiteers and publically declared by all those people if you were paying attention.
It's not human, from what I can tell.
Falconflight is a very dedicated propagandist. He only writes what he's told to write.
Let's see.
Who else has been confiscating land in that neck of the woods?
Don't tell me. Don't tell me.
I know the name.
Oh, God, I can't think of it.
By ISIS you mean Mossad
No, the CIA is hiding behind ISIS's skirts on this one.
Who is front running with conclusions and hypothetical scenarios? Its the US and British media. It is not just our servile media/propaganda outlets but people within the US government and military who are the ones blabbing. This is a basic deflection tactic in any debate. The Russians have hardly said a word in comparison as they are waiting for evidence. The Russian media is reporting on what the Western media is speculating on but nothing else. imho, the front running of this story tells us about the possibilities of who may be involved in the crime and I am waiting for the Bart Simpson defense from Mossad, "I didn't do it".
"US officials". First,this is coming from NBC. Secondly,these goddam officials have a name,and if they were indeed "US Officials", why not use said name? We still have NO "US Officials" commenting on the plane that went down in Ukraine a year ago,but them sumbitches already figured out what happend this past weekend. This entire mess smells of bullshit.
Putin knows their names.
It's odd that Uncle Sam has the satellite technology to almost immediately say "yes we picked up the blast, there was no missile trail, we know it was explosive, small chance a fuel tank detonating" etc....so much to say but nothing helpful on the Ukraine Mayalsian airliner.
I find it interesting the US and its "coalition" partners have been (allegedly) bombing ISIS for months without experiencing any retaliation.
Yet Russia is in there for a month and ISIS takes out an airliner.
Fuel tanks are in the wings of A321s. Don't thing the tail would of come off on its own. Hope the satellite images are not fake.
ISIS "Likely" Had Bomb On Russian Plane
'And we rewarded them with 100 million $ for the brave act of valor'
This thread is upsetting for some. A brief message: zerohedge down for 'maintenance' appeared and disappeared. Then: 'the connection was reset'.
Obama/CIA--maybe stupid enough to be associated with the incident. Isreal--not a chance. They know Russia and Iran are together in Syria and Benni visited Russia and probably received guarantees that Isreal will be sheltered from Irans involvement in the neighborhood. If anything, if it turns out to look like Israel--I would bet it was made to look like like that to Israels detriment---probably payback for the Jerusalem mosque crackdown
Heavily and militarily ? Good. Sooner the better, for all our sakes.
The House of Saud consider it their divine right to rule the Middle East. This won't end until the Russians do what Uncle Sugar should have done in 2001---defeat the House of Saud in battle, slaughter them like the animals they are, and replace them with someone who understands that Arabia's oil wealth could be put to much better uses than making war on people who refuse to accept the savage cult invented by the Arabs in mockery of Judaism, that teaches that Arabs are the chosen people of Allah fated to rule the world---everything Judaism is falsely accused of being and far worse besides.
PS Free Yigal Amir.
sure free Amir.
He did Justice a favor when he shot the Jew bastard Rabin.
Wasn't Rabin IDF Chief of Staff when the honorable Israeli navy tried, and almost succeeded, to sink the USS Liberty? The pig Rabin personally approved every torpedo fired and every round for every machine gun.
No doubt he was complicit in the Israeli sailors' lie that the American flag was limp that day and they were unable to identify the American ship,
Not proudly waving as the survivors of the Liberty's crew testified to.
read for yourselves what really happened
http://www.gtr5.com/commentary/A%20Juridical%20Examination%20of%20the%20...
the wheels of Justice turn slowly but grind exceedingly fine
Yeh, but, but, but.....The Holocaust.
Could there be an actual declaration of war coming from Russia?
I guess it's safe to assume that the meeting between Pooty and Netanyahu this Sept went poorly.
my thoughts are it was a bomb smuggled in with the catering for the plane. a food container was stored in the aft galley. it detonated, blew out the pressure bulkhead, tail broke at repair point, and it was over. ISIS are waiting for their sympathizers to run to Europe as 'refugees' before they make the announcement.
Something about this story stinks. While my guess always was "a bomb planted by ground crew", something about the events in this article bother me.
For example, since ISIS is essentially created, funded, trained, supplied and partially directed by the USSA, why would officials from the USSA promote the theory that "ISIS planted the bomb", and encourage by the suggestion that "Russia will react heavily and militarily"?
What bothers me mostly is what subtext motives the USSA has in this. Something stinks, I just haven't figured it out yet.
Unlike the USA, the Russian people do not go into meltdown when their military take casualties, the west knows this, and the jhiadists certainly know this, ask any Chechen. So they go for the soft option as always, civilian targets, Theaters, Schools, Aircraft. This is about putting a wedge between Putin's Syrian campaign and the Russian people.
It's a risky strategy, any proof of western involvement in this, including support for IS and this could backfire spectacularly in Putins favor
Russians don't like their fellow citizens being bombed out the sky. They need to believe that a war in Syria is in their country's interest. Having 200 civilians killed like this will re-examine their loyalty to Putin and to the Syrian campaign which is not that popular.
It maybe that Saudi Arabia arranged for the bomb to be installed on the plane. Saudi Arabians have shoutest loudest and hardest against Russia in recent weeks. 49 seperate jihads have been called by the Mullahs. Interesting to see where ISIS get there main support. Saudis control and work at the airport. Blaming the west for the behaiour of ISIS on this occasion if true would wrong. ISIS are not that well controlled by their masters like Al-Qaeda.
Perhaps that strategy with ISIS failed and they do not care about them anymore? Or they just did their job (destabilize mid-east) and they assignment is done. Now it's phase #2 - get rid of them and show the World US had nothing to do with them and let Russia bomb them and destabilize the region even more. Eventually someone will start blaming Russia for that mess, killing civilians, etc...
The statements are made to keep ISIS 'valid' 'inter alia' as an independant organisation that the US 'cough cough' has NO control over !
Not confusing IMO. This is the US way of impatiently delivering what they think should be Russia's lines, for them. It is also an attempt to dampen Putin's accusations about the US sponsoring ISIS... after all, would the US implicate themselves by blaming russia?? It is for home consumption to battle the growing awareness of the US population that what is indeed fishy is the whole US war on terror in the first place.
Never hire an Israeli security firm. It might blow up in your face.
If it was a baggage handler/food delivery person or whomever, I'd guess their life expectancy is about... probably already dead. Dead men don't narc on their handlers.
Maybe Russia could nuke the capital(s), while the leader(s) is(are) still at home, of the country(ies) responsible? That works for me. Two countries come to mind; A big bully and a little parasite (usury)bully, joined at the hip.
Putin is not a mad dog, I think he would focus on surgically assasinating the relevant zionist planners and their shabbas goyim, not entire populations and ultimately the rest of the world including Russia. Plutonium anyone?
shouldn't the blame for the bomb coming on board belong to Russian security
I mean, they are at war, yet a large plane full of Russians flies from a ME location and somebody plants a bomb on the plane
Somebody in Russia is responsible for this blunder and lack of security
yet at this site somehow Russia is always innocent
big joke
The bomb said "hecho en Langley"?
I don't think we should expect any hasty reaction from Russia. They will punish the perps, of course, but in their own sweet time.
What if Russian submarines in the Atlantic ocean start shooting down all trans-atlantic British Airways flights . It will be like the German U-Boats sinking British merchant ships in WW2.
bull shit
No, ISIS did NOT have a bomb on the plane. The Russians are far too good at security to let that happen. Even in Egypt, they made sure everything that got on that plane was checked very well.
And, of course, those checks didn't find anything. Because the bomb that blew up the plane was put IN (not on) it in a Moscow hanger, 'installed' in some hidey-hole in the tail when the plane was undergoing routene maintenance. Because Putin's stooges put it there. All that happened in Cairo was the arming of the thing by remote radio signal, to be detonated by a pressure-activated timer.
Or do you really think some rag-heads were smart enough to locate the plane with a really good telescopy and track it well enough to get the pictures of the detonation? Of course not. The video was made by the Russians and released under the ISIS name
It's called a False Flag operation. You know, just like our government pulled off in the World Trade Center towers. And for the same reason: Get the moral high ground so you can go to war without any internal opposition.
Private Dick, have you even been to Sharm? The airport security there is pretty much non-existent. It's an airport that serves charter and tourist planes run by Egyptian security running around in flip flops and suits that look like they sleep in them. Take your bad English somewhere else.
Of course you have explained al this to the completely clueless investigatory team, and have presented your evidence to back it up, right?
He presented it, along with the roach of the doobie he was smoking, to the proper authorities, Vic.
Don't be dubious about his doobie.
@samspade. a few people have spoken about this extra sophisticated telescopy camera work. i live in rural Spain a couple of hundred km or so southwest of Madrid. We are under a flight path that sees a couple of planes an hour go over at cruising altitude of 35 000 feet. The aircraft is in sight - in the clear, sunny sky- at least five minutes before and after it goes overhead. If I was warned that having taken off - a bomb would go off after 30 mins - ie when over me - it would be safe to say I could easily track it on a €50 camcorder.
Interesting theory but would rather strongly go against Putin's Nationalist love for mother Russia.
IMO the only thing you have right is an altitude sensor being used as the trigger. Russia didn't need a false flag to Attack ISIS... they are already doing it LOL... at the invitation of Syria's legal ruler, unlike the US.
How sophisticated would it have to be?? and I hate to inform you, but some of those "Towel Heads" are probably a lot smarter than YOU, LOL. Bigoted tunnel vision led you to the wrong conclusion... IMVHO.
Putin using it's controlled media spread view that it could not be ISIS fault - that is was some tehnical issue. How can it be? Did Putin lied to me and other russians? I can't believe that! Putin would never ever lie. No! No! No! This can't be happening!!! aaaaa Putin! Why? Why?!
I know why, bird brain, and get fucked if you think I'm going to tell you.
First let me say isn't it as cute as pie how our very own Negro and his English and ISIS vassals took over the investigation of the downing of a Russian plane from the Russians and Egyptians?
What's up with that? Well, now the American Propaganda Mill gets to grind out all the rumored info to anxious American couch potatoes and Fox News mavens.
By tomorrow there won't be a person on the planet who doesn't know for an absolute fact that ISIS fashioned the bomb and planted it.
1 + 1 + 1 = 3
America says ISIS did it. England says ISIS did it. ISIS says ISIS did it. So obviously ISIS didn't do it.
ISIS is four I S I S
Three is CIA C I A
So if ISIS didn't do it, then CIA did. And the US CIA was not about to take the beheading sand rats and mumbling motormouths of ISIS into their confidence concerning blowing up a passenger plane.
R U daft
"US Sources Say" Bwa Ha Ha Ha, same sources they used to blame Russia for MH17, or is it the same sources they used to blame Assad for using chemical weapons.
Give me a fkn break.
Iranians can't help a fuck for us! Putin where have you involved our country? Why? Why? We will only loose more lives because of this! Leave that bloody gas money alone!
Iran’s elite Rev Guards units routed by ISIS in the Al Safira pre-battle for Aleppo
The battle for Al-Safira, 20 km. south of Aleppo - and the key to its capture - will go down in Iran’s Revolutionary history as the most humiliating defeat its elite forces have sustained in all its 36 years. This week, Iran sent into battle outside its borders 2,000 of its best-trained, loyal and well-equipped combat troops, detached from six elite Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) units.The battle at Al-Safira, fought with Russian air cover alongside Hizballah and Syrian army forces, was supposed to be the turning point in the Syrian civil war. Its objective was to break through Islamic State and Nusra Front defense lines around Al-Safira, and knock over the positions the Islamists had erected for blocking the roads from Aleppo and central Syria to Damascus, among them Route 5, the main highway. After that, they planned to advance on Aleppo.
Their offensive had the opposite result.
Fighters from ISIS and the Nusra Front stopped the Iranian and Syrian troops in their tracks and forced them to abandon the sections they held along the main transportation routes leading to Aleppo. So not only did the Iranian-led army fail to clear the way to this key city, but they were driven back by ISIS fighters, who took control of the 20-kilometer route from Al-Safira to Aleppo. The day ended with the jihadis in position to tighten the siege on both cities.
On Thursday, Oct. 29, ISIS followed up on its victory by seizing control of the eastern neighborhoods of Al-Safira and advancing towards the center of the city.
The losses sustained by the IRGC, which spearheaded the ground attack, were heavy, mostly in the fighting in the rural area south of Aleppo.
How could this happen to Tehran’s supposedly formidable forces?
Iran’s death toll in the battle for Aleppo may never be known, but the numbers of officers and enlisted men who died was so high and the shock effect so extreme that IRGC Deputy Commander, Gen. Hossein Salami had to call a live news conference on Iran’s state-run television Wednesday, Oct. 28, to explain why his country came to be involved in the Syrian war.
He depicted Syria as “the front line in the battle against Western forces, particularly the US… which is seeking to implement a destructive plan in the Arab world.” He then argued: “Had Iran not intervened, the chaos would have spread into Lebanon, Iraq and elsewhere.”
But debkafile’s military sources point out that this explanation offered no answer to the main question troubling Iran’s leaders and the IRGC command: On what grounds can they continue to boast that Iran’s army is capable of destroying the US military within 10 days, and the IDF in one day, when Iran’s special forces, armored corps, urban warfare units and airborne brigades, backed by the Russian air force, not only failed to rout ISIS forces, but were humiliated into retreating from their strategic positions amid heavy losses?
debkafile has obtained the list of the six elite Iranian brigades which sent units to the Al-Safira battle for Aleppo:
The Saberin brigade, a Special Operations unit established in 1992 to fight Kurdish and Arab guerillas with separatist aspirations. Most of its fighters are from Tehran,
The Fatemyoun brigade, consisting entirely of Afghan Shiites. Their regular duty was to guard the Tomb of Zeynab, a Shiite shrine in the suburbs of Damascus. But a month ago, the IRGC expanded the brigade to division strength of 15,000 fighters for front-line combat in Syria and Iraq.
Brigade 15 - or the Emam Hassan Mojtaba Brigade. Made up of fighters from central Iran, the brigade specializes in guerilla and urban warfare.
Independent brigade 83, or the Emam Jaafar Saydeq Brigade. This is an airborne unit whose fighters are rated as the toughest, most merciless and religiously motivated of all IRGC contingents. Not surprisingly, they come from Qom province, whose center, the city of Qom, houses Iran’s clerical establishment and is the most important Shiite site after the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala in Iraq.
Brigade 33, or the Al-Mahdi Brigade. This is another airborne unit with extensive experience in guerrilla warfare, which is based in the city of Jahrom.
The Ahwaz Armored Brigade, or the Hazrat-Hojjat Brigade. Its fighters come from the largely Arab-speaking and constantly restive province of Khuzestan in southeastern Iran. The brigade was upgraded recently with advanced weapons systems for fighting in Syria, Iraq, or any other neighboring country.
The six Revolutionary Guards brigades were held up proudly as Iran’s finest fighting units, the invincible bulwark of the revolutionary Islamic regime in Tehran against the mightiest of its enemies. The vast gap between their performance and the ayatollahs’ fiery rhetoric is bound to redound on the authorities in Tehran which sent them into battle.
Propaganda a poppin' Come own down ya'll. You'll be squealin' at the dealin'. Yeee-Hawww !
As an Israeli operation, debkafile clearly has no skin in this fight, or bit of propaganda.
Anyone seen this somewhere else? Or is it just like their announcement of the Chinese carrier on the way?
you want some cheese with your whine?
all is lost...blah blah blah cos that so honest site...
better move ass behind the urals faster.....
'A U.S. official told NBC News he expects Russia to retaliate "heavily and militarily" if the theory is borne out'
Not necessarily. Putin is more rational than that. But, whatever military actions Russia takes over the next few weeks will likely be called 'retaliation' and plenty more are coming.
The ISIS Saudi paymasters should be buying bomb shelters and stocking up on baked beans, this one's coming back to your front door - the House of Saud will burn now, this is one act too far.
CIA/Mossad
You tax dollars hard at work.
If ISIS did in fact bring down the plane that means the US/Israel brought down the plane by giving ISIS direct covert assistace but leaving deniability in place. To teach Russia a lesson for moving into Syria. Too preposterous? Like how the Liberty and 911 was preposterous? Putin is now doing his usual due diligence to be sure of causes, and this thing bears the marks of phychopathic Zionist thinking, then it is either some kind of run up to WWIII or we will see strategically positioned Zionist "planners" losing their lives under mysterious circumstances. Obviously the latter outcome is more desirable.
I$I$...terror you can believe in and the last gasp of the Saudi Mercan dollah before USSA goes the way of all failed Third World police state bananas repub licks.
The reason for the intervention by the UK and USA is because the experts from Russia and the experts from Egypt are creating seperate theories as the reason for the crash. Egypt is more concerned about the Egyptian tourist industry claiming it definately was not a terrorist attack and Russia not so sure.
Egyptian Tourism Minister shitting himself.
http://sputniknews.com/world/20151105/1029625325/egyptian-tourism-minist...
British FCO pulling all Brits out of Sharm (bout fucking time)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/emergency-sharm-el-sheikh-flights-6...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/04/sharm-el-sheikh-shutdown-af...
Ensure you book your Bournemouth or Bridlington holiday early....English beaches are gonna be very busy next year
Thought you were more the Blackpool type.
"British FCO pulling all Brits out of Sharm (bout fucking time)"
moving them out of sharm's way!
The FCO is just trying to distance itself from the terrorists it (MI6) helped to create, train and fund.
Putin has the patience of a saint. If it 'twas me, I'd have turned Israhell into molten glass a long long time ago.
the less power a group or individual has, the more patience is needed. even if you hate Israel that much, and even disregarding the simple madness of turning any country into molten glass, a strange fantasy in any way, consider this:
the most influential forces around Israel... aren't there. so you are actually suggesting to destroy the wasps' nest... while the biggest wasps would left intact to take revenge. is that smart?
if Putin has patience, we Europeans have three times that, then we have to be patient with more actors
Once Russia knows what happened (I suspect they already do) Vlad will drag out the investigation and let the western goverments and media 'sweat' - at the same time preparing an adequate response after consultation with China and Iran - One thing is certain,he will not LIE to his people - He will inform them why they are under attack and by whom !
Bullshit-it was likely the US/Israefuck
As always with terrorists, we now know that many of them have Made In USA, Made In Israel or Made In Saudi stamped on their butts.
As I have long suspected, it was probably caused by a bomb on board.
If the crew and passenger lists have been scrubbed clean for terrorism links (though this is never 100% certain), it looks like the bomb was put on board by ground crew or baggage handlers. Lots of people have access to an airplane on the tarmac.
On the other hand, it may be possible at Sharm el-Sheikh to load a piece of checked in luggage without its owner ever boarding.
That's not supposed to be allowed but it's a rule frequently and quietly breached even at London's LHR and other Western airports, especially when a passenger travels to one place and his luggage goes somewhere else. When the airline returns his luggage to his correct destination, it must mean that it travels there without its owner.
IF it was a bomb & likely it was - then it follows that if placed by ISIS or similar it is equally likely they were helped/facilitated by the US CIA a/holes. That makes sense?
No. A couple of US twenties to some kid at the airport got the bag onboard. It's usually the simplest explanation, not some elaborate conspiracy. Plus this is Mohamed and Akmed being talked about here, not exactly the sharpest tools in the shed.
Yep. Since Washington, CIA and their allies are now exposed as prime sponsors of terrorism, they were likely aware of or involved in this bomb attack against Russia. In just the same way as the CIA was involved in the shooting down of MH-17.
I've been thinking for a long time that the CIA is completely out of control. And its British counterpart, MI6.
Breakfast in London,dinner in NYC,luggage in Hong Kong,
Exactly.
I recall Kelvin McKenzie (ex editor of The Sun) saying a while back that when he booked in with BA at LHR one day, the girl asked: "where are you going to, Sir?" His reply: "I'm going to Rome, where's my luggage going?"
In other news, US defence chief visits Aircrft carrier in South China Sea.
Stoking the flames of war with China and Russia simultaneously.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-defence-chief-visits-airc...
Just make a list of 224 neocons to have 'accidents' in the next 6 months and get to work. I am sure the world will be better place after... a few names come to mind
How about a nuke in this Raqqa shithole? Too much?
All we know from this article is what the mass murdering criminals who call themselves US government want the feeble minded to believe. Those who are truly intelligent will go on to ask, "why do they want people to believe this?"
An investigation like this will likely take at least a month or two before enough evidence has been collected and analyzed to put enough of the pieces of the puzzle together for a glimpse of the truth to emerge. Those who are running with USSA PRopoganda simply have an agenda, which is very likely to have no relationship with whatever happened, beyond possibly trying to hide or distract from it.
Meanwhile, its time for a great movie. Remember, remember, the 5th of November, the gunpowder treason and plot. I know of no reason that the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot... There is something terribly wrong with this country isn't there? Here are a couple of great scenes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKvvOFIHs4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqRgwoe668M
Of course U.S. intelligence would say/know that since they put the bomb on the plane.
Seems like war is on the horizon.
Many would be happy to see a reduction in production capacity.
Stimulates the economy and provides cover for fed screw-ups.
Well.. as they said always "revenge"? Better be served cold.
I don't buy american propaganda machines anyway. I still think that break ups caused by poor maintenance.
But... speaking of "sending (warning) signal"? Right after the news US wants to put more of its troops in Eastern EU? I read this news.
http://russianforces.org/blog/2015/10/russia_tests_command_and_contr.shtml
Now, Russia does conduct this test regularly. The signicance of this year test is, it includes assets than aren't strategic, in value.
Why that test is something to pay attention to? It simulates sending the NUCLEAR LAUNCH COMMANDS over anything that Russian communication network has. This mean VLF up to Satellites transmitters + laser + perimeter "dead hand" system.
This "exercise" is testing the Russian nuclear chain commands to their their capability in sending in the hostile environments (jamming, EMP, heavy bombardments). If they said ALL their command& control (C&C). Then it must included this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Hand_%28nuclear_war%29
https://www.rt.com/news/236573-russia-repel-nuclear-strike/
RT-video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVO2vvqWQIs
This thing is AUTOMATIC first, CAN NOT BE OVERIDE BY HUMANS second. Once of the methods it employed send rockets in depressed trajectory, deployed several small satellites over russian territories and sen command to launch and/or detonates any nuke stockpiles that don't have rocket launcher. There are no rule about detonating your OWN NUKES, inside YOUR OWN BACKYARD (not even START treaty mention about that). So basically, i'm dead? So are you, kind of device.
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And i see the military mouth of US start noticing this,
http://freebeacon.com/national-security/russia-building-nuclear-armed-dr...
(the drawing is americans GUESTIMATES. Not even the russian military blogger/forums has the real photo).
The best article about this "experimental" thing? is this:
http://militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-746.html
(Use google translate to read)
The "thing"? is realesed by that "sarov" submarines front bow opening (see the sarov submarine front photo)?
What curious is? After translating, at the bottom of that russian article? It said this:
"2013 May 21 - "The News" reported that, in late May - June 2013 in the White Sea on board the submarine B-90 "Sarov" pass the test of the missile system "Skif" with underwater launch ballistic missile.
So.. Russia know have underwater autonomous submarines weapons now? Equipped with nukes missile??
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And why the Russian forces "leaked" this just at the right time when that yu-ass so eager to moves its troops to Eastern europe??
The wrreckage will have explosive residue on it..easy to find if it is there...
If true, since ISIS is a CIA mercenary army (with tennis shoes, black masks and a green screen), in essence the CIA planted a bomb on the Russian plane.
Here is the catch, though: the CIA is not representative of the US government. It represents itself and other interests AND the US government is not representative of the US people. It represents itself and other interests.
Maybe with this understanding, the collateral damage can be limited.
Nothing else really matters at this point.
The U.S. has come out with nothing less than the incredible admission and said that "yes" it probably was a bomb delivered by ISIS our "proxy" sooo.... Russia!.... Show me what ya got!!!!
To that we ask Mr. Putin time to huddle the masses in front of the Kremlin for the most important speech you will ever deliver telling them we certainly didn't ask for this... counting the ways... Sinking of the Kursk... Pristina... Belsan... South Ossetia... Volgograd... Ukraine w/ heavy economic sanction(s)... and now a friend of a half Century in need as a segue to the history of the Western banker in your collective neighborhood since 1991 and that the "Hotel" is now officially closed for business...
You tell them we are bringing our "foot soldiers" and emissaries home from the Capitals of the United States, U.K., Saudi Arabia and Israel and expelling there's from our Capital.
U.S.A. UNTIL WE MEET... End of story!!!!
Forget "ISIS". A far superior analysis is available on Gordon Duff's blog, beginning with...
"A source with Russian intelligence just confirmed that the Russian government will not announce its preliminary findings on the A321 crash in Sinai.
However, their intelligence solidly names Saudi Arabia as responsible for the bombing which killed 244. Egyptian intelligence was fully complicit in the terror attack. The sources stated:
“Half the Egyptians work for Israel, the other half for Saudi Arabia anyway, Egypt has no security services, only paid foreign spies.”
Sources in Moscow say there no doubts whatsoever.
Would the Saudis attempt something like this in Israel’s backyard without involving them somehow? What do you think? Would they do it without the US knowing, when we have guaranteed to protect their security? Inquiring minds would like to know."
Good write up Pmf per your usual. ...
To my point who actually "carried it out" among the unholy covenant at this point is irrelevant.
If Obama wants to defuse this situation and make an announcement as to who actually perpetrated the crime and that the U.S. wants nothing to do with it or any affiliation to it, he wouldn't be sending special ops and have fighters and attack jets at the ready now would he?...
Fact of the matter is the "White Chimp" or should I say (his handlers) have an inflated opinion of who they are there purpose and how harmful their steps have been prior to the downing of Metrojet flt 9268!....
In short . We're all living in the padded cell now if we allow this kind of leadership to continue without showing our anger in Washington!
do hope the cia didn't give ISIS C4 for the bomb
On Russian news, they had a show where htey were comparing the rear portion breaking apart on two other flights in the similar manner as the planes scraped the rear end on takeoff some # of years prior. Which according to them, ages the metal faster.
The one they were probably comparing it to was a Boeing jet that had scraped it's tail, damaged the very critical, rear hemispherical pressure bulkhead which was then repaired, incorrectly, by a Boeing repair crew. That accident was detailed on the excellent series, Air Disasters on NGTV.
However, the Russian government is simply trying to hide the fact from their people that this bombing event was a reaction to their Syrian military efforts and that the extremely bad guys have managed to pull one off against their "great leader," an ex-KGB thug who stole $70 billion of their public assets during the breakup of the Soviet Union and who would have Polonium-210 put in your soup if he didn't like you.
Since there aren't many Russian personnel on the ground in Syria, even if there are many Russians still alive with bad memories of their Afghanistan fiasco, I don't see this bombing leading to any kind of reaction from the Russian public questioning the Syrian effort, but it does take the Putin invincibility image down more than a few notches. Thus, the Russian "it wasn't a bomb" TV programming.
WS
Be careful of who you call a "thug" in the clandestine realm!...
As I recall... didn't the U.S. have one of those that became President and was a known pedophile that worked for a clandestine agency in the United States that is now in-famous for that NWO remark after bombing the Iraq military to toal decimation based on "the lie" and then implementing a slow march of genocide with the "oil for food" embargo on it before "Junior" finished the job in 2003 based on that other lie...
I think from the looks of it, it's time to take off the sunglasses and see it for what it is from the perspective of that "ex-KGB" thug!... Nothing more nothing less than self-preservation!!!
c'mon pooty, take out some el al flight out of ben gurion full of new york israelis. that would get their attention.
"A U.S. official told NBC News he expects Russia to retaliate "heavily and militarily" if the theory is borne out."
Because they have been holding back until now? Right.
MH17: the plane came from Schiphol Airport, Amsterdam, where a Dutch-Israeli firm runs security services, that was founded by former Israeli secret service members. The airport is also a weapons transit point from the US to Israel.
(In 2009-10 the Dutch-Israeli firm came under scrutiny for allowing the "Underwear Bomber" onto the plane to Detroit on Christmas Day, 2009. It' been linked to Al-Qaeda, but I guess we all know where that's coming form, who runs that.
On 9/11, the firm's US subsidiary was part of the security at Boston Logan Airport where two of the four hijacked planes came from.)
There was a NATO exercise going on on the Black Sea prior to July 17. (It ended earlier on the day on 17th according to a Reuters report.)
Russian plane: the plane came from Sharm el-Sheikh Airport, which was originally an Israeli Air Force base.
In Israel, there was an international air force excercise going on. (It ended Nov. 3 according to Times of Israel articles.)
The plane crashed not too far from the Israeli border.
Theory: based on the involvement with the airports, bombs were planted on the planes. Based on that there were military exercises going on nearby, the bombs may have been activated remotely from fighter jets flying nearby. (The Russians said their radar showed a SU-25. Interestingly enough, the Ukrainian civil and military primary radars were not operational at the time, as per p. 38 of the official report from the Dutch, they used secondary surveillance radar data.)
Although that they're now coming out with explanations about a bomb and even with satellite findings, makes it a bit suspicious. Maybe they're just wanting to get away with it with the ISIS story and with overwhelming propaganda based on that. Or maybe it's a cover-up and the planes were shot down by fighter jets (with radar homing missiles). (Or were involved somehow to set off the bombs, as theorized above. In either case, it would show of course that some in someone's military are conducting terrorism.)
One thing of note: Saudis
In past couple of months BBC reports Saudi ambassodor in India had sex slaves from Nepal, member of Saudi royal family is caught in sex scandal in California, another caught in Lebanon smuggling huge amount of drugs. Then Saudi king called Putin.
Pressure was being put on Saudis by Russians and maybe also some other party independent from Russians.
Of course the USSA knows who bombed that plane. Terrorists given Intel and bombs from the CIA. See VT on this score.