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CIA, Saudis To Give "Select" Syrian Militants Weapons Capable Of Downing Commercial Airliners
Wednesday brought a veritable smorgasbord of “new” information about the Russian passenger jet which fell out of the sky above the Sinai Peninsula last weekend.
First there was an audio recording from ISIS’ Egyptian affiliate reiterating that they did indeed “down” the plane. Next, the ISIS home office in Raqqa (or Langley or Hollywood) released a video of five guys sitting in the front yard congratulating their Egyptian “brothers” on the accomplishment.
Then the UK grounded air traffic from Sharm el-Sheikh noting that the plane “may well” have had an “explosive device” on board.
Finally, US media lit up with reports that according to American “intelligence” sources, ISIS was probably responsible for the crash.
Over the course of the investigation, one question that’s continually come up is whether militants could have shot the plane down. Generally speaking, the contention that ISIS (or at least IS Sinai) has the technology and/or the expertise to shoot down a passenger jet flying at 31,000 feet has been discredited by “experts” and infrared satellite imagery.
But that’s nothing the CIA can’t fix.
With the Pentagon now set to deploy US ground troops to Syria (and indeed they may already be there, operating near Latakia no less), Washington is reportedly bolstering the supply lines to “moderate” anti-regime forces at the urging of (guess who) the Saudis and Erdogan.
Incredibly, some of the weapons being passed out may be shoulder-fire man-portable air-defense systems, or Manpads, capable of hitting civilian aircraft.
But don’t worry, those will only be given to “select rebels.” Here’s more from WSJ:
The U.S. and its regional allies agreed to increase shipments of weapons and other supplies to help moderate Syrian rebels hold their ground and challenge the intervention of Russia and Iran on behalf of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, U.S. officials and their counterparts in the region said.
The deliveries from the Central Intelligence Agency, Saudi Arabia and other allied spy services deepen the fight between the forces battling in Syria, despite President Barack Obama’s public pledge to not let the conflict become a U.S.-Russia proxy war.
Saudi officials not only pushed for the White House to keep the arms pipeline open, but also warned the administration against backing away from a longstanding demand that Mr. Assad must leave office.
In the past month of intensifying Russian airstrikes, the CIA and its partners have increased the flow of military supplies to rebels in northern Syria, including of U.S.-made TOW antitank missiles, these officials said. Those supplies will continue to increase in coming weeks, replenishing stocks depleted by the regime’s expanded military offensive.
An Obama administration official said the military pressure is needed to push Mr. Assad from power.
“Assad is not going to feel any pressure to make concessions if there is no viable opposition that has the capacity, through the support of its partners, to put pressure on his regime,” the official said.
In addition to the arms the U.S. has agreed to provide, Saudi and Turkish officials have renewed talks with their American counterparts about allowing limited supplies of shoulder-fire man-portable air-defense systems, or Manpads, to select rebels. Those weapons could help target regime aircraft, in particular those responsible for dropping barrel bombs, and could also help keep Russian air power at bay, the officials said.
Mr. Obama has long rebuffed such proposals, citing the risk to civilian aircraft and fears they could end up in the hands of terrorists. To reduce those dangers, U.S. allies have proposed retrofitting the equipment to add so-called kill switches and specialized software that would prevent the operator from using the weapon outside a designated area, said officials in the region briefed on the option.
U.S. intelligence agencies are concerned that a few older Manpads may already have been smuggled into Syria through supply channels the CIA doesn’t control.
If that sounds insane to you, that’s because it is. Even as US intelligence (which we can only assume emanates from the CIA) indicates that IS Sinai likely brought down a Russian passenger jet with 224 people on board, the same CIA is working with the Saudis to supply “select rebels” with weapons capable of shooting down commercial airliners.
In order to make sure no one ends up blowing a 747 out of the sky, Washington will “retrofit” the weapons with “special” software that makes sure they can only be used in certain areas.
Make no mistake, this has gone beyond absurd and is now bordering on the bizarre. It’s apparently not enough that the US is supplying anti-tank missiles to rebels shooting at the very same Iran-backed militias that the US implicitly supports across the border in Iraq so now, the CIA and Saudi Arabia will give these rebels the firepower to shoot down planes, meaning that in the “best” case scenario they’ll be firing at Russian fighter jets, and in the worst case scenario these weapons will end up in the “wrong” hands and be used to down commercial flights.
It's difficult to see how John Kerry can attend "peace" talks in Vienna and keep a straight face while chatting with Sergei Lavrov. That's not to say that Russia bears no responsibility for its role in the conflict (sure, Moscow is supporting a "legitimate" government in Syria but they're still dropping bombs on populated areas), but the US and the Saudis are arming Sunni extremist groups and encouraging them to shoot at Russian and Iranian forces. For Obama to suggest this isn't a proxy war is absurd.
Putting this all together, it now appears possible that the US is, i) sending anti-tank weapons to rebels who are shooting at Iranian soldiers, ii) embedding ground troops near Latakia which means they'll almost certainly be engaging Hezbollah directly, and iii) passing weapons capable of downing a commercial airliner to "select" militants days after a Russian passenger jet exploded in the skies above the Sinai Peninsula.
This is all in conjunction with the Saudis and Erodgan, who just rigged an election in Turkey on the way to rewriting his country's constitution.
And the Western media reports this with a straight face as though it all makes some measure of sense...
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Satan is everywhere. It is what makes him so effective.
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Lotsand lots of "good" men doing nothing.
Haven't got a religious bone in my body.....but I'm beginning to think you might ne right.
you don't need to become religious, just to note that theological consensus is that evil is everywhere, in actions and inactions, in thoughts, desires and human weakness
religion, whatever one you pick, "contains traces of wisdom"
Traces of wisdom as well as heaps of idiocy.
A reasonable human does not need religion to know right from wrong. Pure logic will dictate that also.
and lots of fear-mongering totalitarianism
''ON SEPTEMBER 11 1941, the American hero, Charles Lindbergh, gave his famous Speech which urged Americans to remain against American intervention of the European war:
“The Jews are one of the principal forces attempting to lead the U.S. into the war. The Jews’ greatest danger to this country lies in their large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio, and our Government. I am saying that the leaders of the Jewish race wish to involve us in the war for reasons that are not American.” Here.''
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=40
Brother Nathaniel comes up with some zingers every now and then.
On the whole, he is absolutely right.
What I don't like is that many Jews are not of the Zionist stripe. There are Jews in RedShieldistan who until recently would not serve in the army. Others say the current state of Israelistan should not even exist and violates the Torah. Of course, the Zionists use the Talmud more as their Book.
That's where these guys like Lindbergh went astray. They should have denounced Zionism, not "Jews."
So, remember, you must use Zionism when relaying information, since that identifies the criminals correctly.
May be true but the Talmud , with it's hatred of Christianity and humanity -predated the Khazzar empire and Zionism.
ah a quote from Cardinal Richelieu. +1
an ass-kickin man of the cloth if there ever was one. lol
"Good" Men who do nothing in the face of Evil .. are anything but good
No. Satan is sitting in a silo waiting for the US to really overstep the boundary. Satan has many brothers too.
"In order to make sure no one ends up blowing a 747 out of the sky, Washington will “retrofit” the weapons with “special” software that makes sure they can only be used in certain areas. "
LOL, that "special software" can be changed.
The CIA has bungled so many times. This will be a huge mistake.
It can work. They can contract with Volkswagen for the software. The missiles will only take down planes when the regulators are not testing.
yes no more complicated than unlocking your moblie phone. I think it would be prudent policy to stay out of commercial airliners or any plane under 10K ft for a few years after this ends. These things will be sold and traded just like the equipment of the 5 troops or left behind in a retreat/defeat bringing serious dinero .Could end up anywhere at any time, Brilliant checker move you idiots.
I think Google has an APP for that.
A handheld GPS simulator (test equipment) might suffice (if it's GPS based). Hopefully it's not that easy........
To give or already gave?
Who is world's leading terrorist nation?
If Putin were handing out such weapons to terrorists, the entire free and fair press of the West would be enraged.
But it is fine and dandy when the Nobel Prize Winner does it.
The problem with two-edged swords is that they swing both ways.
Heaven forbid that a US-made MANPADs swing against US airliners. "Chickens coming home to roost" or "As you sow, so you reap" comes to mind.
Imagine the impact on flying and its impact on the economy. It would give the term Booming Economy a whole new and dark meaning.
How many airliners downed over US skies would it take to make the US economy take a shit, and with it, its war machine?
One problem with the neocons is they don't care one bit about the well being of the US since they are Zionist Jews first and foremost {and most American Jews are NOT "neocons" but neoconservatism was and is a right wing, proxy Zionist Weltanschauung.
The second problem is they are, stupid. It's brazen offense, all forward momentum, balls exposed.
Sooner or later, an opponent, even one concerned with redirecting, with minimizing violence, must eventually sweep the leg, recognizing the need for a finishing move.
What could possibly go wrong?
They forget how to use them, cut off their beardy beards, and run.
I'm long fake beards.
It should be open season on the CIA... haven't these people earned the death penalty by now - millions of times over... and CIA = USA same thing...
Fly the friendly skies.
Retrofit commercial airliners with flare canisters and defensive radar. A lot of pilots are ex-air forces of various countries. Not too much of a learning curve.
They're still vulnerable right after Takeoff or on Final Approach.
I love its [sarc] how Americans are conditioned to think that every problem can be solved, if you throw enough money or tech at it -- w/o having to fear Unintented Consequences.
But what do you expect from a culture that has very 2D myths and heroes, and pathologically perpetuates the Myth of The Lone Hero 1,2?
[1] http://www.amazon.com/Myth-American-Superhero-Shelton-Lawrence/dp/0802825737
[2] http://www.amazon.com/Thousand-Faces-Collected-Joseph-Campbell/dp/1577315936
or anti-depresants
Govt goes full retard.............Does anyone still think that voting will change anything?
"Govt goes full retard.............Does anyone still think that voting will change anything?"
Conversely, does anyone still think staying at home in front of the TV will change anything?
Well since we have a criminal government now, voting would make you an accessory to crime
since more then half of eligible voters don't care to do so, you could argue the opposite, too
What does it matter?
only to the people that fought so that you have the right to vote. on the other side, as long as this silent majority just shrugs, there is no chance for a third party
and without competition... what happens in real life markets when someone sets up a cartel, a duopoly or a monopoly?
right. you get shitty, overpriced products and services
so in short: don't vote and enjoy the shitty, overpriced political results
What are you on about? The people that fought so that I could have a right to vote. What people? The suffragettes? The Athenians? The Iroquios? The Unionists? The Reformists? Who? You can't answer because you don't know who I am.
What about the 3 million that voted for UKIP, or the 5 million that voted for the HDP in Turkey. What about all the people that voted for Viktor Yanukovich?
If you think that voting can change ANYTHING you're living in a dream land.
And what third party are you referring to? The Tea Party, The Greens, Lib Dems...they're all in the same club as the two big players. Sorry, but if I thought that voting made a difference I would do it, but as we can all see from so many 'Democratic' countries around the world it means fuck all.
Besides, the country I live in NOBODY gets to vote. You don't have to think here...it's all layed on for ya!
This is not a dig at you Ghordius (I enjoy your posts) but you're way off on this one!
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/images/Archimedes_htm_m29b58180.jpg
I like his posts too. He is an intellectual.
Ghordi, last time I checked in Germany there was only one establishment ever in power since WW2 and it may have been split between CDU/CSU, SPD and FDP but it still was the same establishment with the same failures. Don't overestimate the power of voting if the system is rigged.
Since the candidates are rigged, no, you cannot argue the opposite. At least not with a straight face. Unless you're arguing that McCain would have gotten us into WWIII faster than Obama is trying to do. It is simple: I do not want any of the people running for the office of the president to be president, so I will not vote for any of them. I will not choose the "lesser of two evils" because decades of that is what has gotten us into this mess.
@Beowulf55: "Govt goes full retard..."
"Govt"? Are you kidding? What "governing" is there going on that resembles a Republic Of The People, For The People and By The People?
Why don't we use the correct term? Regime goes full retard...
In fact, that's the term I now plan to use, and encourage others to do likewise -- for all the NWO Regimes in the West.
E.g. Obama's/US Regime, UK/Brown's Regime, German/Merkel's Regime...
Given a similar ZH Front Running story on the Iranians hacking Obama staff and military - I wonder how many days it will take to hack the special Syrian version of the anti aircraft missiles?
Oh wait - probably it will take until liberation day in November 2016...
I really can't wait to see House Saud fall and get devoured by their own citizens; long overdue.
+1.0 E06.
But don't ask me what I really think.
(I'd rather see that place turn into the world's largest supply of BK7. As bad as ZioCons are, those towel-heads are worse, IMO. Or maybe it's just that I find their 'camel-faces' instinctively repelling. It's what they remind me of, and is not something I grew up with as being 'attractive'. Phuck, are they ugly!)
(p.s. As Kirk gets older, he is willing to put up less and less with BS, Deception and Lies -- as are many who've lived long enough)
This article is so ridiculous and absurd, it's not believable on so many levels.
then pick one apart
...and the silence from Undercover Brother is deafening!
Reggie is keeping the halfrican meat puppet busy.
Actually, the CIA has done this before, in Afganistan. They gave the Muj fighters stingers (around 400). Lost track of about 140 by the time Russia pulled out. Tora Bora was thought to be the storage area, hence the massive bombing and destruction of the caves when the U.S. went to war there. Did they get all of them?
As to this article being true? Don't know, but if it is, it would be an insane thing to do. Desperate measures from a desperate President.
31,000 ft.???
What is height of the highest mountain the airliner flew over. The limit on a Stinger is about 25,000 feet.
Photo #1 above: Flower Children? They clean up nice.
Photo #2 above: Obvious Green Screen
So, is the intent now to create consensus anger against the Saud? Naughty bankers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIM-92_Stinger
FIM 92 Stinger : Max Range: 26,000 ft (8,000 m)
Sinai:
Two principal regions may be recognized in Sinai. The first region is the southern complex of high mountains, including such peaks as Mount K?tr?n? (Catherine), elevation 8,668 feet (2,642 metres); Umm Sh?mar, 8,482 feet (2,585 metres); Al-Thab?, 7,997 feet (2,437 metres); and Mount Sinai, 7,497 feet (2,285 metres). The southern region is essentially composed of igneous rocks and is sharply incised by deep, canyonlike wadis (seasonal watercourses) that drain toward the Gulf of Suez or the Gulf of Aqaba. This gaunt mountain mass is separated from the Gulf of Suez to the west by a narrow coastal plain, but on its eastern side it rises precipitately from the Gulf of Aqaba. The second region, flanking this mass on the north and forming two-thirds of Sinai, is a great plateau sloping from heights of more than 3,000 feet (900 metres) downward to the Mediterranean.
From above wiki article:
……but by 1996 around 600 were unaccounted for and some found their way into Croatia, Iran, Sri Lanka, Qatar and North Korea.[28][29] According to the CIA, already in August 1988 the U.S. had demanded from Qatar the return of Stinger missiles.[30]
Wilson later told CBS he "lived in terror" that a civilian airliner would be shot down by a Stinger, but he did not have misgivings about having provided Stingers to defeat the Soviets.[25]
And we of course don’t know what arms and ammo the US dropped in the region recently….
So anywhere on the high plain = 900 meters (3,000ft) = 26,000ft + 3,000ft = 29,000
Anywhere on a mountain = 2,000 meters (7,000ft) = 26,000 + 7,000 = 33,000 = the aircraft height:
If you were the military would you release specs which overestimate or underestimate the capability of your weapons?
If you build Mil-spec HW, you design to, test to and specify to the 2-sigma (95%) results. It's what you do.
"If you're a German rock-band, you play The Final Countdown. It's what you do."
"If you want to save 15% on car insurance, you go to Geico. It's what you do."
The special software is only designed to not shoot down Air Force One.
They've already done "it"...
Don't think too many Europeans will be traveling to Sharm el-Sheik with London's announcment earlier this week!...
I think "the huddle" in Moscow is the next shoe to drop with Putin delivering "A date which will live in infamy" speech to Russian peoples!!!...
Being a lump, I fail to understand the mind that tells one to go to such places for a "vacation". Just the idea of having the disposable wealth to afford such adventures, and then going to such places to piss it away, seems insane. But given the obvious level of insanity all around us...doesn't really sound so insane after all.
They go to just escape the cold for a week.
Just some rockets to some folks...now, back to the real threat of Climate Change...
The rich and powerful will survive AGW too... winning!
Russian supplied suitcase nuke goes off in central London. City of London collapses. Barclays goes belly up. Canary Wharf is a disaster zone. British SSBN sinks in a freak accident. Global Financial Crisis - Final Edition starts....
Just think of the stimulus of reconstruction though!!!
Green shoots all over again!
Wake up and smell the dogsheite in you coffee cup.
They deserve to be destroyed, and who is going to rebuild ? That filthy whahibist shithole controlled by those pretentious royal satanic child killing and molesting fucks deserve to be smashed to dust.
If you have time: The ring of power (No, not the fucken LOTRings) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CObE4Cnuw5k
+1 for the dark humor, but...
Good luck with that one, as TPTB have Rad-Sensors all over the place in London, NY and Tel Aviv. For obvious reasons. Paris, Rome or Berlin, SF? No. Who cares! (when you're a Globalist)
You'd have to super-shield anything that you brought in (to fit statistically into the Background Radiation). Ask a real nuclear physicist, if in doubt. I have. I'll call him 'Spock' for convenience.
Which is why, IF anything were to go off in the 3 Cities, it's because it's been buried there for ages and the Globalist's elite corp have the remote codes for arming and a separate set for setting off.
I'm a real physicist but not an expert on nukes. Exactly how much radiation nukes give off and how much shielding would it take to mask it?
Its a real question, not like i was born knowing this.
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/R40154.pdf
Not so difficult it seems. Few inches of lead and it decays to background levels within a few meters... do they have radiation detectors every few meters in London?
"the contention that ISIS (or at least IS Sinai) has the technology and/or the expertise to shoot down a passenger jet flying at 31,000 feet has been discredited by “experts” and infrared satellite imagery"
Okay, a carbon dioxide laser is invisible - you see the effect but you never actually see the beam... which means you also can't track it back to a source... just check out LaWS - Navy Laser Weapon System
How far along is the tech... I don't know. Is it now vehicle mounted? Shoulder fired?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0DbgNju2wE
The LaWS prototype is mounted on the USS Ponce, which is floating around the waters from the Sinai Peninsula to the Persian Gulf for another few months before it returns to Norfolk, and more importantly the LaWS system is supposedly undergoing "real-world" testing aboard the Ponce right now...
OK, now we're getting into DARPA Science... If it's on a Satellite platform, it would be more effective, as it'd have less air to penetrate.
Possible, but still unlikely, I'd wager. If they tested a Satellite version, it would've been with a remote-control (RC) old jet, flying over a military range in the US. For security purposes.
"If that sounds insane to you, that’s because it is. Even as US intelligence (which we can only assume emanates from the CIA) indicates that IS Sinai likely brought down a Russian passenger jet with 224 people on board, the same CIA is working with the Saudis to supply “select rebels” with weapons capable of shooting down commercial airliners.
In order to make sure no one ends up blowing a 747 out of the sky, Washington will “retrofit” the weapons with “special” software that makes sure they can only be used in certain areas. "
Where does that come from? Anyone credible? Or is the unnamed author just thinking out loud?
Sounds like a bunch of hearsay to me. Are people making this entertainment material up on the fly?
So the difference between moderate opposition and ISIS will be that ISIS may bring down any aircraft they like, whereas moderate opposition can only bring down aircraft that was greenlighted by Langley. Got it!
Wait, whua?..
Does ANYONE actually believe our government? Or is everyone you know just scratching their heads wondering what we are doing there?
Assad was ever a threat to the US?
I said this would happen. Check my post history. We would give MANPADS to ISIS to shoot at Russian jets
You know what? I'm gonna do that as soon as I have some free time.
Why does 'ISIS' look like some Hobbits at the Shire?
Because that's Mustafa Manpadding sitting in the centre right there.
Give that man another peace prize.
i'm getting that old tsa-is-gonna-grope-me-at-the-airport feeling again. fat finger larry i hardly knew ya.
Hey, I think I've seen this movie before. It happened in another region no one gave a shit about until some Russians went there. Then they armed some local militias with a few stingers, defeating the "great red threat", only to attack the USA less than a decade later. I believe it was made by the same production company that is making this film to.
lots of "rhyming" going on
You guys are insane...within 2 years those manpads will be in the US blowing up US passenger jets and it will be your own damned fault....these are terrorists not Sunday school teachers...US needs to lock up these psychopaths in Washington. They are dangerous to all of humanity. No wonder the rest of the world hates the US.....
WTF are you talking about? It's not even credible. No source, no names, no citations.
But if it's printed on the internet, it must be true !!!!!!
Let me guess... If you had heard this from Brian Williams you'd have taken it as gospel.
I have a general distrust of the wsj as well. No credibility. Same goes for the us gubmit and cia. Also i would like to believe what you ha g e to say as well, but this is the internet remember? So from here on out ill never believe a thing you say.
The end of international travel 3....2...1....
I thank God for the greater judgment.
Awwww.... poor Russia and Iran, realizing that two can play the intervention game.
And don't try the "rebels= ISIS" jabber either, because it isn't remotely tru.
And what happens when these so-called moderates blow a civilian airliner out of the sky, be it Iranian, Israeli, Turkish, Lebanese...? Lots of dead civilians who want fuck all to do with the big-boys war games?
Hey, Yomutti, on behalf of all sane, intelligent, non-trolling, war abhoring, people who visit ZH for some news and a bit of fun in the comments section......GO AND FUCK YOURSELF!
"You're not fancy ... you're a regular jack-ass."
yomutti? Yo mamma.
All terrorists, every last one of them, asshole. Clearing the way for Eretz israel. They should all be liquidated, these Muslims that kill only other Muslims at the behest of the West. As if any of these deluded fucks care about democracy in Syria.
What's crazy is that you think they SHOULD have the these weapons and be able to shoot down more civilian airliners. To you, this is legitimate intervention, such is the view of the fat virgin in his mother's basement. The blow up doll is a poor substitute for the real thing
Yea how about these pale-skinned "terrorists" sitting among the flowers on the lush green grass in Syria? Happy Hollywood suckers.
EXACTLY what I thought. Those sum white boys...
I can't believe Congress is not impeaching Obama. It boggles the mind.
The Republicans need Obama's help to pass the TPP, fool!
I can -Congress is predominatly owned by the Deep State Banksters and CIA -most are sex perverts compromised by sex scandals waiting to be exposed or bribes. Most are compromised before they even get in -that's how they get the funding to win.
Stupiid sons of bitches
Peak insanity --
These ISIS lunatics boast loudly, twice even, about destroying a Russian
passenger jet carrying over 200 Russian citizens.
Plus, there is a reasonable possibility that they actually did this.
How clever are these folks? It's worse than breaking into a lion's cage and yanking its tail, for crying out loud.
Something here is not adding up?
They are just the fall-guys and stupid enough not to notice anyway
One good thing is that these units do not age well.......they are high maintaince babes
Whatever could go wrong? I don't see it.
off the rails, off the rails .....
I'm long Raytheon
Semantics. "Moderate rebels" turned into "select syrian militants" & my personnal favourite "sunni tribes" that they kind o blur with the Kurds so it blurs all this a bit more.
That's disgusting
Obozo is doing everything he can to protect ISIS ( a CIA creation) to overthrow Assad and start World War III with Russia!
That is the plan; will we have King Obama is the real question? But keep your eyes on that SMART device, that TV, and that Stock Market...everything is awesome.
He is a titanic asshole. His neocon handlers and whoever is pushing the CIA is batshit insane. i would say watch what happens when an israeli airliner gets shot down, but these guys know which side their bread is buttered on and will only focus on USrael enemies, like theyv'e been doing all this time.
Jesus, you just can't make this shit up. The CIA has fallen a looong way. They were always evil, but not quite this reckless.
We SAMmed some folks.
And they didn't even cry 'Uncle'!
The moment the 1st Russian (Combat) Jet goes down, its gonna be all or nothing for everybody.
AGREED..
1. Visit Montana.
2. GTFO.
1. Born and bred in Montana (Fort Benton!)
2. Time to go back one last time
Saudi Arabia and Turkey will be the receipient of a great many airstrikes.
It'll be revolting to see the West join hands in hands with the criminal, terrorist-spawning regimes in Saudi Arabia and Turkey. Yes, the same Saudi Arabia that Uncle Sam won't officially let the public know helped to fund 9/11. Our "allies".
Only trouble is that enough of the toothpaste is out of the tube to wake the public to what is going on. All that is lacking to wreck their propaganda/public opinion control schemes is a consistent and credible narrative presented by a credible and disinterested authority. RT wants to do that but most sheep recognize that it is not far enough away from it's national interest to be truly disinterested or impartial.
The hubris emanating from the Pentagon and DC these days reeks to high heaven. It can only spell ruin to so wantonly and carelessly mislead the public. Such cynicism cannot end well.
I at least look forward to the .Gov induced cognitive dissonance to continue awakening more of the public here in the West. Very tough times are coming though. The "terrorists abroad" have turned out to be the terrorists here at home and we will have to fight them here to ensure that other don't have to fight them abroad. Russia and China surely can (and will) uproot the US/Western NATO syndicate from the Middle East and the rest of Asia, but they won't ever be able to invade the continental US. They will absolutely blackball us from their domain, however. The banksters won't adjust the fiat regime to save the main street economy of what is left of the "West" from the ravages of a shriking fiat domain (liquidity trap), and the Western economy will stagnate and suffer on in to disguised hyper-inflation.
This means that we, the US citizenry, are almost certainly headed towards becoming an isolated Orwellian prison state where the government is too weak to face external threats, but strong enough to repress and control the populace. At that point, the only possibility will be change from within. Overcoming those forces will be, unfortunately, extremely difficult.
This is all abut who gets to feed Europe natural gas; will it be the Russians or the NATO alliance? As opposed to a little friendly competition...nah let's destroy peoples lives to get that gas passed over to Europe.
We are seriously dealing with some really insane and nasty people on both sides.
Close, but this is all about the petro dollar, everything else is secondary to that little issue
Close, but this is all about the petro dollar, everything else is secondary to that little issue
Inmates running the asylum.
They're all fucking idiots.
Why not give the Saudi's a nuke or two, preferably from 40,000 feet.
What can go wrong?
I still can't believe that Russia is now on the moral high ground.
This is telling as to how far the USA has fallen.
Makes me recall the Red Hot Chili Peppers cover of Stevie Wonder's Higher Ground. IMO, Russia is reaching for it and getting the nod to do so by those all ready ahead of it on that path of greater resistance...
"You may be right, it's all a waste of time.
I guess that's just the chance I'm prepared to take
A danger I'm prepared to face.
Cut to the chase!"
RUSH / Counterparts / Cut To The Chase - 1993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3H7kFDpQDM
Charles Lindbergh was right. About everything. RIP.
http://www.charleslindbergh.com/
Harry and David's Airliner Crash of the month plan .... enjoy the fruits of terror .... all year long ?
In the Group of Five kneeling terrorists above .... it's the "white guy" who appears to be the leader .... no wonder aging white mean (that would be men, my bad) are dying off ?
Peak insanity 2.0 --
It would be fairly easy for the U.S. to smuggle these anti-aircraft missiles into Syria secretly.
Announcing it is a different thing.
It affects what will happen if a Russian fighter gets shot down.
So why was this announced?
This is a threat to all of us.
Is some huge calamity or collapse imminent? Or what?
Evil stupid bastards we have.
Like the super secret arms shipments through Ben Ghazi ?
SAUDI ARABIA BEHIND RUSSIAN AIRLINER CRASH; BRITISH COVER-UP TO SAVE SAUDIS; DAMASCUS OFFENSIVE BOFFO!
Read more at http://syrianperspective.com/2015/11/saudi-arabia-behind-russian-airline...
IF that is true, and the Russians are satisfied that this is true, then...they can kiss their Refineries and their revenue stream bye-bye.
'Pop' goes the price of crude.
The locals will do the rest, in overthrowing the KSA regime.
What's with the picture of an indy rock group at the top of the article?
It's an updated version of this Beatles Abbey Road photo:
https://neonmoderntimes.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/beatles-abbey-road.jpg
It's Jihad Jamz, and the Goat Molestaz
Well, I guess that pretty much ends the proxy part of this little Syrian entertainment they cooked up.
Dasvidania, Miss American Pie.
I read this as:
The MANPADS in circulation could already hit a civilian airliner. The 25k ft designation given to the media is just bullshit to pacify people. Don't worry we have these shoulder fired AA missiles, but we made sure they can't go high enough to hit civilian aircraft. You don't just make a specialized version of a weapon to go above 32k feet. You would want maximum range and altitude from the beginning.
Just completely forget about the fact that the weapons were designed to shoot down military aircraft traveling up to 900mph.
You don't film a plane you think is going to blow up. You film a plane you just shot something at.
The first thing the CIA said was that this plane was not shot down. So any reasonable thought logic says that you believe the exact opposite of what the CIA says. The plane was shot down by a CIA trained ISIS thug with a Stinger or other MANPAD given to them by the US government.
Bingo, and you better believe Russia knows this as well.
And i will cheer the day they bring out proof positive...
...Through Benghazi. As such, it must not be said because it would point back at Obama... and we can't have that now can we?
Ohbutthole: Check.
Putin: Check Mate!
Game over
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"You don't film a plane you think is going to blow up."
Sure you do. If, as someone has suggested that the C4 was in the Drinks Cart, then it makes perfect sense:
1. The Drinks Cart comes out as soon as they reach Cruising Alt (CA).
2. Knowing the exact time of Take-Off and knowing when it'll reach CA, you know within a few minutes when this sucker will blow, if your intelligence Friends provided you with the time and position of the flight trajectory. Start filming the moment you see the plane. It's not that complicated.
Otherwise, if you used a MANPAD, you'd have to (a) be in the exact GPS position, and (b) fire it at the exact right time, to get a Hit. Note that at Max Range (when targeting an airliner), it would have to go straight up and intersect the flight trajectory at just the right time (a tiny time-window). Which makes it technically far more difficult and statistically less probable than C4 in the Drinks Cart.
Note that they store that Cart in the back (tail area), before they push it up the Aisle for service (front-to-rear). No wonder that the Presstitues started picking on the Maintenance Record and it's alleged "Tail" issues. Sounds like a tall Tale to me.
Phuck, I should've been an Analyst.
it was predicted the zionazis would do something to help their stuck on stupid bona fides. they haven't disappointed.
uh yeah, I'm sure that's something you will only hear on ZH.
Probably to do with saudi warplanes being knocked out of the sky and warships being sunk by the increasingly well armed Houthis in Yemen. remember in March it was to be a 'brief intervention' to restore the Hadi government.
do they really believe, that the so called moderate terrorists would become democrats once they win. thats stupid.
you are mistaken. it is the republicans who supply the lubricant this time for a good usa fucking by the zionazis. johnny hopes all those moderates become migrants to the usa and join the elephants in the room.
You are wrong. It is the democrats who are responsible.
They control the administrative branch of government.
Just because crazy McCain and angry faggot Graham want more does not change the fact that Obama is president.
It also does not change the fact that democrats are giant hypocrites.
Had this been going on under a republican administration the democrats would be screaming bloody murder and so would their propaganda machine, or as some call it main stream media.
Would McCain be doing the same? Yes and likely more, but if the democrats were controlling both houses they would be trying to impeach his ass.
The only flaw in your logic is thinking there's any difference between the Rs and the Ds.
While you are correct about what the Ds would be doing if an R occupied the White House, it's all Bukkake Theatre, splooged all over Joe & Jane SixPack's faces. The 'narrative' is that the Rs are heartless warmongering bastards, while the Ds are kind, compassionate, Skittle-shitting unicorns. But, as George Carlin once said, "it's all bullshit, and it's bad for ya'."
A Russian jetliner has been brought down by "likely sabotage". And now the possibility exists that ManPads might reach some Syrian rebels. And we are actually asking how Vlad Putin might react to this?
This is not a bad time to go LONG ... on World War Three in the Middle East !!!
just nuke the saudi oil fields.
Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem would be more appropriate targets
No, too many victims. Just destroy their source of income.
Ah, you mean the U.S.gov?
no, the oil fields. would hurt the USA as well once the price for crude is 200 USD
Not my area. It'd be a boomtown.
Which one? The monkeys in DC, or their masters abroad?
"Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem would be more appropriate targets"
Yup, make those places glow for the next million years, and you'd have a real chance of Peace On Earth.
Especially after no Guy In The Sky intervenes or shows up, to maintain the ancient EOTW 'prophecies'. Even then, I'd expect organized religion to do what it has always done, when confronted with extinction: To re-invent itself, with a new spin. Cause sheeple are gullible and 'stoopid'.
Why is why the old saying applies: There will be no peace until the very last monarch is hung by the entrails of the last cleric (priest, rabbi, imam).