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Submitted by Jeff Thomas via InternationalMan.com,

Recently, the Honduras homes and businesses of the family of Jaime Rosenthal were raided by the Honduran government. The properties themselves were seized and other assets taken. The family-owned bank was also seized and has been forced into liquidation, creating potential financial crisis for its 220,000 clients.

 

Throngs of angry clients, unable to go about their personal and professional business, have blocked surrounding streets, demanding the release of their savings.

 

 

In response, the government has promised that each depositor will have the opportunity to withdraw up to US$9,600 from other banks, beginning with the smallest depositors.

At first glance, those of us who live in the First World may regard this sort of crazy seizure as typical Third World governmental behaviour, but, in recent years, the First World has been changing. We’ve witnessed banks and governments confiscating depositors’ funds, increasing capital controls, and instituting asset forfeiture laws that have turned police departments into looters. They’ve created dramatically increased powers for all authorities, leading the populace to live in fear of detention or arrest for the smallest perceived infraction.

Some First World governments have taken a decidedly Third World turn.

And in this instance we see an ironic twist: The raids in Third World Honduras were a direct result of the legalised shakedowns that are occurring in the First World.

With the understanding that the U.S. government now seizes the assets of those they charge with a crime (and sometimes with no charge having been made), the government of Honduras undertook their seizure of the Rosenthals’ assets as a preemptive act, after one of the Rosenthals had been arrested in the U.S.

In essence, what we’re seeing is one government acting in a totalitarian manner to preempt another government acting in a totalitarian manner. Worse, the latter government is that of the U.S., once regarded as the leader of the Free World.

In discussing the event with a colleague in Honduras, I was advised that, as she is British, she has come to assume that the First World, into which she had been born, was more developed, more civilised than the Central American country in which she now resides. Although she was aware of the 2013 bank confiscation in Cyprus and has heard rumblings of new restrictive laws in the EU and U.S., she had not pieced together the fact that, whilst Third World countries continue to develop, the First World is going in the opposite direction and is beginning to pass the Third World level on their way down.

The First One to Make the Grab Gets the Spoils

The Honduran government said in a statement that it conducted the raids and closed the bank because it “wants to prevent the transfer of assets during the investigation.”

It would seem that they were content to leave the future of the Rosenthal businesses to the free market, but were not willing to allow the U.S. government to seize substantial assets that make up a part of the Honduras economy. The choice, then, was to either allow the U.S. plunderers to seize assets located in another country, or to become the plunderers themselves. In essence, “I don’t wish to see my neighbour robbed, but if I know someone’s coming to my neighbourhood to rob him, I’ll rob him myself first.”

If this were to be the only incident of its kind, it wouldn’t be worth the effort to provide comment. However, it may well be a bellwether of events to come. Certainly, those who seek public office (in all or at least most countries) are far more focused on their own benefit than the well-being of their constituents. As such, if they feel that the squeeze is on (be it a political, military or monetary squeeze), we can expect them to behave in a manner that’s intended to save their own skin, not that of their people.

Historically, such conditions begin with a few small warnings, such as the one in Honduras, then, at some point, bubble over quickly. The “crazy” period is usually brief, usually a few years at most, then it burns itself out after the wealth has disbursed.

If this premise is correct, we can predict a period of increased looting by governments in general. We already know that the leading jurisdictions of the First World are in serious economic trouble and are instituting draconian measures at home in order to grab what they can from their citizens on their way down. In addition, they’re spreading their reach throughout the world under the auspices of organisations like the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development to loot assets in other countries under the pretence that they constitute “the good guys,” whilst the rest of the world constitutes, “the bad guys.”

The real truth, of course, is that “the good guys” are in no way better than the rest of the world; they merely have more power and, at least for the present, have the ability to presume their good guy status through force.

By extension, we can anticipate that, as the Great Unravelling progresses, we shall see actions being taken by governments and financial institutions worldwide that we’ve never seen in our lifetimes. An aggressive action taken by one entity will cause a knee-jerk reaction by the target entity and, in some cases, chain reactions will occur. In addition, as in Honduras, we shall see preemptive aggressive actions taken in the belief that another entity may move first. Along the way, a sense of what is morally right will lose its importance. In its place, we shall see a “Nice guys finish last,” ethic come to the fore. Those who behave the most honourably in this period will become the foremost victims of those whose ethics have, until the present, been more the product of convention than conviction.

The looting of the tribes is nothing new. It goes back throughout history. It flourishes during crisis times, then subsides, as productivity reasserts itself.

The question that remains is what to do during the crisis period, when, it seems, everyone is going after each other’s possessions.

History tells us that the vast majority of people hunker down and hope that they’re not victimised too badly. In the end, they generally end up as casualties to a greater or lesser degree.

Others vote with their feet. Throughout history, whenever there’s been turmoil in some countries, there have been other countries where the government and/or society is less aggressive and less rapacious. The same is true today. There are many jurisdictions where those who plan ahead can either move permanently, or merely plan to wait out the storm.

 

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Thu, 11/12/2015 - 22:12 | 6784938 Cabreado
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"the vast majority of people hunker down"

"Others vote with their feet."

An article that presents, and excuses, the above as a list of options is worthy of nothing but scorn, and should be labeled as nothing but Self-Serving and Cowardice.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 22:19 | 6784947 honestann
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Advice:  Get the hell outta dodge.
Advice:  Keep all wealth in physical assets.
Advice:  Hide all your assets very securely!

Here is how life works in the USSA already (based on many reports):

#1:  Some official doesn't like you for some (any) bogus reason.

#2:  They preemptively cease your assets.

#3:  They [often] don't charge you with anything.

#4:  You can't hire a lawyer to force the predators-that-be to return your assets, because you have no assets to pay the lawyer (and lawyers want to be paid).

#5:  If you find a way to get an effective lawyer or otherwise make a big stink, they drag out the process for years (while you are rotting in their jail cells).  IF... and that's an increasingly big and growing IF at this point you ever manage to get in front of a judge, the judge won't make them return your money or let you out of the stinking cage they locked you in [with or without bogus charges].

#6:  Once you realize you will never see a penny of your wealth again, and may never get out of the cage, the persecutors (no longer just "prosecutors") may offer you a "plea deal".  If you sign a piece of paper that assigns ownership of 80% of your assets, they will return the other 20% and agree not to file any formal charges (or dismiss the bogus charges they made).  They may even demand you plead guilty to one or more real or imagined "crimes" as a condition, which will destroy your "record".

#7:  If you refuse, they will keep everything they ceased, and you will rot in their cage for the rest of your life... which quite likely will be very short.  Any attempts to get a trial... even a very un-speedy trial... will either not ever happen, or take many years.

#8:  If you are insanely stubborn and durable, and you persist for many years through all their delays, and you eventually get to trial... they will drop all charges the day of the trial (after trying to intimidate you into yet another confession and plea-deal).  They may still not let you out of your cage, and almost certainly will not return any of your property until you sue them and win... IF... you can ever get that case to trial.

And the above is probably close to "best case".

Are you ready to "get the hell outta dodge" yet?

No?

Well, obviously many people love to live dangerous!

Not me.  I got the hell outta dodge 4 years ago.  And I'm overwhelmingly glad I did.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 23:59 | 6785203 Buster Cherry
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and pray tell, where did you land?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 00:47 | 6785319 honestann
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The boonies somewhere in the southern hemisphere, 125km from the nearest human being.  To protect my privacy, I don't say exactly where.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 01:25 | 6785378 Lost in translation
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Can't ISP's be tracked? You're on here a lot.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 05:07 | 6785626 honestann
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I'm not 100% positive.  But probably not.  At worst, and with enough effort, someone might be able to trace back to the city 250km from me where the signal originates.  However, the repeater stations I erected at high-points between where I connect into the high-speed truck are virtually impossible to find.  In fact, it would be almost a miracle for someone to even find out there is a long-range wireless connection there at all.  That would leave them at a dead end 250km from me, with no idea I was far, far away in some random direction.

I also employ software that redirects my internet communications through other [rotating] links, the only purpose of which is to make backtracing futile, misleading and supposedly impossible (though I won't go as far as to agree with the proponents that it is literally impossible).

Also, I don't do anything to piss anyone off... other than post politically incorrect oddball opinions here at ZH.  So I can't even imagine why anyone would want to bother in the first place.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 11:09 | 6786417 BernankeHasHemo...
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I must say that amidst all the nonsense posted at ZH your posts are fascinating. Do you have a blog?

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 03:22 | 6790921 honestann
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No.  I have nothing to sell.  ZH is my only "timewaste", so my comments here are the closest I have to a blog.  Glad someone enjoys reading.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 03:45 | 6785556 spooz
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Sounds wonderful...if you're a RECLUSE.  Sorry, I'll stick it out in the US as things wind down.  Even a slow motion train wreck is better than solitary confinement, imo. Your version of "paradise" would make me suicidal. The thing that makes life worth living isn't hoarding gold, its having meaningful contact with people you care about.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 04:59 | 6785620 honestann
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Yes, not everyone loves peace, quiet, solitude and dark skies with the galaxy center nearly overhead.  But consider the following.

Since I've been living here (four years), I've flown back and forth across both the south-pacific and south-mid-atlantic three times, in hops of 4000km or less (usually much less, since I like to visit as many island groups as possible, and at least make low-and-slow passes over most islands in those groups (some of which have over 300 individual islands).

And I will land on any populated or empty island that seems interesting if I can find a 100 meter stretch that appears straight and safe enough from the air (after careful inspection with binoculars during 2+ low-and-slow passes).

So far I've visited 19 fictitious nations and dozens of islands... all without visa, passport or government permission.  I do research places along my route before I travel though, and when my landing options are scares, I do sometimes contact in advance and get permission to land on fields or driveways owned by individuals.

I never land at airports... not even tiny ones.  Since I only need 80 meters of fairly straight, fairly level surface to take off (and much less to land), a short straight section of grassy field or rural [paved/dirt] road (or driveway) is sufficient.  Actually, it is always fun to spot rural gas stations where I can land and roll up close to the pumps... always fun to freak out employees.  The filler hoses almost never reach, so adding fuel is always a two-step process (pump to container then container to airplane, usually 2~5 times with 25 liter container).

Obviously I get to meet, greet and interact with people on my trips... most of which are much shorter than these full south-pacific circuits that extend as far west as west Australia and as far east as the east coast of South America (and sometimes to mid-Atlantic islands).  Needless to say, I don't need to initiate conversations... arriving as I do is strange enough to motivate people to strike up conversations with me.  Everyone always think I'm from their island or a nearby island, and are always shocked to learn I fly all the way across the south-pacific in such a tiny little lightweight contraption (~275kg sans fuel).  Yup, I'm no good at starting conversations... but never need to.

Also, I have been working on a collaborative scientific and engineering project with a few other people, and we keep in touch via skype.  So, that's human contact too, albeit moderated by electronic devices.

PS:  I no longer accumulate or hoard gold.  In fact, I had to liquidate 90% of my savings (98% of which was physical gold and silver) in 2011 to build my place.  As it turned out, that was a very lucky decision, since I liquidated near the highest prices of both gold and silver.  But that was pure luck... not brilliant planning on my part.

But yeah, I do very well alone.  When I lived alone at that remote scientific research station for 7 years I had no form of communication, no radio, no TV, no nothing.  Typically I'd see no human for 3 months or so, then make a long drive to a tiny town that had my Post Office Box and a 24-hour grocery store where I could stock up on food for the next 3 months.  Usually I'd time my trip to arrive around 3am... when the only people in the grocery store were workers restocking shelves.  Hahaha... I guess that proves I have no craving to meet random humans.  To be a hermit seems completely natural to me.  And yes, that makes me abnormal and weird.  But given my low opinion of humans, I rather prefer being weird.  And I so much appreciate the odd and often fascinating character of very remote places and towns.  I'm the perfect candidate for a one-way trip to Mars.  I'd love to live on a planet all by myself.  Awesome!  Or if they're really great people, I'm okay having another one or few along for the adventure.

Note:  No reason for most people to locate themselves as far out in the boonies as me.  In fact, there are many small towns in rural areas that would be great places for most people to live near.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 05:14 | 6785630 spooz
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As more young people are forced by finances to live with their parents after getting out of school, extended families are becoming more common in the US.  I think its the silver lining to a crappy economy, since it allows families to stay close.  Most of the younger generation aren't willing to relocate to places where they have nothing in common with the local population, and the older generation gets some comfort from having the support of their offspring. Gathering with the extended family for a holiday meal, seeing the grandkids take their first steps, having a family board game night, visiting museums and attending theater...Skype can never replace these things.

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 04:23 | 6790959 honestann
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What surprises me is how seldom humans with common interests and attitudes form their own "families", which I generally call "collaborations".

When I was growing up, I never had much of anything in common with my family... or relatives... or anyone else for that matter.  Which I must assume is part of the reason I became so rabidly individualistic, self-sufficient and hermit-like.

I really have no aversion whatsoever to those few other humans who are kind, gentle, friendly, creative, intelligent, productive and benevolent.  Especially if they are also weird in some way.  I like weird!  Weird people, weird geology, weird weather (now and then), weird environments, weird activities, weird adventures, weird projects, weird topics.  Everything except weird food, it seems.

In fact, it just blows me away that most people actually WANT to be "normal"... or in other words, anti-weird.  They actually want that.  Even as I type this I can feel my brain pull back in revulsion at the very thought!  Normal?  Get me outta here!  Hahaha!  But not kidding, not at all.  Which I have to assume regularly comes through in my writing.

This is probably why benevolent diversity feels natural to me, and doesn't bother me at all.  In fact, my vision of a perfect world is one in which each individual is radically different than others, has their own interests, and invents, designs and implements or lives their own crazy ideas.

I don't want to live in a world where everyone is the same... as in normal.  Yuck!

But when I was young and growing up, that's what everyone wanted... for everyone else to be the same as them, believe the same as them, behave the same as them.  That actually gave them comfort... while it gave me disgust and made me very uncomfortable and unsatisfied.  And, of course, rebellious.  But fortunately for me, I didn't make the mistake of fighting them (another normal behavior I hated).  Instead, I learned how to evade them, ignore them, go my own way, do my own thing, keep my mouth shut and stay outta sight and outta mind.

I've run into a few individuals over the years who I got along with fairly well, though most of them ended up making huge mistakes with their lives, or eventually being captured and destroyed (as "friend material") by their "inner normality" or "inner conformity".  In the end, so few humans are able to "live and let live".

I'm the easiest person in the world to get along with if your true nature is "live and let live".  I'm neat, clean, quiet, considerate, responsible and helpful when efficiently possible.  But I am the most hopelessly frustrating being in the universe to force some behavior, belief or food upon.  That's usually what used to end up driving people crazy and away (or gave them justification to attempt to harm or cheat me).  Of course I always find this strange, because I have no impulse to force anyone to do or believe anything except adopt "general benevolence" (what some folks call "the non-aggression principle").

But that's clearly too much to ask of most human beings.  Even those who generally have a "live and let live" attitude usually have one or two exceptions.  The most common was not being able to accept my lack "faith" or belief in a deity.  This is hilarious, actually, because usually they don't even care WHAT crazy deity, just as long as I believe in SOME crazy deity... ANY deity, or even pseudo-deity.  Why do they care so much that they let it destroy a [potential] friendship?  I dunno.  And though I'm always a bit curious (about almost everything), I don't really care.

I suppose the bottom line is... humans are more trouble than they're worth.  Or perhaps more to the point, I'm more trouble than I'm worth!  Hahaha.  I'm just too stubborn, too individualistic.  Humans have been trained to hate intellectual and existential independence... beyond a certain point.  But I absolutely, completely, totally reject the notion of "authority", and will not conform for anyone, period.  So be it.  Good thing I'm happy alone.

BTW, another difference with me even when young was a complete lack of fear to explore and relocate somewhere new, odd, or as you put it, "where I have nothing in common with locals".  Maybe because I have almost nothing in common with humans wherever I go, no matter what I do.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 08:36 | 6785812 Reaper
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"If you get to trial"is delusional. There are no honest trials, no honest judges, no honest appellate courts and the Supreme Court will reject your Petition to hear your case. http://faqusajudicialcorruption.blogspot.com/

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 22:34 | 6784985 tarabel
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So, let's see if I understand this correctly.

The law-abiding government of Honduras seized the assets of someone who had commited no crime within their jurisdiction, as well as the assets of people whose only crime was to deposit their money in the bank of the offshore criminal, and promises to restore most, but not all, of the depositor's money in a short period of time.

They may well be making the best out of a bad situation, but this spells potential bank run to me. If I were a customer of a Honduran bank, I would be there in the morning with my withdrawl slip all made out-- assuming I couldn't just e-bank it over to some other venue.

Of course the "International Man" blog wants you to know that there are plenty of safe places overseas to stash your cash and specie. It's just that Honduras is no longer on their "recommend" list.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 02:01 | 6785436 Benjamin123
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The article doesnt mention what the situation with the bank was. At all. It kept mentioning the Rosenthal family. Rosenthal this, Rosenthal that, for strictly clickbait purposes. I can summarize the article as follows : "Honduran kike bank in trouble, first world kike banks to follow suit, be worried!".

Zerohedge posters: KIKE BANK KIKE BANK KIKE BANK!!!!

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 03:24 | 6785543 Johnny Horscaulk
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My thought was 'even in honduras the jews own the banks - I bet anyone remarking on the amazingly wild overrepresentation of jews as bank owners will be called an antisemite'

So - thanks.

A tiny minority with massive over-representation in banking and finance all over the world must never, ever be discussed. Because members of that minority might worry about losing the massive power over other groups it represents.

Got it.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 06:50 | 6785689 Noplebian
Thu, 11/12/2015 - 22:39 | 6784999 Monetas
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Mexico is NOT a third world country .... it's at least 2.5 !

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 22:40 | 6785003 Reaper
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Those who escape the sinking ship first survive.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 22:42 | 6785009 Monetas
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Capt. Francesco Shettino, Costa Concordia ?

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 22:40 | 6785004 Monetas
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"Every thing is coming up Rosens !"

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 23:12 | 6785083 DeusHedge
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hey, as long as i get greenlighted, i dont care what they put in the cigars.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 23:19 | 6785101 MEFOBILLS
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It would seem that they were content to leave the future of the Rosenthal businesses to the free market,

There is no such thing as a free market in bank credit as money.  Bank credit is high cost at inception and takes for its right to exist.

When somebody borrows money from a private banker, like the Rosenthals, these new borrowers hypothecate themselves by signing away their future and putting some asset that can be grabbitized on bank ledger.  Banks like to grab fungible property, usually land or houses or something that they can later sell or hold as a "real asset."

New credit is created and borrower spends this new credit into money supply.  Said credit is immediately drained from money supply by others paying off their loans.  New borrower is on the debt hook to grab other peoples credit in future, to then throw at his debt instrument. This drain into ledger disappears former credit as money from existence.  What came from nothing returns to nothing.

When a new debtor creates money at a bank, he/she spends it, AND OTHER PEOPLE USE IT.

Anybody who doesn't accept this notion, that other people use the credit, is not serious and should be dismissed.  

Since other people use your CREDIT, then it is of the commons.   If it is of the commons, it does not belong to the FREE MARKET.

Things in the free market are elastic goods.  Inelastic goods including money, belong to the commons.

Inelastic markets must either be regulated or government owned, to then deliver lowest costs.  Money should not come from the free market, this notion is an oxymoron.

Another problem with private credit as money is counter parties.  If Joe doesn't pay Maria, then Maria cannot pay Jim, and Jim cannot pay George, and so on.  When one personn doesn't pay, other loans become non-performing in a feedback cascade event.

So, the seizure of small banks and asset seizures are a built in feature of private credit as money.  By seizing assets, then "debts" are wiped out, and a new debt cycle can begin.  Banking creditors who created the money via hypothecations and hold debt instruments are winners in the seizure/grabbitizing cycle.  This grabbing of real assets to then cancel debt instruments is also known as harvest phase.  Debtor sheeple are being sheared for their fleece.  Big banks, or bigger banking fish will absorb small banks during harvest phase as necessary.  But, at top of private banking pyramid, there is never losses. 

These money creating creditors (bankers and their finance hanger-on's) buy out government to then influence said government, which then gives cover and sanction for the free lunch usury that finance is taking, especially during debt harvest phase.  In U.S. it is corporations, including banking corporations, who are the new Oligarchs.

Aristotle noted cycles of Oligarchy, which are related to debts/usury.  To paraphrase:  (Sorry if I don't get it exactly.) Oligarch creditors grab money from supply with their rent schemes, and also enclose land, making serfs of people. This phase of debt cycle is happening now.

 A super Oligarch wants to make war, but to get sheeple debt-serf's allegiance he promises to erase their debts.  Super Oligarch makes war on his enemies within and without.  Super Oligarch becomes the King.  Yeah! (sarc)  Eventually idiot progeny of the king supress the population; population then revolts with something like a magna carta, to then start restart democracy.

 Eventually democracy ages and falls down by becoming riddled with debt; free lunch debt instrument holding Oligarchs re-emerge, to then start cycle again toward heriditary King who promises to erase debts.

This cycle has a root cause, and it is debts that grow outside of a natural ability of the earth, or debtors to pay.

  

 

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 03:04 | 6785513 windcatcher
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Beautiful argument Mefoballs, and yes, nothing has changed since Aristotle examined Oligarchy and its bankster fascist roots centuries ago.

Humans seldom learn from someone else’s experience, a new uneducated fool is born every day and repeats the not learned mistakes. The 21 Century killing field is enormous and the fascist Oligarchies will win unless we bring the criminals too society to Justice

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 04:40 | 6785607 Johnny Horscaulk
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+1 but 'Said credit is immediately drained from money supply by others paying off their loans' is not true. Not for the accountants, anyway.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 23:35 | 6785144 Bill of Rights
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If you keep your money in banks I have no sympathy for you.

Thu, 11/12/2015 - 23:57 | 6785199 Deez Nuts
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Anyone notice that it's mainly the kikes in these high profile fraud cases?

...oh, and kikes seizing other kikes assets? There MUST be a Nazi joke in there somewhere...

Anyone?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 00:10 | 6785241 V for ...
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Their 'sacred prayer' called Kol Nidre allows them to break all promises, and they think non-jews are too kind to defy them.

It is not compulsory for jews to break promises. Good ones don't. Bad ones do.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 01:57 | 6785428 Benjamin123
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As a jew i went to the sinagogue many times during Yom Kippur and heard the Kol Nidre. I did not recite it mostly because i hated praying and did not understand hebrew. Everyone else at the sinagogue was on the same boat, waiting for the rabbi to finish so we could eat after 24 hours fasting. Out of Israel nobody knows what the prayers mean (except for the odd hebrew speaker, the rabbi amongst them). 

Kol Nidre is not sacred anyway. No prayer is sacred, these are poems composed in medieval Spain. Within judaism only god is sacred, as far as im aware, though they change it all the time and declare more and more things to be sacred, including real estate parcels and selected rabbi tombs.

Interpret my little anecdote in any way you want. Spin it and weave a witty retort, ok?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 04:42 | 6785557 Johnny Horscaulk
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Within orthodox judaism, very much including the chabad nuts g0d is not the only sacred entity.

Because so is 'the jew'

Please spare me - 'the rebbe' schneerson
and the former chief sephardic rabbi o israel werent fringe quacks - they were respected scholars of jewish law. Ditto the 'kings torah' guys.

I am on the other hand sure most american jews have never heard of it.

But just ask a muslim - we are all responsible for our whackjob minority.
Only in israel - around 800k people turned out for ovadias funeral

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2010/10/gentiles-exis...

Thats about the same number of natives ethnically cleansed from israel in the 40s by Zionist militia, as it happens. Read Ilan Pappe, have you? Around 400 Arab villages 'depopulated' and renamed their homes given to jews who had never set foot in the promised land.

You can see the former site of one of them, and a massacre by Zios, from the doors of Yad Vashem

They werent 'chosen' you see, and Bibis dad had more of a right to live there than people whod farmed the land for 1000 years - or much more.

http://youtu.be/YSy6ENVAJlY

Jewish religious texts are fundamentally and primordially ethnocentric and supremacist. It is baked in. It is the essence of circumcision which absent same would be seen simply as needless even potentially sexually deleterious (debatable but from a neuro basis makes sense to me) mutilation and assault done without consent.

That most Jews dont take a thing like the kol n seriously doesnt mean the fundies dont.

His error is over generalization - not wholesale fiction

Still, we should all be more precise in our language. Oh, and about muslims, too.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 04:00 | 6785571 MEFOBILLS
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Kol Nidre is not sacred anyway

Benjamin, no need for a witty retort.  An exception to the rule argument is false logic.  It doesn't matter if you ignore Kol Nidre, what does matter is that inner sanctums use Kol Nidre as a weapon.

The prayer was especially weaponized by Sabbati Sevi (sp?) in 1666, when it was revealed he wasn't the Messiah.

Prior to 1666 (666 is  holy number in Cabala and goes back to King Solomon) the prayer was used as sanction for Cryto Jews to invade the Catholic Church under cover.

Moral and honest people are repeled by a prayer that gives sanction to lying and even murder.


Fri, 11/13/2015 - 04:34 | 6785603 Johnny Horscaulk
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Theres zero evidence of a king solomon, or his riches, or empire, outside accounts written by revisionist jewish scribes centuries post the purported dates.

Just sayin'.

And the fake conversions were in fact a major reason for the expulsions from spain. and the fact jews had become a wealthy and privileged minority under muslim rule (jews had also aided the muslim conquest which was then well known)

http://www.culturewars.com/2003/RevolutionaryJew.html

And remember, 'that' was wrong, but the ethnic cleansing of Palestine is sacred.

The behavior of the Jewish elite and reliable translations of the Talmud's cryptoantichristian content caused antisemitism- it did not fall out of the sky as we are demanded to believe.

http://holywar.org/jewishtr/02hos.htm

All this said the common theme is the majority of jews who were blameless and good citizens being lumped in with fundamentalists and a wealthy elite.

Hence all the above said, B's defensiveness is wholly understandable.

On the other chand Jewish chauvinism and moral arrogance and racism, well attested by *Orthodox*rabbis today - and the ethnonepotism of Jews qua group, is a major vein of Judeophobia. One Jews qua group simply dismiss as 'antisemitism.'

chabad is racist and supremacist as fuck, but they get to light public menorahs all over the country to include the white house (rather, a space belonging to the WH right near it). Christmas trees are generally near it but it absolutely dominates. Oh and christmas trees are not religious symbols to any christian on earth.

Meanwhile the courts have rules it would be unconstitutional to have a nativity scene by itself On such a space. Ive walked past lone menorahs in boston and new york on public land many times (and its fine by me - i just object to the hypocrisy of allowing outright racist supremacists able to erect their magic symbol by itself because and only because thryre Jews)

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2001/12/crche_t...

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 00:07 | 6785209 V for ...
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Here is First World USA putting up with medievalists:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11991560/Lea..

The USA giving most foreign aid to a Zionist, supremacist, militarist sandpit called Israel which hates the Constitution of the USA,  defies the U.N. and all international law; refuses to make peace; and spies on the USA ruthlessly; takes from the USA ruthlessly.

Here is Israel the war criminal at it again this week, dressing up as Arabs while going to kidnap and kill in a hospital - while we Americans forgive them for their crimes against humanity, using our military and money:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11991560/Lea...

Since when does the first world put up with such butchery; medievalists dressing up as someone else and going into a hospital to kidnap and murder?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 00:13 | 6785252 V for ...
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Also, it was formerly known as British Honduras, therefore a pet of the Zionist City of London thieves. Pity for the people. Profit for the private banks and their political paid off fans.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 01:21 | 6785374 Lost in translation
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Is there any point to moving cash out of the US to Hong Kong if you don't live there? Doug Casey advocates strongly for that but he's a millionaire, I'm not. And although I'm back and forth to east Asia during the year, I have no business enterprise in HK and no HK ID.

What is Casey talking about?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 01:29 | 6785385 nnnnnn
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Rosenthal      

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 01:59 | 6785430 hedgiex
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The spirit of humankind now lies in running from one drying Oasis to yet another One. Culling is self imposed for no change in mindsets.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 02:16 | 6785453 spooz
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I don't get how the US freezing assets of drug cartels that are laundered in the US (under the Kingpin Act), keeping those in the US from doing business with them is wrong. I find it a positive sign when the war on drugs goes after the elite business and political figures that lauder money tied to drug trafficking, like the Rosenthal family, instead of only going after those who move the drugs.

After the US froze US assets, the Bank's solvency dropped below the legal limit and the Honduran government was forced to liquidate.  Although Honduras doesn't have an FDIC to guarantee deposits like we do in the US, the Honduran government took control of the banks assets in October, announcing it would guarantee up to $9,000 in deposits for savers . Though the distribution has been temporarily suspended by the government, the government says it will continue to pay depositors the insured funds after they have updated their databases.

This story looks to be another bunch of ZH hype.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 04:11 | 6785582 Johnny Horscaulk
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Oh its not wrong and comports with the law and past practice - some of these comments are beyond absurd.

The curious thing is a very heavily jewish treasury - esp the departments dealing with terror and drug m laundering (they are perplexed by isis revenue streams somehow) actually going after a Jewish oligarch.

Seriously - theres much more to this story. Wait and see.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 02:42 | 6785483 Jorgen
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E.U. politicians have been making sure that Europe will become a Third World continent (or at least their central and western parts) in our lifetime. Sweden is the leader but Germany, France and the U.K. don't want to fall behind:

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 08:26 | 6785800 SmallerGovNow2
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SCARY FUCKING SHIT!  No my CAPS lock was NOT on.  I WAS yelling...

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 11:15 | 6786440 Jorgen
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Yes, it is scary. Here is what George Soros, the puppet master, has to say about what Europe has to do:

First, the EU has to accept at least a million asylum-seekers annually for the foreseeable future. And, to do that, it must share the burden fairly – a principle that a qualified majority finally established at last Wednesday’s summit.

Adequate financing is critical. The EU should provide €15,000 ($16,800) per asylum-seeker for each of the first two years to help cover housing, health care, and education costs – and to make accepting refugees more appealing to member states. It can raise these funds by issuing long-term bonds using its largely untapped AAA borrowing capacity, which will have the added benefit of providing a justified fiscal stimulus to the European economy.

It is equally important to allow both states and asylum-seekers to express their preferences, using the least possible coercion. Placing refugees where they want to go – and where they are wanted – is a sine qua non of success.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 02:41 | 6785487 forputin
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67 RUB for 1 USD... fuuuuuck.. Putin do something! We russians are being fucked up!!!

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 05:31 | 6785637 Lucky Leprachaun
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They deserve it for letting someone with a name like Rosenthal run a bank. That wouldn't be allowed in a First World country. (cough)

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 05:49 | 6785646 SmittyinLA
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I wonder if that guy owns a lot of land where communists got exterminated?

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 06:48 | 6785688 Noplebian
Fri, 11/13/2015 - 07:17 | 6785713 JailBanksters
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Ready !!

I'm chomping at the bit waiting for normality to return and to end this Zion-mania

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 07:21 | 6785718 Johnny Horscaulk
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Heres crazy - putting an 87 year old woman in jail for the egregious crime of doubting that 6 million jews were murdered in german camps.

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/german-neonazi-87-jailed...

This is in Europe - where you may question any other historical even from the Irish Famine to the Jewishness of the Old Bolsheviks.

But now, even boycotting 'the jewish state' economically - AS ORGANIZED GLOBAL JEWRY DID TO THE GERMANS FOR *THEIR* BEHAVIOR...

Is a crime.

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/france-now-more-repres...

I am not myself a 'denier' or to any real extent a 'revisionist' - but I know what a pack of lies history in general is, would add the katyn forest massacre and the original deathcount at Auschwitz (fuck you and google it) as ww2 items later revised by the acceptable mainstream in the face of evidence long ignored and suppressed, and toss in the likely fact the Reichstag fire was actually not in fact a german false flag but really set by a communist which germany was lousy with (I dont know for sure and neither do you)

But this fucking shit where Israel and Jews are above criticism and boycott for war crimes or historically factual actions as a group is beyond crazy.

Whats next - will it be illegal for me but not a jew to reproduce the less savory passages of the Talmud? Is it hate to remark on hate if the hate is in a jewish text or mouth?

And note also - the instajunks that will follow - not one of thrm will dare even try to generate an argument as to why Im so bad for expressing these opinions.

Would they object to jailing an 87 year old For expressing an opinion about any other matter?

Well - it might depend on whether or not the 87 year old is just a goy or not.

This horseshit is rolling doen the hill. Already Jewish groups have gotten 'denial' to be a crimr in canada and are trying very hard in california and tryng very hard to ban all criticm of israel - especially reasonable, fact based criticism on college campuses.

They arent alone on enfascistating (to coin a term) The Academy - fuckers all of them.

Attacks on free speech are only the beginning of a long road toward the Hope Camps.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 08:36 | 6785813 GubbermintWorker
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If you don't  hold it, you don't own it.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 09:54 | 6786089 wobbleybob
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I have a good story related to the Rosenthal businesses in Honduras. 3 years ago in Cayman i was at a conference with investment professionals from around the latin community and met an attorney from Honduras who was at the conference. We got talking and he brought up that a certain wealthy family in Honduras owned a large bank that few from outside the family got to see inside. He also noted that the family owned an enormous crocodile farm with thousands of large crocs and that it was no secret that people spent there last moments in that farm,

Now it appears the family was a drug laundry business makes the stories even more chilling

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 10:33 | 6786253 Oldrepublic
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Regarding that picture of the angry depositors in front of that bank in Honduras, note that they all appear to be pure white, Whites composes only 1% of total population of that country.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 11:08 | 6786416 Bemused Observer
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This is why I can't take these people seriously. Jailing someone for "Holocaust denial"? Wtf?

Who cares if someone denies a historical event? What does it do to hurt YOU, or anyone else? Leave them to their delusions.

I think it's silly to argue that masses of people were not killed in those camps. Arguing over whether they were Jews, or some other minority group, is just ridiculous. But since when does a civilized country JAIL people who hold silly ideas?

Do the numbnuts not realize that by doing this shit, they actually give those people more 'cred'? They make it seem as though there's something there, they give the argument validity by deeming it worthy of official punishment.

They took a crazy old lady who no one ever heard of, and put her name in the news. Now that she has been jailed for her beliefs, many weak-minded persons will now get to hear all about her ideas. In jail, she becomes a martyr and gets an audience...

Morons.

Fri, 11/13/2015 - 11:10 | 6786423 Bemused Observer
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I actually meant this as a reply to Johnny Horsecaulk's comment below...not sure why it ended up here instead...

Sat, 11/14/2015 - 07:06 | 6791108 Don in Odessa
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Desperate people throw fairness and morality out the window.

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