Why Preppers have it all wrong

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Prepping has not only gone mainstream, it's infected even the billionaire culture as referenced recently on a ZH article:

When it comes to “prepping”, many among the elite take things to an entirely different level.  As you will see below, the elite are willing to pay big money for cutting edge home security measures, luxury bomb shelters and superyacht getaway submarines. Some of the things that the elite are demanding for their own protection go beyond even what we would see in a James Bond film, and serving the prepping needs of the elite has become a multi-billion dollar business.  Meanwhile, the media outlets that the elite own continue to mock the rest of us for getting prepared.  All the time we see headlines like this one that appeared in a major American news source: “Preppers: Meet the paranoid Americans awaiting the apocalypse“.  Well, if we are paranoid for setting aside some extra food and supplies for the future, what does that make the people that you will read about in this article?

Financial prepping has been the mantra of the 'hedge' fund community since it started to exist.  Instead of just blindly buying stocks and hoping the market always goes up, 'hedge funds' provided a 'hedge' in case the market actually didn't go straight up.  Of course, this is now just for lazy investors, now it's possible to buy options for almost any situation, and insurance companies will sell insurance for anything - even being abducted by aliens (over 30,000 policies sold in Europe according to Geico).

Description of the prepper & background

So let's take the average prepper, metaphorically speaking.  You have your safe house, stockpile of supplies, food, ammo, tools, toilet paper, shortwave radios and other electronics powered by cranks, etc. etc. etc. (depending on how deep your infection).

Financially speaking, you keep your savings in a combination of cash (US Dollars, Euros, and Swiss Francs), gold, silver, bitcoin, and bearer bonds.  If you are really savvy, you're holding the paper on several nearby farms in a fair deal whereby they pay down their principle in cash and interest & fees in milk, beef, and in the summer vegetables.

You own several properties in the names of charities you've setup just for this purpose... ok you get the idea.  Take it to the extreme.  The estute prepper has done all this and more - he's ready for anything!

The problem

Now the calamity comes - whether it be a global pandemic, alien invasion, terrorists, the United Nations with foreign troop invasion - take your pick.  It's really bad, but you survive - because you are ready for anything!  So now you've survived - NOW WHAT?  

Do you come out of your bunker after the smoke has cleared?  What will you do all day?  What will other survivors do?  Will you try to communicate with other preppers?  What if in the process of that communication - you discover that you are a little more prepared than they, and they trick you into a meet whereby they kidnap you and force you at gunpoint to give up your safe location and supplies?  

What if there is a secret group of 'anti-preppers' who are right now preparing for ways to steal from preppers, based on their security flaws and lack of planning?  

What if there is a group right now setup by the government, who is monitoring preppers, that within 24 hours of said 'calamity' will be taken into custody (or otherwise dealt with).

What is to stop the military from seizing your supplies, and forcing you to join their chain gang?  

The problem is that in order to really be 'prepared' - one must strive to be a stronger fighting force than the strongest army in the world (be it whatever you think in your opinion) because in a real crisis, the only currencies are 1) intelligence and 2) accelerated lead.  Accelerated lead is a quickly depleting resource whereas intelligence can grow and be self-replicating.  

Prepping generally speaking is a good thing, to use example of global pandemic - if everyone in the world is prepared and follows WHO guidelines, the pandemic will not exist!  Probably the same could be true with financial markets.

The point here is to realize that like with anything - the popularization of 'prepping' has warped the purity of the concept.  

The idea itself - very noble.  But in practicality, in reality, if there is an apocalypse, where are you going to go shopping with your gold and silver coins?  

Especially in America where we like to do things to extremes (like eating for example) - we've taken prepping to a new fangled art form.  But it's this 'new level' that is the snake oil - not the concept of prepping.

Just in case

Mossberg sells a package "Just in Case" that includes survival kit, shotgun, all neatly packaged in a waterproof tube (that also can double as a flotation device).  It's a great analogy for the prepping movement.  It's a great thing to have - JUST IN CASE.  99% of buyers of this will never use it.  

But - IT'S BETTER TO HAVE IT AND NOT NEED IT, THAN TO NEED IT AND NOT HAVE IT!  -The Avid Prepper

Financial Prepping

What can one do to financial prepare themselves?  This completely depends on the situation, and depends on the extent you want to prepare for.  As a general rule, you just want to be more prepared than your neighbor, but only a little.  That means - forget about the kevlar suit that can withstand 1,000F burns, or the bitcoin wallet that can only be opened with one time pad; each hidden in 2 secure locations in Europe.

Also, forget this naive idea about hoarding physical gold or cash - as if it will help you.  You're just painting a target on your back!  Where will you spend this cash?

Some reasonable prepping steps to be a 'pure prepper' 

  • Have a healthy options portfolio
  • Take the other side (even if you don't agree with it)
  • Invest in some really crazy ideas - if everyone you know says 'don't do it - it's crazy' - DO IT!
  • Invest and trade LOCALLY, at least a little.
  • Keep multiple accounts open with different TYPES of brokerage firms/banks - not only the same institution where your 401k is.  Not all of them will die.
  • Participate in some class action lawsuits for securities or similar cases - even if you won't get a big payout.  When the dollar bubble really pops, you'll have a friend who can help you get 20 cents on the dollar from Bank of America.
  • Make some foreign connections, who may not be in the same predicament as most in America
  • As much as possible, try to do things for yourself.  Having your deck resurfaced?  Do it yourself!  Do your own research - don't rely on a service (and certainly not your broker!)  
  • Educate yourself!  Learn a foreign language, or study that course in wreath making you've been putting off for so long.  Remember, although the world is a large place - the majority of nuclear fuel rods are made by hand by Samurais in Japan:

Although Japan Steel Works is a major corporation with 5,000 employees, it also maintains a samurai sword blacksmith, in a small shack on a hill above the factory in Muroran, where a single craftsman still hammers steel into broadswords, as the company has done since 1917.

Just remember.  For those who think the apocalypse is coming - there are just as many who believe it's already here.  Just ask some Detroit residents.  

Looks like the Zombies have already invaded and destroyed our cities.  

 

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MoonSun's picture

Have your passport ready. Own gold, cash, bitcoin. Be able to proof your assets in case you need to be accepted to move to a different country. Most importantly, be discreet.

1033eruth's picture

Passports are easily canceled.  Note Eric Snowden.  Uncle Fraud has also passed a law that they will cancel your passport if you owe IRS a bunch of money.  The reasons for canceling a passport will continue to multiply.

shovelhead's picture

I can see where wreath-making could be a much in demand service in a global apocalypse.

Somebody who is sentimental would like to have something nice to place on those mass graves.

roddy6667's picture

I'm prepped. I already left the country. I have a Plan C, also.

There is always somewhere where life is good and there is no strife. If you are a world traveler, you can move around with ease. When Europe was killing itself by the millions in WWII, folks were at the opera in Argentina. It was only a boat ride away.

shovelhead's picture

Lots of smart Nazis found that was true.

roddy6667's picture

And lots of stupid Jews stayed put until it was too late.

Polymarkos's picture

The author is an idiot and does not understand prepping.

shovelhead's picture

Quick rule of thumb guide:

Anyplace with a MLK Boulevard is a good place to avoid.

tarabel's picture

 

 

See? At times, the government does provide a useful service. Renaming streets for the benefit of hapless tourists is one of them.

Amy G. Dala's picture

So true.  "MLK" is shorthand for "unmitigated shithole."

honestann's picture

Mostly stupid article by someone who pretends they know how to prepare... but in fact has no freaking clue whatsoever.  His batting average on prep ideas is horrible.

How about the most sensible single idea, namely "get the hell outta dodge"... if you happen to live in the evil empire of any of its allies.  Hell, just being within a fictitious nation where you're considered a "visitor" (guest) rather than "citizen" (slave) has huge benefits.

The notion that one must be prepared to "fight the predators-that-be" is absurd.  Unless one has a large number of well organized and prepared allies (capable of overthrowing the predators-that-be), the smart move is always to EVADE the predators-that-be... and other predators too for that matter (human and animal).

If one can avoid, evade and/or escape, one never need practice self-defense.  But one should also be well prepared to practice self-defense in case avoid/evade/escape becomes impractical.

Probably the second most important move is to buy a small farm (somewhere far from dodge... in the southern hemisphere), or just buy a modest place to live with an acre or more of space to grow a large garden [and raise chickens (and cows)].

And sure, stock up the farm with plenty of food, water, seeds, fuel, generator, growing equipment and supplies, and other popular prepper items (lots of TP).

In case anyone is interested, three friends of mine are currently setting up self-sufficient luxury digs in safe places "outta dodge" (though one of the locations is technically within the USSA, but still safe, secure and viable when the SHTF).  They need one or two more partners to make these extremely comfortable places viable.  If you may be interested, let me know.  Two are in the southern hemisphere, the one within USSA territory on an obscure island.

nofluer's picture

And sure, stock up the farm with plenty of food, water, seeds, fuel, generator, growing equipment and supplies, and "other popular prepper items (lots of TP)."

Ummm... how many cows were you planning to raise on an acre? ROTFLMBO!!! (To say nothing of the fact that cows are what you'd call "mobile food" and will become mobile as soon as someone else sees them)

The only thing worth bothering with in your list of "supplies" is "seeds" and seeds have to be grown and renewed regularly. (e if you stuff a crap load of seeds in a baggie and hold them until the SHTF, there's an excellent chance that they won't germinate when the SHTF and you starve anyway.

As to "plenty of TP" ROTFLMBO!!! Why? Better to learn how to make soap from the ashes of your wood fires and possum grease, then just periodically WASH your ass, and in between washings, figure out which leaves will not give you a horrible ishy rash. (Poison ivy, etc.)

Water? How long you gonna live on your stored water? better to figure out how to purify water - after you find a SOURCE of water. (Mud puddles suck!)

honestann's picture

I love chicken, so I only have chickens.  So you got me... I don't know how many cows per acre or acres per cow is reasonable.

The more rural you are, the fewer people will even know whether you have cows or not.  And the fewer people will be wandering around, even after the SHTF.

I don't have a problem with your comments about TP and so forth.  I just note that most folks not experienced in chemistry or farming may not know how to do fancier things.  BUT... I encourage people to learn how to become as completely self-sufficient as possible.

Nonetheless, I know most people won't learn everything, or set themselves up to be able to produce everything.  Though I've gone much, much, much further than most preppers, there are things I can't make either.  For example, I don't have a fab line to make ICs (integrated circuits).  Or even the ability to make PC boards.

But I do have everything I need to survive and enjoy a comfortable life for decades even if every other human being on the planet vanishes or dies.

For example, I have a permanent source of pristine clean water.  In the almost impossible event the water becomes unclean, I also have a high quality water purification system with boatloads of extra supplies to keep it working.  I finally got to the point where I grow all my food, even my spices.  My only meat is chickens though, which is okay with me.  I have about 5x more solar-panels than I need to supply the power I need, so as the efficiency degrades over many decades, I'll still have plenty of power.  Ditto on batteries.  Ditto on gasoline for my tiny airplane (which gets 70+ mpg at economy speed).  I have no car now, and don't need one.  Plus, my place can no longer be reached by ground vehicle.

However, I'm not saying everyone should spend $400K to set themselves up as thoroughly as I have.  Everyone has their own tradeoffs.  But just because someone doesn't go as far as me, doesn't mean they can't get themselves into a much better situation.  Maybe they'll only need to survive for 6 months or 2 years without effective trade.  If so, it is much easier to "buy and store" than buy everything necessary to become 100% self-sufficient like me.  Plus, to set yourself up like me, you need to keep the greenhouse running on a permanent basis, keep the chickens cared-for on a permanent basis, and lots of other preparation and ongoing effort.  Not everyone needs that.  Not everyone wants that.  Not everyone can afford that (I was a frugal saver for many years, and had to spend 90% of my savings to set myself up).

PS:  I probably should learn to make soap!  I have a huge supply of soap, but also I've found alternatives.  For example, since I have so much more water than I need, and plenty of power to make it hot, I can take long hot showers as often as I want, and/or lounge around or swim in my well heated endless pool as long as I want.  Given this, I've found I don't really need much soap or shampoo for personal care any more.  And I've found ways to minimize my need for other kinds of soap too.  For example, I always wash my dishes immediately, and thus never need soap for that, since hot water is sufficient when nothing has dried and bonded to the dish or utensils.  Yes, lots of tiny simple tricks to become less dependent on external supplies.

nofluer's picture

Some very interesting information:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-12/shocking-little-known-facts-abo...

Might give you some idea about what kind of crap-storm is coming... regardless of what else may or may not come, this one is certain.

Re the whole prepper thing... the better you get at dong the bsic, essential to life things, the better off you'll be. things like starting fires without lighters or modern tools (fire bows, etc), learning to successfully set snares and traps for small game and bigger game... maybe how to cure and use animal by-products like hides, etc. ie the more basic you can get, the better your chance of survival regardless of how deep the crap gets.

honestann's picture

Yes.  Only some of those skills apply to me given where I live.  However, I agree with your principle... learn every self-sufficiency skill you can.

I tend to go "high tech" where others go "low tech" or "no tech".  However, I also have "low tech" or "no tech" backups for any system where the "high tech" solution can stop working.  For example, wood matches and a box of 100 lighters.  But I should probably have a fire bow too... as a "last straw" backup.

You'd be amazed how long I wear clothes before they're too worn out to wear!  I'm pretty sure I have enough clothes for the rest of my life... though they'd be a bit ratty at the end.

I don't depend on wild food sources.  I have very neat, clean and efficient greenhouses, plus a separate area further away for my chickens (beyond "stink distance", though now I know how to raise them in ways that are mostly neat, clean and low-stink).  They have lots of room to run around, sorta pseudo free-range style.

I've never borrowed a dime in my life, so I have no debt.  Of course, I have little savings after building this place, because it took 90% of my life savings.  But now my expenses are literally zero.  Not kidding.  The only time I spend money any more is when I fly a long way (more than the 4000km range of my plane) and need to refuel somewhere remote... or when I want to buy something I don't really need (which I rarely do, since I habituated my extreme frugal behavior over my whole lifetime and thus don't feel deprived).

I am so far outta sight, outta mind where I live (and not even accessible by land vehicle), that nobody will ever find me or hassle me when the SHTF.  I'm really "out there" in every sense of the phrase.

EndOfDayExit's picture

This is all fine and dandy, and very respectable. However... what's the contigency plan for when you may one day need, say, a surgery on a short notice (think appendectomy)? Or when one day your small plane engine does not start for whatever reason? Just to perish and "nobody will ever find" you?

honestann's picture

Well, I'm willing to take my chances.  I lived alone and operated a remote scientific research station for 7 years, so I'm quite used to solitude and independence.

I won't pretend disaster is impossible in my situation, or in any situation, including living in a fully-equipped first-world city.  However, humans are dangerous!  Which means, in my opinion, living in a city is more dangerous than living alone in the extreme boonies.  Neither is completely safe.  Life cannot be completely safe.

But... just for fun, let's consider the situations you mention.

#1:  I need surgery.  Unless I'm incapable of flying my airplane, I can take-off and land at a major hospital in less than one hour (top [approved] speed for my airplane is 300kph).  If I am not able to pilot my airplane, then I can contact one of my friends in the southern hemisphere via internet and ask them to do whatever they can to help me out.  In the worst case they'd have to tell a medical helicopter where to fetch me, which would blow my privacy a bit (though hopefully they wouldn't realize that I never tell anyone where I live, and thus not make a big deal about that).  The other answer to this question is... I eat healthy and live healthy, so I am unlikely to need emergency care.  But of course it is possible.  If my internet is down when I have a health emergency, I might indeed be screwed.  That's very unlikely, but if that happens, that's the breaks.

#2:  My airplane won't start.  I have spare parts for most components that would prevent my airplane engine from starting, or airframe from flying.  Plus, I have the service manuals for my engine (Rotax 912iS), and can probably fix most problems without help.  But obviously I don't have every component, and could encounter a problem that I can't diagnose or fix.  In which case, I'd have to contact someone to come fix my engine, or drag my airplane behind a vehicle to get fixed (the wings are easy to remove and replace).  The later is a problem however, because land vehicle access to my location does not exist.

#3:  I'm willing to accept the risks of living where I do.  I lived and worked alone at a scientific reserach station at a more problematic location for 7 years, and accepted the risks there too.  I'd rather live an extraordinary life with more risk than a boring life with little obvious risk.  Nonetheless, it is my considered belief that the extra risks at my place are more than offset by the increased risk of living in populated areas.  Why?  Because human beings are the biggest danger and risk of all... and I'm completely free of that danger at my current location.  And if the SHTF, nobody will bother me, or even know anyone exists out here in the middle of nowhere.

Manipuflation's picture

OK, Honest Ann is on the job here already because that article was pissing me off.  I like her.  

Ann, does your Rotax have those L-shaped piston rings?

Ann, I loved visiting Idaho probably for the same reason you love Alaska.  I understand.  You still need interaction with other humans or you would not post here.  If you are that remote how are you getting internet access?  

 

honestann's picture

I don't know about the piston rings without checking the documents.  But my engine is the Rotax 912iS (the fuel injected model), in case that answers your question.  If they made 912iS engines with more than one type of piston ring, then I have no idea!

I'm sure I'd love the boonies of Alaska in some ways, but I used to live in Hawaii, not Alaska (easy to confuse, since both are "not on the mainland).  But not easy to confuse in terms of climate!  Hahaha.

I describe my internet setup in other messages here (in the past day or two).  The short answer is, my personal connection is to a high-speed trunk near a city ~250km from here.  Between there and where I live in the boonies I had to personally install and configure relay stations at high points.  The origin station in the city is very obscure and not directional, which means "no way to tell which direction from there to my place".  The relay stations and my place are directional, which thus requires much less power at great distances.  My total cost was about $2000 for the setup.  I have a personal aversion to "ongoing expenses", so the best part of this setup for me (besides the high speed of the connection) is zero monthly expenses (due to a trade and kindness from someone at the origin point).  In contrast, satellite internet is cheap at the start, but has a high monthly expense... forever.  I just hate ongoing expenses, and invested a lot of time, effort and expense to set myself up to have literally ZERO ongoing expenses (which is what self-sufficiency is all about).

Every now and then I feel the urge to stop reading and posting at ZH.  I assure you, I do not NEED this interaction.  When I lived alone at the research station for 7 years, I had no form of communication, no television, no radio, no nothing.  I'd go get mail from my POB and buy supplies at ~3am once every 3 months or so, and otherwise never see or have contact with another human being.  That was the happiest time of my life... up until living here alone now.  So... understand there is a difference between need and want.  And I'm not sure I even want.  Don't be surprised when I stop reading and posting on ZH someday.  Given how my brain works, once I stop, I will probably never start again.

EndOfDayExit's picture

Upvoted, and much appreciate the reply :)

Amy G. Dala's picture

Chickens are key if you're staying put for a period of time.  Little bastards eat bugs and pump out eggs.  You can live a looooong time on even a single egg per day.

honestann's picture

Yes, chickens are great for me, because I love eggs and chicken.  It took me a while to figure out how to raise chickens with minimal mess, clutter and stink.

But now I've got that part nailed down.  And I have so much empty space here, it was no hassle to put them "downwind" and beyond "odor & noise distance".

bluskyes's picture

You can drink piss once it's passed through a properly built sand filter.

are we there yet's picture

A cheap bretta filter would taste better. Also, you may not have access to proper sand.

alphahammer's picture
alphahammer (not verified) honestann Nov 12, 2015 10:14 AM

 

Nice advatorial...

So, prep queen, how exactly does someone "get out of dodge" when millions are also trying to get out of dodge? On foot? Secret helicopter in the garage? Horseback?

C'mon... if millions are all trying to "get out of dodge" at the same time -- thats the last place you'd want to be. Think commute traffic 1,000 times worse with a Mad Max movie thrown in...

BTW. The most interesting thing about preppers is their sneaky (kinda) ability at being "apocalypse entrepreneurs". As witnessed above...

Raging Debate's picture

Alpha - You make a good point and Honestann admits most people cant do what he does and live in isolation. As I said above, your better off having enough food, luxuries and weapons to become a warlord. Then after that if you have to get out out of dodge you have your own platoon to do that with. Where do I get that from? The Russians when the Soviet Union collapsed. 

Do you know what else they told me in importance of preps? Have cards or boardgames so you dont go mad with boredom. Sure they gave advice like watch out for a well dressed guy tricking you to let you in there camp or how to set up your own little barter house. They said most people are civil but you have that place armed so when some asshole tries to plot to steal it you beat the crap out of them or shoot them to discourage anybody else from trying it. 

They shared rationed energy going from one home to another for a short time. It tells me unless you have a full scale nuclear war you can be just fine. 

 

 

 

J Jason Djfmam's picture

Get the big dump truck with the greased up spreader plow. (See Myth Busters.)

honestann's picture

You get outta dodge WHILE YOU STILL CAN.  I moved to the southern hemisphere about 4 years ago and set up my self-sufficient digs in the extreme boonies ~125km from the nearest human being.

To be sure, I went to greater extremes that most people would, and greater extremes that people need to.  But I love peace, quiet and solitude.  Plus, I had enough savings to set up a self-sufficient place in the boonies, which cost nearly $400K when all was said and done.

Yes, people will have a terrible time once the SHTF, or once the predators-that-be close the exit doors at the gulag borders.  That's why people should prepare long in advance.  Hence the cliche, "better a decade too soon than a second too late".

When I say "get the hell outta dodge", I don't mean "move 20 miles out of the city".  I mean "get the hell outta dodge", where "dodge" is the evil empire or any if its allies.  Which means, get out of the nations with the most egregious predators-that-be.

Yes, some people are taking advantage of preppers by selling over-priced goods and goodies to them.  And that's sad.  But also sad is people selling ANY goods or goodies at too-high prices.  The bottom line is, people need to do a little research before they load up their shopping carts, enter their credit card number, and press the BUY button.

gaoptimize's picture

Would you like some company?

honestann's picture

I tried to find partners/collaborators for years, but finally gave up and created my digs entirely on my own.  I didn't literally construct the pieces of my digs, but I did design the place, contract to have the modular pieces constructed, research and order the components, and finally assemble, integrate and troubleshoot almost everything.

I sure would have enjoyed some help back then!  Now that I'm all done and my life savings is mostly vaporized by this effort, finally people want to move in.  Figures!  I don't blame them!  Hahaha.  Wish I could have.

However, I have friends who are actively planning three larger, more luxurious self-sufficient places in three very different places.  One in a remote spot in south america, one in a very private and rural oceanfront spot in NZ that is only 30 minutes from "town" by motorboat, and the other is golden-white beachfront on a large sparsely populated tropical island within the territory of the USSA.

The first (in south america) is empty land, so they'll be developing everything, including all the self-sufficient infrastructure.  The second (in NZ) already includes a large luxurious home on many (~40) acres that is already partially/largely self-sufficient (solar-heat, water source/storage, gardens, pier).  The third already includes a large luxurious home on several acres that is already partially/largely self-sufficient (solar-panels, water collection/storage, fruit/nut trees but no garden yet).

I describe these in more detail below in another reply.  If you or others are interested, contact me here and I'll put you in touch with the appropriate people.  They would love some company (as in partners/investors/collaborators).

Creepy Lurker's picture

Ann, how remote can you be if you've got internet? (serious question)

honestann's picture

I had to set up relay stations at intermediate high points.  I could have opted for satellite internet (from just about anywhere on the planet).  But that would cost much more, potentially reveal my location, and would never have anywhere near as much bandwidth.  Total cost was less than $2000 including the small solar panels and batteries required to power the relay stations.

nofluer's picture

Creepy - they're doing AMAZING things with satellites these days! :-D

Creepy Lurker's picture

Yeah I guess if you don't mind waiting 10 minutes for your homepage to load.

nofluer's picture

Ours costs $120 a month and we can access the Corp VPN and the only time there's a service issue is when there's a big storm overhead.

Buster Cherry's picture

I remember hurricane Rita, which was the one right after Katrina. It was supposed.to hit Houston, but struck east of it. Katrina was fresh on the mind, and people freaked.

I remember Hwy 6 being jammed for days, the state finally opened opposing lanes.of.freeways.so people could get out. The cars that ran.out.of.gas just running the ac in the Texas heat littered the shoulders. Every gas station was dry.

It was.an eye opener.

 

I'm glad to have had a motorcycle, because that was the only way you could get.anywhere without an hours.long wait in the heat.

roddy6667's picture

A moped is great. You can go 300 miles on 3 gallons of gas. I live in China where you can see a family of four on a 50cc bike, or a guy delivering bottled water with 10 full jugs on one. The can go down footpaths and dirt roads. It's also very low profile. If you have a helmet with a tinted visor, nobody knows who you are.

Polymarkos's picture

You clearly do not understand prepping. You are being stupid.

tongue.stan's picture

"So now you've survived - NOW WHAT?"

Revenge.

Sweet, red, cathartic revenge.

It will become a raison d'etre.

People have long memories,

and the nsa is not the only one keeping a list.

 

SweetDougisaTwat's picture

My ex-wife's divorce attorney, my ex-wife, the family court officials.  Oh, what to do today?  What to do today?

Dickweed Wang's picture

"So now you've survived - NOW WHAT?"

Revenge.

 

Fucking A!!

pachanguero's picture

Revenge is part of the healing process.....

 

Buster Cherry's picture

I have a fantasy kill list.

 

The cross-eyed dude in the movie "Billy Madison" inspired me.

alphahammer's picture
alphahammer (not verified) tongue.stan Nov 12, 2015 10:17 AM

 

Revenge against who or what? Somehow, if the world shits itself you are going to get all your survival shit, put it on your back and then try and go and find something to take revenge on?

Good lord...

agent default's picture

You know those billionaires hiding in million dollar bunkers?  Weld the door shut.  That's how you get revenge.

tongue.stan's picture

Dumbass. It pleases me that you will be gone in the first wave.

 

SweetDougisaTwat's picture

Alphahammer is someone's ex-wife's divorce attorney

TimmyM's picture

Have fun in the FEMA camp dude.

Who was that masked man's picture

The best preppers are already stretched out on a beach on one of the smaller Tahitian islands surrounded by native girls, living on coconuts, bananas, and fresh fish.