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The Rational Reaction To A 'Government Unable To Protect Its Citizens'

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Following the attacks in Paris, gun sales are booming across the United States, not only from those who were already armed, but first time gun owners as well. "We were busy right out of the box," Russell Durling, owner of Last Resort Guns in Madison County, Alabama, told local station WAFF. "The truth of it is, when America is scared, America buys guns.”

 

Source: The Burning Platform

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We can only imagine what the situation is like in Austria now... after selling out of long-guns even before the Paris attacks!!

 

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Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:06 | 6825293 Muddy1
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Damn straight, and I'm going to keep buying.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:06 | 6825296 0b1knob
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< Save yourself.

< Count on government protection.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:41 | 6825373 LowerSlowerDela...
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"The Rational Reaction To A 'Government Unable To Protect Its Citizens'"

Buy multiple guns (different purposes, each) and become proficient with them.  Protect yourself and your family from the Obama-son thugs.

 

Oh, yeah... and buy a lot of legal bills insurance becasue if/when you kill/wound an Obama-son who was about to kill you the Obama Just Us Department will go after you with the full force of the U.S. government.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:59 | 6825435 AlaricBalth
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If you rely on your government to protect you, who will protect you from the government.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:00 | 6825441 macholatte
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When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:52 | 6825619 greenskeeper carl
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Im not scared. I never asked the government to protect me, nor do I expect it to. Ill take care of myself, thank you very much

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 20:33 | 6825889 A Nanny Moose
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People are bad, therefre we need a government made up of people, to protect us from....uh....people.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 04:55 | 6830581 gladius17
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Accredited people

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:26 | 6825522 cougar_w
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I would like to imagine a scenario where Americans were able to protect themselves from their government.

I just can't.

Either the military (and militarized cops) stands down and refuses to attack the citizens -- essentially overthrow the government -- or they don't and we're toast.

Can there be any middle ground there? I don't see it.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 08:25 | 6826848 N2OJoe
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Sure there is a middle ground. Enough people get angry and militant enough to resist (We're not even close to that point yet) and assassinate political figures,  jackboots, and/or their families in their homes, cars, etc.

Remember, they are people too. They live in neighborhoods and have families etc. They are just as vulnerable to "us" as we are them and they are keenly aware that. As long as we are armed, that threat is VERY real to them, regardless of how unlikely. It is also the sole reason why they are so desperate to disarm us.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:39 | 6825385 MalteseFalcon
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The "government" hates an armed America, because it severely limits "policy options".

Here is a stifled policy option:

Obama's "internal federal police force" is hastily assembled from new "Syrian" "refugees", with an officer corps drawn from "DHS".  Then the policy is something out of the USSR vs. Kulak playbook. 

"DHS" issues a bunch of restrictive, totally unconstitutional regulations.

All black SUVs start riding around the countryside. 

Midnight raids.

Hidden "Security camps."

"Enhanced interrogation".

Media blackout.

"The disappeared."

It could look more like Argentina or Chile.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:10 | 6825467 lincolnsteffens
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@ Maltese Falcon

"Obama's "internal federal police force""

It was also George W's and will be a new Chief Executive Officer's. Federal police is a deceptive term used in place of "A Standing Army" which is prohibited from the land except in territory ceded to the Federal Government. I would imagine that a state Governor could ask for troops from the Federal Government in an emergency such as being attacked by a foreign power.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:23 | 6825506 BarkingCat
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Standing army is prohibited except in times of war, period.
The federal government has never been in compliance with this article of the Constitution.
I guess they can technically claim that they are in compliance because the Korean was has never ended.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 20:04 | 6825809 XitSam
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Korean War was not declared. Police action only.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 20:37 | 6825903 A Nanny Moose
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We have always been at war with EastAsia.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:34 | 6825561 MalteseFalcon
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It was just an example and there could be any number of possibilities. 

Obama was the president who promised a new, large internal security force, so I selected his example.  Obama's force had nothing to do a standing army.  It was an attempted end run around posse comitatus and the constitution.

I don't remember 'W' mentioning the concept.

And armed Americans are useful against enemies foreign and domestic.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:43 | 6825755 rocker
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"W" gave us "Homeland Security", a whole new branch of government, so he could shelter Cheney's misdeeds. The CIA, FBI and Secret Service was to open to logical thinking of many. Although, it was Papa B who openly expressed his approval of The New World Order, (NWO).   

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 08:28 | 6826861 N2OJoe
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W wasn't dumb enough to state his intentions outright but O campaigned on it, resulting in a slew of juicy soundbites.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:58 | 6825431 Fukushima Fricassee
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 <Save yourself. From Government protections

< Count on government protection. 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:01 | 6825439 fockewulf190
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The unelected Euro weenies in Brussels are now trying to push through an EU wide ban on almost all firearms.  Even crazier, a ban on all signal pistols and deactivated weapons,  because they could be converted into real weapons again. How much longer will you be able to buy a rifle in Austria?  

It really does suck that you can´t even own a paltry .22 rifle for home defence here in Germany.  No choice but to make sure my compound bows and crossbow are in working order as well as having a trustry, sharp as hell, gladius on the side.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:14 | 6825476 G.O.O.D
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Busted down to medieval weapons. Invaded by head choppers. Must suck to be you.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:29 | 6825517 lincolnsteffens
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There are no Massachusetts government restrictions on guns that use black powder such as replicas and genuine pre 1896 guns. Perhaps some European Nations have a similar law as well as many or all the united States.

In Constitutional Law of the USA and all the states there is a lawful right for anyone to keep and bear arms. There is no limitation on that. All US corporate officers refuse to acknowledge that they have no authority to keep an American Citizen from exercising that right. Most Americans have never studied what their rights are and how to protect them from unlawful seizure by government. Most don't even know there is a lawful process to keep your rights from being taken. Almost no Americans are willing to battle in court and possibly loose their case because of legal complexity, ignorance and government deception.

Please notice that I did not refer to "US Citizens"  as that term can mean someone who has a contractual duty to comply with Federal or State government regulations.

The above is my interpretation and not a statement of facts.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:56 | 6825627 MalteseFalcon
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Well lincolnsteffins, you certainly paid attention in civics class.

Your comments have little to do with the reality in 2015 America, however.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 20:10 | 6825829 o r c k
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So what happens when the migrants secure a few thousand AK's from the sacred and un-inspected basements of the Mosques on every street corner ?

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 04:58 | 6830583 gladius17
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"... as well as having a trustry, sharp as hell, gladius on the side."

My reputation precedes me. Pleased to be of service.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:12 | 6825310 Noplebian
Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:21 | 6825337 stant
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Don't build a ar 15 from scratch, because you will build another. And then another.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:35 | 6825370 nmewn
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True story, I'm driving home just this last Friday and I look down at my muted phone and I've missed a call from one of my best friends from High School, so I call him back.

I'm like, wassup?...long pregnant pause and I'm thinking oh shit somethings wrong.

Well it turns out another of our buddies son (a former Marine) got woke up in the middle of the night by a noise, grabs his Glock and draws a bead between the eyeballs of one of them in his house and say's "Get the fuck out or you're dead."

At this point I'm relieved AND laughing my ass off...lol...then a pause again...and he says "Ya know, I've been thinkin."

Now ____ is not some prog but we've argued/disagreed over gun rights, him re-stating the old trope about "No one needs an AK to kill a deer." and me saying while an AK can be used to kill a deer it's more for killing men and your rights & obligations when using it or any gun.

Long story short, he wants his first gun at the age of 58 as a result of all this bullshit going on now. I told him I'd bring a 9 and a .357 when we meet up in the woods this year and he can try them out.

He has seen the light ;-)

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:46 | 6825400 847328_3527
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I love those .357's. I tried one at the range last month. Very reliable. I may need to buy one.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:59 | 6825433 NoDebt
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My brother's got me back into wheel guns a couple years ago.  They definitely have their place.  The safety is "don't pull the trigger" and they never jam or misfeed.  Hit a dead round?  Just pull the trigger again.

That's why I've got one as my "nightstand gun" (.357 Magnum, but I keep it loaded with .38 spl +P rounds so it doesn't travel through to the next house on the block before it stops).  I don't know about you, but if I gotta go into home-defense-mode at 3am out of a dead sleep I don't want to be fooling around with a safety or having the presence of mind to clear a misfeed.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:29 | 6825535 G.O.O.D
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Problem: I don't know about you, but if I gotta go into home-defense-mode at 3am out of a dead sleep I don't want to be fooling around with a safety or having the presence of mind to clear a misfeed.

 

Solution: Glock

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:25 | 6825710 Newbie lurker
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I have put over 10,000 rounds through my glock 22 and never had one malfunction of any kind. True story.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:58 | 6825434 Johnny Horscaulk
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i use an .88 magnum.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:18 | 6825490 G.O.O.D
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A Sig 357 is about as sweet as they come. Semi auto with some authority. But I am a dyed in the wool 1911 type as I don't  want to have to shoot them twice. So, I make mine a 45.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:34 | 6825556 nmewn
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I call the .357 "the house gun". Everyone who lives here knows where it is and everyone knows how to shoot it, even in a panic.

It's a Ruger GP100, stoked with Hydra-Shoks, I love the gun. It's reliable, hefty but not too heavy, good natural pointing characteristics, at least for me.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:08 | 6825664 Sturm und Drang
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+1000 on the GP-100. Have the Wiley Clapp, loaded with Underwood Defenders in .357 Mag and a Hogue grip. Love the trigger, double-action is sweet. Absolutely fetching in a Bianchi #111 Cyclone leather OWB holster.

An insane firearm is the Coonan 1911 in .357 Mag loaded with Federal C357B. Never had an issue with that ammo in that pistol - ever. Horizontal shoulder holster with four mag pouches opposite.

Marlin 1894C (.357 Mag 158Gr JHP) overhead on the truck headliner, S&W 642 in the glove box (.38SP +P JHP), and a Glock 27 always within reach.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:19 | 6825688 Urban Redneck
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I put Williams fiber optics, a Wilson spring set, and Hogue grips on every one of my GP100s and keep one in most of the parent proof pistol boxes that litter house.  I'll never get my money back (adjusted for inflation) but I know what I like, and what works with the broadest cross section of the adults that have the combinations. 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:43 | 6825756 nmewn
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lol..."parent proof"...I like that. 

I guess its a little different everywhere and what people are comfortable with or the legalities involved.

Around here most kids can shoot (and respect what a gun is and can do) at a very early age, I started squire out around six years old (audible gasp!...lol) because of his interest in mine and knowing he would be exposed to them at a friends or wherever.

It was pretty simple really (he's a smart kid, well now, young man) I took him out back with that very same GP100. I said feel the bark on that pine tree, hit it if you want to. Now feel your skin, different, softer?

Yes.

Then I blew a hole through the tree, now do you understand?

He got it on the first lesson ;-)

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 22:18 | 6826187 milking institute
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Never owed a gun nor fired one but am seriously looking into it.will be heading to the range next week to lose my virginity...lol. considering a shotgun vs revolver,any suggestions for this novice? used vs new? thanks in advance.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 08:00 | 6826814 nmewn
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Whichever way you decide get quality, don't skimp, I always tell myself is my life (or the life of my loved ones) worth risking to save a hundred dollars or so and I would suggest the revolver...simply because it's easier to manipulate for a second shot and handle in a hallway.

If you know you're going into close quarters combat outdoors against multiple opponents, I prefer a shotgun otherwise stay with the wheel gun (the revolver). As you become more familar with tactics and get used to being around guns you'll get your shotgun but for now, I suggest the revolver.

And then practice, practice practice, with your weak hand too (your dominant hand might be injured in a fight).

Regards ;-)

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:46 | 6825401 cougar_w
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He won't get a permit to conceal-carry, and will probably lock the gun up in a safe (because it is the right thing to do). Unless he plans on open-carry on a daily basis having a gun won't do much except make him feel better. Most counties won't allow any kind of carry, and most cities won't either, so you can't even travel armed and you are stuck being able to open-carry in your back yard -- until some roided up cop decides you look like an easy take-down to put another notch in his pistol grip.

I don't get most of this.

It's security theater.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:22 | 6825502 G.O.O.D
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It is simple, stay out of Commiefornia and Illinois and you can pretty much carry a gun everywhere else except NY and JewJersey. Know the laws for each state and NEVER let a cop do a search without a warrant and your attorney present.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:29 | 6825532 cougar_w
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"NEVER let a cop"

Bang. In the head. Everything you advised is suicidal in the current theater of operations.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:32 | 6825548 G.O.O.D
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WTF are you talking about. If you are polite but firm and the camera is filming into the cloud, and THEY KNOW IT, you are in the drivers seat.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:59 | 6825641 cougar_w
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Polite but firm.

Oh and you added a camera, and he has to know it's working, and you have witnesses I suppose so he doesn't just take the camera off the dash and throw it in the weeds right after shooting you in the head.

Yeah sure with all that.

You can go first.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:12 | 6825669 G.O.O.D
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Lol you are too much, but if the scenario in which you speak is indeed the case, then one just gets out with an AR and starts shooting.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 22:16 | 6826182 Shift For Brains
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You're giving a lot of good advice in your posts. What has ALWAYS worked for me (from IRS interrogations to side of the road encounters with police) is very crisp, professional courtesy for them personally and absolutely unyielding of your rights. I have worked around police for years. One of the reasons so many of them are ready to go off on people is because they run into total assholes all the time. If you don't think that would make your expect trouble on stops, you must be a saint.

When you know what the law is, give the cop no problem on what is demanded of you by your state law and refuse to give one inch on your rights, you will generally find you are not going to get in over your head. As a matter of fact, I suggest memorizing the legal terms that are used like "reasonably articulable suspicion." They won't run into one in hundred who knows that level of the law. You may THINK they can get away with anything but the vast majority of them are not ready to sink their career and pension tangling with someone who knows the law much, much better than they do. Same is true of IRS. The problem is when your ego takes over and you want to show off...bad idea. Just make sure they are rattled enough to think, "Do I want to risk my career over one ticket?" That's all. Cops have discretion. They can get away with a lot...or let you skate. Make sure you give them a really good reason to do the latter.

 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:39 | 6825577 Ralph Spoilsport
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It's really hard to get a CC permit in Maryland. Even if your local sheriff will vouch for you in writing. Thanks Martin O'Malley. 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:39 | 6825578 nmewn
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"He won't get a permit to conceal-carry, and will probably lock the gun up in a safe (because it is the right thing to do)."

lol...what happened cougar, somebody run over your puppy? 

I advised him not to get a CCL. I've never had one either (we both live in Fla) and don't plan on ever getting one, I don't ask the state for permission to exercise my rights...and...he doesn't own a safe.

I'm sure all of that must just terrify you ;-)

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:06 | 6825659 Ralph Spoilsport
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If cops in Maryland run your plates, your CCL will pop up. Things go downhill from there. You're giving good advice in my book.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:28 | 6825719 nmewn
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Yeah, that's my understanding of it too. 

Here's another one (kinda along those lines and every state is different)...I was heading to work going through Crystal River and got pulled by a DOT cop. He's like, didn't you see where it said state officer on my car when you blew by me? I said yeah. 

Well he was all fucked up about me thinking he couldn't pull me (some sort of ego trip or sumpin) cuz they mostly screw around with truckers.

Anyways, he asks me for my licence, registration (a local cop shows up too, a real production now, lights flashing, we got sumpin happenin here Fred!...lol) and then he says he needs proof of insurance...I'm like...hmmm...now that's in the glove box and I've got a pistol in there.

Then I was kinda shocked by what happened next...he says ok, is it in a holster?...I said yeah...he said just pull it out and lay it on the dash. So I did and then rummaged around and found the insurance card.

He knew the law in Fla...three moves to bring it into action...and it sat there on the dash while they ran everything through...he comes back and asks if I've ever been convicted of a felony...felon or not...of course not I say...lol...he gives his routine of how he's a "state officer" and gives me everything back...and best of all...no speeding ticket, just a slow down comment.

I'll tell ya, you just can't beat the South sometimes, maybe he was hungry ;-)

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 20:40 | 6825907 Ralph Spoilsport
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The MD transportation cops are like your DOT cops I guess. They're mostly the ones that act like jerks when they know you have a gun permit no matter what state it's issued in. They are also sitting by the side of the road scanning license plate numbers and pulling people over for insurance and registration violations. Since they are state cop rejects, they have a bad attitude to begin with.

I'm glad you escaped without a ticket and still have your piece. MD used to be more like the South but the state has suffered from decades of Democratic corruption and incompetence. The people are great though. Cross over into Delaware and certain counties in PA and you know you ain't in Dixie no mo'.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 21:18 | 6826012 nmewn
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Yeah, I know about the people in MD, it wasn't always like that and we all tend to generalize based on what diktat has been shoved down everyones throat, I'm as guilty as the prog who does the same about the Deep South.

They'd be surprised at how many actually went to college, got their degree and didn't get dumbed down/propagandized to the point they can't tear down an engine in their sleep or feed themselves or have the need or desire of some sponsored "safe place"...lol.

It's in the genes ;-)

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:51 | 6825416 NoDebt
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That's a cool story.  

I've taken several of my anti-gun friends out to the range for the first time.  I've found most of them aren't really anit-gun, they've just been taught to be scared of guns by everyone around them- like it's going to go off and start gunning down everyone in the room all by itself or something.  I explain it's just a tool like a hammer or wrench.  It has a specific job it's built to perform and when used for that purpose it does it's job well.

Usually by about the third magazine they don't have the yips any more, the fear is gone and they're enjoying this unique little tool they're holding in their hands.  Every hit on paper brings a little smile.  Some that's as far as they ever go, but others end up buying their own after a while.

All, that I can report from my own personal experience, at least come away with the understanding that the proper attitude towards a firearm is RESPECT, not fear.

 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:47 | 6825599 nmewn
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Yep, get quality, take care of them, treat em with respect and they'll never let you down.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:58 | 6825432 duo
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Anyone who doesn't think an AK or a 30 round clip is necessary hasn't been out hunting wild pigs in the South. They're mean, are rarely alone, and their heads have bone half an inch think that bullets bounce off of.  But don't tell any of the liberals (especially the one from Arkansas) that.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:29 | 6825537 BarkingCat
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Must be a very special AK if it takes clips.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:52 | 6825620 nmewn
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The guys around here carry .44's in the woods, it's pretty thick where I'm at and they come out of nowhere. Most of the time they just take the tenderloin and leave the rest, there's so many of them now they've become a pest.

Thank you conquistadors...lol.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 23:28 | 6826327 InnVestuhrr
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You are SO RIGHT about the southern hogs !

I hunt them in Florida, where they are IMMENSE, HUGE, vicious, fast and when they are running at you, much harder to hit and stop than you predict. I use an M1A as primary and a .50cal Desert Eagle as backup.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:05 | 6825294 LawsofPhysics
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Yes, the gun manufactures, much like CAT, have been one of the best "buy the dip" stocks around.

 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:06 | 6825297 Normalcy Bias
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Thanks, Obama!

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:15 | 6825320 TeamDepends
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Choomboi will go down in history as the greatest gun salesman of all time. Before he was elected, we didn't own any. That was then.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:33 | 6825549 BarkingCat
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I am with you. I did not even consider buying a firearm until Ears got behind the big boy desk.
Many gun manufacturers owe him a big thanks....as do ammo manufacturers as well

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:37 | 6825568 Implied Violins
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Three years ago I had none, either, and actually believed that all handguns should be banned.

Then I read 'Unintended Consequences' and three Matt Bracken books, looked at what our leader is trying to do, and got religion.

Gonna trade up for a 9mm Kel-Tec Sub 2000 carbine with a folding stock on Tuesday. Already got the bedside .38.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 20:18 | 6825847 XitSam
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I'm predicting that November 2016 is going to make gun sales now look shabby.  Maybe ISIS, maybe Shrillery. Who knows but it will be gangbusters. Buy early to avoid the rush.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:10 | 6825306 RawPawg
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it's a toss-up on what scares POTUS the most

Putins Nukes Or a Fully Armed Mad Murica

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:13 | 6825314 Sudden Debt
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If they would allow guns for sale right now in Europe, there would be a backlog of years for sure.4

Here in Europe, if you catch a burlgar, you can go to jail if you beat him up or stab him!

 

 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:02 | 6825322 cowdiddly
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We don't have Burlgars or Bulgars here

But, we do have Alligator gars

We have cigars

and we have Nee-gars...................come to think of it, I need to check and see if ole Betsy needs cleaning

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:19 | 6825333 Normalcy Bias
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They want to spread that 'no right of self-defense' madness here in the U.S. as well, all while they and their families are constantly protected by armed security.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:30 | 6825357 Nobodys Safe
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Some fuckwit at work the other day can up to me and said. Do you think the founding fathers had AK's and AR's in mind with the second amendment? I replied I sure hope so and he quickly departed.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:21 | 6825497 In.Sip.ient
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Actually... the founding fathers had CANNONS

( yes real field artillery ) in mind when they wrote

the 2nd amendment... never mind that silly

rifle.

 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:06 | 6825658 nmewn
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Yeah that's another tired, brainless argument the progs use.

I just tell them the musket was the modern equivalent of the AK & AR at that time and watch them slink back to HuffPo & Democracy Now for further idiotic talking points ;-)

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 20:53 | 6825953 A Nanny Moose
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I ask if the Flounding Fodders imagined the Interwebz as speech.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 21:27 | 6826044 nmewn
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Zactly.

What the statists are starting to understand is the intertubes ARE the bills/tracts/pamplets tacked to the side of old wooden buildings for all the people to read.

And just as in the centuries before us, they really don't like the alternative to their bought & paid for media monopoly point of view being questioned in any way.

It has always been thus, nothing has changed, only the technology ;-)

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 01:28 | 6826505 Abaco
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Well, since they were perfectly happy woth privately owned warships, the most powerful weapons in existance at the time, I am certain they wouldn't object to AK's and AR's in the hands of the people.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:34 | 6825559 BarkingCat
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Please do not say "here in Europe". Not all countries in Europe are that fucked up yet.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:34 | 6825560 BarkingCat
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Please do not say "here in Europe". Not all countries in Europe are that fucked up yet.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 22:29 | 6826216 Shift For Brains
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I've been to Europe many times and find most Europeans to be wonderful people, generally better educated and more thoughtful than most my American acquaintances...present company excluded.

So I cannot for the life of me understand how things can get so upside down over there that defending yourself or your property becomes a crime. How can intelligent people look at that and not say, " This is madness"?

Where I live, everyone and his brother carries...women, too. And you know what? It's NOT a bloodbath or the OK Coral every night in most places in America. It's only in those cities that have outlawed decent citizens from owning weapons that you have really bad crime. We do have a lot of crime...but you NEVER have to feel like you have no defensive tools available. It's like second nature for a lot of us.

I have already made my mind up. I will NEVER give up my guns. Not because I'm a gun nut, like to play with them or think I'm Rambo. It's because that is the last stop before the camps. I would rather die in the street and take a couple with me than die of dysentery on a camp because I wanted to live another week or two. Forget it. That is non-negotiable. And I have a suspicion there are a lot of Americans that are at that same point, or so soon will be.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:15 | 6825319 scintillator9
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Anyone can buy, its knowing how to properly use and maintain that is often the most neglected detail.

When I first saw the movie LORD OF WAR, and Nicolas Cage's character said he hoped that NONE of his rounds found a target for he could sell more rounds made me sit back and think a lot.....

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:15 | 6825321 economessed
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Arming yourself is not only a lawful response, but an entirely rational response.  Then train, train, train.  An armed society is a polite society.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:00 | 6825438 agent default
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The last bit is the real problem.  Most people buy a scary looking gun, fire a few rounds at the range, think they can take Normandy all by themselves and then throw it in the locker thinking they are good to go.  How many times have you seen some guy at the range with +4lbs of crap on an AR15 who clearly doesn't have a fucking clue what he is doing.  Yeah that guy.  Too many of them around.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:21 | 6825498 NoWayJose
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Yup - $3000 worth of extra gear on the AR15, but only half a box of ammo at home - because, ya know, you can always pick up more ammo... Except when you really need it!

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:58 | 6825730 Sturm und Drang
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I just recently acquired a used AR platform rifle. I have never been a fan since the "Mattel" days. But, to your point, I removed a ton of superfluous tacticool crap from it. Now it sports a 1-4x24 DMS, top and bottom rail and that is it. It's also an AR-10 type so CQB is not its forte. At 300-500 yds however...

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:35 | 6825565 G.O.O.D
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It is beyound that, it is your patriotic duty.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:18 | 6825329 blue51
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I helped today's sales numbers. S&W 9m Shield

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:39 | 6825384 NoDebt
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Good little concealed carry weapon.  There were a few little bugs with them at first but they pretty much run like a Swiss watch now.  Did you get it with or without the thumb safety?

Now all you need for in the house is a good rifle, a shotgun (auto-loading or pump action- I prefer auto) and a hand cannon for the nightstand.  A wheel gun works just dandy for this- no safety to fiddle with coming out of a dead sleep, never jams.  If you can deal with sleeping with that gun under your pillow so much the better.

Pistols are only there so you can fight your way to your rifle.  In the tight quarters of your house that would be the shotgun first.  

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:49 | 6825609 blue51
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NoDebt,
It has the thumb safety also. Salesman pointed that out, and said it was often requested by habit driven pistol owners. I bought the H&K vp9 as my teddy bear. I am new to firearm ownership, and have yet to fire. I am in the process of graciously being brought by friends, to gun clubs for my necessary training. Funny you mention the shotgun. The friend who did two tours in Iraq, is adamant that my next purchase is a shotgun. Thanks NoDebt.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:37 | 6825569 G.O.O.D
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Crosman Crusher, flicker problem and I live in town. This hole poking pecker is soon to have an extra leaker.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:22 | 6825339 Ralph Spoilsport
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The US government is pushing people to a point where there will be around 300 million "shots heard around the world". Tick tock.... 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:07 | 6825345 SillySalesmanQu...
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They better pray that we are only scared, God help them that they might actually piss us off...

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:17 | 6825487 Baldrick
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they have no clue about the fury they will see unleashed. I almost feel sorry for them. almost.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:57 | 6825634 rejected
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you forgot /sarc.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:28 | 6825350 Ms No
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Invariably when the SHTF in Europe, E Europe, Balkans and whatnot Europeans will likely be coming to the states in droves as well.  I hope they are exposed to the coming situation long enough to realize why "gun nutter" USA will not be giving up their rights. 

Long story short if your European and you find yourself fleeing to the US check your problems with the 2A at the door or we may throw your asses in the harbor Boston Tea Party style. 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:43 | 6825591 lincolnsteffens
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All foreign Nationals come to the USA by Federal permission and must obey all regulations. Anyone naturalized and subject to the laws of the Federal government must have permission to own a firearm,

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:49 | 6825607 Niall Of The Ni...
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They might as well not bother. Everyone knows immigration laws are only enforced against only high-IQ immigrants who have a realistic chance at winning places on the top of the heap.

In the Thirties the US had no interest in importing Ashkenazim from Europe fleeing Nazism. whose native wit and entrepreneurial spirit posed a threat to the dominance of America's wealthy. No way in hell will they let a significant number of white Europeans flee Islamization.

Europe's Jews are lucky this time. Israel will take them in no matter what. Where will Europe's Christians go?

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 20:00 | 6825803 BlussMann
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Oh yeah, baby ! Those 1930's Kikes - with the Bolshevism, murder, assasination, Red Terror and Marxist BS - all of which the US is bying into or has already owned. They were a real catch. Remember that when the Rothschild Fed makes your money worthless, crashes the market and the Black Spartacus Marxist fighters start burning the whole sick USSA bitch down.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:35 | 6825371 buzzsaw99
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they don't WANT to protect their citizens

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:07 | 6825457 Normalcy Bias
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EXACTLY. Any further attacks will be used to grow the State and attack the natural right of self defense.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:37 | 6825378 cougar_w
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It's kind of silly, though, if you think about it. You will have all these guns at home, locked in a safe (because that's the right thing to do) while you are at the Mall buying Christmas gifts and a gunman rushes in crying "aloha snack bar!"

What good did any of that do you?

It made you feel good at the time, is what good it did. There was a terror event somewhere that rattled your cage and gave you a fright and you bought something -- did the happy consumer thing -- and for a few days felt secure. After another round of attacks in some random place you buy more and again you feel safe. Rinse and repeat, right? You have -- what is it now -- 10K rounds of ammunition and 24 guns and you still don't feel secure. And then a guy in a beard who thinks we need more snack bars shoots you in the head at Toys-R-Us.

You know what that is? That's pathetic.

But the pathos started at the start; being afraid.

Now maybe it's just a cat thing, but I don't like being afraid. Someone wants me to be afraid I back up a bit and say to myself that sounded like an order and I don't take orders. You know, herding cats, all that. Rather I remind myself that there is only one top killer in this jungle, and that's me, and any stupid moneky with a beard wants snack bars had better have eyes in the back of his head because I will be there clawing up his back and there won't be any Kung Fu involved, I'll just eat him on the spot.

And then if I still feel the need to arm up, well look here I have a fully loaded automatic weapon.

Or a snack bar, whatever they are called these days. Shit I can't keep up.

You go through life watchful. Not afraid, not even wary. Just watchful. You see things, that way. I can tell you, you see a lot. That guy will pop out of the crowd, when you see him. You'll know in less than an instant. Something in the eyes, I don't know what it is, but it's him talking to God. He's not there. It's him and God and you don't matter, and I don't care who he is or why he's there you need to pay attention. You circle around, it's probably fine, just you know being on top of things. Then the sudden move, something from under a coat ...

He's already dead. It took less than a second. You were already coiled, all speed and casual aggression. You were stalking him, he didn't know it. He was talking to God, after all. You were just meat needed killing. Except you weren't, you weren't the meat at all. You were the predator, friendly and fun and watchful and alert and focused and fast and then in an instant made entirely of knives.

Yup. Definitely a cat thing.

If any of you are that guy talking to God, I hope he gives you some good advice. Like, stay the fuck away from that crazed cougar. Nobody really knows what it is he does, but it sounds totally fucked up.

If you are NOT that guy, relax. And imagine if you will that when you are down at the Toys-R-Us, there is a cougar down one of the aisles trying to pick out a toy for a relative of a relative, feeling awkward because you know -- toy store.  While I'm not on your side, I'm on the side of the ones who get to walk out of Toys-R-Us alive that day.

That also being a cat thing.

Nine lives, baby.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:49 | 6825405 Flankspeed60
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..............???? Meth or something else..................??

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:14 | 6825477 cougar_w
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I'll take "something else" for 200.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:47 | 6825584 G.O.O.D
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gack

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:42 | 6825590 G.O.O.D
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It is obviously a case of nip overload.

too

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:02 | 6825649 cougar_w
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No no I got control of this. Can give it up any time. Yep.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 22:35 | 6826228 Shift For Brains
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You have an inordinate amount of white debris under your nose in the pic. As a matter of fact, most of your lower head is covered in it.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:43 | 6825395 ShrNfr
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Investmenting in small lead ingots has always paid dividends.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 17:57 | 6825429 Johnny Horscaulk
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Gonna need more than guns against hostile police and DHS apcs and choppers.

hopefully the Gray State scenario is just paranoia, but the trend does not inspire confidence.

I am more afraid of the nypd mafia than 'isis.'

No - really.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/25/nypd-shooting-bystander-victims-hit...

https://reason.com/blog/2015/09/03/nypd-shooting-of-unarmed-bystander-durin

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:21 | 6825499 cougar_w
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DHS apcs and choppers? Really? You'll take all that on with what, nigga? 10K rounds .22LR? Fuck me but that's funny.

Unless you are armed up like ISIS (and you do have a first-world sugar daddy feeding you heavy arms and surface-to-air rockets right?) DHS will take you out in 8 hours. You and your entire county, just in case any local fags get ideas.

Don't mean to be mean, I don't enjoy this. I'm worried too. Just bugs me that people pretend this is a video game or an episode of Miami Vice. Well I guess if it is like that then fine say whatever you want to, have fun. But if it isn't like that then what you got? I mean seriously what you got anyway?

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:35 | 6825564 Ralph Spoilsport
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Or, DHS will get taken out in the first 8 hours. Nobody likes those clowns, especially county sheriffs and local LE.  

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:44 | 6825592 G.O.O.D
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The DHS I have met around here are mostly women and old men. ANY woman packing a weapon winhin 10 feet of me is going to be overpowered and the weapon will be mine in less than 1 minute. Bank on it.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:50 | 6825614 rejected
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DHS Gestapo is the agency providing them most of their overtime,,, military type equipment,,, arms and ammo right down to their uniforms.

Local LE is so far up DHS Gestapo's ass they couldn't be found except by enema.

No,,, I won't be expecting any help from these SS wannabees.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 05:36 | 6826720 BingoBoggins
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Makes you wonder what their training is. Saw that Bundy incident, a BLS /ex-spec op prominent in the fray. Plenty of ex-military involved perhaps?

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:12 | 6825668 ZIRPY
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ISIS doesn't have any surface to air missiles. At least not yet.

 

There's a lot more of us than them and it's a big country.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:31 | 6825543 beaglebog
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I'm in Europe.

 

My feeling "on the ground" is that it don't matter a fuck that there are no guns available ....... because (drum roll) there is no Will to fight. None. Zilch. Brits are generally shit-scared of firearms and will roll over like little girls before authority figures and the merest mention of Jihad.  Watch this space.

 

I conclude that guns simply do not matter.

 

Equally, if there was the Will to fight, the fact there are no guns available, would not make the slightest difference to the outcome.

 

Brits. Hold 'em in contempt.  I do.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:04 | 6825652 cougar_w
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^^^^^^^^ this

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 20:11 | 6825832 nmewn
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Well, most europeans (present company excluded) had this thing about always trusting the state/aristocracy/monarchy/government more, being all dignified & cosmopolitan about it, what's the word I'm looking for?...compromise themselves with it.

There's enough of us left and the ranks are growing daily so don't get your fur all matted into a propaganda twist about it.

You'll just call us all traitors & rebels anyways, so pick your side ;-)

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 20:35 | 6825781 BlussMann
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I do. I can't understand why the National Socialsit leadership was so taken with the g/d Brits. They didn't want to fight them and made fools of themselves trying to make peace with these cretins. Their reward: Dresden.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 23:20 | 6826309 InnVestuhrr
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You described one of the many HUGE differences between today's Brits (also Europeans) and what I call "traditional Americans", who today are found primarily in rural areas of the USA.

If any of these islamic cult psychopaths start a shooting slaughter in the places in America where you find the "traditional Americans", vs the big cities where you find rotted-out socialist coercive-collectivist pathetic passive weakling pussies, then I assure you that the outcome is going to be very different than the outcomes we have seen in the cities.

If this happens in some of my hangouts, eg Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, then it is highly likely that the islamic wackos will die in a hail of gunfire from us very well-armed and skilled "civilians" long before the police arrive. All my friends and I always travel with a small arms arsenal of handguns, rifles and shotguns, with plenty of ammo, and would love to be in range when the islamic vermin go hostile, would be a very enjoyable change from static targets at the shooting range to live targets with high points. I keep my sniper rifles tuned just for such a possible encounter.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 05:29 | 6826716 BingoBoggins
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truth be told, a few of us in the city, yet waiting to bug out - are there still opportunities for raising dental floss?

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 01:55 | 6826355 squid
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My eldest asked me about paris, Daddy, why in paris?".

Answer...."because its easy".

 

Crooks will ALWAYS go for low hanging fruit. You don't see them trying this in Dallas, do you?

Nope.

 

If you want to plan and execute a slaughter, its always better to do it in a place where you know the people can't defend themselves. They teach that in crooks 101.

 

This is really simple stuff when you think about it.

 

Squid

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 18:59 | 6825631 The Carbonator
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Keep buying, but of all things try to get MORE people into 2nd Amendment so they can vote the right way.

 

Bring them to the range, educate, teach safety, use a nice .22, start slow, build confidence, achieve!

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:07 | 6825661 flyonmywall
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Don't stab or beat up the burglar. Make sure he/she/it don't get up again ever or talk. The dead tell no tales.

 

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 05:23 | 6826714 BingoBoggins
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local cops advised to "bring 'em inside". defending the castle ploy. the older cops. don't mingle with the new ones

 

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:27 | 6825705 22winmag
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You should buy a gun or three, but spend most of your money on food, medicine, supplies, and ammo.

 

In a real SHTF scenario, there will be plenty of free "once dropped" guns lying around.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 20:09 | 6825824 Phillyguy
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Buying a gun is not going to protect you from professionally trained snipers. If you don’t want stuff like this to happen, don’t get in bed with Saudi sponsored Islamic fundamentalists- trained and equipped by the US (read US taxpayers)/NATO- including France. The most likely victim of a handgun is a family member. This may well be beyond the intellectual capacity of Joe 6-pac American. To quote Gertrude Stein “There is no there there”.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 21:22 | 6826026 kareninca
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I have a 74 y.o. friend who is the ultimate "anti gun" liberal.  He has always thought that one's defense should be left to the cops.  But he told me that after the Paris attacks, he could for the first time see that conceal-carry guns, carried by citizens, could save lives.  I was stunned.  People can learn.  Well, maybe he'll forget.  But he did learn for a moment.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 21:36 | 6826076 PoasterToaster
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But notice it was only the temporary result of a .gov fear campaign that did it.  The authoritarianism in those kind of people is probably impossible to dislodge.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 22:41 | 6826241 Shift For Brains
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Use the butt of your 1911. It can dislodge most anything when you put your shoulder into it.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 02:53 | 6826608 kareninca
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I'm afraid you're right, Poaster.  The reverence for authority is built in.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 05:20 | 6826712 BingoBoggins
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It's instilled for many of us ' boomers. I'd be still but for the pain and disappointment. A good sign ...

 

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