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Turkish F-16s Shoot Down Russian Su-24 Warplane Near Syria Border
Moments ago a big black geopolitical swan landed when newswires lit up with headlines that a Turkish F-16 shot down what was initially said to be an unidentified warplane near the Syrian border after it violated Turkey's airspace on Tuesday, a Turkish military official said, but the nationality of the downed aircraft was not immediately clear.
The Russian jet crashed in the mountainous Jabal Turkmen area of Latakia, where air strikes and fighting between rebels and Syrian government forces were reported earlier on Tuesday.
According to Reuters, Turkish F16s warned the jet repeatedly over the airspace violations before shooting it down.
A Russian Su024 aircraft goes down in Kizildag region of Turkey's
Hatay province, close to the Syrian border, on November 24, 2015
Footage from private broadcaster Haberturk TV showed a warplane going down in flames in a woodland area, a long plume of smoke trailing behind it. The plane went down in area known by Turks as "Turkmen Mountain" in northern Syria near the Turkish border, Haberturk said.
Minutes later, the Turkish Lira sank like a rock while risk assets across Europe tumbled when the Turkish presidency confirmed that, as many had expected, the jet was a Russian fighter jet, which the Russian Defense Ministry later said was a Su-24. The Su-24 jet was warned after violating Turkish airspace and was then downed in line with Turkey’s rules of engagement, Anadolu says, citing officials at the presidency.
According to Todays' Szaman, in a statement, the Turkish military said a plane of unknown origin was shot down after it violated the Turkish airspace despite repeated warnings. The aircraft was warned 10 times in 5 minutes, the military said.
It said two Turkish F-16s were involved in the shooting down of the jet.
However, while moments ago the Russian defense ministry confirmed that the shot down plane was indeed one of its own in what will be deemed a clear act of aggression by a NATO-member country against Russia, the Russian defense ministry said it could prove the aircraft was over Syria for the entire flight.
The ministry added that the pilots ejected, according to preliminary info, and that Russia trying to determine their fates, Interfax reports. Interfax also adds that the plane was probably downed by fire from ground, and that it had been flying at flying at an altitude of 6,000 meters.
Meanwhile, Turkish media reported that either one or both of the pilots may have been captured by Turkmen forces located in the region.
- TURKMEN FORCES CAPTURE 2 PILOTS OF DOWNED RUSSIAN JET: AHABER
Although there is confusion whether both or just one pilot was captured
- SYRIA TURKMEN FORCES SAY 1 PILOT OF DOWNED PLANE CAPTURED: AA
Especially with a YouTube video spread showing what is alleged to be one of the pilots dead
More:
A CNN Türk reporter in Yaylada? said a helicopter was hovering over the scene of the crash, apparently to pick up the pilots, but that opposition fighters were preventing it. The reporter later said one of the pilots was at the hands of Turkmen opposition fighters.
Prime Minister Davuto?lu has been briefed by the General Staff and ordered the Turkish Foreign Ministry to contact NATO, UN and relevant countries about the downed plane.
This huge escalation in the Syrian proxy war, one where a NATO country has openly attacked a non-NATO country (if Russia is correct and it did not violate Turkish airspace), comes after Turkey called this week for a U.N. Security Council meeting to discuss attacks on Turkmens in neighboring Syria, and last week Ankara summoned the Russian ambassador to protest the bombing of their villages.
Ankara has traditionally expressed solidarity with Syrian Turkmens, who are Syrians of Turkish descent.
We await a formal reaction by Russia, one which we doubt will be calm, cool and collected and may in fact see the Turkish aggression as an act of war if indeed the Russian Su never entered Turkish territory.
Here is the official statement by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov via Sputnik:
"So far, we have not heard the reason for the crash of our attack aircraft from the Defense Ministry. We know for sure that the aircraft was in Syrian airspace, over the territory of Syria," Peskov said, noting that the ministry's first statement on the crash was based on preliminary information.
"It would be wrong to make some kind of assumptions right now, to make any statements until we have the complete picture. Therefore, we just have to be patient. This is a very serious incident, but again, it is impossible to say anything without complete information," he added.
"It can be assumed that the president… will touch upon this issue during the talk with the king, and that there will be some kind of a reaction," Peskov told reporters when asked whether Putin would make a statement on the matter.
Elsewhere, the Turkish army released what it claims is a radar path analysis of the downed jet's flight path:
At first blush it is not clear how the airspace violating jet could have received "10 warnings" in the several seconds it took to cross what the Turks claim was the offending Turkish territory, especially since the plane ultimately crashed in Syrian territory.
Updates to follow.
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RT Live claiming the Russian plane was downed by ground fire.
https://www.rt.com/on-air/
long russian FOABs
its time to dust off some of those motherfuckers
Now Yellen can blame the economic implosion on the start of WWIII and the controlled collapse can begin in earnest.
Is this the "event" we have all forseen? Yellen can also blame lack of lift off in interest rates on this.
Convenient Huh?
All wars are bankers wars.
The war machine propaganda gets more extreme by the day......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Algo's no likey downed planes.
Maybe it was Iran's one plane. http://hedgeaccordingly.com/2015/11/iran-buys-plane-to-use-in-syrian-war...
Bullshit meter about to explode. Brace tourselves, winter is coming.
Experts in London will be along shortly to tell us what happened.
The BBC are awaiting orders on how to spin it, in the meantime they're softening us up with Turkish sources only and repeating the 'ten warnings' mantra.
The initial BBC spin (John Humphries / Today Radio 4) is that the Russian assertion that their Jet was in Syrian airspace is a desperate ploy to difuse the situation !!!
The inference being that the naughty Russians are now in big trouble for violating Turkish airspace and got what was coming.
I immagine a few Nato Jets will find they get locked up by some of Russias finest SAM systems in fairly short order. Serious escalation by any measure, but 100% predicted by many.
Pls tell me why all experts do come on TV from London.I wonder is it becuse globalist brief them to pump all those disinformation all those outlets?
If the plane never violated Turkish airspace and was shut down over Syria then article 5 of NATO does not apply.
In the top comment, Kiwi explains Turkey moved it's territory, with American support, 5 miles into Syria. Where does article 5 stand now?
In the garbage bin. That is an illegally imposed no fly zone after a Turkish plane violated Syrian airspace and was subsequently shot down (great piece of information by Kiwi).
No European will want to fight for Turkey. No American should want to either.
i learned all i need to from midnight run.
You mean Midnight Express.
lol
lol midnight run with deniro and grodin was good too.
Oh Billy...
What a girl, just a beauty..
Exactly!!
'i said so then it must be so!' says USA.
It really depends if the Neocons are behind it, and it's intentional, if so they won't be concerned about some 'quaint' clause.
This is too serious for brevity.
You are probably right about them no giving a damn about some clause. After all, they don't give a damn about the constitution (that 'damned piece of paper').
But at this moment no European will go and fight a war with Russia over Turkey.
IF the Neocons are behind it?
Yes it was the Turks on their own, all by their lonesome vs. Vladimir Putin.
What the fuck have rules got to do with these psychopaths? Rules just apply to the likes of you and me.
Article 5 is woolly.
It does not commit anyone to military action. ... it merely permits such action.
Took this long, huh?
Oh dear........
Holy shit...this is disturbing news. Fucking alliances going to drag us into another WW just like Franz Ferdinand.
+1. Ultimatum to Serbia being drafted now.
Well colour me surprised.....not.
Hands up those who didn't see this coming ?
Great!! Turkish F16 shotdown Su-24.
OK. I'll watch Russian replies then. This is bound to happens alright. You want to see escalations? You got your wish alright..
I pray the russian pilots are safe.
No chutes on video. https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/669068762251968512
Anybody have video with chutes?
If Russian pilots were murdered bombing ISIS (in response to ISIS admitted bombing of Russian civilian airliner)?
I noticed that. If you look the aircraft was accelerating after it had nosed over.
If they survived -- we can only hope they get returned to Russia safe & sound. If they get turned over to ISIS -- I hope they have a means of killing themselves quickly and fairly painlessly. If they died, God be with them.
Bloomberg said the area of Syria in which the plane was shot down and into which the pilots would have parachuted is presently occupied by ethnic Turks/Turkmen.
There are ethnic Turks in northern Syria, from the days of the Ottoman empire. So it seems the pilots fell into their hands, doesn't mean the plane was shot down over Turkey as the MSM wants to spin it right now, nor that they are IS savages. The most likely case is that they will be handed over to the Turkish Army so that Turkey can say 'see the pilots fell over Turkish territory'.
But why would Russia send a helicopter to save them if they had any reasons to believe they landed in Turkey...
So would Jesus use a flamethrower or a machine gun?
No. A nail gun. Boom!
See what I did there?
Funny how there's always a cameraman around to record these events.
You mean just like the Russian passenger jet over a wide open desert that just exploded and it was filmed right on time. Yes I totally agree. Once is happenstance(not) twice is a conspiracy (not) .
Wait for the report.... Fuck that, this is a forced escalation and a warning to Russia... Butt the fuck out and be subservient to the "Great Satan"or else.
But again know your Current enemy. Russia is not some small defenseless nation. Poke a huge Black Bear with a stick and kiss your ass goodbye baby.They now know this was planned and filmed as a 2nd warning.
Who ever gave the order on the ground to air attack has less than a week to kiss his prodigy farewell.
Unlike Paris of course.
RT has video with what appears to be two chutes.
https://www.rt.com/news/323215-warplane-crash-syria-turkey/
Course, bunch of asshole Turkmens on the ground shouting Allah Akbar so the pilots safety is not yet known.
I saw no chutes, at least at that link.
I hope the pilots are OK.
If they aren't OK, I hope something else.
Hopefully the pilots had their pistols out while still floating down.
I am listening to RT Live waiting for the fate of the pilots.
The Turk PM is saying "Tough SHit, Vlad. This is an attack on NATO."
I saw Russian comments in YouTube that the pilots are okay. I hope so, the video isn't too convincing.
The longer it take to see an image of parachutes or an image of the pilots the more likely it is they were killed.
Capture the entire crash, but miss the parachutes, or any image of the pilots after this long?
Constant escalation. In war, there are severe shortages and, considering our leaders have turned against us, the shortages will be, extremely, severe.
KI tablets among others supplies are still cheap (relatively); stock up while you have time.
Heres the problem, in 2012 Turkey (with US support) 'moved its border' 5 miles into Syrian airspace after Syria shot down a Turkish plane that entered into Syrian airspace. Turkey then deemed any aircraft coming within 5 miles of its border while still inside SYRIAN airspace to be hostile and would deal with it accordingly.
Great perspective KIWI. I am sure the Russians will have good Radar and their own GPS location of the aircraft's position(s). "Soverign territory" can be a bitch.
Very true, but in the end I don't know that either side and their supporters are really going to care where the Russian Jet was. If Russia can show the jet was in Syrian airspace do you think anyone (media/Western Governments) is going to believe them. No-one is interested in evidence anymore, partly because so many people only read the sensationalist (and often misleading) headlines rather than the actual reports the media put out. The minds of the masses are manipulated to accept the narrative the governments want people to believe, you can see this in action on comments boards where people talk about Assad gassing his people in Ghouta despite the fact that has been proven it wasnt him.
The US has been looking for an edge to put the pressure on Russia over Syria. In the last few weeks we have a French Carrier group sailing to the Mediterranian of the coast of Syria. At the same time the US is sending a carrier group to join them, now Britain is offering to open its bases in Cyprus and join the fight. Then suddenly, and oh so conveniently, Ukranian 'activists' sabotage the power supply to the Crimea sending over a million Russian citizens into the dark, the Crimea of course being the warm water base for the Russian Navy. Not to forget the claims of increasing violence in the Ukraine between the rebels and the Ukraine armed forces. I would not be surprised if we see a lighting strike by the Ukrainians soon to retake their Eastern states before winter sets in, especially with Russia suddenly distracted with the Syrian conflict.
God help us if Turkey is insane enough to close the Bosphorus Strait to Russian shipping.....
With Russia distracted?
Ok, that leaves the "rebels" (for lack of a better term) to do what they've been doing this whole time.
A one-sided act does in no way constitute an international agreement and is in no way binding to other countries.
Very true, but does it matter when the media will be filled with cries of Russia violating 'Turkish airspace' regardless of the facts. I honestly don't see any NATO nations willing to contest Turkeys claim (in self defence of course....)
In the end all that really matters is how will Russia respond....
Sure it depends on Russia's response, but this is also how the story can be sold publicly and this is where it becomes difficult. Selling it as a violation of airspace becomes unbelievable when the plane crashes in Syria. The public in general is fairly ignorant and can be manipulated, but some facts (such as the crash site) make it exeedingly difficult to do so. Turkey is becoming extremely problematic with Erdogan. The US knows it, Europe knows it and the public is catching on. Turkey with Erdogan is becoming a massive political liability to the West. Russia has probably the most appetite for war considering the domestic support Putin has for himself and his militaristic responses in general. Turkey less so and the West has zero appetite. So yes, Russia's response short to mid-term will be interesting - to put it mildly.
I agree completely, but I suspect the US will be happy to put the whole Turkish problem on the back burner as long as they can seek to use this event to further their efforts to remove Assad and take defacto control of Syria for their pipelines to Europe from the Qatar. Thus far Russia has out manouvered them on every front from the Ukraine to Syria, not without great cost to themselves mind but Russia has little choice other than to back down and accept being another vassal state under US dominance. But, Putin is no idiot. Hes pulled a few rabbits out of the hat thus far, I wouldnt be surprised if he does it again.
According to BBC, the Turkish military noted that the F-16s had intervened "in accordance with the rules of engagement", which were changed after Syria shot down a Turkish plane in 2012.
Both pilots better be Ok or THE BEAR is going tear some new assholes. Turkey has been funneling shit over the border to forces fighting Assad and I don't care if this is Turkmen friendly (to Turkey) Syria but Syria allowed Russia to come and over-fly their country. Lurch does npt scare Russia one bit. NATO country attacked. Bull shit. Recep Erdogan has his own agenda of eradicating the Kurds and Assad. If Turkey shot down a Russian warplane over Syria then Turkey is on it's own.
Can't believe the entire event, ending with air strike, could have happened over Turkey. Expect at least the final conflict happened over Syria.
I hope a safe Russian pilot and any crew parachuted into Syria.
I wonder if this will green light Russian support to the Kurds. I think that will be a hell of a retaliation.
Just what NATO ordered
Can't let those Russians defeat evil in Syria, gotta stop them in their tracks. We must look like the goodies at all times!
Fuck NATO
Boom! So much for russkies military aviation strength :D LOL
That's what you get when you repeatedly violate NATO airspace.
And your information is based off what ...
Based on the fact that he is a 3 week troll out of Kiev.
These Maidan supporters are seriously the lowest form of humanity.
I wish we had a more proactive Tyler who would simply Nuke these 3 wook old trololol accounts out of Kiev or Langly.
I have to say I also find them quite entertaining. Especially when we manage to get rid of him like Freedom123
I'm one of the first to criticise Putin, but dude, your comment simply sucks donkey balls.
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Latvian hiretroll and information based on State Department training manual.
When Russia decides that Latvia is nothing more than another "Oblast" I hope he is on the first train to Siberia.
It was an Su-24 ground-attack aircraft. Let's see how NATO do when they put their F-35s up against modern Sukhois. That's if the F-35s ever make it off the assembly line, of course.
The F-35 is a hanger queen made for hollywood, like the F-22. They will never be of any use, just like those latest Littoral ships they are building.
There's no assembly line for F35's. Each one is a personally hand crafted piece of art.
There's no assembly line for F35's. Each one is a personally hand crafted piece of SHIT.
At 1/3 of a billion dollars a piece you can claim anythng is art, even shit.
Sorry for the downarrow, but it was a Fencer Su-24, not the Frogfoot Su-25 which is the ground attack fighter.
Thanks for clarification
Witty bleat and rejoice that the world is falling apart? You have an interesting way of self-satisfaction.
Ticket to Mars bought already, I suppose?
So two F-15's "designed to gain and maintain air supremacy in aerial combat" (according to Wikipedia) shot down a Su-25 "designed to provide close air support for the Soviet Ground Forces" (according to wikipedia) and you think that represents a fair fight or something along those lines? Enjoy your downvotes.
pmurgs
No, 2 Turkish F16s shot down a Russian Su 24 over Syria
Your aircraft models must have been a video game you were watching and not the world news.
Yeah, my bad. I must of misread.
F-16's "Designed as an air superiority day fighter"
Zinu, your going to wet and shit your pants in abject fear on the day you meet a real man with morals and principals. For your information Real men are dying to protect your cum stained ass from being overrun by immoral degenerates who would make you their bitch with a blunt carving knife if you did not do their bidding
Your wardrobe should be Poo brown, that is, if at anytime you grow pubic hair and your balls drop.
Oh and Fuck you you lowlife corrupt piece of shit for brains. And now you have my permission to shuffle on your knees and worship and kiss my Dick you degenerate lowlife wanker. If your lucky I might "avitar " you bitch
Fight club is rough asshole
This will make any plane that flies into Syrian airspace without explicit approval from Assad or an official mandate from the UN, fair muthafuckin' game!!
Game on...
^ This. The Russians only have to move some of their newer anti-air systems into Syria and any foreign aircraft flying over Syria without the express authorisation of the Syrian government potentially gets vaporised.
Did Turkey just hand over control of Syrian airspace to Russia?
I think that is the first step. I am sure the diplomatic gaming for this has already been scripted and should be pretty entertaining to watch.
So, were the Russians aware of Turkeys new 5 mile zone and how they would react?
I would script the next play something like this:
1. Condemnation of the attack outside of Turkish airspace along with demands that NATO recognize this was not an attack on a NATO member and not subject to Art 5.
2. A new Russian airbase in Iran/Iraq
3. Ground attack by Shiite groups from Iraq/Iran supported by Russian air.
4. If the Turks keep the pressure on, a recognition of a Kurd territory in Syria and subsequent lighting up of the Turk/Kurd conflict.
I am probably too reckless and quick to go to for the big response though. I do have faith in the Russian foreign policy team. They have done a damn good job up to now countering Western agression with the minimum cost in military, treasure and political capital up to this point.
edit: There will be a full de-pantsing of Turkish support of ISIS as part of step 1. I think Russia will lay bare how ISIS oil is moved into the market.
I wrote this elsewhere, but if I am in command Turkey right now is losing at least one of their air force bases..St least one. If I know which one they flew out of then that is the one.
Step 2 is I establish a no fly zone 20 miles into Turkey.
NATO itself established that precedent in other conflicts.
Time for Assad to declare Syria a no-fly zone for any planes but Syrians and Russians. ANY plane violating their airspace will be on the recieveing end of an S300 / S400 missile.
Putin alluded to it, G.W.Bush said it years ago, if you are harboring or acting as a safe haven for terrorists, you will bear the consequences. Turkish bafoons have been puffing up their chest's like bipedal mammals spoiling for a fight. Without being under the umbrella (protection) solidarity of NATO, they'd be in for a serious ass whoopin.' All the same, the Sunni's in Turkey are playing a dangerous game that will blow up in their faces...
Does this mean that, finally, "Shit got real"? Furreal?
funereal
Funeral
No more summer vacations in Turkey. Check
No more winter vacations in Egypt. Check
So sad, too bad to both countries. Unemployment sucks, doesn't it.
(Warned the Russian in Turkish?)
Turks are total knobs.
They actually believe that Western whiteys will fight and die for them.... *chuckles*
The outraegous behavior of Turks during the moment of silence for the French ISIS victims at a socker game said everything one needs to know. Barbarians.
Pretty fucking stupid of Turkey. The industrial strength trolling here will commence shortly.
Well not really stupid just greedy. It was obvious Turkey gets oil from ISIS, and since Russia started to blown up oil convoys Turkey lost "their" cheap oil so they retaliate now.
good observation
Are the Turks fucking nuts? even if the plane was close to their border it was not a threat to Turkey... they just poked a stick into a grizzly, they must be mad. And to think Turkey has be trying to qualify as a responsible candidate for EU membership - the EU would be mad to accept them.
Erdogan saw a loss of oil profits.
Don't you think that's worth risking nuclear war?
Sultan Erdogan's son must have been raging mad at the loss of oil profits....so what do the hot headed Turks do? Shoot down a Russia jet.
Alliances are shifting under our feet, by the end of this there will be more clear cut alliances and all its gonna take is one Franz Ferdinand moment for WW3 to blow up, unless we aren't careful.
The worst thing we can all do is go collectively mad and start a world war with each other, because if that happens, ISIS surely win.
How much did the US pay Turkey for escalating the situation?
Since month the US is preapraing for a war with Russia by moving heavy military equipment to the east (and not only to the Ukraine) - now its time to esalate. Fu....ing psychopaths!
Su24s are older ground attack aircraft, no match for F16s, but the Russians have Su27s and Su35s which could blow the Turkish F16s out of the sky from 50 miles away.
This may happen
(clears throat) Will happen
Bullish for Raytheon
Just in time to head off the $20 oil threat too.
Yes, what kind of a fear premium can that create.
And now, the falacy of ZH's WW3 drumming will crumble to pieces as nothing of significance (geopolitcally) happens following this incident.
I pray that you are correct...although it is not ZH that is banging the war drums. Some of the commenters may be...
They are just reporting it.
A Nuclear Winter just does not sound that appealing of a way to die
Nuclear Wars are not winnable.
Check out Carl Sagan's studies. Check out the modeling.
Even the former Soviet Union scientists agreed.,..and modeled it independently and came up with similar results.
Dr. Strangelove may not have been accurate that the Soviets had a Doomsday Device...But Nuclear War is an Extinction Level Event.
I cannot believe that as many people here are supporting any of this.
We are fucking all dead men if these psychopathic oligarchs decide to engage in a Nuclear War.
They have way too much power on their hands and are fucking IGNORANT AS HELL to desire any of this.
Check out the video link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCTKcd2Ko98
Dear God...
Come on, some of ZH's contributors are practically begging for it to happen. Merely commenting on geopolitical occurances would include much less conjecture and fear mongering.
They believe that a Nuclear War is survivable and winnable.
They also lack the understanding of the mindset of the psychopathic oligarchs leading their respective nations.
Ever read that Aesop Fable, "The Dog and the Manger"?
The Dog was so angered that the master had neglected to feed him that he viciously defended a manger full of grain to prevent the farm animals from eating it.
Although he could not eat the grain he defended it none the less.
"If I am going to go without then so shall everyone else" was his attitude.
The psychopathic oligarchs have the same attitude. If they cannot control Syria then nobody else will beable to and they will make damned certain of that.
They think in terms of Nationalism and Nation States when it is readily apparent that Corporatism is a much better model for describing the reality.
They are just too blind to it, rooting for their respective teams.
And it will ultimately kill us all as the CEOs lack the knowledge and wisdom to understand the destructive potential which is now on the precipice of being released.
No. By no means am I "Rootin' for Putin" or chanting "USA, USA, USA" at the top of my lungs. Not me.
War is a Racket and the oligarchs are seeking to profit off of this bloodshed.
The imminent threat is that the Nation States do have Nuclear Arsenals and there has been a change of attitude with respect to Nuclear War. Some actually believe them to be survivable.
They will say and think, "Oh we will limit it". Well there will be no limits. They are deluding themselves. It will escalate.
And by the time that they figure it out that it is not winnable the damage will be done, it will be too late, and we will all be dead or dying.
And we actually deserve that extinction because we are so danned fucked up and flawed.
To the contrary, I don't see anyone cheering on nuclear war. Some may be saying, 'get it over with.' But that is simply because the world is already MAD. How many more Fukushimas, Iraqs, and Colorado Rivers can humans survive?
We're already in a nuclear winter, just a slowly unfolding one - and a case could be made that the current course is even less survivable and winnable than direct nuclear war. With a nuclear war there would at least be a chance that the nukes, militaries, and agencies are wiped out first. On the current course it is just a slow train wreck of taking over the last useful resources and annihilating the last strongholds of human thought.
That's not hoping for it to happen, it's just recognition of how truly hopeless and insane the current situation is. The dog is a bad example, people should have learned from that dog long ago. Chewing along with a stupid grin is how most people react, not caring that eventually their resources will be stolen as well. You have confused the dog with the master, and complacency with innocence.
Can a Turkish F-16 even shoot down a Russian Su-24?
Honestly, fuck the Turks!
It is outrageous that Europe/NATO is allies with Turkey, and yet denounces Russia.
I am embarrased to be European.
I hope Russia drives the Turks out of Europe and back into the depths of Asia where they belong!
Yep, Turkey sickens me by this action.
How can the West support this and still claim to be a beneficent force?
How can they claim the title of "civilized" when they support this?
It's a damn shame. I hope Russia soundly and irrefutably exposes Turkey for supporting ISIS and that the West is forced to abandon them as an ally and kick them out of the EU.
Does anyone believe the claim that the jet was in Turkish air space ?
Fuck no. They were protecting the oil caravans for Erdogan's fucking son weren't they.
If you define Turkish airspace as being any air above any Syrian ground, then yes.
It's war, so, yes, it is possible. However, the Russian MOD has telemetry which can be independently verified. They will show this to other countries' military reps or at the UN. Then, after they prove their case, they will retaliate. The MOD has already said the data shows the aircraft did not violate Turkish airspace, so let's wait for the data.
Why the hell would anyone fly so low or so close to Turkish airspace? Sounds to me like this plane might as well of had a big target painted on it's underside for the SAMS and the rest of it painted bright yellow for fighter pilots to spot.
Su-24 is a fighter bomber, could it have been bombing men and supplies entering Syria from Turkey and oil leaving Syria for Turkey?
Whatever. It's now getting very serious.
Russian air base in Lattakya is close to turkish borders. From all sides' description there are turkmen rebels on this territory. Thus fair ground for russian intervention (as rebels in Syria) very close to th turkish border, and turkish meddling as retaliation against turkmen bombing.
If you followed the frontline then you'd know that the Syrian army is currently engaged in clashes with terrorist rebel groups close to the Turkish border. Turkey is just pissed their little stooges get slaughtered and they're just watching from the other side of the fence...
double posted - sorry!
NATO just bitch slapped putin ha ha ha :D
Love it!
NUCLEER WOAR!!! FUGGIN LOVE IT!!
You fucking stupid piece of trash.
NUCULUR WOAR!!!
FIFY.
Yet seriously Syria is just not worth it....to either the Russians or the Americans.
Is Stria worth dying for? Not to me. Iwill not suit up for that quagmire? Wll you?
No you do not want wae anymore than I want war.
We as a speicies deserve extinction. We are so fucked up.
This is fucking sad.
I hope that the pilots are okay. They have families also.
Awesome comment, 4 weeks in and already a confirmed simple-minded douchebag.
Ummm, no.
Turkey just self-sodomised.
You Latvian zit nigger fuck off.
And it hit the ground in Syria? Sounds like the Turks/NATO violated Syrian airspace to me.
Well, fuck, that's all I can say.
Turks made my day! :D
And angry ashamed ruskie trolls make it even better with their pathetic comments and downvotes - ou yeah - I feel your anger :D ha ha ha
Any prostitute earns money less dirty way and causes less irritation in others.
So your phrases from the manuals can shove it deep into the anus.
I'm British.
Zinu = Nutjob
Almost two years without any clash. Ukraine, MH17, sanctions. The time has come for real bate
From an earlier ZH post: "...A senior Western official familiar with a large cache of intelligence obtained this summer told the Guardian that “direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking ISIS members was now ‘undeniable..."
– From the excellent Nafeez Ahmed article: NATO is Harbouring the Islamic State
Russia has made it crystal clear, they're in Syria at the behest of the official government's request to combat & eradicate terrorists. It would seem that Turkey can now be considered a terrorist state. If I were the Turkish PM, I'd be looking for assylum in one of the moderate Sunni states right about now...
This has been known for a long time. Early on ISIS would attack Syrian post and if things got too it for
them , they would run back into Turkey where they were
provided safe haven.
As far as direct dealings with ISIS, there are enough
pictures of McCain with these guys to drag his ass into a courtroom on charges of providing support to terrorists.
OK Putin,
No more games.
The Turks, egged on by the Americans, shot down a Russian jet.
CLEARLY,
The Americans and their allies are not going to cooperate with Russia and share the Pie with you.
(It's also a disgrace and a sign of technological & military weakness that a Turkish F-16 or Turkish SAMs or artillery were able to bring down easily a Russian plane.)
Putin,
you accept this and it proves that you're a pushover.
Russia,
now you fight NATO and stop selling oil for dollars or dealing in dollars,
or,
YOU'RE FINISHED.
Pompous twat.
Keep an eye on Israel's reaction.... The unofficial ZATO HQ
Turkey most likely didnt do this, look for the motive of others who "want to use turkey"
Who's just lost a Huge free oil supply, who's been under an international military aggression curfew
Cui Bono!
Turkey and Israel have not been getting along well for the last few years. At least publicly. Ever since Erdogan.
It is pretty obvious Erdogan has been having delusions of grandeur.
Erdogen set up that fake 'freedom flotilla' to Gaza so he could break what were then historically good relations between Israel and Turkey military.
Russia will no doubt state that it must have been a rogue Turkish unit that fired on them, and thus they will rid the world of it, missile cometh to that units location.
World War III
Also:
FUCK TURKEY & FUCK NATO
USA pushed the button !
It was Turkey that gassed Syrians to frame Assad, and Erdogan is as much a butcher as any Saudi.
US would have given him his orders, shoot down a Russian plane.
I think it is time China joined in. What the fuck is the US going to do if China bombs a Turkish missile base?