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Turkish F-16s Shoot Down Russian Su-24 Warplane Near Syria Border
Moments ago a big black geopolitical swan landed when newswires lit up with headlines that a Turkish F-16 shot down what was initially said to be an unidentified warplane near the Syrian border after it violated Turkey's airspace on Tuesday, a Turkish military official said, but the nationality of the downed aircraft was not immediately clear.
The Russian jet crashed in the mountainous Jabal Turkmen area of Latakia, where air strikes and fighting between rebels and Syrian government forces were reported earlier on Tuesday.
According to Reuters, Turkish F16s warned the jet repeatedly over the airspace violations before shooting it down.
A Russian Su024 aircraft goes down in Kizildag region of Turkey's
Hatay province, close to the Syrian border, on November 24, 2015
Footage from private broadcaster Haberturk TV showed a warplane going down in flames in a woodland area, a long plume of smoke trailing behind it. The plane went down in area known by Turks as "Turkmen Mountain" in northern Syria near the Turkish border, Haberturk said.
Minutes later, the Turkish Lira sank like a rock while risk assets across Europe tumbled when the Turkish presidency confirmed that, as many had expected, the jet was a Russian fighter jet, which the Russian Defense Ministry later said was a Su-24. The Su-24 jet was warned after violating Turkish airspace and was then downed in line with Turkey’s rules of engagement, Anadolu says, citing officials at the presidency.
According to Todays' Szaman, in a statement, the Turkish military said a plane of unknown origin was shot down after it violated the Turkish airspace despite repeated warnings. The aircraft was warned 10 times in 5 minutes, the military said.
It said two Turkish F-16s were involved in the shooting down of the jet.
However, while moments ago the Russian defense ministry confirmed that the shot down plane was indeed one of its own in what will be deemed a clear act of aggression by a NATO-member country against Russia, the Russian defense ministry said it could prove the aircraft was over Syria for the entire flight.
The ministry added that the pilots ejected, according to preliminary info, and that Russia trying to determine their fates, Interfax reports. Interfax also adds that the plane was probably downed by fire from ground, and that it had been flying at flying at an altitude of 6,000 meters.
Meanwhile, Turkish media reported that either one or both of the pilots may have been captured by Turkmen forces located in the region.
- TURKMEN FORCES CAPTURE 2 PILOTS OF DOWNED RUSSIAN JET: AHABER
Although there is confusion whether both or just one pilot was captured
- SYRIA TURKMEN FORCES SAY 1 PILOT OF DOWNED PLANE CAPTURED: AA
Especially with a YouTube video spread showing what is alleged to be one of the pilots dead
More:
A CNN Türk reporter in Yaylada? said a helicopter was hovering over the scene of the crash, apparently to pick up the pilots, but that opposition fighters were preventing it. The reporter later said one of the pilots was at the hands of Turkmen opposition fighters.
Prime Minister Davuto?lu has been briefed by the General Staff and ordered the Turkish Foreign Ministry to contact NATO, UN and relevant countries about the downed plane.
This huge escalation in the Syrian proxy war, one where a NATO country has openly attacked a non-NATO country (if Russia is correct and it did not violate Turkish airspace), comes after Turkey called this week for a U.N. Security Council meeting to discuss attacks on Turkmens in neighboring Syria, and last week Ankara summoned the Russian ambassador to protest the bombing of their villages.
Ankara has traditionally expressed solidarity with Syrian Turkmens, who are Syrians of Turkish descent.
We await a formal reaction by Russia, one which we doubt will be calm, cool and collected and may in fact see the Turkish aggression as an act of war if indeed the Russian Su never entered Turkish territory.
Here is the official statement by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov via Sputnik:
"So far, we have not heard the reason for the crash of our attack aircraft from the Defense Ministry. We know for sure that the aircraft was in Syrian airspace, over the territory of Syria," Peskov said, noting that the ministry's first statement on the crash was based on preliminary information.
"It would be wrong to make some kind of assumptions right now, to make any statements until we have the complete picture. Therefore, we just have to be patient. This is a very serious incident, but again, it is impossible to say anything without complete information," he added.
"It can be assumed that the president… will touch upon this issue during the talk with the king, and that there will be some kind of a reaction," Peskov told reporters when asked whether Putin would make a statement on the matter.
Elsewhere, the Turkish army released what it claims is a radar path analysis of the downed jet's flight path:
At first blush it is not clear how the airspace violating jet could have received "10 warnings" in the several seconds it took to cross what the Turks claim was the offending Turkish territory, especially since the plane ultimately crashed in Syrian territory.
Updates to follow.
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domino effect indeed, since the NATO just shot down a russian plane. Idiot.
"....If Russia attacks Turkey, then under the alliance rules the other NATO members will have to rush to Turkey's defence. Domino effect, bitchez...."
But if Turkey is deemed the aggressor, then there should (I hope) be an escape clause.
"....If Russia attacks Turkey, then under the alliance rules the other NATO members will have to rush to Turkey's defence. Domino effect, bitchez...."
But if Turkey is deemed the aggressor, then there should (I hope) be an escape clause.
"....If Russia attacks Turkey, then under the alliance rules the other NATO members will have to rush to Turkey's defence. Domino effect, bitchez...."
But if Turkey is deemed the aggressor, then there should (I hope) be an escape clause.
Not really. That treaty is not valid if Turkey attacked first..which they did.
syria and iran should cede land to the kurds,. for agreement to leave them in peace,. and fight their real enemies. iraq and turkey. and of course to keep the real trouble makers out of kurd lands. that will give them 1 front they dont have to deal with. and form an allegiance with local hard ass fighters who will be fighting with them not against them. it will alsoo legitimize kurdish claims on iraq and turkish territories.a win win for those 3 parties at least.
I said the same thing few weeks ago.
Added bonus is that regular Turks hate the Kurds.
The think that Turks as civilized but Kurds are barbarians.
So the plane enters and exits. But where was it shot down then? If they shot it down after it leaves Turkish airspace then they must have shot it outside Turkish airspace. So after the alleged intrusion in somebody else's airspace. Does not sound very legal to me.
Remember this radar picture is being presented by the Turkish military, its truthfulness should be questioned.
Also that yes. But if even if there was an incursion it means they shot it down after the event took place and in sombody else's airspace so they were violating airspace themselves.
From their picture it is not clear where they shot it down.
No way even the Turkish-produced radar "evidence" convinces all 28 NATO members to declare article 5 (it isn't a simple majority rules vote...all or nothing). This does not end well.
Off topic, but I have to get this off my chest.
JFK assassinated on 11/22/1963. Note the numerological significance. I didn't notice it until just the other day, though I remember exactly when the event happened (I was in the fifth grade).
Also, there are very graphic images from the Zapruder film showing - almost without a doubt - that Oswald, behind the motorcade in the Book Depository bldg. could not have fired the shots that killed JFK unless he had a magic rifle (in addition to magic bullets) that managed to change the direction and trajectory of the bullets. Kennedy was clearly shot from the front and (his) right. Oswald didn't do it. (Side note: I lost a lifelong friend over this issue who read the book "Case Closed" and insisted that Oswald acted alone. We argued briefly and I haven't talked to him since, because I can't stand self-righteousness in the face of the obvious.)
Anyhwo, we're fucked, we being just about anybody in the US, ME, and Europe.
Yup, I also was in 5th grade (dumb-ass Catholic school), and you are right, Oswald was a CIA asset & patsey, and as far as your friend goes,'ya can't cure stupid', they have to wake up when they are ready.....hope its not too late.
Hey, my dumb-ass Catholic school was St. Margaret Mary's in Rochester, NY. Where were you?
Holy Cross, Omaha Nebraska.
Bye, bye Turkstream project ?
In future Russian jets will have body guards with instructions to take out any aggressor, and any site that locks on or launches a SAM.
hmm. meanwhile, Kerry has been up to stirring the pot further.
The United States, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia have reportedly promised further support to the so-called "moderate opposition" in Syria.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/world/20151124/1030642909/syria-opposition-united-states.html#ixzz3sPOBuevh
http://sputniknews.com/world/20151124/1030642909/syria-opposition-united...
More than likely, the jet was brought down by ground fire since it was operating in moutainous terrain. If Russia can prove Turkish Vipers were in Syria airspace, they need to drop the hammer like right now. Russia needs to put-up more Air to Air assets to protect their attack planes and have rescue helo's in the vicinity. Fuck Turkey and I mean FUCK TURKEY!!! Those dumb asses fuck-up eveything thet touch...
That was my piece of sand, no mine! Eventually someone is going to be bombed back into the dark ages. who first?
I hope it's Turkey and anybody else who fucks with Russia protecting their ally while "Really" prosecuting the War on Terror. Instead of this "Fake" one by NATO...
BTW This had to be preplanned, there would be no time for them to shoot down this plane otherwise, especially scramble F16s to intercept. All over in seconds. SO must have been pre-planned AND that means it was organised with the USA. Turkey would never do something this big without being told.
I'm afraid you're right.
Unless it was shot down from the ground with recently delivered gear. Turks maybe, maybe claiming their F-16s did it to give cover to their ethnic Turkomen friends on the Syrian side of the border.
Then all Vlad has to do is wipe out the perps, the Turkomen friends of Erdogan.
Turkey knew the Russian aircraft were not carrying air to air missiles, that was in the public domain.
" a NATO country has openly attacked a non-NATO country"
Just let that phrase soak in for a minute.
The SU24 was probably not equipped with air to air missiles, but the f16s were, so an easy take down for f16. That will likely change.
Maybe that's what today's Fed meeting was set up to discuss.
Only 2 things are certain. Firstly the warmongers or should i say the knights of Malta are 5 moves ahead of the proles. Secondly the Paymasters or should i say the Jesuits are 5 moves ahead of the warmongers.
What their end goal is clear though. Iran and more control over their own citizens. What is also clear is that western economies are on the edge of an abyss. And central Banks and Goverment credibilty are on the line.
The Central Banks and Goverments need a Scapegoat for their actions since 2008. Desperate times call for desperate measures is their philosophy, order from Chaos their actions.
The Jesuits though know the Cycle's of the Sun and what effect it has on its creatures.
If the Turks are telling the truth about the flight path it is a Russian provocation. With Russia in coperation with France and Israel having come to a modus vivendi with Russia, this may be a move to dump Erdogan.
The movement of carriers indicates Turkish air bases may no longer be viabe for the US. At least for a while.
The fact that Russia is being very cautious means that there is more afoot than meets the eye.
Another point against Erdogan --> US bombing of tanker trucks. Drivers don't matter. The trucks do. Thus the US warning. It may come in handy to have some Muslims favorable to the US in the area when the dust settles. The Russians are notorious for being indifferent to civilian casualties. That can be useful in some cases and counterproductive in others.
sure, and nurses, doctors and patients don't matter also... so they give a warning to truck drivers who do matter ....
You were the last in the very long line when intelligence and wisdom was given to beings (humans and animals ...)
And you don't think Erdogan has outlived his usefulness? What better way to get rid of him than to let Russia do the job. Outward antagonisms do not always reflect reality.
Thus the Western powers carriers moving to the ME.
You should do some study of MSF and their relationship to ISIS. It is not exactly what you have read in the MSM.
And the Docs repeatedly gave them the hospital coordinates.
Well this is what the US explanation is.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/a39810b7161d42fcb0abe36576d26730/troops-w...
But who knows? In war EVERYONE lies. The truth, if it is ever known, will not be known for 50 years.
go fuck yourself
"more afoot then meets the eye" ?....
Wow, must be wonderfull that you got up from bed on this day and saw the light for the first time in your life...
You don't think that every situation like this in history there is "more afoot then meets the eye" ???
Just another way to say I'm speculatng.
We heard, Power supply for Cremia blast @ukrein recently. Now as the USA/NATO and its allies have been holding a grudge on Russia for exposing heir dirty work to the world on ISIS.It has been a concistent attack on Russia by all means, cause Russian civilian airplane to blast carring 240 people in Egipt and so on.It seems they have been planning such hideous attack on Russia and its allies.It is a trap to see what they can do.
Eventhough i believe Russian don't violated Turkish air space,they will lie and do transmit it in their big time media 24/7 to make it truth.otherwise knowing the enemy i don't think Russian air plane will play there unless they know they aren't violating and support evidence.
I don't think such accusation will help them,as many people are wakink up for the truth although 'big brother' willn't sleep from doing such sordid actions until they will see their arch enemy Russia, Iran Sorya and alike fall in to their pits.
ISIS cutting of Erdogan's head on Youtube with a bread knife would be welcome.
Turkish dictator doesn't want to fight ISIS and he doesn't want others to fight them. Escpecially when Kurds are in the same picture.
So they shoot a plane down from a country which is actually fighting ISIS.
Kurdish people have of course no human rights ... and nobody in NATO or UN will give a shit about them.
Turkey joining the EU? Not in 1001 years. Some people in a few countries will never accept that group of nazi-like dictator(s) moslims.
Civil war would break out before Turkey joins.
Well Erdogan is perceived as wanting to restore the Ottoman Empire with him as the Kalif. Also Turkey made a number of enemies in the US military when he blocked the US from transiting into Northern Iraq during the Gulf War. Turkey is now perceived by a number of countries as being a NATO member only when it suits Erdogan.
Then Erdogan has a lot of leaders in the Middle East that don't like him. So in addition to Russian cruise missiles hitting his air bases he may find mines in his harbors, and unknown F-15's and F-16's from the South and South West taking pot shots.
By the time his NATO allies drag their feet and get ready to move to assist him, Turkey may be part of Greater Kurdistan and Syria.
I agree - this may be a plot to depose Erdogan. See my speculation up thread.
To those who comment that Russia should retaliate:
That might be exactly what NATO and its masters intend to happen.
NATO can then invoke Article 5 and all of a sudden we have WWIII.
It might be smarter for Russia to simply wipe out every single ISIS oil truck without warning. That would screw Erdogan's brother who apparently is making a lot of money out of oil smuggling.
And of course Russia to cancel the Turkstream pipeline.
"Russia to cancel the Turkstream pipeline"
NATO probably wanted that to come to pass as well. Any outlets left for Russian energy exports besides thru the thieving Ukraine?
NATO and their terrorist cunts.
Even though a war has been going on for a loooonnng time ... let it be known that the psychopath in Turkey started the war. NATO started the war.
Russia as usual will have a unique way to respond, to the 'real' perpetrators.
The DWN is reporting that the plane was over Syrian territory and that the Turkmen-Syria rebel group is claiming responsibility. It is also reporting that Putin is keeping a cool head.
http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/
That would be something. Turkey claiming to have shot down a Russian plane and then it would be a rebel group who actually did.
Somehow I have faith that Putin keeps his head cool. It feels like he is the only leader at this point in time who does.
An interesting situation, but expected…
This might be the dreaded NATO Article 5 test for Obama? Obama wants to leave the presidency as a “…peaceful Muslim…”. This pipe dream contrasts with Article 5 of NATO which states that an attack on one Ally shall be considered an attack on all Allies. The Paris attacks did not require Obama to invoke the Article 5. Defending Turks might require Obama to honor Article 5 and truly put him to the test.
The main problem for Obama and the Dems is they have taken huge amounts of money from defense contractors that are foaming at the mouth over this Middle East conflict. These contractors are mad at Obama because they have not received the bigger government contracts promised them because Obama has diverted funds to his vote buying welfare state programs. Now the pressure may come from all sides to gear up for conflict
Then there are all the Money elite and Central Bankers who hope this conflict escalates and takes the worlds eyes off of the escalating world money problems. War is always the last resort to the money monsters to cover up their ineptitude.
very much possible...
Luckily we all have seen the last 8 years that Rules and Laws are meant to be broken ... so NATO articles don't have the same pull anymore as they did in history. EU certainly (hmmm probably ;-) won't help Turkey when they were the first who shot down an airplane... (an action which is not so very popular atm).
Maybe the headline should read. NATO PROVOKES TURKEY INTO STARTING WW3 WITH RUSSIA.
Had Poland been located next to Syria, it would have been task.
Had your mother been in Turkey they would have
used her worn out cunt as a portable toilet.
turkey is fault - they always wanted to join the eu + they profit from isis and the mess
isis is filled with turkish spys and troops
turkey gives them money and weapons (btw which they recieved from germany)
turkey is working hand in hand with cia funding the terrorists and trade with them
its not nato nor a rebel group its turkey under erdogays rule, which shot down this plane, provoking ww3
erdogay gives a shit about the pipeline with russia, he only cares to please the cia
i assume the plane was shot down because of relation to the destruction of oil-trucks - ot seems they were of turkeys property
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2015/08/15/processing-distortion-with-pe...
Erdogay is an asset of the chopped dicks. He knows his place at the table. Sweeping under it when the zios are finished.
,,,,,,and SP futures are currently, wait now............... -10.
What a joke.
Well. Suppose the plan is for the US in cooperation with Turkish generals to take over Turkey to prevent further stupidity on the part of Erdogan.
Russia is no match for American technology. Sounds like Turkey was shooting fish in a barrel with the SU-24.
sounds like you were dropped on your head at young age.
Just stating a fact Russia lover.
Sure progro
Coming from a Gay Obummer Lover your statement will be taken for what you are!
russia deserves love, unlike your ISIS or Ziocunts.
progo bited mother's titte and she dropped on his little head
He has no mother. He crawled out of a goat's ass.
It was his father's "favorite" goat.
A friend of mine with very little education is looking for work, can you let me know where he can apply for a job as a troll ?
"Russia is no match for American technology. "
yeah, the F35 would be a good example, lol :-P
SU-24 is no match for an F-16. But to say that Russia is no match for American tech is retard talk. Their missile tech is 2 gens ahead of NATO's, SU-27 / 30M / 35 are easily equal to kites like the Eurofighter and would mop the floor with an F-16. Russians also have suspiciously advanced EOM / ECM capabilities which we have only seen a glimpse of (USS Cook). I reckon Russian forces today are as formidable as it gets.
Obviously, American armed forces are easily the largest and most developed in the world - no question there. But I wouldn't count the chickens just yet. America is basically an island. For any serious, sustained, conventional power projection it needs a HUGE navy. As someone else has mentioned already, if it ever came to conventional war between Russia and US, naval vessels will fall into one of two categories - submarines or targets. In a sustained conventional conflict USN is in for hair-raising losses and that's only within the first few days. Once the fleet is dead, power projection is dead.
All of the above clarifies US strategy - they NEED to have a foothold in Europe and in MENA to maintain their power projection capability independently of the navy. In order to maintain that foothold they NEED to sabotage any budding relationships between Europe and Russia i.e. Poland, the Baltics, Ukraine); otherwise US is condemned to insignificance.
y,know, US has subs too, and lots of other bases and missles stationed all over the world.
So...
To say that Russian subs are the US 's doom is naive. You think US generals are throwing there arms up and yellng "God, I hope no Russian subs get near our carriers!!! otherwise all is lost!!"
please...
But, direct war with Russia and the US would be catastrophic for the world. Lets hope cooler heads prevail.
read up on russian shkval supercavitating torpedoes, pretty much game over in seconds for any target once its launched
You haven't been paying attention as the Russian
were lobbing missiles from the Caspian Sea at targets in Syria.
I have a feeling you need to grab a map to realize the significance of that.
There is your trigger for WWIII. Be prepared.
There is your trigger for WWIII. Be prepared.
And stocks bounce up again. Guess who's buying stocks.
MSM is sticking to the script this morning and ignoring this news. Just whistling past the graveyard. They scroll that the plane was shot down but are not discussing any of the aspects of the shootdown.
Alas Babylon.
Just sayin'.
The Russian haters rejoice of 3rd gen plane shotdown an "un-armed" 2nd gen aircraft?? Well.. pathetic as it is, so be it.
(Look at that video. All Su-24 hardpoints are empty. Meaning it just completes its missions. That shotdown acts, even between "real" fighter pilot? Are a cowards acts. But again? What do those Russian haters trolls knows about gallantry anyway.)
What i do concerns is how high, Russia will escalate this.
Remember this incident?
http://theaviationist.com/2015/10/05/russian-su-30sm-su-24-violate-turki...
Do Russia shoots their missiles? NO. And that is against an armed F16's.
That is professional courtessy. Those sukhoi's pilot gives their benefit of the doubt.
And Turkey now returns the favor like this coward acts? Even if Putin's doesn't want to escalate this? It won't be possible. Russian citizens would demand a retaliatory actions to whoever done this to their heroes pilots.
And that EXACTLY why this is such a dangerous escalations of this conflict.
Look in a few days after RU MoD declares their planes did shotdown by turkey's F16. You'll russian people demanding retaliations.
Such a very foolish acts..
Oops!! Double post. Sorry..
One aircrew dead, possible both..rebels twitter ugly pics and akbars!
this looks turks ambushed...fired from turkie into Syria
SU24 possibly crossed Turk airspace 3 km 19 seconds,(according to Turk radar claim)
but looks turned and was quickest way to avoid, already being locked on...
Now let's see what these "Turkmen" do to the Russian pilot. I'm sure ISIS would pay a nice sum to them.
Erdogan is a Crypto following Benji's & R's instructions
You, sir, have nailed it.
+1000
Obama can't wait to protect his Muslim ISIS brothers.
He left $500 million in equipment to help them as well as TOW missliles.
Obama's neocons want WWIII
The Russian Fleet needs to get out of the Black Sea, Turkey is opening the gates now.
The Black Sea is Russia's bathtub. GFY!
Russia can open the gates any time.
Hell they might do Europe a favor and take back
European soil back from Turkey. Maybe present
a nice gift to Bulgaria.
You must realize that Turkey had to have Obama's/NATO approval to shoot down the planes?
This gets bigger now.
Erdogan doesn't even breathe or chew without command from the WH. This whole episode stinks.
My prediction stands: Turkey will be cooked on Thanksgiving.
Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Cdkf3Xx3nw
RIP
Very doubtful, would the Turks have knocked a US jet out of the sky in the same situation?
Russia is too aggressively exploiting the power vacuum in U.S. Presidency, the risk is that a major war will be catastrophic for Russia, Putin is taking too many risks , most of them unnecessary, clearly he sees warmongering as a way to stay safely in power, at the expense often of Russia's legitimate strategic interests.
What are Russia's legitimate strategic interests? How are current Russian govt's actions (including Putin's) at the expense of those goals?
A Syrian Government S400 will accidentally take down an aircraft very soon! And the aircraft will NOT be a Russian plane!
Putin don't give the Zionists the war they want. Put some s400s on the Turkish border.
Does isis have ufo? Nice work turk. The enemies on the ground....right?
Quit being a tool.
Turkey has called for NATO meeting. Will ask Big brother to protect him. This is intentional isn't it? Turkey did this on purpose. PM won't strip smiling and telling world that they must respect Turkey's airspace.
Turks with American technology.
It would be waste of oil to go around this part of turkey that goes south deeper into syria. Why would russian jet go around it, eazier to go through it... tho the price of going through turkish border was death. Respect borders or die. Same should go for refugees respect borders and laws and if you invade other country you die.
Incidents like this make me believe we are getting closer to a full blown out WW3, with nukes.
As an avid reader of history Russia, will be forced to retaliate, or be viewed as all bravado. It's as simple as that. The Washington consensus has moved the first pawn, now it is Russia's turn. The puppet masters in the West must be laughing.
Rumor has it they weren't laughing when a Russian aircraft turned off an AEGIS destroyer headed for Crimea....
Not just Russia. The US would not let this pass either.
Someone loves poking that bear.......i'm not sure this all ends well....hope i'm wrong but this last act feels incredibly arrogant and cant help but notice the link between ISIS oil assets blowing up and this "act of vengenance" from Turkey.
I've always thought Europe was going to descend into war again, but with the EU they were mostly on the same side. Is this all moving th EU to break up? Move France onto the other team...siding with Russia,China, Greece, Iran etc. You cant have world war with a united Europe it doesn't work...and someone wants a big war...who?
A lot of people dying :-(
The same country who couldn't respect a moment of silence just days ago, NATO or not, their loyalties lie elsewhere.
Whats the odds the Kurd PKK will start showing up to the party with advanced Russian firepower?
Thats is my bet. Erdogan will scream!!! Viva Kurdistan. The turkish assholes lost a lot of its Chaliphate in the past 150 year in similar way.
Note this relatively small jet left such a large debris field when compared to the Boeing 757's that supposedly hit the Pentagon & Shanksville PA.
Here, confirmations by Putin's himself.
https://www.rt.com/news/323262-putin-downing-plane-syria/
Turkey, you better know, what you're dealing with. Do you really thinks you can play your sunni's terrorists forever?
Parallels to the beginning of WWI.
Go us? Go them? So hard to keep score.
More accurate than the MSM article I just read that stated "both pilots ejected to safety".
That was a fast trip thru Turkey, if the radar image is correct. Will be interested to find out if Turkey chased them down, and shot them down in Syria.
They didn't need. The locked on and fired the missiles while in Turkey. It was an ambush. Probably the Turkmens in Syria were acting as Combat Controllers (ie, combat air traffic control) and Turkey picked up enough of their routine to know when to jump them.
Skynews is saying both pilots are dead. I hope it was quick and I pray for their families.
Al Nusra machine-gunned them as they descended under parachute.
The Turkish generals will depose Erdogan. The "excuse" being to prevent WW3.
One can hope.
Putin should shoot down an Israeli plane.
And get ready for the dancing in the streets around the world.
The Jewvision can film and save it.
Cabbage indigestion, Vlad?
So I hear that Turkey is about to have a huge Kurd problem. Hmm, that would keep them busy. Just a nice well armed, equiped and trained war to destroy their country. See how you like them apples Erdogan. Oh yea I'd bet your son is now on a hit list so you may want to hide him.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Look for Russia to arm the Kurds big time.
Kurd with S-500s ought to do it.
Welcome to World War 3. Enjoy your stay.
I heard russian cruise missles are very inaccurate. Time for a few to fly off course straight into the heart of turkeys capitol. Accidents are inevitable
"istanbul not constantinople" now back to Constantinople?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsQrKZcYtqg
That gets my vote...and push the fucking Turks back out of Europe.
Erdogan openly supported ISIS and other terrorists by downing Russian SU-24M about 2.5 miles from the border. He threaten Russians to stop bombing Turkey supported Syrian Turkmen militia just few day ago. The only question is why there was not SU-31 as a cover, which would engage F16 and shoot them down. May be Putin wanted to use such a event in some way to put pressure on the west to depose Erdogan because Russia has capability such as S-300 to shot them down within all the Turkish territory.
More detail at:
https://syrianwarupdate.wordpress.com/
They had no fighter escort because they were not expecting a challenge from the air.
I bet they will on the next mission.
So the Turkish 'explanation' shows the Russian jet EXITING Turkish airspace? 'Splain dat!
Cowards shooting a man in the back. Muzzies.
Running away from a missle. Apparently that is what it takes for russian planes to get the message.
BREAKING:
MIGRANTS "REFUGEES" CRISIS ORDERED BY UN:
" R E P L A C E M E N T M I G R A T I O N "
http://www.un.org/esa/population/publications/migration/migration.htm
Erdogan probably upset that Russia is taking out ISIS oil production and tankers that are selling cheap oil to Turkey.
Let's see if Putin has more control than I.
If I were in his shoes Turkey would be losing an entire Airforce base right now.
Only one? Turkey being in NATO was a joke from day one. we just needed a place to base missles.
Turkey backstabbing???
No shit??? What the fuck does the EU think that Turkey is doing to them.
I say fuck it, take back Constantinople from the Ottoman assholes.
and give it back to the Byzantines
Turkey's potential action (which actually happened today) must have been preaproved with DC. The plane was no threat to Turkey even if violating their airspace for mission purposes on Syrian ground. The margin where the plane was located was razor thin, hence I conclude that Erdogan was triger happy. This would not have happened, if US planes were operating in their airspace. To me, it is obviously a trap. Russia now brings natgas sanctions to Turkey and must win the pipeline in Syria because now Turkey basically has no choise but to fulliy work with ISIL to secure the Quatar pipeline and gas.
How does the ISIS black market oil work into that scenario?
Is this payback for Putin bombing 500 of "their" oil tankers?
Implications of such action are much greater. The game is much bigger that a simple 'payback'. Military men are forward looking, so we must also. Chess is being played forward, not backwards. OK, maybe Erdogan is narrow minded in this case.
Russia was told not to operate in Turkish skies. I guess Pootin didn't believe it.
What better way to show your support to ISIS.
People die in war. That is a given. I am more concerned for Turkey now. They just pulled a bigger blunder than Hitler's Operation Barbarossa when he double crossed the Soviet Union. You think terrorists are willing to die? Ha! Russians are 10000x crazier.
Russians aren't crazier. They are quite sane.
What they are is determined and tough as hell.
Good time for all private sector, secular Turks to scaddle out of there as Muslim extremists take over and soon begin arresting/imprisoning/beheading the moderates.
I thought the SU 24 was supposed to be, "bad ass". I guess F22's are not needed.
I wonder how many chances Pootin would give F16's over Russia.
Stupid comment, laugh your/our way into WW3 idiot.
I couldn't care less what any of you think. After three years I would think y'all would have figured that out.
I think the F-16 has to be rated one of the top military aircraft of moden history given it's cost and capabilities.
SU 24 is a 40 years old design. It's not even a fighter...it's a tactical bomber.
A video on the tv clearly shows two parachutes at altitude coming down. There are reports that the rebels, previously trained by our CIA before they became ISIS, shot one of the crew dead upon landing.