This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.
Putin Accuses Obama Of Leaking Flight Details To Turkey After Russia Releases Video Of S-400 SAM Deployment In Syria
As reported two days ago, one of the first decisions a very angry Russia took in the aftermath of the shooting down of its Su-24 by a Turkish F-16 was to dispatch a Moskva guided-missile cruiser off the coast of Syria to provide air cover for its jets operating near Latakia, as well as send an unknown number of ultramodern S-400 (or SA-21 Growler in NATO designation) SAM batteries to Latakia to make sure that the tragic incident from Tuesday never repeats itself by sending Turkey a very clear message that the next time a Turkish warplane engages a Russian jet, Russia will immediate retaliate using ground forces.
Earlier today, Russia made a very explicit demonstration of the deployment of at least two S-400 batteries at Syria's Khmeimim airbase, with the Russian Ministry of Defense promptly publicizing the arrival with the following clip.
With a range of 250 miles, the S-400 could easily strike Turkish targets, and as the map below shows, Russia could even take down targets over northern Israel. As cited by the Independent, Nick de Larrinaga, Europe editor of the defense magazine IHS Jane’s Defense Weekly, said it would be “a significant increase” in the reach of Russian air-defense capacities. “The message that the Russians are trying to send is that they’re capable of defending themselves in Syria, should the situation escalate."
Needless to say, the US was not enthused and earlier today the US embassy in Moscow said that the "Russian deployment of the S-400 air-defense system to Syria won't aid the fight against the Islamic State, with the US diplomat adding that the US is hopeful Russia won’t use the system to target planes flown by international coalition since Islamic State doesn’t have air force." Clearly a warning to Putin not to dare use the rockets against Turkish (or other coalition) jets.
So what is Putin's intention by escalating the military deployment of Russian weapons in Syria? Conveniently he explained his thinking just a few hours ago during his press conference with Francois Hollande. In answering a question by a reporter from French Le Monde, Putin said the following:
"The S-400 is an air defense system. The reason we didn't have the system in Syria is because we thought our planes were flying at high enough altitudes where a terrorist could not reach them; they don't have weapons capable of downing our planes at the altitude of over 3 or 4 thousand meters. And We could never think that we could be stabbed in the back by a country we regarded as our ally. Our planes operated at altitudes of 5-6,000 meters and were completely unprotected against potential attacks from fighter jets - we could never imagine that that could be possible otherwise we would deploy such systems in the area protecting our bombers against possible attacks."
...
"We never did it because we regarded Turkey as our friend, we never expected an attack from that side. This is why we regard this attack as that of a traitor. But now we that this is possible, and we have to protect our planes. This is why we deployed a modern system, the S-400, it has a pretty long range and it's one of the most effective systems of this kind in the world. We will not stop there: if we have to we will also deploy our fighter jets in the area."
Bottom line: another direct engagement by a Turkish fighter will be its last, and in fact now that Russia is prepared we would not be at all surprised to see Russia cross into Turkish airspace on purpose just to provoke Erdogan to repeat the events from last week, only this time with the Russian ready and prepared to retaliate to any engagement. In fact, the odds of Russia doing just that in the next few days are especially high.
But while the reason behind the S-400 deployment was largely known to most, where Putin's press conference took an unexpected detour was what he said just around 20:30 in, when in not so many words, Putin effectively accused the US of leaking the coordinates of the Russian plane to Turkey, which was merely a hitman acting with the blessing of the Pentagon.
This is what Putin said:
"We told our US partners in advance where, when at what altitudes our pilots were going to operate. The US-led coalition, which includes Turkey, was aware of the time and place where our planes would operate. And this is exactly where and when we were attacked. Why did we share this information with the Americans? Either they don't control their allies, or they just pass this information left and right without realizing what the consequences of such actions might be. We will have to have a serious talk with our US partners.
In other words, just like in the tragic bombing of the Kunduz hospital by US forces (which has now been attributed to human error), so this time the target was a Russian plane which the US knew about well in advance, was targeted however not by the US itself, but by a NATO and US-alliance member, Turkey.
And while the deployment of the Russian SAM missiles was already known, the real message from today's presser, the one that will be the topic of a private and "serious talk with Russia's US partners", is that Putin indirectly blames Obama for what happened on Tuesday realizing that Erdogan was merely the "executor", one who is simply motivated to protect his (and his son's) Islamic State oil routes.
Full press conference below; the discussion of Russia's S-400 deployment begins 17:30 in:
»
- 3920 reads
- Printer-friendly version
- Send to friend
- advertisements -
"But, did Syria invite France in to do so?" well, yes
not directly. through Russia. That's the whole point of the meeting Hollande had with Putin
when it comes to the Islamic State in Syria, there is now a Franco-Russian alliance against it, assisted by Germany
I guess it will take some time for this to get on most people's radar, then it's two NATO countries fighting with Russia
the most interesting part is from where the German Tornados will make their sorties
I think a lot of Americans would like to have a talk with U.S. leadership on just what in the fuck they think they're doing? Provoking WWIII? Is this what the American people really want?
Did it ever occur to you that several governments are being black,ailed to do these things?
black,ailed via the nuclear weapons hidden in washington d.c. and moscow?
Again, doesn't it seem plausible that there would be such weapons? The U.S. and Russia (and their "helpers") have had decades to place such weapons. Just because istthetiming is getting some things wrong, that still seems like a probable scenario.
Very unlikely, and if you can't puzzle that out for yourself, there's really no point explaining it to you.
That's just a cheap and lazy answer, ebear. Why don't you explain why that isn't plausible? I'm serious. I have the usual advanced degree; I know how to read and reason, and I don't see why one country couldn't plant a nuke in another country; it would be the easiest thing. Each side has had decades to do it. I know plenty of "educated" people who think that this has been done. So don't be lazy; tell me why it is not plausible.
Wow, quickest response I ever got! Thanks!
I have no advanced degree in anything, but I do know this:
Nuclear weapons and their control systems need to be maintained. You can't just place them somewhere and expect them to work 20 years later. Additionally, they would be easy to detect since, besides their radioactive signature, they'd have to be placed where they could do maximum damage, which confines the search area for anyone looking, and I'm pretty sure that search has been done by now.
Then there's the problem created if your nukes are discovered and their ownership established (not hard to do from an analysis of the materials involved). What do you think the outcome of that would be for the offending nation once the weapon(s) had been disarmed?
Of course this assumes that the nukes are secret and not known to their victims, in which case, how do you blackmail them without informing them of their existence?
Catch 22
I will grant you that it's not impossible, but then I didn't say that. Just that it's very unlikely.
Now, tell me you couldn't arrive at those same conclusions without an advanced degree, and I'll tell you what I really think.
You don't actually even need to plant a nuke; you just need to convince the right people that it is there.
But I doubt that such maneuvers are necessary when you already control the body politik by other means.
why is everyone piling onto isthetiming for everything he writes? some of it is right, some of it isn't. I don't think he's a troll. I am sure that several governments are being blackmailed here.
I agree with you on the blackmail, though the means are technicalities.
European nations are vassals to the USA, all of them. Individual officials and politicians who resist this, face increasing pressure till the penny drops. Opposition leaders are read the riot act once they get into power.
The only Euro leader that has shown any spine this past decade, has been Viktor Orban, the Hungarian Prez who does not want his country to participate in the immigrant fest.
#blackmailmatters?
I do not see any of these people that were protesting against Bush out there marching for peace. That leaves me with the conclusion that they do approve
you don't see anyone marching for peace except the syrian refugees.
bush was a tool and a fool; obama the same.
it's not what the u.s. political parties differ about that's the problem, it's what they agree on.
The lack of action by Dems on Obama's wars is as disappointing as the lack of alarm bells and action by Republicans when Bush was setting the table for Obama and all other Shadow Government C.O.G. puppet regimes here in the US. Really everyone in the US with their ridiculous partisanship has some measure of blame unless you've consistently actively been against the wars and the stripping of economic and civil liberties the past 14+ years (and really we should still be upset about the Coup of 1913, 1963 and the 1971 gold window closing).
A few years ago, Maxine Waters, the black Congresswoman from LA, wrote an article calling people RACIST who didn't support Obama's bombing of Libya!! She said that people had no problem supporting white presidents demands to start wars so they just had to be racists, not matter how liberal they said they were. Only AIPAC wants wars in the ME and she fears AIPAC will do to her what they did to Cnthia Mckinney who was targeted for removal for her unwillingness to support Israel's genocide of the Palestinians
Maxine Waters, the black Congresswoman from LA
Can we stop all the bullshit pretense and just call a spade a spade?
#blacksupremacistsmatter
It's too dangerous to protest these days - they simply kill you with impunity !
Whither Cindy Sheehan ( the infamous anti-american antiwar protestor, so desribed by fauxnews during one of their orgasms of fauxpatriotism) and Code Pink?
Funny how anti-war suddenly became uncool when they elected kenyapeaceprizeboy.
Americans can't be bothered to put down their iShit or turn away from the TV to see what's going on.
That's too much like work. It detracts for pleasure seeking.
How can you be a dedicated follower of fashion if you're browsing ZH?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQAR-nx4w88
why yes..yes it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNr5czZKEdk
The stupidity of the masses is simply mind boggling! I don't know whether to puke, laugh, cry or do it all at once. This state of affairs here is just unbelievable. Is a flipping Xbox and Dancing With the Stars that mind numbing???? We live in a world of zombies. The majority of the population "is" the walking dead. They don't have a reanimation virus, they got a neon god!!!!
The Old Man
hence the popularity in the US of movies etc about zombies - they really can identify with them
Those videos are hard to watch but education overrides our comfort. What percentage of our population do these people represent? 80 to 90%? Do they even know what planet they're riding around the Sun? (the Sun? what's a "sun" dude?)
Yay! Democracy!
No or neyt
Assad's a bad man. He got to go. Bullshit, the ME was under control with Saddam Hussein, Khadaffi and Mubarak.
Hindsight being 20/20, that is. It takes a madman evil dictator to control these assholes.
It's just the opposite here at home, our elected need to be reigned in.
that would be reined in, like mules. they got more than enough reign.
regarding the me strongmen, they frightened israel. israel and its puppet the u.s. want failed states all around israel, utterly unable to govern themselves, much less make war on brave little israel (or resist the depredations of u.s. corporations).
Once again we have to turn to ZH to get these kind of information (as they are totally absent in mainstream media) , and once again I am totally amazed at the the large scale of rotten plots that NATO (Obama) is engaged in , trying to sabotage the Russian mission against ISIS.
I would have expected more from America. Russia deserves in my view some respect for what they are doing because It’s not Russia who are a threat to the world, it’s islam.
Your second paragraph contradicts you first paragraph.
Anyway, this might help:
"Yep, son. We have met the enemy and he is us." — Pogo
Which your first paragraph addressed.
I am happy to say I have managed to convince at least 4-5 friends to start reading ZH
A friend of mine introduced zerohedge to me about a year ago. I've been active reader (not so much commentator) ever since. Slowly phasing out Yahoo et al all together, can't get an accurate/nonpropogandized local,state, or national newspaper. And the facts are available for free.
A friend of mine introduced zerohedge to me about a year ago. I've been active reader (not so much commentator) ever since. Slowly phasing out Yahoo et al all together, can't get an accurate/nonpropogandized local,state, or national newspaper. And the facts are available for free.
captain nemo: don't confuse isis with muslims. isis is the rebranding/recreation of al qaeda by the u.s. cia and the israeli mossad.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=isis+was+created+by+the+cia+and+moss...
Nemo is prolly a jew-zion troll. Islam is a peaceful religion.
you are certainly right that russia deserves more respect.
putin is as good a leader of his country as bush/obama have been bad for theirs, both morally based on transcendant values and practically based on long-term global geostrategy.
What valid alternatives are there to transcendant moral values?
Answer: NONE !
Thinking that Putin's gonna be sticking a broomstick in bho's bosses 'new world order' wheel as he's hoping to run out the clock!
"Those Chicago guys 'll try anything,they're a bunch of gangsters."
theres a report out of Syria the Paris shooters received their final training in lsrael,,,,,and then theres this Australian report verifying hundreds of 'rebels' receive medical treatment in lsrael
http://www.voltairenet.org/article189411.html
AND, Putin never mentions this.
Just like ISIS and others never mention attacking Israel.
putin never mentions an unverified report that first appeared on some blog?
Come now, Morning Star.
fukinA ther's one adult leader in the world...my guess is that Putin has never been accused of gaynees nor has he ever been photoed riding a motor scooter sneaking off to bop his girl friend so his wife wouldn't find out (Hollande-ish like).
I understand that the Dems thwart attempts to rein in Obama but someone has to have some balls or the US will be done before O is gone....on the other hand there is so much shit happening I can't really know what O has in mind. I suppose he could be so cowered, blackmailed or just disinterested that he has no controll over the CIA/NSA/Pentagon/MCainiacs/and Neocons. At least the Republicans have that CongressChick from Hawaii(even if she does pretend to be a D)
Putin sure rubbed Turkey and U.S. noses in a lot of shit in that presser and Hollande looked a bit uncomfortable and practically bum rushed Putin off the stage.
What's to stop the SAS or Special Forces ground troops infiltrating this area and taking these installations out and blaming it on ISIS?
Russians.
Too funny
and Iranians
and hezbollah.
and, for all we know, the actually people charged with the job first, the syrian army of assad.
A battalion of russians. About 1250 of them if I remember correctly, tanks, apcs and all. Only in the movies do special forces sneak into very active and heavily guarded bases to sabotage things with any chance of success of getting out alive.
Would probably make a successful Hollywood movie though. I can see the cover now... two navy seals carrying a wounded third between them, explosions to the left and right of them with a Mi-28 coming in meanacingly behind them as they try escape.
I have a feeling that the whole fucking house is going down if they can't get Assad out of there. Even if I were a corrupt pentagram sychophant, I would have pulled the plug on all of this long ago.
The Qataris and Saudis must be ready to somehow knock the USDs dick in the dirt if Assad is not removed. That is the only reason I can think of for the US to be stepping in all this shit.
I know Assad ain't no Baptist preacher, but he's Ba'ath Party. (So was Saddam Hussein) So the surrounding countries don't really like them/him. Why? I think for the most part Assad's followers are moderate and secular Muslims of the Islamist faith. Why is this important? Why is a secular Islamist sect in charge of a country up to no good because they squash extremist Islamic beliefs? Seems to me that a person who wants to control a country without the extremes of the faith, has something going for him. Bringing a country into the 21st century with freedom of religion under certain circumstances, which is pretty difficult in the ME, might probably be a good idea. Now the question is, what did he do so horribly wrong that any other sovereign nation would'nt do to maintain order for the general populace of that country? Besides the fact that he's really just an Opthomologist.
Well????
The Old Man
a) He didn't have a central bank.
b) He wasn't a vassal.
Same thing really.
words are cheap vlad. ain't been goin' to bat for you last 2 yrs. for nothin'.
It's a clear message to NATO too...I don't give a damn fuck Turkey is one of you if Erdogan cross the line we will crush him.
It is our duty still to endeavor to avoid war; but if it shall actually take place, no matter by whom brought on, we must defend ourselves. If our house be on fire, without inquiring whether it was fired from within or without, we must try to extinguish it.
Thomas Jefferson
hey putin, you can't trust those maggots. half the time they shoot down their own planes and helicopters. this was no accident and neither was that hospital shellacking.
This whole debacle is just getting silly.
Aliens promised the few "chosenites" they won't be slaves, in the aftermath of mankinds' demise.
Are you serious? I'm curious if you have a link to that if for no other reason to go down a new rabbithole.
OK, now that made me laugh (which is mostly why I'm here, mostly)
In case you missed NATO press conference on November 24, 2015.
No comment needed.
http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_125052.htm
Yep! This had the stink of a U.S.-initiated op all over it from start to finish.
Turkey was assured that Russia would not retaliate militarily because Turkey is NATO.
But Russia is retaliating - in a very smart and effective way, broad-based and including military options that are drawing a red line by Putin - and we all know that Putin's red lines are not to be crossed, and if you do it, you will pay dearly.
So yet again the U.S. is throwing another of its allies under the bus.
I'm waiting to see Russia provoke Turkey and the U.S. like a man walking along the fence line where there's a mad dog, and the man has his back pockets stuffed with sausages....
Putin is no damn coward or pussy - he's got kahunas the size of bowling balls - if the U.S. and Turkey thought they could discourage Putin into quitting Syria, by escalating his costs, they sure as hell don't know the Russian psyche!
Um, did you notice the russian airliner going down, or the fighter jet going down, or a couple covert bombings in russia?
Has russia fired up Turkey or NATO. Does Putin has the kahunas to prevent NATO from flying into Syria and bombing at will?
Try to go to the nearest Maidan and intensively to jump there a couple of minutes. Maybe, get better.
To Joe Tierney:
"So yet again the U.S. is throwing another of its allies under the bus."
You read it all wrong; they will never, ever throw Turkey under the bus; Turkey is too valuable to NATO.
What was achieved on 23rd Nov 2015, was the destruction of Russo-Turkic relations. In a way, this was a smart move by the disgusting reptilian neocons.
The cost to said disgusting reptilian neocons, is that Turkey and NATO are now outed as being the unofficial air force of ISIS, and also, Putin now has a mandate to arm Syria to the teeth with Russian hardware and personnel.
The destruction of Turkey.....this is like 1916 again. Turkey will break up. The Kurds will get their state and Erdogan, who is not really Turkish but Georgian, will see the splitting up of the Kemalist state just as he destroyed its secular heritage. Turkey was the Sick Man of Europe in the 1800s and its decay is the real reason for WW1. Every component part of the Ottoman Empire was rotten - and now Turkey and Saudi are competing to see who can rebuild a Sunni Caliphate and the Anglo-Americans are their mercenaries
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2015/11/why-west-wont-hit-isis-where-i...
Does Putin has the kahunas to prevent NATO from flying into Syria and bombing at will?
How will Obama explain the missing irradiated voters in key US cities in the 2016 Election ?
Looks like the Chess Master is going to peel France away from NATO. Am I wrong but is nuking MECCA not the ultimate bluff call. The terrorist puppets are Sunni that free Russia will have to deal with sooner or later so why not nuke them now or allow Iran to make the hit with geo-sensitive nuke. Langley will think for a while then decide "well, the price of oil went up, let's pack our bags and go home."
Russia could use the same justification as US used in WW2. Nuke them to force surrender and save future lives by destroying the Saudi cockroaches
Why nuke Mecca, Saudi Arabia has destroyed most of it already
I think the US Coalition, or Turkey "boy" in this case, should, in fact test the water over the next few days. I then think that the Russian forces should do what they have to do, as strike three means you're out. You know it's one thing for Russia to get involved to maintain Sryian sovereignty, and fight ISIS and anyone else opposed, but for the US to lapdog Turkey, as bad as they are as a NATO member, to do this, as a test to see where Putin will go, well, I think they slapped the wrong bear. Russia will use those. Don't even take bet on it. They are not very amennable to being lied to when supposedly being supported for their efforts. They learned a lot in Afganistan. And they're not there now. This is real shit folks. They growed up real good.
In reality, our gangsters are pushing the envelope of another gangster. Get the point. Collatoral damage is just the way it goes.
They have a wonderful way of talking their way out of it here with the ZOMBIE electorit. And the ZOMBIES nod and raise their fists in anger!
Boy, do I love living in this time????? Ain't it great!
The Old Man
The United States led by Obama had an historic opportunity to enter an alliance with The Russian Federation to combat radical Islam. The Obama administration instead decided to ally itself with the likes of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey. Future historians will cite that lost opportunity as one of the largest amongst the Obama administration's many failings. Why the United States is allied with the countries directly inciting radical Islam instead of with the Christian Russian Federation fighting radical Islam is beyond me. It must be because President Obama is a Muslim himself and prefers aiding radical Islam efforts to destroy the remaining Christian presence in the Middle East and North Africa and spreading death and destruction to the Christain West.
"The United States led by Obama had an historic opportunity to enter an alliance with The Russian Federation to combat radical Islam."
Ok, a few things:
1. Obama's daddy was British Kenyan, which makes him ineligible for the presidency,
2. Obama was, and still is, an Indonesian citizen, which makes him ineligible for the presidency,
3. Obama, as a male indonesian who attended an Indonesian school, is a muslim.
Knowing all of the above, does your statement make any sense?
Squid
I think people give Obummer too much credit. Who's pulling the strings is the problem.
when you can't perceive a ventriloquist moving his lips, do you believe it's the dummy actually talking?
they nurture a whole crop of dummies and pick the one most palatable to the public to regurgitate their propaganda through the ventriloquist teleprompter
if you buy into the notion that Obama is running the show, they're doing their job
Your statement:
"The United States led by Obama had an historic opportunity to enter an alliance with The Russian Federation to combat radical Islam" is factually incorrect.
The US created 'radical Islam' to fight the Soviets (Russians).
A more acccurate restatment:'
"The United States led by Obama had an historic opportunity to fool the Russian Federation into supporting radical Islam. But Putin and the Russians didn't fall for it.
@ gregga777
Your 2 down votes are from members of WallyWorld, aka NSA. Now several cruise missiles into NSA H/Q would do the whole world a huge favour.
You left out any mention of israel in the motivations or instructions made to a puppet who had a Mossad spy as his first Chief of Staff and is advised by Soros, Sunstein, and Axelrod, inter alia...
Why?
Dual citizens for the motherfucking win!
AGAIN!
FUCK YEAH!
Putin's side of the story makes perfect sense as well as having facts on his side, athough, he had to have known that this would be a possibility.
I seem to remember that the US didn't want to divulge areas where they didn't want Putin to strike... why? Because they know exactly how they would use that information if they were in his shoes.
Psychopaths tend to use human empathy or even honor etc., against others, this is a huge advantage. Putin at some point will have to make some very hard decisions and you can bet your ass they will make sure that he has to.
think he knows he can salvage 1/3 to 1/2 of his population with shelters, geography. etc. and we can only salvage 15-20% of ours in an all-out. that's leaves china to pick up marbles. can vlad live with that?
I don't think it will go beyond conventional but there is no telling with what we have in power. The question we should be asking is what will this world look like if the Neocons, Saudis, Israelis etc., gain complete control.
Have you ever seen the movie Caligula? I really don't think that scenario would be that far off the mark. This evil has been rampaging, murdering, torturing and child raping across the globe and something has to give.
Nuclear blast dome that anyone can make anywhere in the world, for peanuts and over a couple of days, (depending on size).
A low flat windowless dome much like an igloo made from packed earth. Domes are inherently strong structures and will survive when straight lines have been blown away.
You pack clay containing earth into sand bags and tamp them down in place to a brick like state. The walls have to be 3 feet thick or more. If you live in a damp/wet climate or have sandy earth then mix cement into the earth before packing into the bags. You keep sand bags inside the dome to seal the entrance after you enter. leave only a small gap for air.
Won't survive a direct hit but then, bugger all will. Better to be underground of course but that's quite a bit more expense and work and it will still not survive a direct hit.
Cost: Some plastic sand bags and dirt. Maybe cement.
e.g. google "earthbag domes". The construction method is identical but you're looking to build something lower with 3 foot thick walls, no windows and with only a crawl space as a door.
I think Putin is playing the classic strategy of dropping a few kernels of corn on the ground in the to draw the hogs into the trap. The US was just played by Putin. He is showing the Chinese and other watchful countries how deceitful and untrustworthy the US is, thus attracting to his side countries sitting on the fence. In addition, the actions of the US and Turkey have given Putin justification for closing the Syrian Turkish border and now closing the Syrian skies to Turkish jets. The Russians are seen to be the ally of the Kurds more than the US is now, since the US has been unwilling to reign in Ergodan's bombing of Syrian and Iraqi Kurdish forces.
After today, Obama will need a vacation to recoup at a local Chicago bathhouse.
Yeah, his bath house is called "The Rump Rangers", comes complete with long rubber duckies.
Tiny dancer will need a rest from the protests coming in chicago tomorrow. He will "meat" up with Barry
I made a mistake, forgot about the upcoming Climate Change meeting in Paris. At the cost of $206,337/hr on Airforce One, preaching about climate change terrorism. Barry can find a red district bathhouse in Paris and comp the US taxpayers.
(Blues Brothers) Do you see the light.m4v
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX5tfRdkoY0 (0:30)
Obama will be playing digital golf to clear his mind after this screwup
"Is this what the American people really want?"
50% of the American people are on welfare and could care less or have not a clue what their (deep state) leaders, the oligarchs are up to. They have no idea that there are oligarchs. 40% are busy working to support themselves and also pay to support the 50% who do not work. They're tired and when home try to spend time raising kids, fixing meals and/or relaxing watching NFL, Kim K's butt or listening to CNN, Faux or other propaganda media. 10% are acutely aware of world events but are split in their assessment of what is happening. 5% believe Russia is bad, Assad is bad, Iran is bad and China is bad. The remaining 5% may have a better understanding but most of these have not figured out how to overcome the massive control, media, politics, education, military and police that control the US. The American people want their comforts, free stuff, freedom from thinking and prime TV channels, other wise they don't give a rip.
that's pretty much it.
Well said.
Having said that.....
If the missles start flying, all of the above will wish that they had paid closer attention to the idiots that they FREELY voted into office in Washington to act on their behalf. So while what you wrote above is true, what I wrote is also true.
Squid
Not all Rev, not all.
Able bodied welfare recipients get sent to the front.
Theres yer shovel ready job yer narcissitic inept nigger pussyboy promised ya bra.
Can we start with the management teams of Goldman Suchs, JPM, Citi, and Bank of America, being they're the largest of all welfare queens? Then move on to UHC, Big PHarm, Monsanto, and then CONgress? Then all the retired 40 year old cops pulling in 6 figure pensions for 20 year careers? State troopers? Local blue heroes who love their checkpoints? DSS/CPS workers, teachers, DMV workers, ObamaCare architechts (hello Gruber), and some welfare dindus too?
After that force is exhausted (and it will take a while), we can start sending in the illegals next, led by their H1B engineers, and all the HR executives at the front? Then the CEOs who moved America's factories overseas too?
Damn by the time the enemy is done killing 150M leeches, they'll be damn near out of ammo and their barrels shot out. The good Americans then come in and mop up.
Are you all ready to appoint me Supreme Commander yet?
Based on random sampling, 97.5% of Americans are incapable of rational thought and merely react to the stimuli of the propaganda. We've become producing - consuming machines, often more consuming than producing but in all cases paying taxes to the deep state at every turn of the crank. And we call it living!
Yes, and they want to use 25 % of world energy, for free if possible.
And they produce 25 % of world´s waste, these nice innocent people of US.
Don´t wonder if the rest of the world wants to get rid of them.
As far as I am concerned, this is the best and most succint summary of 'Murica I've ever seen.
You win the internet on this Black Friday, my friend.
Bravo!
The easiest way to align the battlefield is to nuke the black rock. C-4 the Dome for good measure.
Don't destroy the balck rock...just nuke it enough to make it highly radioactive. That way these crazy muzzies will make their yearly hijera (or whatever) for fifty years and get cancer and die.
Sweet two aircraft carrier battle groups fk ur big cruiser russia, dumbasses come on they will eat u alive.... not counting allies putin dare u!
An aircraft carrier against ground based air craft?
Seriously?
Good luck with that.
Squid
What are you, the denatured alcohol drunk? So sleep it off.
Russian cruiser Mosvka carries 16 × P-500 Bazalt or P-1000 Vulkan anti-ship missiles which are designed to take out a US carrier group. Half the missles head for the carrier, the rest go for the surrounding ships. It's quite possible the Moskva could cost a carrier battle group very heavily.
Um, Putin is fighting Mostly foreign jihadi mercenaries whove made a habit of murdering civilians.
And you are cheering against him why?
Do you even know?
Out of every website I go to there is no other that compares to ZeroHedge for the crashes, popups, email requests, crash after crash after crash ……… it wasn’t always that way
Out of every red, blue, porn, liberal, whacko, crazy, etc., etc. site I visit nobody even comes close to the crashes and popups I encounter here at ZeroHedge… Seriously guys WTF!
Thats why u use firefox duh! rest sk
Adblock EDGE. Simple download.
Additionally Firefox 42 blocks 3rd party malware in private mode.[still clears your search history]
Firefox Lightbeam, is pretty sweet. It's a tracking plugin, that's fun to watch.
Its not so bad on my office machine but on my blackberry passport, ZH is a fucking disaster.
I have to press 'close' on 3 or 4 flying boxes of shit before I can start reading the page. That takes an eternity on a GPRS connection AND COSTS ME MONEY!!!
I also make a mental note to never, ever, as long as I shall live, patronize ANY of the owners of those flying shit adverts.
Note to advertisers paying Tyler:
Just one flying box of shit on my BB browser and I promise to NEVER-EVER do any business with you EVER!
Just thought you should know.
Squid
I'm using my BlackBerry Passport typing this. No problems. Have you updated your OS? You should be at 10.3.2.2474.
Make sure do not track is on or use private browser feature. Downloading these fucking 3rd party applications will get you every time. I never use GPS location service. Under location services, turn off traffic data collection. Hit clear recent history. Lastly, if using link to remotely access. Turn the fucker off after the remote access session ends.
Just advice.
Sometimes its crap on my galaxy s5 but tonight its ok.
I am on an apple iphone.
Zero popups.
Zero pages opening.
Works fine for me.
I can do everything you can do and better.
(Faux hipster snickering into hipster device)
Stop by and use my machine. No crashes I can remember. Been using the site for a long time. I think the Belarus hackers got into your machine.
FFS, Iv'e seen an ad on ZH ever.
fucking google it. Doenload waterfox assuming you are not using some ancient cranky 32 bit junk and then click addons type adblock plus and then install and then update blocklist.
5 miutes to do nd you too will never see another ad
Listen to Damicol.
I've never seen an ad, or a pop-up, or a slider on ZH, not once.
I rarely see any ads with firefox and AdBlockPlus, though lately a few sites have gotten the hint, and occasionally I see "quiet" (non-blinking-blipping-zapping, wiggling, etc) ads and those I really don't mind and I make no effort to block them.
Marketers shoot themselves in the wallet by such crap. Get arrogant and irritating enough and peeps like you will yell, and hopefully by now you too have a quite website to look at.
How fucking old are you you cant take basic steps to filter out ads and junk?
Yeesh.
And being a cunt about it - I mean that's just precious.
Love it. Putin takes that silly faggot Obama to the woodshed
Peace Prize hoisted on his own petard
Remember Hedgers,Ashton Carter predicted/threatened that there would be Russian casualties
ISIS, the greatest warriors of all times. The most powerful armies of the World "fight" against them and nobody can defeat the terrible and famous ISIS.
It reminds me the motion picture "300".
They deserve a Hollywood movie, don't you agree? After all, some chapters have already been produced and distributed worldwide for free...
I am sure that the S-400s will be on 'active' radar - blasting out strong signals in every direction. Just waiting for Kerry and the MSM to start complaining that be exposed to such signals causes cancer in Strian children!
It's the old "Go ahead, make my day" gig.
Nothing like a little range time to sharpen up those shooting skills.
In the press conference between Putin and Hollande Puting said that all russian turism to Turkia will be stopped as well as trade and energy deals. According to Putin Russia has already issued a warning to it’s people not to travel to Tyrkia , as they might pose a threat to Russian people.
An average of 4.5 million russian people travels to Turkia as tourists every year. They leave behind about 10 billion dollars every year. Tyrkia is furthermore the second largest Russian gass customer (after germany). Then there is ‘Turksteam’ , an oil and gass tube line that is planned being built from central asia, through Tyrkia, that last one alone is estimated to cost about 20 billion dollars. Everything can be stopped.
Off course some of these sanctions would hurt Russia too, but not doing it would probably cause even more damage. The world is in desperate need for a capable and strong leader like Putin , otherwise the entire western civilization is going to disappear. Europe is already dying and Obama has already joined the new world order. We have not much time.
Replace the word "US" with the word "Israel" and it makes alot more sense. The US has no business overthrowing regimes right and left in the ME
Fuck Turkey
America's long tme bully in the region
2240 incursion into Greek airspace last year alone
Wtf?
When the U.S. Army retired it's lever-action Winchesters, they were sold to Turkey and performed very well in the Armenian genocide (which is unrecognized by the U.S.)
S-400 system is integrated with systems on Moskva battle cruiser ship group which right now is at the Turkish waters able to reach Ankara with its cruise missiles. The S-400 system is a strategic nuclear defense system reaching up to 180 miles of altitude !!! able to shut down U2 and ballistic missiles in contrast to already deployed S-300, which is purposed for Battle Theater. I wonder why people do not see escalation of the Syrian war into NATO-Russia war. Erdogan should be careful flying; it could be another human error pressing a button coming up.
More independent look of the Syrian war: https://syrianwarupdate.wordpress.com/
A mid-air shot would be awesome.
Those fucking Turks are foaming at the mouth for a.Franz Ferdinand event. Lop the head off and the tail dies.
"Bottom line: another direct engagement by a Turkish fighter will be its last, and in fact now that Russia is prepared we would not be at all surprised to see Russia cross into Turkish airspace on purpose just to provoke Erdogan to repeat the events from last week, only this time with the Russian ready and prepared to retaliate to any engagement. In fact, the odds of Russia doing just that in the next few days are especially high."
Well, perhaps if they just politely acknoweledge that errors happen and this was.one of.them. I'm sure cooler heads will prevail.
Fuck the Turks!
The Turks won't back down; their too obstinate and narcissistic. And it's their fate to be dismembered slowly. Kurdistan will get formed and a portion will get carved out of Turkey.
S-400 system is integrated with systems on Moskva battle cruiser ship group which right now is at the Turkish waters able to reach Ankara with its cruise missiles. The S-400 system is a strategic nuclear defense system reaching up to 180 miles of altitude !!! able to shut down U2 and ballistic missiles in contrast to already deployed S-300, which is purposed for Battle Theater. I wonder why people do not see escalation of the Syrian war into NATO-Russia war. Erdogan should be careful flying; it could be another human error pressing a button coming up.
More independent look on the Syrian war: https://syrianwarupdate.wordpress.com/
Those missiles look like they could follow a plane back into its hangar!
I think the F-35 never leaves their hangar because they are such a piece of shit,
This S-400 deployment will have a glorious and brief life, and it will be the last SAM system Russia will deploy in Theatre. The Russians simply do not have the quantity of systems to make a strategic difference.
The Russians are famous for making weapons that can be mass produced and that are rugged and durable. I believe the S-400 is one of them. Don't judge Russian weapons by the crap that the US and it's allies buy. MOst of the cost for US weapons goes into kickbacks, bribes, ..etc. The US has never planned to fight Russia, only proxy armies using Russian equipment. The Russians can walk over the US Army; the US army requires air superiority to operate and the Russians can deny them that with the S-400. That's not to say the US doesn't have brave soldiers; they do. But it won't be a contest. A few thousand scraggily supplied East Ukrainians using Russian defensive weapons that were second hand, from the Ukrainian armory, defeated the Ukrainian army last year.
Russian weapons are primarilly built for a defensive effort, defending the homeland, so they don't need as many as a global empire like the US does. But where the weapons are deployed, they will be more than enough to fend off any aggressors. The concept of 'strategic' to the US is global in nature, whilst that of Russia is directed at homeland plus the near abroad.
The US should be worried more about its own ability to withsatnd a war with Russia. I am certain that US Generals have no doubt that they do not have the land support capability to beat the Russians on their home turf, and they also know that if all-out war were to be triggereed, their carrier fleets would be sunk within the first hour of combat, leaving them struggling to manage any sort of offense.
Bottom line - Don't fuck with Russia.
Putin and obuma and EU leadership will be in Paris for the AGW confab..
there putin will stifle laughing in the face of western "leaders" who say
global climate is their biggest worry..this sick silly meeting will give Putin the
courage to move against leadership which is so obviously corrupt and blind
to real world issues. the upcoming meeting should be a real laugher.
Plus the US populace is in no mood to go to war for Israel. A draft would result in a revolution because the 911 crap has worn thin and most intelligent Americans know or suspect that 911 was an inside job. 911 is no Pearl Harbor. A quarter of Americans are foreign born or illegal, half are on welfare, the majority of men are out of shape or too heavy to carry much equipment, and the women are more interested in Black Friday. The Russians are prepared (even looking forward) to defending mother Russia.
AT least the US of the late 1930's was growing an income for the middle class which was out of debt due to the earlier bankruptcies of the early 1930's. Unions were strong and patriotisim was strong as well. Now Americans are hooked into Social Media, which, should a call for a draft commence, will become become a huge conduit of information regarding 911 Truth movement and education to the masses about the ZioNazism that did 911. Any war with Russia will last a few days before America surrenders. I'm not talking about nukes; but America is a toothless tiger. The country has been hijacked by the banksters and every one knows that because of the transfer of bad bank debt onto the taxpapery in 2008-9 (Obama's first act and the reason why the Banksters gave him double in contributions what they gave to McCaine).
A call to arms against Russia will result in the end of the ZioNazism, much like the Tsar's car to arms agaisnt the Germans in 1914 led to his eventual dowfall
What is your source and how many systems do you think they have in country or in zone?
This S-400 deployment will have a glorious and brief life, and it will be the last SAM system Russia will deploy in Theatre. The Russians simply do not have the quantity of systems to make a strategic difference.
Alternatively...
Say the Turks are dumb enough to send a posse of 7 fighter jets over the border, and the Russians shoot down every one of them.
What will western MSM say? Will they admit Russian brilliance? Or do they cite just the one plane being downed, to play the Russian aggressor card, and deny any further losses?
Message to Putin; if you shoot down one plane, then shoot them all. West will gag on its own vomit, before it admits to Russian competence.
I would have liked to have seen Montana. ????
I am sure there are several subs in the area too... maybe even chinese
No, Chinese will not be there...the cardinal rule of China is never interfering with other people's internal affair.....For this principle, china also vehemently rebukes anyone for interfering with china's internal affair....
China: Warships On Route To Syria To Join New Alliance With Russia With The Goal To Bring Down ISIS
""It is known that China has joined our military operation in Syria," Igor Morozov, a member of the Russian Federation Committee on International Affairs said. "The Chinese cruiser has already entered the Mediterranean, followed by its aircraft carrier.
http://www.hngn.com/articles/138357/20151009/china-warships-route-syria-...
What a fake?
http://sputniknews.com/world/20151014/1028515296/china-syria-involvement...
No fly zone---I vaguely recalled some presidential candidates or some congressmen or women or, maybe some noble senator demanded that US set up the no fly zone....
Well, funny, Russia never said such funny thing as no fly zone----by putting S400 there, everyone who wants to avoid being shut down will have to get clearance from Russia......or at least notified Russia by providing advance fly plan...or risk being shut down.....in Syria's air space....
So, there is indeed a no fly zone in syria as demanded by US VIPs......well, Ironic....has a funny way
Thumbs up to Russia
Carry on the good work
erDOGan is already exposed as the alsatian poodle in the lap of Vampire America
-------
actually erDOGan family is running an oil mafia buying cheap oilfrom ISIS thus financially supporting ISIS
erDOGan has installed his son-in-law as the energy minister
erDOGan family mafia is committing crimes against humanity & so they should be brought to ICC , international criminal court
erDOGans should be sent to jail for rest of life
What I would like to know is how the money trail for all that oil goes.