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Erdogan Says Will Resign If Oil Purchases From ISIS Proven After Putin Says Has "More Proof"
“I’ve shown photos taken from space and from aircraft which clearly demonstrate the scale of the illegal trade in oil and petroleum products,” Vladimir Putin told reporters earlier this month on the sidelines of the G-20 summit in Antalya. Putin was of course referencing Islamic State’s illicit and highly lucrative oil trade, the ins and outs of which we’ve documented extensively over the past two weeks:
- The Most Important Question About ISIS That Nobody Is Asking
- Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President
- How Turkey Exports ISIS Oil To The World: The Scientific Evidence
- ISIS Oil Trade Full Frontal: "Raqqa's Rockefellers", Bilal Erdogan, KRG Crude, And The Israel Connection
Turkey’s move to shoot down a Russian Su-24 warplane near the Syrian border afforded the Russian President all the motivation and PR cover he needed to expose Ankara’s alleged role in the trafficking of illegal crude from Iraq and Syria and in the aftermath of last Tuesday’s “incident,” Putin lambasted Erdogan. “Oil from Islamic State is being shipped to Turkey,” Putin said while in Jordan for a meeting with King Abdullah. In case that wasn’t clear enough, Putin added this: “Islamic State gets cash by selling oil to Turkey.”
To be sure, it’s impossible to track the path ISIS oil takes from extraction to market with any degree of precision. That said, it seems that Islamic State takes advantage of the same network of smugglers, traders, and shipping companies that the KRG uses to transport Kurdish crude from Kurdistan to the Turkish port of Ceyhan. From there, the oil makes its way to Israel and other markets (depending on which story you believe) and if anyone needs to be thrown off the trail along the way, there’s a ship-to-ship transfer trick that can be executed off the coast of Malta. The maneuver allegedly makes the cargoes more difficult to track.
Some believe Erdogan’s son Bilal - who owns a marine transport company called BMZ Group - is heavily involved in the trafficking of Kurdish and ISIS crude. Most of the ships BMZ owns are Malta-flagged.
In light of the above, some have speculated that Turkey shot down the Su-24 in retaliation for Russia’s bombing campaign that recently has destroyed over 1,000 ISIS oil trucks. Here’s what Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoub said on Friday:
“All of the oil was delivered to a company that belongs to the son of Recep [Tayyip] Erdogan. This is why Turkey became anxious when Russia began delivering airstrikes against the IS infrastructure and destroyed more than 500 trucks with oil already. This really got on Erdogan and his company’s nerves. They’re importing not only oil, but wheat and historic artefacts as well."
Al-Zoub isn’t alone in his suspicions. In an interview with RT, Iraqi MP and former national security adviser, Mowaffak al Rubaie - who personally led Saddam to the gallows - said ISIS is selling around $100 million of stolen crude each month in Turkey. Here are some excerpts:
“In the last eight months ISIS has managed to sell ... $800 million dollars worth of oil on the black market of Turkey. This is Iraqi oil and Syrian oil, carried by trucks from Iraq, from Syria through the borders to Turkey and sold ...[at] less than 50 percent of the international oil price."
"Now this either get consumed inside, the crude is refined on Turkish territory by the Turkish refineries, and sold in the Turkish market. Or it goes to Jihan and then in the pipelines from Jihan to the Mediterranean and sold to the international market.”
“Money and dollars generated by selling Iraqi and Syrian oil on the Turkish black market is like the oxygen supply to ISIS and it’s operation,” he added. “Once you cut the oxygen then ISIS will suffocate.”
"There isn't a shadow of a doubt that the Turkish government knows about the oil smuggling operations. The merchants, the businessmen [are buying oil] in the black market in Turkey under the noses – under the auspices if you like – of the Turkish intelligence agency and the Turkish security apparatus."
“There are security officers who are sympathizing with ISIS in Turkey. They are allowing them to go from Istanbul to the borders and infiltrate ... Syria and Iraq.”
“There is no terrorist organization which can stand alone, without a neighboring country helping it – in this case Turkey.”
That's pretty unequivocal. But it gets better.
On Monday, Putin was back at it, saying that Russia has obtained new information that further implicates Turkey in the Islamic State oil trade. “At the moment we have received additional information confirming that that oil from the deposits controlled by Islamic State militants enters Turkish territory on industrial scale," Putin said on the sidelines of the climate change summit in Paris. "We have traced some located on the territory of the Turkish Republic and living in regions guarded by special security services and police that have used the visa-free regime to return to our territory, where we continue to fight them."
"We have every reason to believe that the decision to down our plane was guided by a desire to ensure security of this oil’s delivery routes to ports where they are shipped in tankers," he added, taking it up another notch still.
As for Erdogan, well, he "can't accept" the accusations which he calls "not moral":
- ERDOGAN: TURKEY CAN'T ACCEPT RUSSIA CLAIMS THAT IT BUYS IS OIL
LATEST - Erdo?an: Russia’s claim that Turkey bought oil from Daesh is not ‘moral’, such claims have to be proved pic.twitter.com/PZka8MwzpL
— DAILY SABAH (@DailySabah) November 30, 2015
Hilariously, the man who just finished starting a civil war just so he could regain a few lost seats in Parliament and who would just as soon throw you in jail as look at you if he thinks you might be a threat to his government, now says he will resign if Putin (or anyone else) can present "proof": “We are not that dishonest as to buy oil from terrorists. If it is proven that we have, in fact, done so, I will leave office. If there is any evidence, let them present it, we’ll consider [it]."
Hold your breath on that.
And so, the Turkey connection has been exposed and in dramatic fashion. Unfortunately for Ankara, Erdogan can't arrest Vladimir Putin like he can award winning journalists and honest police officers who, like Moscow, want to see the flow of money and weapons to Sunni militants in Syria cut off.
The real question is how NATO will react now that Turkey is quickly becoming a liability. Furthermore, you can be sure that the US, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar (who are all heavily invested in the Sunni extremist cause in Syria), are getting nervous. No one wants to see this blown wide open as that would mean the Western public getting wise to the fact that it is indeed anti-ISIS coalition governments that are funding and arming not only ISIS, but also al-Nusra and every other rebel group fighting to wrest control of the country from Assad. Worse, if it gets out that the reason the US has refrained from bombing ISIS oil trucks until now is due to the fact that Ankara and Washington had an understanding when it comes to the flow of illicit crude to Cehyan, the American public may just insist on indicting "some folks."
Remember, when it comes to criminal conspiracies, the guy who gets caught first usually ends up getting cut loose. It will be interesing to see if Erdogan starts to get the cold shoulder from Ankara's "allies" going forward.
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Exactly...so imagine the scope of the complicity to hide this much oil production...
It's
"impossible" to track when journalists
and others who investigate it are then silenced
one way or another.
Turkish generals just jailed for stopping arms shipment trucks going into Syria.
Prkl told me he secretly loves Putin too.
Credibility is a funny thing...
would love to see what "data" is really out there. The truth is always stranger than fiction...
ISIS beheadings are bad, but beheadings in Saudi Arabia are somehow good...
In our time, political speech and writing are largely the defence of the indefensible… Thus political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness…the great enemy of clear language is insincerity. Where there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns as it were instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms.
George Orwell (Politics and the English Language, 1946)
Like Anti-Semetism. Clear would be Anti-Jew. ?
I'd take the sword over the knife any day. One quick, clean cut, vs some cunt sawing away at your neck with a dull blade....jesus.
Fuck Turkey.
https://www.rt.com/news/324045-putin-erdogan-su-downing/ Resign according to RT? If he values his life id sure be pondering that . Check Mate again Vlad
Might want to Check Out Katherine Fisk brilliant Piece on him in VT.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/11/18/putin-playing-the-game/
Going through bankruptcy and real social revolution/suffering will definitely change a society. Russia defaulted in the 90's, consider their public debt:industrial output compared to the U.S.
At least he knows what's good for him.
What about the sarin that killed over 1000 Syrians in Ghouta, Syria? That was a war crime that Erdogan caused:
2 Turkish Parliament Members: Turkey Provided Chemical Weapons for Syrian Terrorist Attackhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-23/2-turkish-parliament-members-tu...
Seymour Hersh Links Turkey to Benghazi, Syria and Sarin
The assessment of the Defense Intelligence Agency is that the sarin was supplied by Turkey to elements in Ghouta with the intent of “push[ing] Obama over the red line.” Intercepted transmissions from Turkish operators in the aftermath of the attack are jubilant, and the success of their covert mission must have seemed well in hand. Obama’s implicit call to war in the coming month was proof of that.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2014/05/06/seymour-hersh-links-turke...
USA, Turkey and Israel Act As Air Force for ISIS
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/08/usa-turkey-and-israel-act-as-air-...
Please..
If only that sarin gas had a black box attached to it like flight 17 did there would be zero speculation as to who.... oh wait
Putin should ask his KGB buddies to kidnap Erdogan at the climate summit for the lulz and bring him to justice in Moscow for all the world to see... if not Erdogan proper, his son.
Good thing Dubya made extraordinary rendition "legal" under what passes for international law these days... What's good for the goose is good for Turkey too
(but if Erdogan Jr. is directly involved he would be a more appropriate target, given that targeting Heads of State is an act of war...)
Who is this Putin guy and shouldn't we be ignoring him? That's what the teevee tells me to do.
Well.. there was that environmental concern that spared those trucks all along.. or was it the innocent drivers just making a living
Why wasn't any of this cited in that jagoff's moral outrage?
"....such claims have to be proved" may be the biggest blunder to have come out of Erdo?an's mouth yet.
I doublt Putin spews his mouth without proof, so this is likely yet another "checkmate" by Vlad and "deer in headlights" by the Turkisn neo-sultan moment in my view.
Next, proof coming up in spades, the only question now is if the western MSM dare report it.
Erdogan's family members need a few days to gather up all of Turkey's gold and tuck it away somewhere nice and safe before they all bolt.
And JPM's vault is ready and waiting.
That gaping maw probably has plenty of empty space available.
if not filthy islam selected turkish woman would be so hot in 2015
after 100 years of incest and forced marriage they became so ugly
some of them are still hot
come on turkish woman abadon stupid islam
most turkish man are ugly and impotent anyway
edit:
why so many downvotes? you dont know about sexual selection in muslim countries?
an ugly agressive stupid low iq man and a stupid fat woman having 6 to 10 children
the woman is not allowed to refuse arranged marriage in turkey
this circle was active for hundrets of years....
just use your fantasy how this children look like or look at erdogans sons face
Goodbye, Chief Islamo-Kike
Erdogan proves the line between Muslim and Jew is razor thin.
Arabs and Sephardic "Jews" are both Semites. European Ashkenazi "Jews" are not.
My bad.
All their noses are big cause the air is free
carry your wallet in your front pocket
No need to "my bad". What you wrote is pretty true.
I don't see a contradiction between your comment and "farflungstar".
A lot of Ashkenazi jews originated from "Turkics", who migrated to Khazaria from Turkey which has by far the greatest number of them.
True, they are not semites but Turks aren't either.
who has the smoking gun ?
If the source of ZH's claim (as of Putin) of an Erdogan cabal is true then we should find out pretty soon.
In the age of Internet, a bullshitter has his ass naked; if the Net is not bot controlled.
Cough up the truth, the Lord of the Web !
Resign, then jump you fucker!
No wonder ISIS is readying that port in Libya as their next capitol. They will try the same thing with Libyan oil.
And just what do the newly-rich dumb Turks do with some of their ill-gotten gains?
http://www.amlu.com/2015/11/07/unlucky-driver-crashes-his-laferrari-mome...
Easy come; easy go.
see that happens if you let donkeys drive a car
Here are some signs of a coming recession.
1. Factory orders continue to drop
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-02/us-factory-orders-flash-recession-warning-drop-yoy-10th-month-row
2. Default risk spikes
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-02/us-financials-default-risk-spikes-2-year-high
3. M&A set record
http://michaelekelley.com/2015/05/29/mergers-and-acquisitions-set-record/
4. Fed sees 2 bubbles
http://michaelekelley.com/2015/02/20/fed-warns-of-two-bubbles/
o Commercial Property higher than pre-2007 level.
http://nreionline.com/finance-investment/cre-prices-are-now-officially-above-pre-recession-peak
o Global Corporate Debt Market hits $5 trillion.
http://fn.dealogic.com/fn/DCMRank.htm
5. Iron ore prices tumble
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/iron-ore-prices-keep-crashing-adding-to-global-growth-fears-2015-11-30
6. Baltic dry shipping index tumbles
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/shipping-index-falls-to-all-time-low-stoking-fears-about-global-growth-2015-11-19
Here is how to prepare.
http://michaelekelley.com/2014/10/16/8-things-to-do-when-recession-happens/
Here is how to get your mind off this stuff.
http://michaelekelley.com/category/humor/
Good luck!
"Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing?
Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet ["your" heavenly Father]/GOD feeds them. Are you not of more value than they?- Matthew 6 Yes, each of you is of more value and Jesus demonstrated that love by allowing Himself to bear the penalties of our sin against Him so that we can freely receive the gift of His forgiveness and love, which all He desires is that we come to KNOW Him; that is salvation.And who will evaluate proofs? This is a publicity stunt. He could say that he would shoot himself with a shotgun, hang himself on a chandeller or cut his dick off.
It would be nice to at least see Obama come out and say that this bum is the problem and should go ahead and step down but somehow I can't see the NeoCon puppet doing that.
Just think of all of things Obama has been honest about in the past. Maybe you could list some of them for us?
#1 He admitted he was a Muslim.
#2 He said he would "fundamentally" chain, err, change America.
No, Turkey just distributes the oil by allowing the trucks and ship loading to occur. Not technically 'buying' it. Myabe through a shell company. This is just a joke. Turkey is obviously facillatating the sale.
i think you mean fellating the sale of the oil.
Where do you think all the Afghan heroin is processed and transported? Can anyone say TURKEY.
Jim Willie CAN. This from his October 2015 newsletter (before Turkey's elections and Su-24 shoot-down), emphasis added :
The Turkish leader Erdogan sees his final days of his awkward wayward regime. In summary, Erdogan now contemplates American heavy weapons in the hands of Syrian Kurds at their border. He foresees the end of Turkey's ability to provide air support for Sunni rebels in Syria. He watches a Russian campaign to lay waste to the Sunni opposition, including Turkey's assets in the field. Erdogan observes a collapse of his majority in Parliament. It seems Turkey is as vulnerable as it is expendable.
Prudence dictates that Turkey avoid provoking Russia by prompting it to play out this dangerous scenario. They play an extremely dangerous game by supporting the US-led ISIS entire front and strategy.
Therefore, the Turkish Military could realistically be pushed towards acting on shelved plans for a coup, in the event that the unreliable maniac Erdogan continues to press ahead with his provocations against Russia.
In fact, a post-coup Turkey might actually be very beneficial for Russian-Turkish relations, since the country would finally have a capable enough leadership in power that understands the essence of the bilateral partnership working toward maximum mutual advantage. The post-coup Turkey would include a nexus for the Gazprom pipelines, even a de-facto disengagement from NATO. Be sure to know that the Incirlik Air Base serves as the primary heroin depot for the USGovt's Afghan supply route. It would be forced to rely upon Germany to a greater extent.
The reader must never fail to remember that Turkey is already very close to a military coup here and now, but that the anti-Russian agenda being pushed by the Erdogan government might very well be the point that breaks their patience and pushes it to carry out its plans.
The regime change in Ankara would be entirely self-inflicted and with no external party to blame, only policy towards Russia and ISIS. The future could actually feature Turkey as a main cog in the multi-polar community of Eurasia, and the Eurasian Trade Zone. See Oriental Review and Asia Times.
EuroRaj offered some excellent comments, since this region is his home area. The following are his thoughts, my edits. The above analysis is spot on and accurately reflects the internal situation of Turkey. The Turkish Military by itself has had no role to play with the assistance being provided to ISIS out of Turkish territory. All such ISIS support was a misguided private adventure undertaken by Erdogan and his cabalist supporters. They have been permitting the USGovt to use their Ankara Embassy as ISIS control center, the war room. The military could possibly step in, if they cross a few red lines. They prefer the natural process to unfold.
There are elections slated for November 1st. If Erdogan wins, he will turn East in small steps from popular mandate. If he loses, the new leadership will turn east much faster. The Turks are not stupid. They realize the geographical location that they have been blessed with and how energy and trade routes flowing through Turkey can be vastly beneficial for them.
To undertake a military adventure is folly. On the other side, the Saudis have only one savior in waiting, namely China. The Pakistanis and Egyptians, the other two armies who can protect them, are leaning with China and Russia already. Once the Turks desert the Saudis, they will be left hanging in the wind and will be forced into China's arms. A black swan is coming to the land of the black gold, and it flies onto a hot Turkish pond.
All of this was known before. The Russians have just decided to expose the truth since Turkey was foolish enough to play hardball.
Not foolish, they have a plan. Shooting down our plane was the first step of the plan. Turks are not fools and could predict that our reaction would hard, and if they decided to sacrifice of our economic ties (tens billions of dollars), then they have more at stake in Syria.
Russia and Turkey to become buddies once again in the near future?
Turkey has too much to lose, they'll accept liabilitY and apologise soon enough
No, you don't know turks and who is Erdogan. More over, you don't understand that no one would do such a blatant provocation to make excuses.
If Erdogan is removed (via populace or otherwise) and he may, then Turkey will have great trouble since the US has a large military base; yet they will want to flip east...big trouble lies ahead for the Turks.
because resignation is always the response to treason.
What happens to dictators who play both sides of a proxy war? They likely become expendable. We will have to watch and see.
Anyone who doesn't know that the west funds, trains and supplies IS, ISIS, ISIL or Al-CIAda is a moron and the same types that believe taxation will help the planet that doesn't need any help. It is mankind that needs the help, for he is rotten at the core.
That's almost biblical( or was that (Al Bundy?).
In a word:
BBBBULLLLLLLSHITTTT!!!!!
Sultans don't resign, they get assassinated. Usually a knife in the back by a eunuch in the pay of the janissaries. Who are the eunuchs and janissaries of the 21st century? Believe me, there are a lot of em.
I'd like to know where all the petrol [refined crude] for those 1000's of Toyota Tundras, that ISIS is using to transport stolen crude into Turkey is coming from?
I know the 'Middle East' is full of Oases, but I've never heard of underground aquifers full of petrol.
It's all coming forth from your tax dollars. This morning they just decided to appropiate another $500 million.
Supplied by Turkey on the oil truck back-haul would be my guess.
SO IS IT TRUE THAT THE USA WITH ALL IT'S INTELLIGENCE DID NOT NOTICE THE OIL CONVOY
They did dude. But they did not want to damage their infrastructure + some environmental BS excuse.... Didn't you see that video?
We have never had any intel....Obama followers are now saying our intel kept him in the dark so he really didn't know what was going on over there.
"Reggie, what's this about Turkey and Oil from ISIS?"
"It's all on ZH, Munchkins."
"I don't read that site. They hate me."
"Well, the stuff they have there is usually proven true."
"Don't people realize we have more to worry about than terrists and bombs? The Climate is about to change again! Look at this story in the Daily Zipperhead: 'Climate Change to propel giant boulders into the air.'"
"Munchkins, that's in the future. The ISIS are killing people now."
"Ha. They are Muslims, I don't believe any of it. We have to get to the Climate Change Summit! I have a four-hour speech to make!!"
Had they noticed, it could have negatively affected 'climate change'
Therefore it was best not to look, see, think, or act. In other words, it was not in the administrations interests on many publicly obscure levels....
One thing that has become very apparent is the fact that when Putin hits targets, they are the right targets. The western war-mongering coalition hasn't done that in years. This pattern is quickly emerging into a rather embarrassing situation for the west. Namely...
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUtnEmsWwAEhsMS.jpg
"Show me the proof" - so I will know who to arrest and execute, which businesses to shutdown, and which records to destroy!
So follow this logic...
Erdogan = Hitler
Erdogan supporters = Nazis
Turkey = Nazi Germany
NATO = Nazi occupied countries
Supporter of Turkey = ??
Ok
Lets keep it going.
Assad = war criminal / terrorist
Putin = war criminal terror defender / ally.
I have hacked into your PC and found out who you are. You have been sexually raping 5-7 year old children for as long as you have been 12 years old.
Therefore, you are a criminal.
you dont need to hack his pc to know this
the best way is to ignore him
Fungible. The word is: "fungible".
NSA and FSB have the evidence.
The first one will pretend they know nothing.
FSB though will show the materials soon.
Erdogan will of course deny them as fabrication. Erdogan is a murderer and a back stabber.
Since the unique chemical composition of crude oil can be forensically examined and identified like fingerprints, it is entirely possible to follow where oil that originates in Syria and or Iraq flows. However, since it appears to be the case that such oil goes through some of the biggest oil companies, which are like the biggest banks, in the sense of "too big to fail and too big to jail," it is hard to imagine that any more relatively rational evidence or logical arguments would change anything important.
The FUNDAMENTAL FACTS are that systems based on backing up lies with violence do NOT care about "the truth," EXCEPT to the degree that knowing "the truth" may enable them to become better at backing up their lies with violence. The whole of civilization has been based on being able to back up lies with violence, becoming more integrated and sophisticated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence. Therefore, the whole of civilization has become based on the excessively successfulness of applying the principles and methods of organized crime, which has resulted in that civilization more and more manifesting runaway criminal insanities.
Every new wave in the ocean of current events is merely more news about the severe social storms that have been brewing on the horizon of history. The whole of civilization is more and more running into the intense paradoxes, or sets of consistent contradictions, which arise because governments are necessarily the biggest forms of organized crime, controlled by the best organized criminals, which means that governments are actually the biggest terrorists, controlled by the best organized terrorists.
All of the dominate sociopolitical systems are operated by the best available professional hypocrites, because all such institutions are operating through the same basic vicious feedback spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS. Everything is based upon being able to back up lies with violence, despite that doing so never stops those lies from still being false. Therefore, civilization is constantly driven to become more psychotic, and therefore, is headed towards series of psychotic breakdowns.
IF, IF, IF, they wanted to do so, then any of the well-equipped national and/or international police could readily follow the trail of the oil, in order to demonstrate what was happening. HOWEVER, they do NOT want to! After all, all of those organizations are actually controlled to be the biggest forms of organized crime, by the best organized criminals.
I would be surprised if anything but some whistle-blowers would come forward with any useful evidence regarding the largest crimes, which are providing the largest fortunes to those who are committing those crimes.
Indeed, the deeper problems are about to what degree does one "LoveTruth" ???
Does doing SO include going through deeper and deeper levels of more profound paradigm shifts, in order to understand how and why civilization necessarily operates according to the principles and methods of organized crime ???
Civilization as it currently exists is almost nothing but a core of organized crime (primarily bankster controlled governments), surrounded by layers of controlled opposition groups, ALL OF WHICH OPERATE AS THE BEST AVAILABLE PROFESSIONAL HYPOCRITES.
The ways that pretty well everyone thinks about political problems is in terms of the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals. (I.e., governments versus organized crime, or governments versus terrorists.) However, the only things which actually exist operate through unitary mechanisms, such that governments, and those who control those governments, are NECESSARILY the biggest forms of organized crime and terrorism, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals and terrorism.
Since that is actually the case, to more deeply "LoveTruth" should be based on no longer using the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals, but rather to start using unitary mechanisms.
At the present time, civilization is almost totally dominated by various professional hypocrites, as has been more and more the case for thousands of years. There are NO groups of human beings or countries, which are not based upon some systems of organized lies operating robberies, and the only things that exist are the dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies operating robberies.
Current events, more and more clearly demonstrated in various alternative sources of news, are showing that Turkey is situated at the most extreme edges of NATO, where the fabric of being able to back up lies with violence is visibly fraying the most. More and more blatantly obvious apparent anomalies are accumulating, to be perceived by those who bother to look, that governments are the biggest forms of organized crime and terrorism.
At some point, enough people who perceive that should go through profound paradigm shifts in the ways that they perceive political problems, whereby they stop using the dualities of false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals, and instead start using more unitary mechanisms to understand what is happening, and then propose and promote more realistic resolutions to those real problems, which are consistent with that deeper analysis based upon using those unitary mechanisms.
However, the tragic trajectory we continue to be on is that organizations like the NSA or FSB, as well as every other similar sort of national or international organization, is operated by the best available professional hypocrites, whose basic ways of thinking about political problems makes it impossible for them to do anything else than continuing to deliberately ignore and misunderstand those problems.
Indeed, in my view, even the few whistle-blowers in those organizations that somewhat reveal things to the public tend to ironically be those kinds of people who even more so believe in the same sets of impossible ideals that their bosses are also publicly pretending to believe in. However, impossible ideals always backfire badly, and actually make the opposite happen in the real world, because promoting such impossible ideals is based upon absurdly backward mechanisms.
There are NO fundamental dichotomies between people. There are only unitary mechanisms. Therefore, there is nothing but the dynamic equilibria between different systems of organized lies operating robberies, and therefore, the only things that can be changed are those dynamic equilibria and those systems of organized lies operating robberies.
However, since all of the biggest and best organized systems of organized lies operating robberies are operated by the best available professional hypocrites, it is politically impossible for any of them to negotiate anything in good faith. (Which is why, in the case of the news above, that more and more people do NOT believe what Erdogan is saying.)
The ultimate compressed summation of your posting: Allen Dulles.
Yes, ... I remember a previous article republished on Zero Hedge which summarized the career of Allen Dulles!
NSA and FSB have the evidence.
The first one will pretend they know nothing.
FSB though will show the materials soon.
Erdogan will of course deny them as fabrication. Erdogan is a murderer and a back stabber.
"No one wants to see this blown wide open as that would mean the Western public getting wise to the fact that it is indeed anti-ISIS coalition governments that are funding and arming not only ISIS, but also al-Nusra and every other rebel group fighting to wrest control of the country from Assad".
And this would happen how? "Journalists" actually doing investigative reporting and "news"-papers actually printing things that would make the US Government look bad?
Definitely will not be holding my breath on that one.
Give the KGB a little credit, please. This issue between Erdogan and Putin is not about investigative journalists, it is about state intelligence organizations.
Also, assuming that Erdogan is the target may be a matter of aiming too low. He might be a bonus, but not the prize buck. BHO, if allowed to speak without a teleprompter just may let the wrong thing come out of his mouth. He definitely has the arrogance to speak when he should wave and walk away.
All speculation on my part. We'll see.
why resign when you can throw your subordinates or children under the bus?
Erdogan will never resign voluntarily.
And ISIS oil ends up in Israel:
Israel buys most oil smuggled from ISIS territory - report
http://www.globes.co.il/en/article.aspx?did=1001084873
according to the comments under that link, this is a bogus report
However, it sells quite well at this web site
stoke the fire
So where is your butt buddy falconflight, he seems to have disappeared.
How can you tell if a Muslim is lying....they are talking!
Take us to church Putin......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Does Putin play poker? Can't wait til he flops the evidence at the UNSC
Me too!
Lets see it Putin!
This should be fun...
With S. Powers and the rest of the neocon/neoliberal vermin running the US they will try to run interference for Turkey, if they can get away with it. The MSM will try to cover for them. The EU will have its thumb up its ass as usual.
What a sad pufta that Erdogan is, this guy is dillusional and probably brain is cooked in crystal meth. Corrupt, brain-dead misereable sack of shit.
In the self centered world of sociopaths, no evidence is immune from manipulation. No claim that cannot be denied. No witness that cannot be belittled, ignored, or eliminated. No argument immune from the strawman. Lie, cheat, steal. Whatever survives the onslaught is then quietely destroyed in the midst of misdirection.
And then there's this from the article.
"To be sure, it’s impossible to track the path ISIS oil takes from extraction to market with any degree of precision."
So, there was a lot of "definitive fingerpointing" that then said it's impossible to fingerpoint with any degree of precision. Ok then...
Hmm... Interesting the way they set this article up no?
Satellites are a bitch.
Let me translate that for you:
We know all the players involved, but at this point we are going to expose only Turkey.
Holder and Corzine are living proof of this!
Poor Erdogan, idiot, will end up before the war crimes tribunal and the rest of the gang can run away...
No....he and his billions will be invited to the U.S. just like some of his predecessors and also religious nutcases were.
Just like the Shah of Iran.....
Milosevic died in custody during his trial, at the war crimes tribunal.
Redo tan will lie just like any of his fellow Muslims when you get right down to it
Nothing is impossible. It may be difficult to prove, but not impossible. Amerika and allies are seen by the world to be exceptional at supporting terrorists and lying. Is this how Obama is carrying out his campaign promise to make the world like and respect America again?
Of course Putin can prove it! A little nip here. A little tuck there. A few out of context comments leading to dead ends and Putin will jump out from behind a bush and say "Aha. See I have proof!" And the world will then go cough cough right ol boy. Thats some work you've done there... But will it sell in Moscow? Increaisngly no...
there are loads of evidence to draw from
Need any more proof that NATO is an utterly corrupt black hole?
I don't.
REposted :
Erdogan comes to Paris, is received like royalty. His PM signed a deal with EU for 3 billion Eur subsidy to control immigration flux to Europe.
He has obtained, thanks to Mutti, that the whOle question of Turkey joining EU should be reopened. In that he has US support.
So the NAto axis invites Erdogan into EU, conceding he is KINGPIN in reigning in the Syrian refugee influx, with an additional bonus of joining the EU club down the road if he delivers (Germany has a large turk community)!
Now that is what the Franco Ottoman alliance was all about 5 centuries ago!
EU is now using neo-Ottoman Turkey to be bulwark to re-stabilise the ME away from the rabid petromonarchies; along the Turkish-Iran historical axis.
The Sauds and others will now be marginalised and bled for their resources by being loaded with arms they can't use on their own. Some Western stranglehold worthy of Clemenza of Don Corleone.
In the inevitable kneejerk to avoid this garrot they will try and move to an energy alliance with Chindia...Saud can still bring the fragile debt laden USD down to its knees...So the debt conundrum has Pax Americana and Saud sitting in the same boat. Some irony there!
Thats called Renaissance diplomacy.
The West returns to Neo-feudal Oligarchy, as in Renaissance days and recognises that IN ORDER NOT TO REGRESS FURTHER TO THE DARK AGES (of Armageddon) IT NEEDS TO STABILISE THE ME CAULDRON AROUND THE TURKISH/IRAN DIVIDE OF OLD.
The past returns with its seven league boots on its feet while the industrial world looks at the dystopia the hyper-industrial age has now created on the planet.
Climate change is something else that makes geopolitics look like the GAME OF THE PYGMY.
Welcome to the true challenge of the new eco-dystopian age and paradigm change.
"Erdogan comes to Paris, is received like royalty. His PM signed a deal with EU for 3 billion Eur subsidy to control immigration flux to Europe."
Erdogan puts a gun to Europe's head and says pay up and bend over or I'll pull the trigger.
And the EU bends over. What does this tell us? That the EU elites are the same as in Turkey and couldn't care less about the 'people'.
Collateral damage :
The great coalition in Syria is dead. Hollande and Putin agree to separate by the looks of it as a result of the EU/Nato move to shake hands with Erdogan at Paris/Brussels.
This means that the Aircraft carrier De Gaulle and the Russian navy do NOT fight the same enemy. France is alone amongst the Europeans bombing ISIS only in Syria.
And Putin has his own agenda that includes bombing the Turkish elements and other Al-Qaeda "moderates" in Syria.
Obama/Nato have broken the France/Russia front (created a week ago in Moscow); as a result.
If Putin is as clever as he thinks he is, then he will use COP21 as media platform to release the evidence implicating Turks (in)directly purchasing IS-sourced oil.
"smoking gun" criteria must exceed that which was used to substantiate US claims of WMDs in Iraq.
If Hollande is as clever as he thinks he is, then he will push that whatever is agreed during COP21 is binding and enforceable under the rule of international law.
To settle the domestic (as well as foreign) political issues, he should take lessons from Merkel by co-opting one or two or few of the rival political party agendas. And, if Putin does deliver the goods afore-mentioned in Paris, then it will be quite straightforward for Hollande to justify France's exit from NATO. Cannot ally oneself with a partner who is collaborating with the enemy.
Very accurate.
falak,
how do the aristocrats tell the plebeians that they need to plant trillions of trees, eat food / drink water that is produced locally (or transported viau zero-carbon energy inputs), and deindustrailize away first world comforts and conveniences?
oh, and how to prepare for tens of millions more migrants seeking higher ground, food, and habitable climes over the next couple decades?
From there, the oil makes its way to Israel . . .
It's comical (NOT) how those bastards are ALWAYS involved in some illegal or immoral activity yet the USA still blindly supports them with vetos in the UN and 4 billion dollars a year in killing machines and hardware. When are the People of the "West" going to wise up and wash their hands of any further involvement with the Tribe?? If they don't do so soon it is going to be too late . . . .
It depends where you get your info
jew haters at ZH not a good source
Richard Pearle is a Jew.
Richard Pearle was the godfather of the WMD lie.
Richard Pearle aggressively promoted the lie in the media, knowing it was a lie.
Based on that propaganda, millions of people were killed, Iraq was destabalized, and the sale of its oil funds blood thirsty mercenaries.
I hate Richard Pearle.
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I could take the time to write out hundreds of similar little bullet point profiles, all jews who slithered into high places, that manuipulate governments by hook or crook to leverage the power and assets of these governments to benefit the jewish race and zionist agenda.
These people are evil. The good news is the hate sn't just for the jew-zio-demon freaks. Ohhh no! There is a whole lotta hate for all the gentile fronts, who crater to jew-zio scheming, where the nation the fronts purportedly 'represent' end up slavishly serving a foreign master.
Finally, you get credit for not using the meaningless term 'anti-semite'. But you lose points because you forgot to remind the reader that any facts presented that place jews in a conspicuoulsy unfavorable light is the definition of hate.
In other words, truth = hate; lie = love.
Truth = life; Lie = death
By your thinking, my country, my economy, and even my life should be sacrificed in the name of 'love' to perpetuate a lie.
Shalom
That sounds like the old 'Francis'.....
Excellent!
Did you forget the Jewish National Motto: Never pay retail
“We are not that dishonest as to buy oil from terrorists. If it is proven that we have, in fact, done so, I will leave office. If there is any evidence, let them present it, we’ll consider [it]."
I appreciate an optimist, but, I think that the punishment for state sponsored terrorism, aiding and abetting the enemy, war crimes, and crimes against humanity will be something much closer to softly swinging from the end of a rope.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Assad drops barrel bombs on civilians qualifying him as a terrorist and for war crimes. Putin keeps Assad in office.
Two, maybe three ropes?
"Assad drops barrel bombs on civilians". And how would you know that to be true? Who says? Based on what?
Lol...
Ok he doesn't.
I bomb zetahammer and his counter intuitive hommies with down arrows. Boom! There goes another one.
which civilian? looks as every party there has a clear and strict rule,
with us or headchop
What does ___________ get for launching Hellfires on civvies for 13-years and 105mm fire into a MSF hospital?
I'm guessing Nobel #2. Thanks for your post though. Does the WH sit room still smell like old cigars and scotch?
Indeed, so,
what next?
NATO will probably start a war, which will spin out-of-control, because NATO has developed to become dominated by the most powerful, psychotic psychopaths on the planet.
The political cultures of all NATO countries, especially the North American, are so totally dominated by their mass media that there are virtually no politicians of any public significance that could be successful outside of promoting the "War on Terror" based on believing the the Huge Lies regarding That, which have been promoted by the mass media, especially since the events on 9/11/2001.
We are living inside of a society which has become terminally sick and insane. The vicious spirals of POLITICAL FUNDING ENFORCING FRAUDS are politically impossible to stop automatically getting worse, faster ... Although, personally speaking, I like to try to become better informed by reading alternative news Web site like Zero Hedge, my most relatively objective assessment of the overall situation is as I outlined above:
THE MORE ONE LEARNS,
THE WORSE THAT GETS!
The truth of the sickness in the western psyche is frightening when realized. It is not a left/right problem.
It is a problem of powerful retrograde fixations with its insufferable 'indispensable and exceptional' lunacy that are leading the west to catastrophe like another people that thought they were 'uber alles'.
Too true, jtg,
as an avatar:
We are inside of an ourboros of incorporated robbery.
The more I learn the less I thought I knew...
Yes, the more one learns, the more questions one has!
Metaphorically speaking:
How far down the rabbit hole does Alice go?
& How far up the tornado does Dorothy go?
There are apparently infinite tunnels of deceits, where the lies are different at every level. Nevertheless, the one thing that I find stays consistent is that the more I learned the worse it looked, as far as the most probable futures for the currently established kind of civilization can be most reasonably be expected to play through, due to everything based upon being able to back up lies with violence still NEVER being able to thereby make those lies stop being false.
Don't leave Saudi or Qatar out of the equation. They need to have Erdogan or his equivalent in power in Turkey.
This story does not begin and end with Putin and Erdogan with a little NATO thrown in.
I think Turkey will be served about Xmastime.
The GayCrusader will throw his BFF under the axe.
Sorry President Erdogan, but resignation will not be sufficient.
-Vlad
Worse, if it gets out that the reason the US has refrained from bombing ISIS oil trucks until now is due to the fact that Ankara and Washington had an understanding when it comes to the flow of illicit crude to Cehyan, the American public may just insist on indicting "some folks."
Like the author said earlier in the article . . . "don't hold your breath". How'd it turn out when 90+% of the American public were against TARP in 2008???
Or ANYTHING for that matter.
The Bundy Ranch was one of the single greatest feats to be performed by members of the American Public.
Occupy being one of the greatest wastes-of-time to be engaged in by the American Public.
One had funds, and one had guns.
Which one garnered more positive results?
Really, he'll resign if it's proven. Does he intended to judge the inquiry himself?
suddenly Putin, after years of cozying up to Turkey, cares
how conveneient
ef them both especially Turkey
Define Proof!
If Obummer says it's proof....it's proof.
Ultimately, it's what Russia does, not what it says, that counts. I'd be interested in any scenarios whereby Turkey blocks the Bosphoros to Russian ships. Is this tantamount to a declaration of war? Will Russia impose further economic sanctions? Will they just sail on through and force turkey to make the first move by sinking a Russian ship?
What then? A Turkish-Russian war only serves US-Israeli-Saudi interests in the region. Russia would probably win a conventional war but would suffer. If NATO gets involved, the Russians could not win a conventional war, so it would seem inevitable that the war would escalate to nuclear. All this so Erdogan can make a few bucks off illegal oil??
do you suppose that obama may have suckered Turkey into doing this?
then leave them under the bus
Turkey is a key piece that needs to be restructured
if we are to have this NWO with who ever comes out on top
I do think we know that Erdogan won't survive this particular double murder. He may feel untouchable due to getting away with other heinous acts but Putin appears to be a dedicated enemy. Erdogan likely has a price on his head and a thousand bodyguards.
NATO would not be defeated but it cannot defeat Russia in a land war in eastern Europe. NATO generals have admitted as much.
C'mon. All Turkey needs to do is provide manpads to the Syrian / Turkish border where the Russian jet was downed. Those on the ground obviously want to hit the Russians and the Russians have no business being there because there is NO ISIS memebers there.
The mere hint of Syria turning into Afghanistan will have Moscow wanting serious questions answered by Putin.
This is the part Putin needs to understand. The Turks can turn syria into Russias Afghanistan within six months. Putin is in deep here and looking like hes about go in way over his head...
BTW. Want to know how the Turks fight? Look up their record in the Korean war. The only fighting force the North Koreans and Chinese were afraid of were the Turks...
Russia isn't talking about ISIL only.
Let's call these terrorists Ahrar ash Sham and Al Nusra, the latter got designated by the US in 2012 so any cooperation with Al Nusra is considered an act of terrorism under US law.
Worst of all are these FSA-'rebels' who still fail to see that they've been used like they were toys, to serve for the interests of the imperium, disguised by social-network activists and with supervision from Soros and CFR.
FSA people were around to film the killing of the Su-24 pilot. They were in on it. They are not 'innocent victims'.
http://www.doureios.com/magazine/TurksInKorea.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wawon
http://www.historynet.com/korean-war-1st-turkish-brigades-baptism-of-fir...
To use manpads, they'd have to get near the airfield so they could fire at the airplanes on takeoff or landing, IIRC.
Too late now, the Russkies have introduced ECMs for MANPADS. The ECMs are small projectiles which jam up the electronics of the rocket.
Huh?
Alex, what is "What an ISIS jihad rat says once realizing his MANPAD no longer functions."
Huh?
Get the fuck get well, retarded, while the trams run.
I think nato is a paper tiger. And what if China got involved?
Awesome, megaego dictator A vs. megaego dictator B. Makes me think of my heydays at so called Ivy League scientific institutions seeing bosses throw monkeypoop at eachother over trivialities. And these guys are allowed to run countries in geopolitical sensitive regions?