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Erdogan Says Will Resign If Oil Purchases From ISIS Proven After Putin Says Has "More Proof"
“I’ve shown photos taken from space and from aircraft which clearly demonstrate the scale of the illegal trade in oil and petroleum products,” Vladimir Putin told reporters earlier this month on the sidelines of the G-20 summit in Antalya. Putin was of course referencing Islamic State’s illicit and highly lucrative oil trade, the ins and outs of which we’ve documented extensively over the past two weeks:
- The Most Important Question About ISIS That Nobody Is Asking
- Meet The Man Who Funds ISIS: Bilal Erdogan, The Son Of Turkey's President
- How Turkey Exports ISIS Oil To The World: The Scientific Evidence
- ISIS Oil Trade Full Frontal: "Raqqa's Rockefellers", Bilal Erdogan, KRG Crude, And The Israel Connection
Turkey’s move to shoot down a Russian Su-24 warplane near the Syrian border afforded the Russian President all the motivation and PR cover he needed to expose Ankara’s alleged role in the trafficking of illegal crude from Iraq and Syria and in the aftermath of last Tuesday’s “incident,” Putin lambasted Erdogan. “Oil from Islamic State is being shipped to Turkey,” Putin said while in Jordan for a meeting with King Abdullah. In case that wasn’t clear enough, Putin added this: “Islamic State gets cash by selling oil to Turkey.”
To be sure, it’s impossible to track the path ISIS oil takes from extraction to market with any degree of precision. That said, it seems that Islamic State takes advantage of the same network of smugglers, traders, and shipping companies that the KRG uses to transport Kurdish crude from Kurdistan to the Turkish port of Ceyhan. From there, the oil makes its way to Israel and other markets (depending on which story you believe) and if anyone needs to be thrown off the trail along the way, there’s a ship-to-ship transfer trick that can be executed off the coast of Malta. The maneuver allegedly makes the cargoes more difficult to track.
Some believe Erdogan’s son Bilal - who owns a marine transport company called BMZ Group - is heavily involved in the trafficking of Kurdish and ISIS crude. Most of the ships BMZ owns are Malta-flagged.
In light of the above, some have speculated that Turkey shot down the Su-24 in retaliation for Russia’s bombing campaign that recently has destroyed over 1,000 ISIS oil trucks. Here’s what Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoub said on Friday:
“All of the oil was delivered to a company that belongs to the son of Recep [Tayyip] Erdogan. This is why Turkey became anxious when Russia began delivering airstrikes against the IS infrastructure and destroyed more than 500 trucks with oil already. This really got on Erdogan and his company’s nerves. They’re importing not only oil, but wheat and historic artefacts as well."
Al-Zoub isn’t alone in his suspicions. In an interview with RT, Iraqi MP and former national security adviser, Mowaffak al Rubaie - who personally led Saddam to the gallows - said ISIS is selling around $100 million of stolen crude each month in Turkey. Here are some excerpts:
“In the last eight months ISIS has managed to sell ... $800 million dollars worth of oil on the black market of Turkey. This is Iraqi oil and Syrian oil, carried by trucks from Iraq, from Syria through the borders to Turkey and sold ...[at] less than 50 percent of the international oil price."
"Now this either get consumed inside, the crude is refined on Turkish territory by the Turkish refineries, and sold in the Turkish market. Or it goes to Jihan and then in the pipelines from Jihan to the Mediterranean and sold to the international market.”
“Money and dollars generated by selling Iraqi and Syrian oil on the Turkish black market is like the oxygen supply to ISIS and it’s operation,” he added. “Once you cut the oxygen then ISIS will suffocate.”
"There isn't a shadow of a doubt that the Turkish government knows about the oil smuggling operations. The merchants, the businessmen [are buying oil] in the black market in Turkey under the noses – under the auspices if you like – of the Turkish intelligence agency and the Turkish security apparatus."
“There are security officers who are sympathizing with ISIS in Turkey. They are allowing them to go from Istanbul to the borders and infiltrate ... Syria and Iraq.”
“There is no terrorist organization which can stand alone, without a neighboring country helping it – in this case Turkey.”
That's pretty unequivocal. But it gets better.
On Monday, Putin was back at it, saying that Russia has obtained new information that further implicates Turkey in the Islamic State oil trade. “At the moment we have received additional information confirming that that oil from the deposits controlled by Islamic State militants enters Turkish territory on industrial scale," Putin said on the sidelines of the climate change summit in Paris. "We have traced some located on the territory of the Turkish Republic and living in regions guarded by special security services and police that have used the visa-free regime to return to our territory, where we continue to fight them."
"We have every reason to believe that the decision to down our plane was guided by a desire to ensure security of this oil’s delivery routes to ports where they are shipped in tankers," he added, taking it up another notch still.
As for Erdogan, well, he "can't accept" the accusations which he calls "not moral":
- ERDOGAN: TURKEY CAN'T ACCEPT RUSSIA CLAIMS THAT IT BUYS IS OIL
LATEST - Erdo?an: Russia’s claim that Turkey bought oil from Daesh is not ‘moral’, such claims have to be proved pic.twitter.com/PZka8MwzpL
— DAILY SABAH (@DailySabah) November 30, 2015
Hilariously, the man who just finished starting a civil war just so he could regain a few lost seats in Parliament and who would just as soon throw you in jail as look at you if he thinks you might be a threat to his government, now says he will resign if Putin (or anyone else) can present "proof": “We are not that dishonest as to buy oil from terrorists. If it is proven that we have, in fact, done so, I will leave office. If there is any evidence, let them present it, we’ll consider [it]."
Hold your breath on that.
And so, the Turkey connection has been exposed and in dramatic fashion. Unfortunately for Ankara, Erdogan can't arrest Vladimir Putin like he can award winning journalists and honest police officers who, like Moscow, want to see the flow of money and weapons to Sunni militants in Syria cut off.
The real question is how NATO will react now that Turkey is quickly becoming a liability. Furthermore, you can be sure that the US, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar (who are all heavily invested in the Sunni extremist cause in Syria), are getting nervous. No one wants to see this blown wide open as that would mean the Western public getting wise to the fact that it is indeed anti-ISIS coalition governments that are funding and arming not only ISIS, but also al-Nusra and every other rebel group fighting to wrest control of the country from Assad. Worse, if it gets out that the reason the US has refrained from bombing ISIS oil trucks until now is due to the fact that Ankara and Washington had an understanding when it comes to the flow of illicit crude to Cehyan, the American public may just insist on indicting "some folks."
Remember, when it comes to criminal conspiracies, the guy who gets caught first usually ends up getting cut loose. It will be interesing to see if Erdogan starts to get the cold shoulder from Ankara's "allies" going forward.
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So Erdogan and Obama now turned against each other?
Gives new meaning to turkey deep-fried in a bucket of oil, heh, heh....
I'll bet that's making Putin's mouth water.....
that translates to:
"I passed the buck to Obama and NATO, you have to implicate them then me"
.....that would be the only reason for Erdogan to make such a statement.
"We have receipts from the FSA"
I hope he is wrong.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-R7mXP6wEo
If oil is the overriding reason for conflict in the ME then this is the one and only chance to prove it.
It is rather gas than oil. The US and Saudi Arabia / Qatar seem to favour a gas pipeline from Qatar to Turkey through the territory of Syria. The gas would substitute Russian gas. No surprise the Russians don't like the plan and Assad plays on the Russian side. That is apparently one reason why the US and it's allies are desperate to remove Assad.
Not oil, its money.
Which currency the oil is sold with.
Petrodollar is the reason - exporting inflation
Soon the canaries will sing. Sing you dirty bastsrds. Hopefully some folks will hang.
It is generally accepted that ISIS makes money by selling oil extracted in Iraq and Syria. Miraculously until recently nobody asked the obvious question: who is the buyer? The potential counterparties can be identified on the map: Iran and Saudi Arabia already have plenty. Syria and Iraq will hardly purchase their own stuff. Remains Jordania which lacks the infrastructure to store, process and sell oil and finally ......Turkey. No other option remains.
It's a great mystery why the US spy satellites, which are rumored to less than 12 inches, can't track the movement of a non-stop caravan of oil tankers. Of course they can and the US has known from the start where the trucks load what routes they take and where they unload.
Haha, Bastiat, are you saying the satellites are 12" in diameter, or can see an object 12" in diameter from space?
Or is it Both?
LC
LOL. You can get 12" (30cm) on commercially available satellite data.
https://www.digitalglobe.com/resources/imagery-product-samples
Think orders of magnitude better than that. Think Hubble pointed at earth. Hubble cost 2.5 billion, how many could the US military afford? Hell, they could run them in pairs and get full 3D imaging from them. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that by today they could "be there" by sticking on a pair of 3D goggles.
The point may be that Turkey didn't buy the oil (directly), but is serving (ie smuggling) it to the western big guys with a kiss.
Ok so What time is Erdogan submitting his resignation today?
Hopefully Mr. Putin will introduce Mr. Erdogan to Mr. Paul Loneum
Would requiring Mr. Cameron that to do. Polonium poisoning is trademark British intelligence in partnership with Russian/Israeli mafia.
Funny, ISIS and the Turks can sell oil at $15-25 a barrel and make money at it. But it seems no one else can.
ISIS cost basis is zero. They steal it.
Is not true. Extraction incurs costs. Labor costs, energy costs, maintenance costs, transportation costs. Inevitable.
Still with lower cost basis than major producers because ISIS monthly bond payments has none. (At least as we know so far.)
Is this not what the whole idea of the Hague was setup to handle?
Why don't we hear any of this on the telescreens?
+1, heh heh
Erdogan flees to Israel. Claims Israeli citizenship based upon his Donmeh heritage.
Only if he is very, very lucky. Turks don't look kindly on being disgraced. And besides, he knows too much. He must be shitting himself right about now.
So, when is the resignation ceremony, again?
Will it be at the new super-palace?
Don't they have Internet in Turkey ? or isn't tHE White House paying you enough money to look the other way
a side note, in the moment isis looses a little oil revenues murica starts to pump in 500 millions
Don't worry, the money can always be diverted into some pockets.
Yes, very interesting.
The real question is how NATO will react now that Turkey is quickly becoming a liability.
Well, he will get a seat 'under the bus'. That is how neo-cons always deal with their 'liabilites'.
Erdogan should not resign.
He should hang.
...hang him from a Gezi Park tree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bT4lzMhnXE
You just need to create a meme of an "Erdogan problem". It'll float through the underground media, people will pick it up, pass it on and at the top when they think of the name "Erdogan", the associated thought will be "problem". And problems have to be fixed.
Erdogan is a puppet. As many other puppets, he's gonna be dumped, I think, sooner than later.
The world is so totally fucked-up that I can barely register a faint concern that stolen oil is being sold; furthermore, it probably will go on unabated...meh, meh, meh.....
CNN is breaking with level red terror alert. Next 48 hours critical!
On the other hand, CNN also named Libya today as a rapidly developing ISIS/ISIL stronghold and base camp. As IF Libya was not liberated by NATO and then handed over to ISIS/ISIL.
The dual game CNN plays is impressive. Support the NATO destruction of Libya, now wail about ISIS moving to take it over.
This stuff is straight out of Orwell's "1984", with "double think", "new speak", etc.
MSM can get away with murder, because the majority public, educated or not, are showing themelves all over the western world, to be infinitely gullible.
Erdogan "As to Turkey buying oil illegally, it depends on what the definition of IS is"
OK, lets see the proof. I totally believe Pootin but ,"trust but verify." Maybe a picture of trucks in a row.
https://soundcloud.com/stefan-molyneux/fdr-3137-the-failure-of-capitalis...
Stefan Molyneux
FDR 3137 The Failure of Capitalism? | Paul Craig Roberts Debates Stefan Molyneux
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p.c.r. attempts to awaken s.m..
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here, some wacky, dyed in the wool stupidity.
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Putin Is Rewriting History. There Would Be No ISIS Without Assad.
A lesson on relations between the Islamic State and the Syrian president.
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Charlotte Alfred
World Reporter, The Huffington Post
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comment:
likewise, there would be no israelis without
nazi germany and adolf hitler, compare and contrast
across the decades of time.
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RAGING BULL-SHIT
http://ragingbullshit.com/2015/11/24/carl-sagan-pale-blue-dot-2/
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now, they are saying assad is buying the
isis oil stolen from syrian wells. you cannot reason
with some people, they will merely make up their own
"facts" and then continue to steal all your shit as
lender and creator of last resort, at interest, in a
certain , private, fractional reserve manner, wink
wink, nod nod, central banksters of old fashion and "tradition":
it must be in the dictionary under "shameless",(quisling)
the history they will produce will tell the story of
triumph over evil, every time, and "god" had a hand in it.
normal people have no natural immunity from this
corrupted intellectual perversity, do they/we?
no, we don't, we are reared in opposition to this
kind of usury? no? we are blind man.......
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OUR FULL INTERVIEW WITH SYRIAN PRESIDENT BASHAR AL-ASSAD
http://www.parismatch.com/Actu/International/Our-Interview-with-Syrian-P...
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Paris Match: People describe you as being very close to your children. How do you explain to them what is happening to your country when you return home in the evening?
Bashar el Assad : Of course, this discussion goes on in every Syrian house now; and the most difficult thing in this discussion is when you deal with children whose social consciousness has developed during this crisis. There are two basic questions asked, not only in our family but in many families. The first question: how can people who believe or say they are defending God and Islam kill and murder? This is a case which is not easy to explain, and children ask whether these people know that they are wrong. And the answer here is that there are those who know but make use of religion for private purposes, and there are ignorant people who do not know that religion is good. They think, instead, that religion means killing.
The second question: why does the West launch an aggression against us, and why does it support terrorists and destruction? Of course, they do not say the West in general, they specify certain countries, including the United States, France, and Britain. Why do they do that? Have we done anything to hurt them? We also explain to them that people are something, and states are something else.
And Israel is particularly conspicuous because it wasn't mentioned.
yes, and the something else "people"
are referred to as refugees or lesser
legal or rhetorical status.
a shame and a sin , ongoing.
WW3 is now unavoidable......
http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2015/11/us-gives-their-prox...
Paris Match: Many people say that the solution lies in your departure. Do you believe that your departure is the solution?
Bashar el Assad : The president of any state in the world takes office through constitutional measures and leaves office through constitutional measures as well. No President can be installed or deposed through chaos. The tangible evidence for this is the outcome of the French policy when they attacked Gaddafi. What was the result? Chaos ensued after Gaddafi’s departure. So, was his departure the solution? Have things improved, and has Libya become a democracy? The state is like a ship; and when there is a storm, the captain doesn’t run away and leave his ship to sink. If passengers on that ship decided to leave, the captain should be the last one to leave, not the first.
Paris Match: This means that the captain is prepared to die. You talked about Gaddafi. Do you fear facing the same fate and to meet your death like Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi?
Bashar el Assad : A captain doesn’t think of life and death, he thinks of saving his ship. If the ship sinks, everybody will die, so we would rather save the country. But I want to stress an important point here. Remaining president had never been my objective, before, during, or after the crisis. But we as Syrians will never accept that Syria become a western puppet state. This is one of our most important objectives and principles.
Paris Match: Let’s talk about ISIS. Some people say that the Syrian regime encouraged the rise of Islamic extremists in order to divide the opposition. How do you respond to that?
Bashar el Assad : In Syria we have a state, not a regime. Let’s agree on the terms first. Second, assuming that what you are saying is true, that we supported ISIS, this means that we have asked this organization to attack us, attack military airports, kill hundreds of soldiers, and occupy cities and villages. Where is the logic in that? What do we gain from it? Dividing and weakening the opposition, as you are saying? We do not need to undermine those elements of the opposition. The West itself is saying that it was a fake opposition. This is what Obama himself said. So, this supposition is wrong, but what is the truth? The truth is that ISIS was created in Iraq in 2006. It was the United States which occupied Iraq, not Syria. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was in American prisons, not in Syrian prisons. So, who created ISIS, Syria or the United States?
Paris Match: The Syrians we meet in Damascus talk about sleeping Jihadi cells in the West more than they talk about the war against ISIS. Isn’t that strange?
Bashar el Assad : Terrorism is an ideology, not an organization or a structure; and ideology doesn’t acknowledge any borders. 20 years ago, terrorism used to be exported from our region, particularly from Gulf countries, like Saudi Arabia. Now, it is coming to our region from Europe, especially from France. The largest percentage of the European terrorists coming to Syria are French; and you had a number of incidents in France. There was also an attack in Belgium against a Jewish museum. So, terrorism in Europe is no longer asleep, it is being awakened.
Dear Blindman/idiot - The terrorism in question IS organized. It was established around 650 A.D.
A Summary of Zionist Terrorism in the Near East — 1944-1948
http://iamthewitness.com/doc/Bunche.Report.on.Zionist.Terrorism.in.the.N...
US-Israel Wage War on Iran in Syria
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2015/04/us-israel-wage-war-on-iran-in-...
Myth #4 – Israel has a “right to exist”.
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-i...
"I am shocked to discover gambling is going on here"..... and if proven I will resign and my son will take my place
Erdo-gone is invited to leave, much like Trotsky. There is no time limit on his crimes, 'anywhere on the planet'. He will cling to the State for protection, and NATO, for his protection. None of that will help him. Hand him over.
What is a reasonable person to do when the women and children are killed or made widows, orphans? It is difficult for a man to focus on business, statecraft.
Consequences will come to the accomplices of ISIS which is the paid mercenary force of international financiers who use ISIS, and hire politicians like a crime boss employs bouncers and PR to control the crowds.
However, it is what it is: the State of affairs worldwide. But there are rules. There are contracts. There are agreements. When that decorum is broken and associates kill without cause or reason and beyond international law, then there are other ways to address such egregious crimes.
Russia and Persia give the international crime bosses an opportunity to negotiate or receive an offer they cannot refuse.
For the North, this as encouragement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76RrdwElnTU
Handel's Messiah, praise the Prince of Peace, Counsellor who threw the moneychangers out of the temple; defied the Pharisee.
For Erdo-gone and those who assist him, this, based on Norse mythology: The Ride of the Valkyries. No surrender. Your wish for Apocalypse is denied.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V92OBNsQgxU
With a further explanation and rendition here:
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=28202
You misunderstood the history and valor of the North. Yes, the good ones are Christian or other peacemakers; some who bear arms in defense of the Constitution.
But no, we do not fear death. We do not fear defying evil. Courage is feeling the fear, and being brave anyway. No surrender to evil.
Messrs Rothschild Rockefeller & Co.,
You have a chance to parlay...or on your own head be it; up close and personal.
Consider:
https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/remember-sledgehammer-is-som...
To fix or to fuck the world we're living now-WWIII is the only way to achieve one of these two.
You are a lowly slave who thinks war is the answer to your problems. You have never looked a man in the face before he dies. You have never built a country upon sound money,, sound beliefs. You do not know war. You only know the death of those who give you the right to write.
Peace is your gift, and you have no gratitude for that.
It sounds like poetry...but we will have a war like it or not and then we will rebuild from the rubble.
'we'? Who is this 'we' you speak of? You will die for your perfidy.
Such negative vibes dude! You must be a progressive.
ya see? then there is this ...
DAILY SABAH ?@DailySabah 3h3 hours ago
Erdo?an says Russian-Syrian citizen buying oil from Daesh, dares Putin to resign if he can't prove his ‘slanders’
http://sabahdai.ly/Q0WIAx
Brother Nathanael's new clip on Why Turkey Shot Down Russian Jet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B9KwzrqbSc
Father Guido Sarducci Goes To College
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48UOd9vpypw
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oh man.
""The dangers of falling into Anti-Semitism are very real. Historically, Anti-Semitism has been a major problem, and it continues to be in some parts of the world today. One of the primary ways in which Anti-Semites unfairly targeted Jews was to vilify Halakha, digging up intolerant views in the rabbinical tradition to smear Judaism with.
But herein lies an irony: many Zionist Jews are now joining Anti-Muslim Christians in vilifying the Islamic tradition in a very similar way. Once Halakha was the target of bigots; today, it is Sharia. Rabbi Eliyahu Stern has written an excellent article about this topic, entitled Don’t Fear Islamic Law in America.
I will be applying the same standards our opponents apply to the Islamic tradition to the Jewish one, to show that Judaism is equally vulnerable to such criticisms. It is hoped that this exercise will encourage people of Judeo-Christian background to be more hesitant in vilifying and targeting Islam. This is purely an exercise in thought, a what if scenario (what if we applied the same standards to your religion as you do onto others?) designed to be the antidote to religious and cultural arrogance.
By clarifying that this constitutes an “exercise in thought” one should know that I am not saying Judaism is XYZ because of ABC, but rather simply that if you insist on arguing that Islam is XYZ due to ABC then–based on your own logic–Judaism and Christianity are also XYZ because they too have ABC. This is a what if? and an if-then argument.'
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http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/10/why-religious-zionism-not-judaism-is-th...
Odin, and Lord Almighty,
Send St Michael.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bosouX_d8Y
Ave Maria, and Valhalla. Thanks to our Persian friends to protect their own people too.
Ho hum, the message from Mosow this week is "print these dozen articles trashing Turkey".
The reply from our "independent" media outlet:
"Sir yes, sir! How many times shoudl we bump this particular accuastion to the top of the site."
Ah well, but at least the checks clear. For now.
To hell you go for your Yinon Plan, Wolfowitz Doctrine, Project for a New American Century, your Nazionist plots.
Begging for everything and betraying everyone.
It is over. Armageddon postponed, although you want that. Filth.
And this is how you war mongers treat a nice jewish boy from America when he travels with an interfaith group to Israel and peacefully protests your occupation of other people's property:
https://youtu.be/9QiV9xn0RbI
https://youtu.be/mfXOKp40b70
Your sort beat him up; abused him; tried to seize his U.S. passport; warned him not to return; denied his democratic right to peaceful protest.
Israhell is a fascist, racist, failed state, currently occupying my land, my government in the USA since its rootless cosmopolitan financiers killed the last true President of the USA because he denied nuclear weapons to Israel and issued silver backed money.
God forgives all. I remember our John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and your coup d'etat, Nazionist, AshkeNAZI filth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zi8vJ_lMxQI
A Requiem Mass for your sort. Get your affairs in order.
Is there a way to generate a list of this asswipe's comments, and dsty and teh finn's to see if they (he? Lol) devote more than 50% of comments to accusing people or zh of working for the Russians?
Some months ago this sort of accusation 'suddenly' became a heavy theme in nyt comments and articles in 'zionist' newspapers and magazines.
It is very like that somewhere a directive was issued, whether in Vichy Washington or Tel Aviv, instruction their dead end job useful idiot minions to try to make it seem as if no Americans could possibly believe something othr than the neocon, ie Zionist, ie basically judeo narrative.
The overlap of the hasbararats and russophobes is, all else aside, quite significant here.
Curious, no?
I know this will sound pretty shifty, but why couldn't somebody just lightly irradiate a couple of tanker trucks of illegal oil and track it?
Now that is one smart chimp!
TURKEY-ZILLA
ZATO
plans a
Ferdinand
and
Erdogan
fits the bill
deathcon 111
My Millenial son will NEVER be compelled to go to war for Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel, and many, many others. It's not going to happen, man. Over my effin dead body, as God is my witness. All Hell will break loose before that happens....got it Obama? Erdogan? Netanyahu? Damnit all...I see more in common with Putin than any of those assholes.
Agreed. If it is not good enough for my son, then it is not good enough for anyone's son.
Keep the faith. Our children of every type deserve to live, by their parent's will.
But you don't have a son, your a 50 year old virgin living in your mothers basement........ Put your pants on!
The criminals in the United States government who are supporting and collaborating with terrorists such as Al-Qaeda and/or ISIS must be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. But, unfortunately, I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for the pussies in the FBI to perform their duties. That's, unfortunately, asking far too much of anyone in the criminal Obama administration.
Prosecuted with extreme prejudice if they carry on with this treachery. Let each individual bear the consequences of his/her actions.
Wouldn't that be the DOJ that has to investigate and prosecute? The FBI is for domestic crime, not international unless Gubment peoples is involved. Oh, dey is!
Putin is a man that I can respect. I wouldn't give the President of the United States the time of day.
The IMF put China in today at a rate higher than Britain or Japan. Can you see what's going on here? It is about the international bankster crime gang which sees its future in the slave state China; one billion people while the 'new world order' which is the old world neo feudalism wants to decimate global population as per its Agenda 21, as per the cowardly .1% who manipulate emotions to divide and rule while they run off with the money, eg the likes of Bill Gates, and FANG, the TTIP shipping any job to any poor people in order to drive down wages and profits for any nation which wants peace and prosperity for their own people, not riches, not domination, not Nazionism of the sort enriching George Schwarz (Soros), Rahm Emmanuel (descendant of bus bombers), and the Bush tribe whose grandfather was prosecuted for aiding Nazis.
We the people are being used, abused and bamboozled. I say NO. Keep the Constitution. Keep the guns. Defy the moneychangers and their political pets.
Every evil act which is perpetrated on this planet will have the filthy finger prints of intellegence agents all over it.
The intellegence industry is actually private, although this may not seem so to thoes who work for it but all in all their actions benefit the Elite.
The Diplomatic comuntity is the same. Sure diplomats do good work from time to time but they may not know the full story. Diplomatic pouches are the way the Elite coordinate their actions.
Ask yourself one question. Why would any country allow and Embassy on their soil knowing full well that such place will harbour spies. I beleive is allowed because it bennefits the Elite and their control over factions within a country that may not be playing ball.
Max
I may be deluded but my intuition has proved correct over the years, even against the opinions of my own family.
You and I are our own defense force. Keep the guns in private hands, not State thugs. Valhalla.
I pay for bureauRats to manage the paperwork and apply the law. They have no right to kill me and mine.
Need WilliamBanzai to show us what is presented and accepted as a "proof" by US government... In MS Paint if possible.
'America Reels as Putin “Redline’s” Israel
There was no mention of Israel during President his momentous UN speech. However, at the press conference afterward, things took on an unusual turn. There, President Putin announced an intelligence sharing relationship with Israel’ military high command based on what he noted was Israel’s national interests in the security of Syria.
Then he said something startling. We still have to discuss the problem of Israel’s air attacks (on Syria).
With President Assad’s official request, in accordance with international law, for military aid from Russia, Putin’s statement takes on a whole new meaning, particularly since Russia will be deploying advanced air defenses over Syria along with air superiority fighter aircraft.
The free reign of Israel, who has continually attacked the Syrian army in support of ISIS forces now known to be reinforced with as many as 800 specially trained Israeli Army commandos, may well be coming to an end. ...'
https://uprootedpalestinians.wordpress.com/2015/10/14/russia-red-lines-i...
Ace copy, Raymond. Well done.
Not to forget the Syrian ground they currently occupy.
Because Syria lost it when Israel countered the attack? Musi!
'Myth #5 – The Arab nations threatened Israel with annihilation in 1967 and 1973
The fact of the matter is that it was Israel that fired the first shot of the “Six Day War”. Early on the morning of June 5, Israel launched fighters in a surprise attack on Egypt (then the United Arab Republic), and successfully decimated the Egyptian air force while most of its planes were still on the ground.
It is virtually obligatory for this attack to be described by commentators today as “preemptive”. But to have been “preemptive”, by definition, there must have been an imminent threat of Egyptian aggression against Israel. Yet there was none.
It is commonly claimed that President Nasser’s bellicose rhetoric, blockade of the Straits of Tiran, movement of troops into the Sinai Peninsula, and expulsion of U.N. peacekeeping forces from its side of the border collectively constituted such an imminent threat.
Yet, both U.S. and Israeli intelligence assessed at the time that the likelihood Nasser would actually attack was low. The CIA assessed that Israel had overwhelming superiority in force of arms, and would, in the event of a war, defeat the Arab forces within two weeks; within a week if Israel attacked first, which is what actually occurred.
It must be kept in mind that Egypt had been the victim of aggression by the British, French, and Israelis in the 1956 “Suez Crisis”, following Egypt’s nationalization of the Suez Canal. In that war, the three aggressor nations conspired to wage war upon Egypt, which resulted in an Israeli occupation of the Sinai Peninsula. Under U.S. pressure, Israel withdrew from the Sinai in 1957, but Egypt had not forgotten the Israeli aggression.
Moreover, Egypt had formed a loose alliance with Syria and Jordan, with each pledging to come to the aid of the others in the event of a war with Israel. Jordan had criticized Nasser for not living up to that pledge after the Israeli attack on West Bank village of Samu the year before, and his rhetoric was a transparent attempt to regain face in the Arab world.
That Nasser’s positioning was defensive, rather than projecting an intention to wage an offensive against Israel, was well recognized among prominent Israelis. As Avraham Sela of the Shalem Center has observed, “The Egyptian buildup in Sinai lacked a clear offensive plan, and Nasser’s defensive instructions explicitly assumed an Israeli first strike.”
Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin acknowledged that “In June 1967, we again had a choice. The Egyptian army concentrations in the Sinai approaches do not prove that Nasser was really about to attack us. We must be honest with ourselves. We decided to attack him.”
Yitzhak Rabin, who would also later become Prime Minister of Israel, admitted in 1968 that “I do not think Nasser wanted war. The two divisions he sent to the Sinai would not have been sufficient to launch an offensive war. He knew it and we knew it.”
Israelis have also acknowledged that their own rhetoric at the time about the “threat” of “annihilation” from the Arab states was pure propaganda.
General Chaim Herzog, commanding general and first military governor of the occupied West Bank following the war, admitted that “There was no danger of annihilation. Israeli headquarters never believed in this danger.”
General Ezer Weizman similarly said, “There was never a danger of extermination. This hypothesis had never been considered in any serious meeting.”
Chief of Staff Haim Bar-Lev acknowledged, “We were not threatened with genocide on the eve of the Six-Day War, and we had never thought of such possibility.”
Israeli Minister of Housing Mordechai Bentov has also acknowledged that “The entire story of the danger of extermination was invented in every detail, and exaggerated a posteriori to justify the annexation of new Arab territory.”
In 1973, in what Israelis call the “Yom Kippur War”, Egypt and Syria launched a surprise offensive to retake the Sinai and the Golan Heights, respectively. This joint action is popularly described in contemporaneous accounts as an “invasion” of or act of “aggression” against Israel.
Yet, as already noted, following the June ’67 war, the U.N. Security Council passed resolution 242 calling upon Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories. Israel, needless to say, refused to do so and has remained in perpetual violation of international law ever since.
During the 1973 war, Egypt and Syria thus “invaded” their own territory, then under illegal occupation by Israel. The corollary of the description of this war as an act of Arab aggression implicitly assumes that the Sinai Peninsula, Golan Heights, West Bank, and Gaza Strip were Israeli territory. This is, needless to say, a grossly false assumption that demonstrates the absolutely prejudicial and biased nature of mainstream commentary when it comes to the Israeli-Arab conflict.
This false narrative fits in with the larger overall narrative, equally fallacious, of Israeli as the “victim” of Arab intransigence and aggression. This narrative, largely unquestioned in the West, flips reality on its head.'
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/06/17/top-ten-myths-about-the-i...
I would ask you to speculate if Russia or Syria will raise the question of the occupied ground.
Other more important matters in the north to attend to first, but I do see them getting around to mentioning it.
Before the Russian emigre Avigdor Lieberman quit Netanyahu's cabinet and his position as Israel's Foreign Minister, everyone knew of his efforts to bring Israel closer to Putin's Russia.
Israel's attacks on Damascus and Latakia in 2013 on the storehouses where Russian missiles were said to be, were mandated by Washington, before the arrival of NATO's flotilla off Syria. The uncertainty whether the weapons had actually been in the bombed out storehouses left Obama hesitant about going to battle against Russia's Yakhont missiles, lest Obama be known as the farce who sank a thousand of his own ships.
I have trouble believing that 800 specially trained Israeli Army commandos could sit around during the beheadings, the burnings and the raping and pillaging.
I can believe that their politician could witness all that and not blink an eye. But I can't believe 800 soldiers could just sit around a campfire....
Those attacks were not mandated by anyone other than Netanyahu, and in at least a few cases they plainly hit syrian command and control shortly before attacks by al nusra as well as "isis"
Do you think the daesh is really all hyperfundamentalist islamic psychos?
Its an army of drugged up psychos and criminals led by us and israeli spooks and spec ops.
Hence the massive desertions and need by the us and israel to recalibrate. Hence the turkish shootdown.
These people are dumb fuckers, but they sure dont know it yet.
$800 million and the average american is too stupid to realize what the fuck in going on...............ahahahahaha.........the US is fucked.............im going back to comedy central so at least i can laugh while im getting raped by uncle sam and his dim witted pawns in the police state
"if it gets out that the reason the US has refrained from bombing ISIS oil trucks until now is due to the fact that Ankara and Washington had an understanding when it comes to the flow of illicit crude to Cehyan, the American public may just insist on indicting "some folks."
Oh Please...
You can shoot thier president in the head right in front of them.
You can murder them en mass flying planes into buildings.
You can send their children off to die in illegal, unconstitutional wars based on blatant and obvious lies.
You can steal thier productive labor and doom them to slavery for generations.
And the American people aint gonna do shit.
No, not gonna happen.
For one, the majority of American public don't know, much less read, sites like Zerohedge.
And even they are told the truth, they will not care. Decades of brainwashing and entertainment have desensitized most of them to the point where they would rather go to a football game to get away from the mess than organizing a street protest against the thoroughly corrupt US federal government.
But then, they will not know the truth. The MSM isn't about to do a revolt.
america is over.
Time to focus on stopping what comes next being controlled by the same killer clowns who ruined it...
i figure if the US got $800 million from oil they would leach a good $550 million, so if isis doesnt allow any fraud and uses the money wisely to take on the US bully it is really like the US getting $1.6 billion.........................but you know McDonalds is serving breakfest all day so i can get their awsome pancakes and forget about it till it blows over
One Floor Over the Cuckoo's Nest --Juicy Fruit Scene--
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pZYU8OGO6Q
The psychopath gives his word that he will leave if more evidence of his crimes are provided, this evidence will of course be subject to his judgement of whether it is credible or constitutes evidence or not.
This guy is starting to remind me of Kim Jong.
One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest - Randal back in action scene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND31PWVW-TQ
Remind me again why this dissident-torturing tinpot military dictatorship with a parliamentary fig leaf is doing in NATO?
Oh right. Across the Black Sea from Russia. Curse you, geography!
Turkey has a toe in Europe's door.
Plus they pay cash for their American weapon purchases.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/war-with-isis-president-o...
All of a sudden....now we are demanding Turkey close the border? And..... all of a sudden Turkey had soldiers fighting ISIS?
That is strange. It sounds like they are only talking about 60 miles of the border but if they sealed the entire border that would seem to be temporary defeat and the bastards would probably be heading to target another country on their list.
..'To be sure, it’s impossible to track the path ISIS oil takes from extraction to market with any degree of precision....'
bullshit....i can tell you exactly how it gets out and where it goes. we have electronic means of tracking from the sky and the ground. we know every ship location and path. we can even chemically trace its origin.....on and on.
the problem is that no one cares....
Turkey took the blame. But who really did it? >> https://goo.gl/qazI3V
Finally, an answer to the age old question ...
Why Vladimir Putin, that's who
Russia and Persia are putting a brake on the worst evil the world has ever known; the worst debt; the most wars; the most lies.
The irony is that international financier .1% thieves, the new feudalists, promote globalisation as a mask for their theft, yet they hate and make endless war against real international understanding, real globalisation of the common kind which would serve and protect most people who want peace and reconciliation, not endless war for bankster profits and career politicians.
You are on the right track. However, IMHO, the culprits are the pink panty progressives/socialists of the world. They have been dumbing down the populist, brainwashing the next generation into 'Coexist' useful idiots. We are all equal...........NOT!
I have discovered that we are all equal. It's just that some are more equal than others.
Dear Tyler,
You forgot the hyphen.
Re-sign.
There's no way in hell that Erdogan is going to voluntarily leave office unless he can continue to exercise power even without the office.
Erdo-gone will have the same fate as Trotsky. There is no statute of limitations on his crimes. There is no place to hide. He will cling to State until his handlers reject him in order to save their own skins, and then ... no place on earth can save him from punishment. No one will hear his screams. No one will come to his aid.
Who really gives a F ? Get the U.S. out of there and let Russia sort it out!
Theoretically yes, but if it means cheap oil for Israel (like Marc Rich procured from Iran under sanctions) it won't happen in practice.
Turkey took the blame. But who really did it? >> https://goo.gl/qazI3V
GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!! Are you really so stupid as to believe Turkey would take the fall for Israel? You DO NOT know Islam! Or, you are a Musi!
I think it was some of Sardoogies uffos. They probably had a killer fart bomb.
Actually Turkey takes the fall for US
Well, not really, Obama just played them for a fool
But for some really good pictures of some fancy ground weapons
http://www.debka.com/article/25050/Russia-speeds-tons-of-heavy-artillery...
Ignore the blathering Jew haters, it is a great site,
Gee guys...O'Bummer is the fool.
Its an israeli propaganda site.
Remember how much time you, your other handles on here, and your co-trolls spend complaining that RT is not reliable, and how everyone who dissents from the neocon/zionist view of things is a 'kremlin troll?'
Well, you are a Zionist Jew troll, and you and teh finn, falcon fag/alphafag, and a handful of others are on an American blog doing nothing but spewing neocon and Zionist horseshit.
So, go fuck yourself, you racist Jew fuck.
What ever the government tells the news media....global warming......you have to wonder what they are really doing that they don't want you to know about.
Laying more groundwork for global governance.
Look at the psychopaths who are in the executive branches of national governments.
Now try to imagine what kind of control freaks we would have to look forward to with a global government.
As I read it, according to traditional international law, the Russian Federation may legally seize Erdogan's Maltese-flagged "neutral" tankers carrying ISIS' crude oil, because that crude oil constitutes a significant portion of ISIS' war making potential, that tanker then effectively constituting an enemy merchant vessel, with the tanker's subsequent condemnation in Russian prize courts, as the capturing belligerent power.
I hope that the Russian Federation's Navy seizes all of Erdogan's tankers, bankrupting Erdogan's company. Let them then sit in port for the next several years awaiting disposition in a Russian prize court.
Interesting.
Let's hope that something is being quietly planned. I guess that Putin wouldn't make a move until he has irrefutable evidence.
How fascist Daddy Erdogan would respond is anybody's guess...
Erdogan has become a distinct liability to those in the Turkish Deep State. They will see to his involuntary "resignation" with extreme prejudice.
Probably.
"If I'd written all the truth I knew for the past ten years, about 600 people - including me - would be rotting in prison cells from Rio to Seattle today. Absolute truth is a very rare and dangerous commodity in the context of professional journalism."
(Hunter S. Thompson)
The ultimate aim of professional journalists is to live longer than the criminals. Sunlight is a disinfectant. Exposing liars by using facts takes time, one ray at a time :-)
The Russians are using the old adage: 'Information is light.' Asymetric warfare is like that...
Zionist thugs have become lazy, entitled, inbred ninnies, expecting everything to go their way without complaint or challenge. They are very special snowflakes in their own minds. They will melt away under the light of facts - or go batshit crazy again and kill everyone in their way again because they are that idiotic, dangerously stupid.
A few of their names: Rothschild, Rockefeller, Bronfman, Oppenheimer, and their pets like insane Mcain, Ms Lindsey Graham, Pelosi, Feinstein, Bliar, Ms Mandelson, queen Draghi, the Bush tribe, Hitlery and her Hill Billy ... the list goes on and bloody on...
What proof?
Son bilal erDOGan running illegal oil ships & trucks
ISIS terrorists being paid in cash & kind(read weapons)
Turkish officials getting arrested for exposing weapons smuggling to ISIS by Turkish govt.
Son in law installed as energy minister.
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Mabee erDOGan will speak same words to his Allah : "What proof you have to condemn me to the burning hell?(Jahannum)"
Why Did Turkey Shoot Down The Russian Soukhoï 24?
http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=552336
Thanks for that link.
It has some interesting analysis of the situation.
The fact turkey violated syrian airspace to attack the russian bomber seems to have escaped the notice of the us media. How unaccountably odd.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/09/29/real-war-news-israeli-commandos-...
https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/11/02/greater-kurdistan-taking-sha...
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=6fe_1447706520
Israel is a master of framing its aggression as 'defense,' of course.
"Israel is a master of framing its aggression as 'defense,' of course"
Indeed. A trick that hasn't gone amiss by Cameron in the UK. He stated in Parliament two days ago that his plan to bomb Syria was a 'defensive' action.
"Who" he actually intends to bombs is a matter of debate ... especially now that the US & France have seemingly grounded their jets due to the arrival of Putin's S-400 missile systems.
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/turkey-allowing-isis-industrial-scale-oil-sales... a few photos
Why the big deal with Pollard?
"What's the big deal with Jonathan Pollard passing secret military intelligence to America's Closest Ally? Admittedly it seems there was some really serious stuff in there, including the deployment positions of American nuclear subs in the event of a war with the USSR. Details which the Israelis immediately traded with the Russkies in exchange for allowing more Jews emigrate to Israel. And at a stroke nullifying the whole American submarine-based ICBM capability. The Israelis also sold the most advanced AWACS system to Red China, thereby almost eliminating American first strike capabilities.
But hey, that's what friends are for."
http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2015/11/why-big-deal-with-pollard.html?m=1
http://nobsrussia.com/
Russia Insider has finally gone full potato. They have not merely jumped the shark. They have launched a rocket over the shark which escaped Earth’s gravity and is currently on its way out of our solar system. They have crossed into Poe’s Law territory to become self-parody. Behold: How Putin Taught Me a Lesson in Being Christ-like
Yeah. Let that title sink in and feel the “Whaaaaaa?” going through your mind even before you click. Read it if you want to suffer an existential crisis.
First of all, take a look at that author bio:
The author is a well-known Danish journalist trained in theology, who writes on religious affairs. She is a regular contributor to Russia Insider.
Okay. Couple things. First of all, they claim she is “well-known” but I couldn’t find any information on her that doesn’t appear on some pro-Russian site like RT.com, Russia Insider, or Da Russophile. There were a lot of sites in Danish and I’m perfectly able to believe that she might be popular there, but I’m a bit skeptical. That she is a regular contributor to Russia Insider doesn’t surprise me in the least.
Basically I’ll give you the gist of this mass grave of an article: Putin could have started WWIII and destroyed Turkey after the shoot-down of a Russian Su-24, but he didn’t. In other words, he was like Jesus- he turned the other cheek.
Now unlike Ms. Thranholm, I’m not “trained in theology,” but I was raised in the fundamentalist Christian movement and since becoming an atheist many years ago I started actually taking an avid interest in the stuff I pretty much ignored on countless Sundays throughout my childhood and teenage years. Let’s see what Jesus said about turning the other cheek:
“But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.” –Christ, Jesus H., Matthew 5:39*
Now the implication here is that if Putin really wanted to be Christ like, he’d send up another Su-24 for the Turks to shoot down. But what did Putin actually do in response to this act, which in all honesty was a total dick move on the part of Turkey and a war crime on the part of those rebels who murdered the ejected pilot?
Vladimir Putin warns of ‘serious consequences’ following Turkey shooting down Russian jetHmmm…Is that what Jesus would do? Very quickly after the news, the Turkish embassy was besieged by protesters who pelted it with rocks and other projectiles, breaking at least one window. Witnesses said police did nothing. Russian consumer authorities suddenly, and quite fortunately discovered listeria contamination in chicken imported from Turkey. Today the Turkish cultural center in Moscow has apparently been shut down.
Thranholm doesn’t stop there though. Check this out.
Putin now invites his foes to cooperate to defeat the menace of terrorism. This is similar to Christ enduring the pain and shame of the cross to save the world. Russia seems to follow the same path.
Wait a second. Isn’t the campaign against terrorism sort of a revenge thing? This is the guy who annexed part of another Christian nation and whose country waged a dirty war and propaganda war against that same nation all because they drove out a corrupt thief who wanted to go full dictator on everyone’s asses. There are numerous real quotes from Putin where he talks about hunting down terrorists and killing them.
Second, this is nothing like Christ’s “enduring pain and shame of the cross.” What sacrifice has Putin made? This is a man who robs his country so he and his friends can live in lavish palaces. If he has sacrificed anything, it is the ability to go or live abroad like some of his friends still do (those who are not yet sanctioned). Staying in the driver’s seat limits some of his options to enjoy his ill-gotten gains, but it’s still a pretty sweet life nonetheless.
And Russia “seems” to follow that path? Well, Russia certainly suffers like Christ did, I guess. But this has nothing to do with saving the world. Russia suffers because since 1991 it has been run by corrupt thieves who will fight to the last Russian worker to keep their stolen wealth and luxurious lifestyles.
Now before anyone gets permanent brain damage, I’ll quote one last gem to cap off this horror show.
Putin’s political decision is an expression of moral superiority and meekness that springs from being poor in spirit, the first step of following Christ and an ultimately spiritual Christian virtue.
Meekness? This is a man who is routinely depicted wearing military uniforms he never earned on t-shirts, posters, phone cases, and all manner of other souvenirs. This is a man who insists that he alone is capable of leading Russia. Meek my ass.
Is Putin Christ-like? Well Jesus wasn’t too big on stealing. He also said things like:
“Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal.” -Matthew 6:19
And here we’re talking about a “Christian” man who possesses several palatial residences, yachts, luxury cars, and watches which are collectively worth half a million dollars or more.
This is also a man who divorced his wife after he decided to come back to the presidency. They were living estranged from one another for quite some time, during which he was constantly dogged by persistent rumors that he was having an affair with Russian gymnast Alina Kabaeva.
Now the Russian Orthodox Church apparently allows divorce, but Jayzus don’t:
“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh?’ 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” –Matthew 19 4-6
Also, despite that discrepancy both the ROC and Jesus were pretty down on adultery. And even if the Kabaeva rumors were untrue, it’s clear that Putin obviously failed in his duties as a husband and a father.
Reading that article was as excruciating as watching Jesus get flayed in The Passion of the Christ. Before ending this, I just wanted to point out that the author is from Denmark, the country where the infamous Mohammed cartoon scandals started. She has so much admiration for Russia as a defender of Christian civilization, but does she know that Russia has repeatedly forbid publishing caricatures of Mohammed, and the same Danish artists who did so in her native country would face penalties in Russia? Indeed, when Chechen head Kadyrov blessed a polygamous wedding between a 17-year-old girl and a middle-aged man, Russia’s children’s rights advocate Pavel Astakhov and family values politician Duma deputy Elena Mizulina acted like good submissive Russians and publicly approved of the union.
Alright. I’m done. There’s nothing more you can say about that other than hope it is just some sort of elaborate prank. But because we have no reason to make such an assumption, you know what the proper response is:
https://youtu.be/jRKz82v5JQY
You said it, movie guy.
*Bible quotes all come from the King James Version, aka The One True Holy Bible Accept no Substitutes!
Zionism's Master Plan for World Power
Documented and Dated
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/zionisms_master_plan.htm
Another copy/paste job from Latvia.
Are you being paid by the word now? What happened to the broken English, stuttering Latvian of last week? The least they could do is give each of you guys your own login. They have you hot racking too?
Must be some interesting satellite pictures. We'll see what the Russions come up with.
Indeed - here is leaked example: https://youtu.be/AWvlH6Gn_FM?t=55s
Erdogen is offering to step down because he knows if he doesn't he is dead, with or without NATO. He is probably dead anyway, but he's trying to save his skin. He shouldn't have shot at a Russian jet performing anti-terrorist operations in Syria even if it did volate Turkish airspace for 17 seconds, and I think NATO has made it clear they may have Turkey's back but not his, because it's just not selling well internationally. So now he needs a way out that doesn't involve imminant death.
NATO is probably even more pissed because now there is at least one S-400, SU-34's are flying with anti-aircraft missles, anti-aircraft boats are in the area, and SU-30's are on the way. It's now just to dangerous for NATO to look like they are participating. I am sure Russia has no intention of firing on the US or Britain or France, but an F-16 looks like and F-16 so you better have flight clearance which is something NATO will not ask Russia for.
And don't forget that Britain cleared it's pilots to shoot at Russian planes before this happened, when Russia was at that time carrying no air to air capacity. Well how are the Russians supposed to interpret that now? And now they are carrying the air to air missles. Britain best stays home for now.
Best to stay out of Syrian airspace if you are not Syrian or Russian at this point I think. The French want in but will have to fly preapproved flight plans and it won't be the US authorizing them.
The US could of course change the situation by attacking Russian equipment at air, sea, and ground, but then all hell will break loose as there will be significant losses on both sides and the Russians will be very suspect why the US would attack them in Syria. I suspect the response would be an unimaginable escalation.
Excellent all of it.
And your last sentence is, I fear, absolutely spot-on.
Dude wrong analysis, where do you get all this nonsense?
Right now stuff in Syria and Rusian's action after their plane down is unpridicted, period.
Look at how everybody USA, UK, France, Germeny are in rush convincinig their senet,or parlamas to boot in the ground or escalate the airstrikes against the supposdly terorist ISIS,boogy man.Why now all of the sudden after learning Russian's S-400 got in position?
USA/NATO and their circus groups/WEST are upto something here.May be to cover their little dirty secret works got exposed,Thanks to this Erdogan guy action.Well it is too late.Reports of their involvment is every where.These countries ISRAEL,USA and other intelligence services are all in the know of this and have been instrumental for such unimaginable beast.The world is waking up to to know this horibl news.Probably they are not worring about this anymore,except doing disaster managment now.
Syria,unfortunatly will never be a country again,i am not pessimist.Seeing all this voulchers except Russia,Iran and their allies take control it solely.Can we imagin GOD forbbid what will happen if one bird of them downed by Russians? This mother fucker will have an excuse to do their betting,an all out WAR.This is why Russias are being carful in not retaliating the enemy.They must have first convince the world who is doing what.After that this vampires think they are in control, but they will get their hand.Before that i don't see anything will be forcasted.Support Russian's and their friends for humanity.
Erdogan is pathetic beyond belief. His IQ is comparable to that of GW Bush, the biggest political clown in the world to date. Frankly, the best and probably the only practical way for Erdogan to salvage some respect is, IMHO, commit suicide.
So I lost count. How many dick waggin governments are in this pissin contest now?
Legit governments fighting terrorists: Syria, Russia, Iran, Iraq
Dick Waggin governments engaging in pissin contest: USA, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, UAE,
No sanctions on Turkey or Israel though, right?
https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/11/16/after-paris-attacks-france-b...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-isis-rockefellers-how-islamic-state-oil...
The first article def is worth your perusal, Danny boy.
So if the flow stops, where's Israel get its oil from next?
http://theantimedia.org/what-rothschild-murdoch-cheney-and-israel-love-m...
http://original.antiwar.com/dan_sanchez/2015/10/05/seize-the-chaos/
http://m.journal-neo.org/2015/10/26/genies-and-genocide-syria-israel-rus...
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/how-islamist-rebels-engineered-isra...
Meanwhile back in Turkey all those with the requisite proof are being hastily put behind bars.
You can draw parallels here in relation to the modus operandi of Teresa May and the rest of the Cabinet in relation to the peadophile scandal in the UK. If only Putin would do us all favour here and produce the evidence to expose those involved.
Liars, damned liars and politicians!
"You can draw parallels here in relation to the modus operandi of Teresa May and the rest of the Cabinet in relation to the peadophile scandal in the UK."
Indeed. The pedophile cover-up in Britain goes back ~30 years and involves all political parties, police and local.gov officials. MSM have also played a part.
A scandal of huge scale involving a lot of people in very high places.
The French are waking up to the sordid reality, and this is their mainstream media!!! ISIL financed by Qatar, Saudi Arabia, US; oil going through Turkey etc etc. All here on the premier French radio station, France Inter.
http://www.wikistrike.com/2015/11/syrie-daesh-revelations-incroyables-su...
Israeli Colonel Caught with IS Pants Down
25.11.2015 Author: F. William Engdahl
345345435This was definitely not supposed to happen. It seems that an Israeli military man with the rank of colonel was “caught with IS pants down.” By that I mean he was captured amid a gaggle of so-called IS–or Islamic State or ISIS or DAESH depending on your preference–terrorists, by soldiers of the Iraqi army. Under interrogation by the Iraqi intelligence he apparently said a lot regarding the role of Netanyahu’s IDF in supporting IS.
In late October an Iranian news agency, quoting a senior Iraqi intelligence officer, reported the capture of an Israeli army colonel, named Yusi Oulen Shahak, reportedly related to the ISIS Golani Battalion operating in Iraq in the Salahuddin front. In a statement to Iran’s semi-official Fars News Agency a Commander of the Iraqi Army stated, “The security and popular forces have held captive an Israeli colonel.” He added that the IDF colonel “had participated in the Takfiri ISIL group’s terrorist operations.” He said the colonel was arrested together with a number of ISIL or IS terrorists, giving the details: “The Israeli colonel’s name is Yusi Oulen Shahak and is ranked colonel in Golani Brigade… with the security and military code of Re34356578765az231434.”
Why Israel?
Ever since the beginning of Russia’s very effective IS bombing of select targets in Syria on September 30, details of the very dirty role of not only Washington, but also NATO member Turkey under President Erdogan, Qatar and other states has come into the sunlight for the first time.
It’s becoming increasingly clear that at least a faction in the Obama Administration has played a very dirty behind-the-scenes role in supporting IS in order to advance the removal of Syrian President Bashar al Assad and pave the way for what inevitably would be a Libya-style chaos and destruction which would make the present Syrian refugee crisis in Europe a mere warmup by comparison.
The “pro-IS faction” in Washington includes the so-called neo-conservatives centered around disgraced former CIA head and executioner of the Iraqi “surge” General David Petraeus. It also includes US General John R. Allen, who since September 2014 had served as President Obama’s Special Presidential Envoy for the Global Coalition to Counter ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) and, until she resigned in February 2013, it included Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
Significantly, General John Allen, an unceasing advocate of a US-led “No Fly Zone” inside Syria along the border to Turkey, something President Obama refused, was relieved of his post on 23 October, 2015. That was shortly after launch of the highly-effective Russian strikes on Syrian IS and Al Qaeda’s Al Nusra Front terrorist sites changed the entire situation in the geopolitical picture of Syria and the entire Middle East.
UN Reports cites Israel
That Netanyahu’s Likud and the Israeli military work closely with Washington’s neo-conservative war-hawks is well-established, as is the vehement opposition of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to Obama’s nuclear deal with Iran. Israel regards the Iranian-backed Shi’a Islamist militant group, Hezbollah, based in Lebanon, as arch foe. Hezbollah has been actively fighting alongside the Syrian Army against ISIS in Syria. General Allen’s strategy of “bombings of ISIS” since he was placed in charge of the operation in September 2014, as Russia’s Putin and Foreign Minister Lavrov have repeatedly pointed out, far from destroying ISIS in Syria, had vastly expanded their territorial control of the country. Now it becomes clear that that was precisely the intent of Allen and the Washington war faction.
Since at least 2013 Israeli military have also openly bombed what they claim were Hezbollah targets inside Syria. Investigation revealed that in fact Israel was hitting Syrian military and Hezbollah targets who are valiantly fighting against ISIS and other terrorists. De facto thereby Israel was actually helping ISIS, like General John Allen’s year-long “anti-ISIS” bombings.
That a faction in the Pentagon has secretly worked behind-the-scenes to train, arm and finance what today is called ISIS or IS in Syria is now a matter of open record. In August 2012, a Pentagon document classified “Secret,” later declassified under pressure of the US NGO Judicial Watch, detailed precisely the emergence of what became the Islamic State or ISIS emerging from the Islamic State in Iraq, then an Al Qaeda affiliate.
The Pentagon document stated, “…there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist Principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition [to Assad-w.e.] want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran).” The supporting powers to the opposition in 2012 then included Qatar, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, the USA and behind-the-scenes, Netanyahu’s Israel.
Precisely this creation of a “Salafist Principality in eastern Syria,” today’s territory of ISIL or IS, was the agenda of Petraeus, General Allen and others in Washington to destroy Assad. It’s what put the Obama Administration at loggerhead with Russia, China and Iran over the bizarre US demand Assad must first go before ISIS can be destroyed. Now the game is in the open for the world to see Washington’s duplicity in backing what the Russian’s accurately call “moderate terrorists” against a duly-elected Assad. That Israel is also in the midst of this rats’ nest of opposition terrorist forces in Syria was confirmed in a recent UN report.
What the report did not mention was why Israeli IDF military would have such a passionate interest in Syria, especially Syria’s Golan Heights.
Why Israel wants Assad Out
In December, 2014 the Jerusalem Post in Israel reported the findings of a largely ignored, and politically explosive report detailing UN sightings of Israeli military together with ISIS terrorist combatants. The UN peacekeeping force, UN Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF), stationed since 1974 along the Golan Heights border between Syria and Israel, revealed that Israel had been working closely with Syrian opposition terrorists, including Al Qaeda’s Al Nusra Front and IS in the Golan Heights, and “kept close contact over the past 18 months.” The report was submitted to the UN Security Council. Mainstream media in the US and West buried the explosive findings.
The UN documents showed that the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) were maintaining regular contact with members of the so-called Islamic State since May of 2013. The IDF stated that this was only for medical care for civilians, but the deception was broken when the UNDOF observers identified direct contact between IDF forces and ISIS soldiers, including giving medical care to ISIS fighters. Observations even included the transfer of two crates from the IDF to ISIS forces, the contents of which have not been confirmed. Further the UN report identified what the Syrians label a “crossing point of forces between Israel and ISIS,” a point of concern UNDOF brought before the UN Security Council.
The UNDOF was created by a May, 1974 UN Security Council Resolution No. 350 in the wake of tensions from the October 1973 Yom Kippur War between Syria and Israel. It established a buffer zone between Israel and Syria’s Golan Heights according to the 1974 Disengagement of Forces Agreement, to be governed and policed by the Syrian authorities. No military forces other than UNDOF are permitted within it. Today it has 1,200 observers.
Since 2013 and the escalation of Israeli attacks on Syria along the Golan Heights, claiming pursuit of “Hezbollah terrorists,” the UNDOF itself has been subject to massive attacks by ISIS or Al Qaeda’s Al Nusra Front terrorists in the Golan Heights for the first time since 1974, of kidnappings, of killings, of theft of UN weapons and ammunition, vehicles and other assets, and the looting and destruction of facilities. Someone obviously does not want UNDOF to remain policing the Golan Heights.
Israel and Golan Heights Oil
In his November 9 White House meeting with US President Obama, Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu asked Washington to reconsider the fact that since the 1967 Six-Days’ War between Israel and the Arab countries, Israel has illegally occupied a significant part of the Golan Heights. In their meeting, Netanyahu, apparently without success, called on Obama to back formal Israeli annexation of the illegally-occupied Golan Heights, claiming that the absence of a functioning Syrian government “allows for different thinking” concerning the future status of the strategically important area.
Of course Netanyahu did not address in any honest way how Israeli IDF and other forces had been responsible for the absence of a functioning Syrian government by their support for ISIS and Al Nusra Front of Al Qaeda.
In 2013, when UNDOF began to document increasing contact between Israeli military and IS and Al Qaeda along the Golan Heights, a little-known Newark, New Jersey oil company, Genie Energy, with an Israeli daughter company, Afek Oil & Gas, began also moving into Golan Heights with permission of the Netanyahu government to explore for oil. That same year Israeli military engineers overhauled the forty-five mile border fence with Syria, replacing it with a steel barricade that included barbed wire, touch sensors, motion detectors, infrared cameras, and ground radar, putting it on par with the Wall Israel has constructed in the West Bank.
Interestingly enough, on October 8, Yuval Bartov, chief geologist from Genie Energy’s Israeli subsidiary, Afek Oil & Gas, told Israel’s Channel 2 TV that his company had found a major oil reservoir on the Golan Heights: “We’ve found an oil stratum 350 meters thick in the southern Golan Heights. On average worldwide, strata are 20 to 30 meters thick, and this is 10 times as large as that, so we are talking about significant quantities.” As I noted in an earlier article, the International Advisory Board of Genie Energy includes such notorious names as Dick Cheney, former CIA head and infamous neo-con James Woolsey, Jacob Lord Rothschild and others.
Of course no reasonable person in their right mind would suggest there might be a link between Israeli military dealings with the ISIS and other anti-Assad terrorists in Syria, especially in the Golan Heights, and the oil find of Genie Energy in the same place, and with Netanyahu’s latest Golan Heights “rethink” appeal to Obama. That would smell too much like “conspiracy theory” and all reasonable people know conspiracies don’t exist, only coincidences. Or? In fact, to paraphrase the immortal words of Brad Pitt in the role of West Virginia First Lieutenant Aldo Raine in the final scene of Tarantino’s brilliant film, Inglorious Basterds, it seems that ‘Ol Netanyahu and his pecker-suckin pals in the IDF and Mossad just got caught with their hands in a very dirty cookie jar in Syria.
F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics, exclusively for the online magazine “New Eastern Outlook”.
http://m.journal-neo.org/2015/11/25/israeli-colonel-caught-with-is-pants...
It's good that Israel's direct involvement with ISIS is being exposed. Too bad that neither MSM nor Western.govs make no mention of it.
There's more here about Israel's ISIS involvement from the UN:
"UN Report Reveals How Israel is Coordinating with ISIS Militants Inside Syria"
Agreed. One must stand in amazement at the complete lack of coverage if the UNDOF reports and the coordinated attacks on them by Israel's proxies.
http://theantimedia.org/un-report-confirms-israel-al-qaeda-rebels-syria/
http://m.journal-neo.org/2015/10/26/genies-and-genocide-syria-israel-rus...
http://original.antiwar.com/dan_sanchez/2015/10/05/seize-the-chaos/
Is it not odd that ISIS has not touched Israel’s oil pipeline route from Kirkuk, Turkey to Israel?
http://www.syriatruths.com/is-it-not-odd-that-isis-has-not-touched-israe...
Indeed the complete lack of any real jounalism in the US media is absolutely terrifying.
The us msm is absolutely controlled propaganda. This isnt to say one shouldnt be skeptical of alt media too, but major media in the US is shameless, naked bullshit.
How can there not be a rebellion sooner or later within the 'Deep State' since they must know even more about us and isrseli support for Christian-murdering terrorist mercs?
When will the Christian Zionists finally begin to understand that they have been misled and deceived by their false idol worship? When will they see evil as evil?
We have got to the situation with Israel where they behave above the law, are a law unto themselves, do exactly what they want, violate international standards of human rights etc etc and nobody speaks out against it. Western.govs brush it all aside and MSM don't mention it.
Any brave gentile who speaks out is immediately labelled "anti-semitic" (even though most Israelis are not semitic) and any brave jew who speaks out is labelled a "self-hating jew".
You couldn't make this up. It will have blowback eventually...
"The colonization of Northern Syria is an old Israeli project linked to the development of missile weaponry. It calls for the creation of an independent state in the north of the country in order to control Syria from behind, just as Israel had created the state of Southern Sudan in 2011, to control Egypt from behind.
This Israeli project was taken up again by France and gave rise, in 2011, to a secret treaty signed by Alain Juppé and Ahmet Davutoglu.
Turkey agreed that this new state would be governed by the Kurdish minority and that Ankara would be allowed to expel the PKK there, thus affirming Turkish supremacy in their own country.
In September 2013, the Pentagon published a new map of the division of the region designed by Robin Wright. This map included the creation of Daesh’s Islamic Emirate and the creation of a new « Kurdistan » in the Arab territories of Syria.
In mid-October 2015, in reaction to the Russian campaign against the jihadists, the CIA created the « Syrian Democratic Forces », presented as an alliance between the Syrian Kurds and the « rebels ». In actual fact, the SDF is simply a new label for the YPG (People’s Protection Units, the Kurdish forces who until then had been loyal to Damascus) with the addition of a few Arabs to act as a front."
https://willyloman.wordpress.com/2015/11/02/greater-kurdistan-taking-sha...
"Foreign meddling in Syria began several years before the Syrian revolt erupted. Wikieaks released leaked US State Department cables from 2006 revealing U.S. plans to overthrow the Syrian government through instigating civil strife, and receiving these very orders straight from Tel Aviv. The leaks reveal the United State’s partnership with nations like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar and even Egypt to use sectarianism to divide Syria through the Sunni and Shiite divide to destabilize the nation to weaken Iran and Hezbolla. Israel is also revealed to attempt to use this crisis to expand it’s occupation of the Golan Heights for additional oil exploration, according to Wikileaks editor Julian Assange.
According to major media outlets like the BBC and the Associated Press, the demonstrations that supposedly swept Syria were comprised of only hundreds of people, but additional Wikileaks cables reveal CIA involvement on the ground in Syria to instigate these very demonstrations as early as March 2011."
http://www.mintpressnews.com/migrant-crisis-syria-war-fueled-by-competin...
'What do Dick Cheney, James Woolsey, Bill Richardson, Jacob Lord Rothschild, Rupert Murdock, Larry Summers and Michael Steinhardt have in common? They all are members of the Strategic Advisory Board of a Newark, New Jersey-based oil and gas group with the name, Genie Energy. It’s quite a collection of names.
Dick Cheney, before becoming George W. Bush’s “shadow president” in 2001, was CEO of the world’s largest oilfield services company, Halliburton, also reported to be a CIA-linked company tied to the Bush family cabal. James Woolsey, a neo-con former CIA Director under Bill Clinton, today sits as the chairman of the neo-con think-tank, Foundation for Defense of Democracies, and is a member of the pro-Likud Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP). He was a member of the infamous Project for a New American Century (PNAC), along with Cheney, Don Rumsfeld and a gaggle of neo-cons who later staffed the Bush-Cheney administration. After September 11, 2001 Woolsey referred to the Bush-Cheney War on Terror as “World War IV,” counting the Cold War as World War III. Bill Richardson is a former US Secretary of Energy. Rupert Murdock, owner of major US and UK media including the Wall Street Journal, is the major financier of the neo-conservative Weekly Standard of Bill Kristol, who founded the PNAC. Larry Summers was US Treasury Secretary and drafted the laws that deregulated US banks from the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act, in effect opening the floodgates to the US financial crisis of 2007-2015. Michael Steinhardt the hedge fund speculator, is a philanthropic friend of Israel, of Marc Rich and a board member of Woolsey’s neo-con Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. And Jacob Lord Rothschild is a former business partner of convicted Russian oil oligarch, Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Before his arrest Khodorkovsky secretly transferred his shares in Yukos Oil to Rothschild. Rothschild is a part-owner of Genie Energy which in 2013 was granted exclusive oil and gas exploration rights to a 153-square mile radius in the southern part of the Golan Heights by the Netanyahu government. In short, it’s quite an eye-popping board.
Golan Heights and international law
The Israeli government gave the concession to Genie in the disputed Golan Heights in 2013 when the US-led destabilization of the Syrian Assad regime was in full force. Conveniently, Israel also began building fortifications at that time to seal off the illegally-occupied Golan Heights from Syria, knowing there was little Assad or Syria could do to stop it. In 2013, as Genie Energy began moving into Golan Heights, Israeli military engineers overhauled the forty-five mile border fence with Syria, replacing it with a steel barricade that includes barbed wire, touch sensors, motion detectors, infrared cameras, and ground radar, putting it on par with the Wall Israel has constructed in the West Bank.
Now, as Damascus fights for its life, apparently, Genie has discovered a huge oil field precisely there.' ...
http://m.journal-neo.org/2015/10/26/genies-and-genocide-syria-israel-rus...
Of course the Nutty Yahoo is going to grant a concession to politically connected US energy entity (he's nutty, not stupid), because he wants something very specific from the holder of Israel's pocket veto at the UNSC.
If you haven't come across it before, check out the Project for a New Middle East.
Originally proposed in 2006, it's even more relevant today.