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NYT: Americans With Assault Rifles Should "Give Them Up For The Good Of Their Fellow Citizens"
Submitted by Matt Vespa via Townhall.com,
Well, it seems the media’s horrific campaign of inaccuracy hasn’t stopped. According to Reuters, for the first time in nearly a century, The New York Times editorial board took their plea for gun bans to the front page on Saturday, calling our nation’s inaction on gun control a “moral outrage and a national disgrace.” No, we shouldn’t be surprised that they decided to follow the likes of the Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times with their own inane call to arms for gun control. And we shouldn’t be shocked that they want policies that employ confiscatory measures, while also banning an entire class of firearms, specifically assault rifles and certain types of ammunition [emphasis mine]:
It is a moral outrage and a national disgrace that civilians can legally purchase weapons designed specifically to kill people with brutal speed and efficiency. These are weapons of war, barely modified and deliberately marketed as tools of macho vigilantism and even insurrection.
America’s elected leaders offer prayers for gun victims and then, callously and without fear of consequence, reject the most basic restrictions on weapons of mass killing, as they did on Thursday. They distract us with arguments about the word terrorism. Let’s be clear: These spree killings are all, in their own ways, acts of terrorism.
[…]
It is not necessary to debate the peculiar wording of the Second Amendment. No right is unlimited and immune from reasonable regulation.
Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.
First, let’s give it up for the New York Times, and their like-minded colleagues in the media–and in politics–for driving up gun sales. Undoubtedly, after all of this nonsensical discussion about gun control, gun and ammo sales will go up (that’s a good thing). The irony never ceases to amaze me how the very faction of this country what wants to deploy unconstitutional gun control measures, only end up becoming better gun salespersons.
Moreover, every mass shooting is an act of terror? They’re not. Mass shootings can be part of a terrorist’s arsenal of carnage to push whatever agenda they have in mind, but not every mass shooting is terrorism. The same logic is applied to defining genocide. Genocide is mass killing, but not all mass killings are genocides. What happened in Paris was a horrific terrorist attack perpetrated by ISIS. They had an agenda. They deployed suicide bombers and shooters to target scores of innocent Parisians, which they thought could influence the nation’s policy in the Middle East. The Islamic State attacked France for insulting the prophet Muhammad; they called Paris “the capital of abomination and perversion;” and–perhaps the most important part–the French were attacked due to their intervention in Syria. There are multiple definitions of terrorism; almost every singe one includes some form of political goal. There was no such goal when Adam Lanza senselessly murdered 20 schoolchildren in Newtown in 2012, hence why it was called a mass shooting, and not an act of terrorism. Concerning the San Bernardino shooting, it’s now a federal terrorism investigation. We’ll know in due time the motives and aims behind this attack.
The Times says that it’s easy to define “combat rifles,” though they apparently didn’t know the definition of terrorism–and the left has tried to do this back in the early 1990s with the Assault Weapons Ban. It was a laughable piece of comedy that was attached to the overall Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act in 1994, that was partially responsible for historic Democratic losses in the midterm elections. When it expired in 2004, the data showed that these weapons are a) rarely used in crimes, which remains so to this day and b) did next to nothing to reduce violent crime. Oddly enough, the New York Times ran a piece in September of 2014 highlighting that fact:
…[I]n the 10 years since the previous ban lapsed, even gun control advocates acknowledge a larger truth: The law that barred the sale of assault weapons from 1994 to 2004 made little difference.
It turns out that big, scary military rifles don’t kill the vast majority of the 11,000 Americans murdered with guns each year. Little handguns do[*].
In 2012, only 322 people were murdered with any kind of rifle, F.B.I. data shows.
[…]
The policy proved costly. Mr. Clinton blamed the ban for Democratic losses in 1994. Crime fell, but when the ban expired, a detailed study found no proof that it had contributed to the decline.
The ban did reduce the number of assault weapons recovered by local police, to 1 percent from roughly 2 percent.
“Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement,” a Department of Justice-funded evaluation concluded.
Lastly, the “it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens” part. Why? The vast majority of gun owners–99.9 percent according to Sen. Bernie Sanders–are law-abiding. They have to turn them over because the liberal political class is egregiously ignorant on this issue? They have to turn them over because while they aren’t used often in gun crimes, liberals are afraid of them? The Times has shown that the left is getting closer to outright saying having assault rifles in one's home warrants the National Guard, FBI, ATF, and local law enforcement busting down your door, terrifying your family, and confiscating constitutionally protected items.
Any rational person should balk at this proposal. Any Second Amendment supporter would, as in other counties, should (and probably would) completely ignore the call to hand over their firearms. But if you’re a liberal–in keeping with their principle that government power should be controlled by the few in order to be dictated to the rest of us–you must believe this is a good policy. If ending gun violence enhances the public good, then by all means strip law-abiding Americans of their rights; the end result will pay off. It’s a perverse notion.
This is where this debate is heading–and it’s getting messier with each horrific mass shooting. The left is now mixing terrorism and mass shootings to push a narrative to eviscerate the Second Amendment. We once again have rehashed stories about the AR-15 rifle, which isn’t as powerful as a hunting rifle and rarely used in crimes. And we have the media endorsing gun control policies that would require gun bans and confiscation. They’re insinuating parts of it, but the brash call to ban guns entirely is coming.
Yes, not every right is absolute. There are restrictions, but government and active citizenry should work to maximize these rights to their fullest extent. The pre-existing laws on guns are fine. We need to have a debate on how to revamp our mental health system, and integrate it into our background check system. The problem is that it doesn’t accomplish the left’s goal of destroying gun rights, so they’ll do everything in their power to prevent that debate.
*Support for a handgun ban is insanely low.
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Idiots, don't know what civil war looks like ? Look at the ME.
What else would you expect from the New York Times (a.k.a. Pravda-on-the-Hudson)?
Not going to happen without enormous bloodshed and door to door attacks on Americans.
The resulting casualties in cops, their families, judges & their families, politicians and their families and the gun owners in their homes will make these staged shootings look insignificant.
Can't be done or the left loses their alleged moral argument.
I guess when the Feds finally give in to their ingrained psychopathic tendencies we can just bop them on the nose with our rolled up Sunday newspaper. That will learn them.
Yes, the jew bolsehviks want to disarm America and their frontpiece, the NYT's is printing their agenda. F'em. Buy more! Get ready. The Bolshies are ready.
The N.Y.T. and Washington Post should merge so that sane people don't have to hurl their "common sense" remarks twice.
The N.Y.T. readership base is on the level of CNBS and Airport Lounge music.
@YC, off topic, but did u close out the Gold long?
Yes... I had a trailing stop on it. I bought @ 1054.14 and my stop was hit @ 1076.09.
I thought about keeping the trade open or doing a partial close, and adding more this morning [at the bottom during N.Y.] but I want to keep my powder dry.
Nice, good to keep some powder ready ahead of next week's meeting.
The brains of these newpaper writers are so small, if they could possibly be extracted and placed in an ant's asshole, they'd bounce around like a pea in a box car.
lol
Or, alternative to giving it all away, how about we have a requirement that every able-bodied adult (women as well as men) over the age of 21 not haveing a violent criminal record owns and can produce for inspection a loaded AR-15 or equivalent in their place of residence, and everyone over 18 has logged 20 hours a year on the range with their weapon of choice. AND anyone not a violent felon wants or needs to open-carry a firearm up to/including .45 caliber will receive a 2 year permit for same ON DEMAND granting them permission to display such weapon in any public or private place, state house, educational institution or house of worship anywhere in the 50 US states and territories. AND that depriving any individual so approved or required of the right to bear and/or display their self defense weaponry will be prosecuted as a felony.
Okay NYT, back in your court.
More or less what police have been doing world-wide. Used to be that UK police were unarmed.
Now the police are like assualt squads.
Homeowners and families need to respond BUT crazies need to be filtered???? So how to do that? Even the best background check will not uncover instability that is growing,
In New Zealand, a gun buyer must have a firearms license, which requires that he supply references, which have to be people who have (or at least appear to have) an established "responsible position" in the community: physician, dentist, lawyer, judge, police officer, clergy, business owner (I think) with a fixed place of business, and several other categories of people.
While such a requirement will probably never fly in the USA, it does seem to me to be a reasonable attempt at screening out the disaffected loner / crazy dude. I really do NOT think that the founding fathers of the USA intended that the village idiot had a right to bear arms. As it stands, until you have been adjudicated as a nut case, you're not really a nut case until after you've shot up the town.
What is your basis for believing the founding fathers didn't intend the village idiot to have a right to keep and bear arms? Try anchoring your beliefs with evidence.
In Florida, gun buyers must have a car to get him/her to any of the local flea markets.
Tyler
I admire your financial acumen. But your conspiracy theory based rants are only great for selling website ads and not any good for America.
Nobody wants to take ALL your guns away. Calm, logical minded people want to get rid of armor piercing bullets and machine gun type weapons. And they want to close all weapon purchasing loopholes. They also want them kept from mentally challenged people. And they want to allow the rest of us to have a gun to protect our homes and families.
So please stick to financial issues.
https://kontradictions.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/dear-democratic-gun-cont...
Beware the barrel shroud.
Nobody wants to take ALL your guns away...today.
Do you include yourself in the grouping of the "rest of us to have a gun to protect our homes and families?" And, do you understand that the 2nd amendment was put there to allow us to protect our homes and families from a government gone wild? And don't say that can't happen. Governments collapse all the time - you only need to look as far as Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and soon a few countries in South America all thanks to the calm and logical people in power.
Calm and logical minded people understand that it's not the law abiding gun owner who is the problem.
Do you not understand that that is exactly what is happening, and has been since 9/11?
9/11 was a false flag operation by the US government against its own people under the control of Israeli-Neocons. It is the coup. It is the tyranny. The gun control is part of it. Part of it both ways, they would love to make it happen for real, but as a reason for rebellion, which they will then use to invoke Martial Law.
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/12/03/911-is-the-weak-spot/
Go on hating people, hate those terrible blacks, hate those Muslims. Make it easy for them, and the many years it will take to get back out of the poverty and the number of children who die of poverty will be on your conscience. You folks are very easily lead, you know?
9/11 can't be discussed in any Status Quo arena. It cannot be recognized by any of the senior military officers, retired. Not by the fire fighters until they retire. Not by the cops, ... The control of the media should impress you very much and make you think about what else they can make you think, but instead you hate your fellow man.
9/11 was a False Flag operation by the Israeli-Neocons in the US Government
I'm not sure where you're coming from with all the hate talk, kind of out of left field. The 911 stuff doesn't make much sense either: If you're a believer in that, which I'm not, you'd be packing in lead, steel, and brass faster than I am. But, I guess you're not.
Are you on the right thread? Was this a random post? How's the weather in Islamabad this morning?
He's just been spamming all recent ZH threads with this same exact Ctrl-V copy-pasta.
So don't take it personally. :-)
SOrry, I will not disappear so easily.
You don't know much, and don't seem to know it, if you aren't hasbara. Actually, it is clear that you are, that bit using 'hatred' as tho I was doing it. Very nice, actually, but it gives you away. Most Hasbara posts do something like that, you are all too clever by half. Sort of the equivalent of a Syrian passport, you know?
I have a standard bet with people I know : I put an ounce of gold on the table, and I say "Watch 10 hours of videos I show you", then whatch any amount of anything you wish, and you will agree with me and owe me an ounce of gold. Otherwise, you take that ounce of gold, no questions asked.
None of them take that bet. None are weak-minded enough to think I would believe anything that is not real solid.
And because of that, you can be confident that very many people of my mental independences and reverence for objective-as-we-can-be reality, understand, KNOW, that 9/11 was a false flag operation by Israeli-Neocons in control of the US government.
Go watch the Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth videos. If you can't follow the science and logic, watch the people. Solid folks, not the kind who are fooled by dumb shit.
So nice try, but just another opportunity to tell folks the story.
And, do you notice, nobody argues about 9/11. They always lose, the facts are unbelieveably damning. Those people murdered 3K people and have militarized our society in pursuit of power. And they have been winning. MSM can't deal with the issue.
Many very guilty people are in our governments around the world. The terrorist attacks were all caused, at base, by 9/11 and the wars that justified.
Which Israeli-Neocons in the US Government?
You are familiar with the FBI director at the time? ?? and his side-kic Cofer Black? Clarke? Cheney? Bush? The entire top eschelon of the US government military and intelligence groups, it would appear.
Watch some AE911 videos. Realize how absolutely incredible it is that any political group would do a false flag operation of that magnitude and get by with it for this long. Wow, can you say 'control of the political agenda'?
And then ask what else they can make you think, and is that likely to be good for me?
And realize, these guys are not idiots, they had many possible plans, and some of them would be more false flag attacks. Or something equivalent. They need a civil war, a revolution, a revolt. Otherwise they hang. And from that requirement come the discords of the world, MSM loving every one and amplifying them to the max.
Those aren't even Israeli neocons. I'll pass on both sides' blatantly false propaganda. YouTube and critical thought are mutually exclusive.
"Shall not be abridged."
Can you comprehend what that means?
Your pathetic, mealy-mouthed talking points lifted directly from the Alinsky handbook of the Regressive Left aren't even good for selling ads and certainly not any good for America.
So please stick to pimping links to your blog in every other post you make.
If you were born in Hawaii (we think?) but raised in Indonesia and Kenya -- then you would have trouble understanding American English too.
Time to boycott companies that advertise in the NY Times -- don't support companies that support anti-Americanism. Shut down the NY Times
The turd wasn't born in Hawaii.
No matter where he was born, he was raised by a father who hated the USA. Raised in countries that hated the USA.
When he finally arrived in the USA, it wasn't to get a real job and work to improve his family's lot in life... Obama arrived to be a public parasite, living off the work of others (community organizer, state legislator, congress member, and now el-presidente). Never had a real job in his life, never had to make payroll, never had to pay taxes, never had to keep an irate customer happy to stay in business. People were forced to do business with him by law, not by choice.
Does it really matter if this loser was born in Hawaii?
Many people are drawing the line at guns, myself included. Try and take them and there will be a war. It's that fucking simple. If you truly value human life you will accept defeat and stand the fuck down.
What the elites clearly know is that there isnt a need to take our guns...They've already shown time and again they can do whatever they want anyway and we wont use them, so why try to take them?
"Calm, logical minded people"
Add that to the list of language of tyrants. Your trolling is nauseatingly transparent. Get a new script-writer.
Your "Calm, logical" people are stupid. Calm, logical people do not trust in the benevolence of government.
I wonder if the NY Times would be as quick to abrogate the first amendment as they are the second? Here is the same article with first amendment rights substituted for every mention of second amendment rights. Slippery slope indeed...
End the Hate Speech Epidemic in America
It is a moral outrage and national disgrace that civilians can legally use words designed to hurt people with brutal speed and effectiveness.
All decent people feel sorrow and righteous fury about the latest maligning of innocents, in Missouri and elsewhere. Law enforcement and intelligence agencies are searching for motivations, including the vital question of how the criticisms might have been connected to various hate groups. That is right and proper.
But motives do not matter to the devastated in Missouri, on the Internet or in far too many other places across America. The attention and anger of Americans should also be directed at the elected leaders whose job is to keep us safe but who place a higher premium on the money and political power of an industry dedicated to profiting from the unfettered use of and access to the media.
It is a moral outrage and a national disgrace that civilians can legally use speech designed specifically to hurt people with devastating speed, effectiveness and efficiency. These are words, unrestrained and deliberately used as tools of macho vigilantism and even insurrection. America’s elected leaders offer outrage for victims and then, callously and without fear of consequence, reject the most basic restrictions on hateful use of free speech. They distract us with arguments about the word freedom. Let’s be clear: Hate speech is in its own way, an act of terrorism.
Opponents of speech control are saying, as they do after every hateful episode, that no law can unfailingly forestall a specific criminal. That is true. They are talking, many with sincerity, about the constitutional challenges to effective speech regulation. Those challenges exist. They point out that determined haters illegally espouse hatred across the world in countries that have strict prohibitions against free speech. Yes, they do.
But at least those countries are trying. The United States is not. Worse, politicians abet would-be haters by supporting mechanisms of free speech for them (the most egregious being the internet) and voters allow those politicians to keep their jobs. It is past time to stop talking about halting the use of hateful speech, and instead to reduce it drastically — eliminating some large categories of speech and thought.
It is not necessary to debate the peculiar wording of the First Amendment. No right is unlimited and immune from reasonable regulation.
Certain words, like those used in Missouri and elsewhere, and certain kinds of organizations, must be outlawed for civilians. It is possible to define those words and phrases in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who use those kinds of words to stop using them up for the good of their fellow citizens.
What better time than during a presidential election to show, at long last, that our nation has retained its sense of decency?
"I wonder if the NY Times would be as quick to abrogate the first amendment as they are the second?"
Well sure they would.
The First is already irrelevant to them, as they are merely mouthpieces of the official line anyhow.
C'mon guys, we have to play our part to usher in the NWO. We gotta catch up to the Europeans, look at how good things have turned out for them! /s
The NWO (whatever that actually means) has nothing to do with it. Without the NWO it still stands that anyone wants or needs to can arm up to suit their own motherfuck'n self. Period. And that there maybe ought to be a requirement for same if simply as a way to save the taxpayers from having to investigate your dead ass after some random home invader ventilates you over your 70" TV.
Serioulsy people, get with the times. "NWO" is like what a 30 year old meme? If it never happens in another 30 years you still gonna let doped up Muzzy ragheads shoot hell out of you at the Mall? Really?
No. No you are not.
Some people think on longer timescales than you.
no, they should start using on the nyt, it's collaborators, sympathizers, commie propressives, parasites and a lot more. and there should be a lot more "assault" rifle holders. time to tear this country a new asshole.
BAHAHAAAA!
how about no.
Dear NYT,
Great idea!
Signed,
Murderers, Rapists, Gang Bangers, & Home Invaders
no, they should start using on the nyt, it's collaborators, sympathizers, commie propressives, parasites and a lot more. and there should be a lot more "assault" rifle holders. time to tear this country a new asshole.
I just want a wall built to separate Canada from the USSA
Well using the logic of moronic islamophobic Americans, I would agree that assault rifles need to be banned because hey, maybe that person who has one is going to be a mass shooter so betetr to make sure they can't do it! That sounds stupid (and it is) but it's the same idiotic "logic" of islamophobes acting like the world's 1+ billion Muslims are going to be terrorists and should be banned from the country or kicked out of the country.
Kudos to the people behind the whole bullshit war on terror, aka operation gladio 2.0. They've done a hell of job getting the moronic sheeple to believe their crap.
It's remakrable how people will believe whatever they are told without any evidence to support it. If a government says something then it must be true because they'd never lie. Oh no, politicians and intelligence agencies are full of honest do gooder Christians who would never lie and don't have an agenda.
No wonder organized religion as a whole has been able to last for centuries. Fucking idiot human beings just buying whatever they are told from someone higher up than them.
It's sad but the movie Idiocracy has nothing on how real life humanity has devolved.
That was the last generations attitude. If the government said it...it must be true. Used to drive me nuts.
I still think something is wrong with this last mass murder. Two people with AR-15's (with special clips that could only be sold to law enforcement) in an unarmed crowd. To me the damage is too minimal. Any amount of training or practice and they should have been able to inflict much more damage than they did.
I am not a conspiracy theorist (usually) but there is something wrong with this whole picture. I can't put my finger on it but something is not right. I have dealt with many many eye witnesses and I know how frustrating that can be so I could care less about eye witnesses. The eye witness accounts should be flushed. If you were law enforcement you would go with the most plausible and forget about the rest.
I expect there will be new information coming out in a few days. It should be a juicer.
Obama was going to save Christmas. He (I seen this on Drudge) was hugging Santa(or???). What the hell happened to that? Why wasn't there something in his speech about it? What made this so special if you recall he goes to Hawaii for Christmas every year so he don't have to deal with it.
Terrorism is a tactic. No one needs to be killed for it to be effective you fucking morons.....
IF they are being banned can I buy one off a compliant citizen? Or maybe 2???
Regulations are so pesky irritating. Why cannot I just swear an oath (lie) saying I will obey (like Congress, Judges, Prezzies, Senate? et al. I mean it is only friggin words you never intend to live up to.)
In Canada the ownership of these toys if mighty pesky.
As a patriotic American (actually a citizen of the sovereign state of Ohio who also happens to be an American citizen), I rushed to my "cache" of AR-15's and checked to see how many of them were actually M16 "assault rifles" (i.e. fully automatic machine guns) with the intent of immediately turning them in to authorities to make sure that I kept other Americans safe. Unfortunately there were none to be found.
Seriously now, the Second Amendment was adopted to make sure that Americans would have the capacity to terminate a tyranical Federal government if/when it led to that. The proof is found by reading the Constitutional Convention debates. The Founding fathers had every intention of making sure that the citizens had equal firepower to anything that the Feds could field so that the citizens could make short work of Obama types and all of the other neocons in that viper pit D.C.
We should eliminate "freedom of the press" first. Set those fascists at the NY Times straight
NYT: the gatekeepers to the crematoria.
See jfpo.org for an alternate take on why you should NEVER give up your guns.
https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/history/the-founding-fathers-on-the-...
Benjamin Franklin
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”
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George Mason, co-author of the Second Amendment
“I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.” – Speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 14, 1778
“That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural and safe defense of a free state; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that, in all cases, the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.” – Virginia Declaration of Rights, June 12, 1776
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Richard Henry Lee, Anti-Federalist
“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves… and include all men capable of bearing arms. . . To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms… The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle.” – Letters From the Federal Farmer to the Republican, Letter XVIII, January 25, 1788
“(W)hereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it.” – Federal Farmer, Anti-Federalist Letter, No.18, The Pennsylvania Gazette, February 20, 1788
“No free government was ever founded, or ever preserved its liberty, without uniting the characters of the citizen and soldier in those destined for the defense of the state…such area well-regulated militia, composed of the freeholders, citizen and husbandman, who take up arms to preserve their property, as individuals, and their rights as freemen.” – Richard Henry Lee, State Gazette (Charleston), September 8, 1788
Samuel Adams
“And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press, or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; or to raise standing armies, unless necessary for the defense of the United States, or of some one or more of them; or to prevent the people from petitioning, in a peaceable and orderly manner, the federal legislature, for a redress of grievances; or to subject the people to unreasonable searches and seizures of their persons, papers or possessions.” – Debates of the Massachusetts Convention of February 6, 1788; Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 1788 (Pierce & Hale, eds., Boston, 1850)
Etc, Etc, Etc
https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/history/the-founding-fathers-on-the-...
Do you see a patern here, to be armed against your own governments standing army if necessary.. TO preserve LIBERTY from your Gov.......
They expected to breed the gun gene out of the American public by now, as part of the effort to indoctrinate people into being Eurosheep.
And then HuffPo went full-retard...
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/8739712?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
Lock & load. Something wicked this way cometh.
Excerpt from your article, Meat:
But if you believe that one can tell which mental patients will resort to mass shootings, and that most of these can be stopped by therapists, there are several bridges in Brooklyn I would like to sell you
Now, where it says "mental patients", just insert "Muslim". Consistency and logic are painful for the Huffpo, aren't they? "Vet" works only for my dog Rex...
So since we cant tell who's sane and who's not, well better to disarm everyone. Is that the HuffPo's implicit argument? The only 100% certifiable nut jobs, bar none, are the power lusters in Washington and the various state houses; that is, the psychopaths who seek dominion over their fellow man.
I'm very glad to have the New York Times be afraid of me and my semi automatic weapons.
If a burglar or NYT employee breaks into my house, I'll shoot either one, then get my wet vac out to keep the blood from spreading to the carpets.
Attention Kmart shoppers there's a Redneck in isle 4
Thats probably the what most New Yorkers think, but here in Texas, its just another cleanup on aisle 4.....
Attention NY Social Services deparment free shit army members: We have a metrosexual mangina ladyboy city dwelling nominally male thing that may act and identify as a female, Right here ^^^^
A thing that cannot understand concepts such as self reliance or self- defense.
A thing that thinks it can use force to tell us how to live. But it is not capable of mustering its own force, it must rely on badgethugs to do its dirtywork.
I have two words for this thing^^^
FUCK YOU.
Sacrifice is the language of tyrants.
GWB, Hussein Obama, etc.
More language of tyrants:
Greater good
Common sense legislation
All experts agree
Election results were a mandate from the people
Rights are not absolute
Best and brightest
The "gun culture"
Academics say...
And much more. Control the language control the argument.
The mass murderers who just left a pile of at least a half million dead civilians in Iraq say you need to turn in your guns because they are terribly worried for peoples safety... Mmmkay
"Yes, not every right is absolute. There are restrictions, but government and active citizenry should work to maximize these rights to their fullest extent"
This is bullshit in a chef's salad. The ability to protect one's self is a natural right and is INALIENABLE. Weapons of any kind are not evil, they are only tools to enable people to protect themselves.
It's pukes like this that make these kind of statements that eventually chip away at our NATURAL rights by giving TPTB a beachhead to take away even more rights. As far as other arguments regarding nuts that mow down a bunch of people, well, that is part of the cost of living on a planet with humans. Some out there are just evil fucks.
Removing the ability for good people to protect themselves will never change this.
Patriots to NYT:
DROP DEAD! (and fuck off)
The 2-3 of you that still have subscriptions to the NY Times need to cancel your subscriptions.
And the rest of us need to find out who the top advertisers are in that anti-American paper, and boycott them. Either support the NY Times' hate speech, or support the Constitution.
Any advertiser that picks NYTimes over the USA should be boycotted.
Saying it like the good fucking communists they are
Fuck the NYT. They don't speak for everyone.
Here's a deal for you, gun-banners...You can ban guns if you'll allow us to ban toxic religious cults. You get an amendment to shred, and we get an amendment to shred. Hey, what's the big deal...aren't all rights subject to periodic review? Guns kill...so do pyscho-psuedo-religious cults.
If the right to bear arms is conditional, then so are all the other rights, INCLUDING the ones YOU like! They are ALL open for discussion then.
So shut the fuck UP about taking away people's right to own guns! If the second amendment can be changed, so can the others...And that means you can take 'Allan's Snack Bar' and shove it up your asses! I have more of a right to bear arms than any of those fuckers have to come here and use arms against me at the behest of their fake god.
The New York Times
LOL
OK sure.
Firstly though.....HIRE AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF NON-LIBERAL WRITERS
Secondly...since that will never happen...FUCK THE FUCK OFF.
Lastly, and most imporantly, how the flying fuck is this asinine, fucked up idea going to solve ANY FUCKING THING?????
Typical Liberal stupid dumb assed idea.........another in a long god damned line....
It is easy when you are on Times Square to think you are the center of the universe. You are not. There is a whole different country beyond the blinding lights of the big screens. Those of us out here really don’t care how you live your life. Nor do we particularly care about what you want. If you do not wish to own an AR or an AK, then by all means do not buy one.
Out here in the hinterlands, beyond the reach of your bright lights, about a third of the population sees what you deem to be assault weapons as the Paladin of their civil liberty. They understand that the purpose of the Second Amendment was to provide the citizens of the United States the means to resist the government of the United States should it go nuts. With that in mind, they will not heed your request to surrender the very weapons they deem necessary for their personal defense.
So, if asking does not achieve your goal, then the next logical step one would assume would be mandatory confiscation. Before you take that step, you should understand that within the whole of the population, there is a significant minority, about three percent, who if put to the test, will resist your efforts of confiscation with deadly force. Should your raids proceed; a few thousand will be taken unawares. Then, if history is any guide, roughly nine million well-armed men and women will swarm your surroundings, interdict your food and water supplies and turn out the lights of your splendid city.
The best way to avoid a civil war is to never start one. Get a grip. You have better odds of getting killed in traffic than being killed by an AR or an AK.
I am sure the NYT does not have armed guards.
I'll be purchasing a AR15 for the good of my fellow citizens.
I remember when this pricey mullet wrapper had their Tee Vee ads on, for their weekend barf-o-matic artsy-fartsy libby buy me push...
some asshat commericals actor spewed...
"The Times has the best (whatever)...AND THERE'S NO DEBATING THAT!"
I wanted to punch that fucker each time he said it....
I will be happy to host everyone who wants to take my guns at my exclusive concentration camp... oh, I mean resort.
He who has the most guns, makes the rules.
The New York Times is a willing tool of the totalitarian police state. They are an enemy of the Constitution, the Republic and the American People. They should voluntarily give up the First Amendment protections of free speech and self-muzzle their fascist tendencies.
Here's my own personal editorial to the New York Time: FUCK YOU AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!
NY Times, brought to you by: Carlos Slim
What part of "…the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." does the New York Times, a willing arm of the sycophantic government media, not understand?
Don’t give them up.
You’ll be woofed in no time if you do.
Whoever said "They hate us for our freedoms." was clearly talking about the "journalists" at the New York Times. And the "Justices" of the US Supreme Court.
Dear NYT,
Come and take it.
My rifle was lost at sea with all my gold coins.
3 things happen every time criminals and terrorist gun down law abiding citizens.
1. The government demonstrates its inability to protect the law abiding citizens.
2. The government calls for the disarmament of the law abiding citizens (in order to protect them).
3. Criminals and terrorist plan the next execution of law abiding citizens so the government will continue with the disarming of their targets.
It's kind of like having Bill O'Really looking out for you. shitttttttt!
https://thinkpatriot.wordpress.com/2015/11/15/for-world-peace-arm-your-n...
Don't stop with enough guns for your family, get your neighbors armed. Shotguns are cheap and relatively safe for neighbors to be pointing in your direction. Armed societies are resistant to disruption.
Our Israeli-Neocons need this country to go crazy so they can institute the Coup, also called 'continuity of government', I believe. Something I read a while back said that some of their people got control of that, because Cheney used in in organizing and running the 9/11 operation.
Anyway, they have to drive the country to rebellion to provide the excuse. That or large-scale ethnic problems. So you folks who hate are helping the Iraeli-Neocons continue their operation to control the world by military force. It won't work, but we are going to hate their attempt.
Guaranteed that is what they are doing, because 9/11 can't be hidden. They knew that. They knew the world would understand very quickly. So 9/11 was an all-or-nothing throw of the dice, and our Israeli-Neocons and the state of Israel live or die by their success. I think they are probably motivated.
Lots of guns.
Good idea.
3 people each carrying a $200.00 12 gauge shotgun, throwing slugs is a team.
In the 1800's a shotgun was the number one weapon for family protection. There is something staring down the barrel of a 12 gauge does to mellow out people.
They feel the juice (both legs).
They are cheap, reliable and you only have to point it in the general direction.
Chuck - You left out the 1900's as well as the 2000's. Many I know swear by a great shotgun.
We should go downtown and peaceable ask people to resign before destruction has to come.
The New York Times is calling for confiscating our weapons and abrogating the Second Amendment to the Constitution. The New York Times is an avid member of the totalitarian police state Government-Media Cabal. Either the fools at the New York Times do not realize that there will be no First Amendment without the Second Amendment or that is exactly what they want. They are inciting war by calling for the destruction of the Constitution. New York City is an extremely soft target with extremely old and unstable infrastructure. How livable will New York City be without electricity and clean water, without garbage collection and without sewage systems? If the New York Times succeeds in inciting Civil War it will be extremely easy to reduce New York City to a dark and uninhabitable wasteland. Maybe that is their ultimate goal.
Fuck you NYT
I think the war should be postponed until we are all fully armed. I'm partial to RPGS. We seem to have people in power that don't have the brains God promised a number 2 Phillips screwdriver. Thomas Jefferson said as patriots we have a duty to dispatch the dead wood.
Thats right...its our DUTY! If we dont we are traitors.
How many helicopter gunships do you own?
"How many helicopter gunships do you own?"
I called this ex-marine guy I know w/your question
He said "Now why would I buy a expensive chopper that needs fuel, parts and maintenance when I can just buy a boatload of surface to air missles you stupid fuck."
That guy "Twitchy", What a character!
A marine calling someone a stupid fuck??
Was he looking in a mirror???
Boycott that communist rag.
Boycott all of the advertisers therein as well. Hit the commies where it hurts!
Get Ad Block! (My blood pressure is almost back to normal!)
It works.
Thanks!!!!!
Fill that rag with holes.
Fuck the NY times and fuck the citizens as well.
Time to get it on in defense of liberty!
so let me get this straight ---they want to enforce a gun ban by using guns?? duh--only gov't sycophants could think that up--
Mark it, this has nothing to do with making people 'safer' it has everything to do with the Bolshevik End Game.
Marvin Harris, one of the world's most noted anthropologists, wrote a book in 1980. This title was previously available as America Now: The Anthropology of a Changing Culture. New York: Simon & Schuster. The new title is Why Nothing Works: The Anthropology of Daily Life 1981.
In the chapter titled: Why There's Terror on the Streets, he demonstrates that American White men have violent crime rates LOWER than English in England and the Japanese in Japan. So why does America have such a high level of violent crime? Dr Harris puts it quite plainly: Blacks and Hispanics. That's the story. He also pointed out that the average gun owner is a middle-aged, middle class White guy.
There are so many cases of Immigrant Mass Murder syndrome but they get virtually NO national coverage. Colin Ferguson was either an illegal or a legal immigrant from Jamaica he shot and killed several people on the Long Island Railroad, it was RACIAL HATE but the government didn't say it was... the Black Muslim snipers one of them was an illegal immigrant from the Caribbean.
Virginia Tech Massacre: Gun Control—Or Immigration Control? Peter Brimelow (Former Executive Editor Forbes magazine) April 18, 2007
The Oregon Shooting Immigrant Murder, Disgruntled Minority Massacre, Christophobia—Or Memory Hole Peter Brimelow (Former Executive Editor Forbes magazine) October 2, 2015
Ann Coulter On Mass Shootings: The Problem Isn’t Guns Or White Men
THEY want American Whites DISARMED so that THEY can do to Whites what they did to the Czar and his family and TWENTY MILLION White Russians according to Khrushchev. These are BOLSHEVIKS in power in the USSA.
I think it behooves each and every single one of us, AND OUR FAMILIES, to join the NRA.
http://www.nrahq.org/
Because the Bolsheviks are prepared to do their WORST and believe me, that is TOO TERRIBLE to contemplate.
Americans never give up your guns By Stanislav Mishin
To understand how this happened to America, Europe and Australia it is all explained here:
Review of 'The Culture of Critique'
Preface to the First Paperback Edition PDF
Preface to the First Paperback Edition HTML
Join the NRA, get on their mailing list, wait for the knock on the door in the middle of the night.
Join the NRA, and be regularly and constantly harrassed via phone solicitation when you cancel your membershit because they totally ignored Ron Paul in 2008.
Still receiving occasional calls 7 years later.
To hell with the NRA. Bunch of cuckholds.
NYT can go fuck themselves. Molon labe, dipshits
What fucking fag wrote this?
No disrespect to REAL fags that suck dick and actually perform a worthwhile service.
OK, but send the politicians around personally to gather them up.
If ARs and "right wingers" were as dangerous as the hard left and weak "moderates" believed, we'd see a San Bernadino every day in every state. Instead, official statistics show that these weapons and those pesky "right wingers" make up statistically insignificant numbers of violent crime.
Which means all the rhetoric has another agenda IMO.
It's fuckin hilarious that all this mass murder occurs in locations with the most stringent anti-gun laws.
NYT fuck off, civil war is coming bitches.
I don't know if I'm echoing previous comments in this discussion, but are not all weapons "ASSAULT" weapons?
I smell some bullshit and it reeks of the anointed PTB's dying breath.
Jesus, what effing asshole is afraid of an inanimate object.
Yea, Tennis racquets..... gotta ban them all.
Cars too.
Maybe toasters..... I've been giving my toaster the big fukken fish eye lately when I walk through my kitchen.
We won't even get into my ice cube tray.
New York City should be completely cutoff from all electricity supplies because their demands for totalitarian police state policies are a clear and present danger to the Constitution, the Republic and the American People.
Ironically, they're all a-tizzy over a power outage @ their nearest nuker, Indian Point. Karma!
Yep. Cut power, blow the bridges and tunnels onto the island and voila!
Then we call in Snake Pliskin.
"Peculiar wording" seems pretty clear cut to me. Keep and bear, right? Pretty peculiar.
The spineless, ball-less girly-men at the New York Times are delusional in thinking that any Real Americans are going to give up their assault weapons, or any guns, without fighting.
As originally defined a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) was an atomic bomb or thermonuclear warhead with explosive strength measured in the ton of trinitrotoluene (TNT) equivalent. Now thanks to the police state organs of the Federal government a weapon of mass destruction is a pipe bomb containing a few ounces of gunpowder. By the same means, someday soon every gun will be defined as an assault weapon by the Federal government. Hence a ban on assault weapons will mean a complete ban on all guns, thereby totally destroying not only the Second Amendment but the entire Constitution, too. By redefining language the Federal government will criminalize anything they desire to further the power of the totalitarian police state.
Dear New York Times, suck my dick.
I promise that if I ever snap and go on a killing spree it will be while visiting the New York Times executive editorial board meeting.
I further promise that I will not use a firearm as to not cause another national histeria.
Instead the weapon of choice will be a vintage travel typewriter. It would be a poetic justice if they were all to parish because their heads were bashed in with their classic weapon of choice.
Maybe few will also be dispatched with an #2 pencil or fountain pen in the neck.
However because unlike the NYT editors, I am a completely rational and sane individual the above scenario has a lower chance of occurring than the NYT doing a honest investigation into Obama's background and reporting its results
In other words they can sleep soundly at night. It will never happen.
Assault Rifles, without the proper license, are illegal. I have a Sporting Rifle. I think I'll keep it. Feel free to go Fuck Yourself NYT's
The progressive left just wants to feel safe when they decide who gets to live and who gets to die, based on the results of their ideology tests. They can't have that if some people haven't given up their AR-15s, now can they?
Listen up gun grabbers. YOU WILL NEVER TAKE MY GUNS. I have studied history enough to know that what follows a gun grab is a genocide, with a >.5 probability.
If your US.gov cartel 'passes' some unlawful bullshit, I will resist it. In that scenario, you better stand by.
Out.
The NYT is a laughingstock.
The historical reality of the Second Amendment’s protection of the right to keep and bear arms is not that it protects the right to shoot deer. It protects the right to shoot tyrants, and it protects the right to shoot at them effectively, with the same instruments they would use upon us. And make no mistake, there was a reason why the "right to keep and bear arms" amendment is Second, only after the right to tell their Government to go to hell, the First. --Judge Andrew Napolitano
Never owned a gun, wasn't raised around them. Will go shopping for one this week and once I buy it will go to a range and train with it. Bet there are a million like me.
And millions more like me, who was raised around them and taught to use them safely as a little boy, by a father who grew up around them. taught by his father how to use them safely as a little boy, who grew up around them, who was taught by...
all the way back to that first guy with my surname fulfilling his indentured servitude contract (paid for his passage over here) in 1780. I found his grave in Missouri, He lived to be 84 and had 11 kids.
I don't think he would;ve lived that long without access to firearms in that environment. If he hadn't I wouldn't be here.
Millions of us out here man.
Why not start a new tradition, where you're that father teaching his son?
Uppie. Good on you.
Let me be the first, upon completion of your training, to welcome you to the resistance.
No right is unlimited and immune from reasonable regulation.
Eat a bag of my feces, you arrogant New York City shitstain.
Blowhard, college progrmmed, TV swallowing Liberals think only police and military should have high powered rifles.
Perhaps they'd think differently if they were carjacked by feral negroes.
New York is a smug skyscraper people ass pimple. I'm sure there are some actual humans there, but the sanctimonious drivel that comes out of that goddamned place is only bested by the cluelessnes of San Francisco, wrist flapping faggotry.
Reality is dirt. Concrete and glass and champagne flutes is the world of isolated, pompous fuckheels.
Your shitty Hebe city needs about 850,000 Ted Nugents.
damn _SILENCER, you took the words right out of my mouth.:) greened ya though.............
I agree that guns should be kept out of the hands of people without the wit and impulse control to properly handle them.
Post-reconstruction, Southern governments made it an offense for blacks to carry guns, to prevent them from settling scores with Confederate veterans, raping white women at gunpoint, and engaging in organized terrorist activity against whites. White militias were organized to ensure the gun laws were strictly enforced. And they worked. Disarming blacks kept them well-behaved for many decades.
Something similar would work well even today. A Muslim crazy enough to try to stab a Christian in broad daylight "for Syria" ought to be able to expect to be shot dead on the spot. In Israel, that's exactly what would happen.
NUTS!!!!!!!!!
The only thing the NYT gets right is that it always gets it wrong.
No Kidding. People with bullshit ideas should shove them up their asses for the good of their fellow citizens.
The Bolshevik ZIonists who own the NYT, as well as Obama and most of the other US Politicians, as well as Wall Street, 96% of Hollywood, MSM, etc, etc., are in a panic. They know that the ONLY thing that stands between them and full control of the masses are GUNS. Disarming the Law Abiding Citizens of America is their ultimate, primary goal.
Gun control is in truth defined by Jews as “goyim control.”
I've been getting my fiber lately.
Where is the 2-ply flushable version of this article?
Americans with assault rifles should be taking arms against their government, I thought that was what the constitutioin said was the reason for bearing arms in the first place. But nope, nothing happens.
Well you thought wrong. Tell me where the US Constitution says anything about citizens taking arms up against it's government. Show me.
You would assume, from the framers of the constitution's point of vew, and their experience, that the second most important ammendment, placing guns in the hands of a well armed private militia- not to combat fellow citizens, but as a protection from a tyranical government, much like the one we now have.
Try reading the Declaration of Independence.
For the Founding Fathers, you could not back your natural right to free speech and political organization without arms. There is a specific order to the Bill of Rights (Government Limitations) for this very reason.
Unfortunately I feel that the US is headed back in that direction, once the producers try to shrug off the consumers once and for all. And by consumers, I'm referring to the liberal progressives who would consume anything and everything that would further their agenda of total control of the population. Confiscation by taxation or other means. Don't think it can't happen here, eventually it will. Obama moved us more "forward" than anyone since FDR.
I have lived in the Upper Midwest for my entire 41 years and I have never seen a New York Times rag for sale save for maybe at an airport. I have never seen one in Northern Iowa, Northern Wisconsin, Minnesota, North Dakota, Montana, or Idaho. I have never seen anyone walking around this part of the US with an east coast paper much less reading a New York Times rag. No one reads that shit here save for a few online clicks perhaps. We just don't care. We have our own liberals here who have their own agendas but none of that is the same as what New York says we should do. New York can fuck off.
We do need our guns, whatever class they may be. This is not Manhattan out here. You are on your own and your cell phone won't work.
Brilliantly stated!
Plans to enact real gun control are.hard to enact without a terrible disturbance in the force. Reason is there's alot of dumbfucks out there break-in in everywhere to get heroin money. OK so the solemn faced dishit in chief wants to enact some restrictions on gun sales. Ownership really. So the stolen gun the heroin addict finds when he is in your house while you are at the movies goes up in value so guess who gets the stolen guns? The dealer who can arm his gang members at the same time the gun owners are being reduced. This makes everyone in the war zones we call cities nervous and they ain't having this shit. Let alone mom and pop in suburbia out to the ranchlands so forget about voters rewarding politicians for disarming folks.
Do you live in a state that does not allow assault weapons or you are having trouble getting a gun just go to YOUTUBE and type in "ghost guns" and you can find a legal way to purchase any assault weapon LEGALLY and without a serial number to identify the gun.
There is nothing 'liberal' about the media-it is all owned by rich, right wing Jews-Conservatives-our current MASTERS-the ruling elite that want to take our guns.....
Well,
I don't feel like giving up my means of self protection to people with suspicious motivations. It wouldn't be prudent.
But I might be persuaded, with the right motivation, to part with some ammunition...at least the projectile part.
The propaganda narrative is that white rednecks are responsible for violent crime. That poor non-city whites are knuckle dragging inbred gorillas with IQ's in the sub-90 range.
The reality is that the inbred knuckle draggers are committing a disproportionate amout of violent crime with firearms (Chicongo for example), their average IQ is sub 85, most of them receive government assistance too.
But the crucial point is that the real knuckledraggers live right in the middle of most of these urban utopias and their own media denies it. And continues to propagandize the ignorant hive dwellers that whites are the danger.
Whites can be extremely dangerous once riled. We, the redneck gun owning nation stretching from Maine to Idaho, from Florida to Arizona and from Louisiana to Michigan (and all points in between), haven't done shit. Yet.
When we do, there will be no mistaking us for the dindus, drugs gangs, or any other sort.
When we go on the warpath there will be no mercy, no surrender, and total victory. We grow tired of your baseless threats. We grow bored of your constant whining.
That's my story.
NYT? Are you ready to get it on?
Embed your crack reporters in the confiscation teams.
So your hivemates can see what happens when white men decide its time to stop playing by nice. We won't be singing Kum-ba-Yah.
If I had an assaut rifle I would give it up because I'm not licensed to have one. Mine's a Sporting Rifle. I'm keeping it.
"Yes, not every right is absolute. There are restrictions, but government and active citizenry should work to maximize these rights to their fullest extent."
What about a right to life?
If we cannot agree that we all have a right to live, barring a specific and personal action to surrender it, then we have nothing to discuss.
Yet if the right to live is absolute, then how can the right to protect that life against agressors not also be absolute?
But if that is so, then rights are absolute - by definition.
And if you assert that a right to life is not absolute, then you are asserting that some people's lives are the property of other people, to be used at their discretion and disposed of at will.
Gun control and the 2nd Amendment. Those who favor the 2nd Amendment are making a massive mistake. They are defending the 2nd Amendment when they only way to defend the Amendment is to attack those who favor gun control.
The worst thing you can do to the MSM is overturn NYT v. Sullivan and allow anyone who a newspaper or media prints a lie about to sue for lots of money with damages presumed if it was intentional. Most of the newspapers would be out of business that week because of the lies they are allowed to print today.
The next worse thing you can do is pass an admendment that does not allow anyone on welfare to vote unless and until they reimburse the government for the monies expended.
The next worse thing you can do is term limits, no administrative regulations are valid until passed by Congress, and a balanced budget amendment.
The next worse thing you can do it pass an Amendment that requires State appointment of Senators and an amendment to allow popular vote to impeach Supreme Court Justices and federal judges (in the districts where they sit).
The Second Amendment argument to ban is amazing in that the same faction supports the rights of criminals over law abiding citizens, and they support the fact that the police have no duty to protect and defend you and yet those who defend the Amendment are not willing to destroy the base of people that are willing to literally exterminate those who want life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
WAKE THE F*** UP YOU MORONS AND START AN ORGANIZED CAMPAIGN TO PUT THESE PEOPLE OUT OF BUSINESS AND KEEP THEM BUSY SO THEY DON'T HAVE ANY TIME TO ATTACK THE 2ND.
The only valid strategy to defend the 2nd is to attack them where it really hurts. No voting for welfare recipients alone would remove 60% of the elected officials who continually attack the 2nd Amendment. THINK ABOUT IT AND DO IT.