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"Trump Voters Are Not Just Angry - They Want Revenge"
Authored by Frank Lutz, originally posted at The FT,
Outraged by what Donald Trump says? You are not alone. No high-polling presidential candidate in the modern era has so intrepidly drawn the ire of so many within the American electorate. And there remains no end in sight.
Yet in rendering one voting bloc utterly apoplectic, he has appealed viscerally to another. The balance of middle ground politics is not, shall we say, Mr Trump’s bailiwick. But America is no longer a middle ground country. We are already scared by our division — and it is getting worse.
The simple truth is, the more provocative his language, the deeper and more passionate his support. He is no dummy; there is a method to his proverbial madness. Mr Trump says — to the growing legions who will listen — what tens of millions of Americans are already thinking. Respect or revile him, the man has hit a vein.
I spent three hours in a deep dialogue focus group with 29 Trump supporters. The phenomenon of “The Donald” is rooted in a psyche far deeper and more consequential than next November’s presidential election. His support denotes an abiding distrust in — and disrespect for — the governing elite. These individuals do not like being told by Washington or Wall Street what is best for them, do not like the direction America is headed in, and disdain President Barack Obama and his (perceived) circle of self-righteous, tone-deaf governing partisans.
Trump voters are not just angry — they want revenge.
Mr Trump has adroitly filled the vacuum of vitriol, establishing himself as the bold, brash, take-no-prisoners megaphone for the frustrated masses. They see him as the antidote to all that Mr Obama has made wrong with America. So to understand why millions love Mr Trump so much, you have to take a step back and listen to why they hate Mr Obama so much.
Here, my Trump voter focus group was particularly illuminating. Some still believe the president is not Christian. Many believe he does not love America. And just about all of them think he does not reflect the values the country was built upon. Indeed, within this growing faction, Mr Trump has licence to say just about anything. As we have seen repeatedly, the more outrageous the accusation, the more receptive the ear.
Mr Trump delights in unleashing harsh attacks on Jeb Bush, the Republican establishment and the “mainstream media”. His childlike joy in ridiculing his critics is tantamount to healing balm for the millions who have felt silenced, ignored and even scorned by the governing and media elite for so long. Is it any wonder that his declaration of war against “political correctness” is his most potent and predictable applause line?
Straight-talking candidates are nothing new in American politics. From Ross Perot in 1992 to John McCain in 2000, from Howard Dean in 2004 to Sarah Palin in 2008, they rise like a rocket on the fuel of their seemingly fresh and unencumbered aversion to traditional politics. They purport to say what they mean and mean what they say — bucking established electoral trends and ruffling established political feathers. Then they crash. The media turn sour. The message grows stale. The electorate gets bored.
Mr Trump is different. The media attacks on him have been fast and furious. Yet he has defied electoral gravity because the blows are delivered by an institution that is distrusted and an elite political and business establishment that is detested.
Meanwhile, voters consistently tell pollsters like me that negative attacks do not work; they hate the ad hominem assaults. Mr Trump? He dines out on them. As his devotees see it, it is not Mr Trump going negative. It is him telling the truth. And when he fights back, he’s throwing punches on their behalf. He said something outrageous? “He’s simply raising an important issue nobody else has the courage to talk about.” He insulted someone? “That’s just him campaigning. He won’t do that as president.” He changed his position? “That was a long time ago. Everyone’s entitled to change their mind.” He doesn’t have many policy specifics? “He doesn’t need them. He’ll surround himself with smart people.” They will justify any action, explain away any contradiction, and dismiss any criticism because they are so personally and passionately invested in him.
And here is the prediction that will furrow brows on both sides of the Atlantic. Mr Trump’s supporters today will be Mr Trump’s supporters next November if he is still a candidate — no matter what party banner he runs under. Half will follow him out of the Republican Party if he breaks his promise and declares as an independent. For better or worse, his supporters will follow him to the ends of the Earth — or to the White House. Whichever comes first.
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Watching George Stephanopolous try to grill Trump (the other day) while slipping shitty liberal prick comments at the end of his editorial/questioning made me want to reach through the fucking YouTube, cut his fucking midget throat and pull his midget brain out of his skull.
Watch your back George. We are coming for you too.
Georege and Charlie Rose are both morning Queens right now. Soon they'll be hosting Jerry Springer show if offered enough $$$$.
Hate to break the news to you but Trump's daughter is jewish and so are alot of his friends and advisors like the gambling mogul, Steve Wynn. Also, if the 'jewmedia' is so jewish, why do you suppose they're so anti-Israel? Is it because you're a moron?
Why would someone give a fuck about the US presidential run-ups?
It is fake in any case, scripted and delivered by the best actor who does not give shit afterwards in any case.
But...every population gets the leaders it deserves.
I hope he is genuine and changes politics in the US forever. If however, he runs 3rd party and gets Hitlery elected, it will be the bigest ruse ever and the US electoral will be back in chains.
That's where hubby and I draw the line and head elsewhere.
First: Trump told the Republican Party that he will not run as an independent. Trump was probability told that he will get a cabinet position by supporting whoever wins the Republican nomination.
Second: If you haven’t realized it by now, Trump is a fox. Only cares about Trump.
Third: The swing vote/swing states decides election. Trump will be lucky to get 5% of their vote.
Trump only cares about Trump? Now that I understand, unlike all the proggies' feigned concern for their fellow man, using my pocketbook to pay for their peace of mind.
Don't’ shoot the messenger. I was replying to a statement by:
Doña K I hope he is genuine and changes politics in the US…. If he runs 3rd party
Anyway, are you trying to insinuate naiveté?
Because it can’t be from my side.
My point was similar to the argument that pro wrestling remains the only honest sport left in 'merica. Of course the Trumpet's main concern is Trump. No box of chocolates in that regard, unlike what's kept concealed by the pre-paid statists on both sides now fighting over the bouquet.
A cabinet position?! Who the fuck do you think Trump is? Why would he want a CABINET POSITION? You're an idiot.
Ohh boy! You, and many here might connect with Trump. However, US is a nation of over 300 million people. For most Americans as well as the Republican party, Trump is a cancer.
And if Trumps gets the Republican nomination you’ll see what I mean.
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2015/09/us-will-reach-400-million-private.html
300 million people with 400 million guns by may 2016. To quote the Tom Cruise character Sean from Taps-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppMQ2Jvekfg
Progressivism is the cancer of both parties.
lets list the 2016 swing states Oh, FL, Co, Nev, IA, PA, Wi, IA, NC.
My bet is trump easily wins IA, WI, NC.....
Hitlery gets CO, Nev (I already give her Va).
Race comes down to FL, and Ohio again.
Pa is in play this time, and it depends on the FSA turnout or the FSA vote counters.
I wouldnt be surprised to see trump win the Popular vote big, but loose a very close electoral college.
I see where you're going with that Dona K - and I agree with your analysis.
Either Trump wins Office - in which case he'll crush all opposition and turn it into a Throne, changing America forever....or....
Hitlery wins Office - in which case she'll crush all opposition on behalf of the Fed and turn it into THEIR Throne.
The Minutemen may or may not rise in this case - either way, if the bitch wins then it's time to either fight or flee - America is out of time.
Really, well in that case I deserve Jefferson with a side of Franklin well mixed with a Coolidge with a course of Bastiat, but I will settle for doing vicious deep lasting damage to the deep state, mic and education bureaucracy.
Term one anyway after that start dumping entire programs, Energy, Education, all departments except the armed forces divested of all swat type armaments. Dept of Educations SWAT team fired, drummed out of .gov, Arne Duncan arrested for starters..
>>>I am more amazed that there are people other than the free shit army who are cool with the way things are going.
Just as in the First Great Depression, if you have a steady source of income, things are great, even now.
Between the FSA, the swarms of government "workers", and the various protected industries (e.g. "healthcare"), plenty of Murcans are living kick-ass lives.
But for many, the guilt gnaws at their guts and turns them old, creepy and sedated before their time. What a great way to live. Not.
I ran into my Air Cavalry friend yesterday. I was pulling up to the curb, parking my truck. He was on his motorcycle coming down the road in the opposite direction. He stopped in the middle of the traffic and yelled over to me "Look where you are parking." I look up at the sterile, glass and steel store front and see Amway. He booms out in his big voice "Am Way. American Way. Fuck 'em!" And throws his hands out with middle fingers extended. Then a big grin, a "Happy New Year" and he was gone.
Anything that shakes up the established political order is just fine with me. What this country needs are statesmen with moral values and an understanding of how to dismantle the abominable legal system that is diametrically opposed to the American Constitution.
On the other hand, be careful what you wish for. It is unlikely Trump could make any headway in turning this behemoth ship around. He might be heart attacked or plane crashed, or "lone" wolf assassinated, or... even before election day.
"On the other hand, be careful what you wish for. It is unlikely Trump could make any headway in turning this behemoth ship around. He might be heart attacked or plane crashed, or "lone" wolf assassinated, or... even before election day."
Which makes his choice for VPOTUS Trump's first test as to what kind of pres. he likely will make. Suggestions for running mate welcomed. I hear Buzz Aldrin's available.
David Duke for VP--- will make the Donald assassination proof
Remember when Trump went after O's birth certificate?
O issued an proveable forgery (a felony) and the controlled press dumped on Trump without letup.
I believe that The Donald has all the skinny to prove that O is not a legitimate citizen and the only way that this can be remedied is for The Donald to become president; to blow the whistle on this fake president and with one finding & one executive order cancel the entire O presidency. How's that for revenge?
It's no wonder the "powers" are crapping in their pants.
Revenge is best served cold.
That's cool about obummer's fake bc, but where does Trump hide "the skinny" on who brought down the Twin Towers?
a few days after issuing the digitized forgery, bath house needed to change the subject and fast - so he had tim osman die (again)
USA(ma)! USA(ma)! USA(ma)!
And the Arizona sheriff took a case to court on some standing or another. And after, I don't know, a year or more, enough time to let it die out in the publics collective psyche, the defense rested with the argument - Yeah, it's fake. So what? And the judge threw the case out..
IMHO you have read Trump wrong - he's not a Libertarian at all. He'll be a demogogue. He might very well restore a lot of your cultural freedoms - but the price he'll charge will be the end of the Republic.
Caesar was a bald, rich prick that turned to politics too - food for thought.
Then again, since the Minutemen are out having beers, I take benevolent dictatorship (Trump) over malevolent dictatorship (Hitlery). I believe those are the actual choices.
Trump is a stalking horse and Judas goat at the same time. He's a close friend of the Clintons and has donated generously to their foundation.That right there is a HUGE flag. Don't be stupid, people.
Rand IS the MAN. The only noncorrupt candidate that serves OUR interests
I can't believe you fools could be suckered in to voting for Trump. What dumbasses you will feel after he shuts down a few liberties like he has already promised.
Say what you will about Trump but Rand Paul endorsed Mitt Romeny instead of his father.
Sounds like your head is up your ass on Paul.
Right you are about Paul. He is much more of a politician than his unyielding principled father. None the less he has taken some meaningful out front action that his colleagues would never voice. I have a feeling Trump knows little about the Constitution and Paul Knows quite a bit.
Rand Paul only endorsed Romney after his father dropped out of the primary.
Ron Paul was blackballed by the GOP and MSM while leading in fund raising and near the top of the polls and his son never endorsed him before endorsing Romney.
Rand tried to cozy up to the establishment.
People thought a deal was made after he endorssed Romeny that Rand would be 2016 nominee.
Uh they lied.
Trump may be self-obsessed - but at least he can't be bought. Rand can, and will if he hasn't been already.
Trump may very well save America - but he'll do it to turn it into his toy - His America.
No-one else has a snow ball's chance in hell.
Rand is just an actor. Trump has a shot at becoming a Prince, like Putin. Enough said.
They want to drive the treason from govt. Demcript and Rebloodlicans a like, That would end the Joo occupation and the Muslim and the Colonial Aholes forever!
Well...from what I see, the CIA has played the sheeple quite well. First, they sow distrust in the MSM, then they put up this anti-establishment candidate that is not who he pretends to be. He messes up the run by putting a serious candidate (Rand) out on the fringe. This is accomplished by using the MSM and their fake polls in order to herd the sheeples' thoughts.
Same ole same ole every electiion cycle.
Ditto! (And although I normally never comment on anything with Frank Lutz's name attached, I cannot pass this up!)
I'll be voting -- most likely -- for either Dr. Jill Stein or Bernie, but, let's be realistic.
There are large numbers of people throughout the country who are protesting that "Black Lives Matter" and then will probably vote for private prison loving, private prison supporting, Hillary Clinton!
Others will continue to support both R-con and faux crats who have offshored as many American jobs away as possible, while repeating their bullcrap mantras:
"Those jobs are gone and they are never coming back." (Hint to the Clintons and Obama --- if the only thing you are good for is repeating this bullcrap, get the fuck outta town!)
Others ignore what is in their best interests, and should "diversity, diversity"!
Seen all that much diversity in killings, lately?
Yup, they can claim others are also responsible for mass murders, but simple arithmetic yields who is responsible for the greatest number of innocents killed: in America, in Africa, in Europe, in the Middle East and Asia.
Yup, Sunnis have served in the armed forces of America, and in case anyone hasn't been keeping track, I've read of at least 13 various killings involving their "belief system" in the military, including that one in Ft. Hood awhile back.
So, am I interested in any crooked politician who is allied with the head-choppers of Saudi Arabia in the Oval Office?
HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If they want our confidence, it is high time they released those 28-redacted pages from the 9/11 Commission, those pp. telling what Saudis were responsible (and also maybe what Americans) for 9/11!
Time to put up or STFU, crooked, sleazy pols.
Don't waste your vote on Bernie -- vote for Trump only because he's the ultimate outsider candidate. How fun can this be?
Don't vote for warmonger, authoritarian, socialist, Hitlery personal friend Bernie and Trump is not the the ultimate outsider candidate. He is the circus show to take your eye off the ball.
Well so much for our Affirmative Action Fiasco Peter Principal President....and that's just for starters.
Ditto.
And Lutz..Fuck you to hell and to it's deepest depths. You'rd just another propagansit for the machine.
I'm hoping you meet you're own nailgun accident.
Eat shit and die.
God dammit, spastic fingers are a pain in the ass.
What's the worst he could Do ? Fuck up America ?
A liitle late for that shit. The last 4 fuckheads (at least) took care of that.
It takes far more than 4 Presidents to create our national debacle. This was a slow but steadily engineered process of at least 100 years in the making. Every one is focused on the front attention getter and knows little about the process used to capture this country. In order to make significant change, first the public must be interested in the mechanisms used before the machine can be disabled. Just smashing a bit of the machinery wont stop it from being restored. First you have to be willing to sacrifice some of your time and comfort.
More like two centuries in the making; it started with Washington and his Federalist appointees to the Cabinet and Supreme Court. It really became obvious during the tenure of John Adams, which Thomas Jefferson called a "Reign of Witches." The public revolt that followed has been called the Revolution of 1800. Time for another nonviolent revolt, for which we now have proper technology: crypto currency and the Internet. Market decisions can be more powerful than casting election ballots!
I would argue that the seminal event that started the ultimate destruction of the United States ( won't celebrate a 300 Year Anniversary) is ironically the event that would have done it sooner. The Civil War destroyed the United States because it subverted the 10th amendment to an Anti-Federalist government that forever destroyed the balance of power between Washington and the States and allowed the emergence of a centralized government intent on ultimately removing all liberties. Had the southern states been granted their right to leave the union who knows what may have happened. Ultimately Slavery would have lost out but the liberties of all citizens (both Union and Confederate) might have been preserved by 2 distinct countries both founded on the Constitution and Bill of Rights
The Northern War on Private Property was only conducted to expand and modernize the franchise on slavery, not to eliminate it.
Disclaimer - Yes, yes, I know: people are not property. Please direct all your complaints to the IRS.
lincoln wrote:"“I have two great enemies, the Southern army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. And of the two, the bankers are my greatest foe.”
he had an impossible choice, and didn't live long enought to restore the republic the civil war buried.
if the south had indeed left, we would all have the queen on our money today. no thanks.
No choices are impossible. For all the derision that Lincoln supposedly held for bankers, he reset the stage for its worst practices, culminating in permanent centralized banking. The FRN is superior to her majesty's confetti in what sense? Apologia for Lincoln, no thanks.
Well, I don't really like him but he's better then any of the dynasties that claim to have the devine born right to rule.
I was just watching a docu about the Romanovs in Russia and how they suppressed the people while they actually tought they where doing the right thing. And if they did something the Tsar didn't like, they just got killed.
That is why dynasties are a pest on this world.
And the best thing Trump could do is to get all those former fuckers in front of an open court. Not that there's a big chance of that but it would be wonderfull.
Sudden Debt, re. "He could get all those former fuckers ..." This is the Disneyland, "Mr Smith Goes to Washington" version of America. It does not exist. It is a facade to sell death from above while "we" steal your stuff. Merry Christmas.
No, definitely not the worse he could do.
MSM could not help Trump more if they tried. Trump covered up 9/11 FF with more lies, and nobody thought to call him on it either.
Do you think these things could be somehow connected?
Yes, the worse thing Trump could do is help with the coverup of 9/11 FF, and prevent us from getting out country back from the power of the Israeli-Neocons who currently control it.
Then we hang them.
I hate to clue you in, but the Christian-Neocons undoubtedly outnumber the Israli-Neocons by multiples. Greed and power are not restricted in appealing to all. The sooner you stop using the convenient Jewish scapegoat you will be able to focus on all the principle actors no matter what their personal background.
I prefer the term Zionist Neocons to describe the evil warmongering psychopaths.
And AIPAC practically runs the US State Dept. and Jews have virtually dominated the Federal Reserve and Wall Street banks so I'm not sure where your going with the "Jewish scapegoat" thing.
Maybe but we know where you are going, Adolph.
Self-parody ZioNazi. Get someone to look at what's left of the foot you just shot off.
This is the 3rd article that I scored and not one has been close to accurate---both neg. and pos. you are really risking your credibiliity. 5 1/2 years is about going down the drain. I have noticed it for some time Milestones
What are you talking about? Care to debate the facts or just talk crap? What is not accurate about my comment?
Forbidden words about the state of Zionist control. See Voltaire for further reading.
At least he is white and won't back groups who want to kill us and steal
our property.
Put a "weathervane" on that pate of his!...
Should be changing direction to these coordinates 32.0667° N, 34.8000° E here very soon after "Uncle Sheldy" gives him his pep talk!
What does Obama's cock taste like?
OK, I give up. Tell me
The Donald better have a legion of food tasters, car starters, bodyguards and stay away from precipisses.
Yeah, if. But in this case, no. No nesecito.
"The Donald better have a legion of food tasters, car starters, bodyguards and stay away from precipisses."
...and assassins so he doesn't just have to take the shit, but deal it out too.
Didn't realize that there were so many Netanyahu and "Larry Silverstein" fans!!!
sign the petition Donald and tell the World that you will be the "rock" to ensure that your Country will never commit treason and war crimes like we have since it happened and ALL will fall into place with no trace of doubts about your integrity!
Until then?...
Doesn't anyone get it? Obama and his Progressive Commie leftist buddies HATE America and are out to destroy it!
And Progressive globalist bastards in the Republican Party are going along for the ride (i.e. Ryan, McCain, Graham, and dozens others).
So the vitriol and hate by the American People is because they know that their nation is being undermined and taken down from within. If Americans would grow up and stop being afraid of their Police State-enforced government, they would all stop paying taxes and/or take up arms and march on Washington and end this charade.
So Trump finally presents Americans with a voice that defends Americans for being Americans. He SPEAKS FOR US, when no one else will!
And this is coming from a Constitutional Conservative. I will be voting for Trump. Take that you RINO bastards.
Trump isn't going to save this country. It's already lost. Why get worked up about these false solutions? Trump and Hillary are both douche bags who will effectively divide the country for the elites to conquer. And the band played on.
Look here, fool. You don't get it, do you? If there's another Hillary or another Progressive in the White House, and this bullshit doesn't get turned around, and QUICK, then there WILL be a new war--right here at home.
Americans are too damn fed up, and we have LOTS and LOTS of guns. Period.
DID I STUTTER?
Then they will legalize weed to make more prison space. What's a gun against a drone with a 500-pound bomb?
As if a different president in going to make one iota of a difference.
Nothing will change...
People need hope even when they know the system is beyond fixing. Let them have their fun with Trump, at least he's making things entertaining.
haha i agree. We are passed the point of no return here. I know this phrase gets overused, but this really is rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic after it hits the iceberg.
But I think most of the trump fans on here realize that he isn't actually going to "make america great again" or any of that nonsense, and many no doubt realize this situation isn't savable anymore, we will hae to go through some form of debt collapse and start over. They are just pissed off and like watching trump piss off many of the people who caused this mess and who they view as complicent in the fraud(like the media). Thats all this is, and I understand it. Im not going to go vote for him, or at all, but its understandable. Its mostly people venting, IMO. If trump helps them do that, I say rock on. I certainly can relate to their frustrations.
Dummy. You don't go after the drone. You go after the controllers of the drone. What, do I have to teach you everything?
Think of it more like 100's of millions of guns vs a few thousand drones. Guns are cheaper and more accurate and can be anywhere and everywhere. War is always about money...
To modernize the old saying: Spread out men, one drone'll get y'all.
Ask Ho Chi Minh or General Giap that question ( of course they are dead but you gte my point)
Deep thinker this one... Ok Chief, off to bed...
"What's a gun against a drone with a 500-pound bomb?"
Answer: not much.
Question: What's a few hundred drones with 500-pound bombs vs 300 million frothing at the mouth, firearm toting patriots?
I'd rather see this M****r F****r burned down than to go through another cycle of change or change light like we have been through. Like was said above, whats he going to do, fuck it up?
The war is inevitable.
When has there been a progressive in the White House???
The problem is that the Deep State actually runs things and the masses go along with it because it offers them up the most goodies for the least amount of effort. So, they whine bitch and complain but will never, ever do anything to change their situation. Government, like markets, is just another rigged racket.
Oh, the pieces of shit are trying to take the guns as well:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/4269/text
When it is time for their comeuppance, use a .22 handgun preferably with a shot barrel, start at the ankles, work your way up, and take your time reloading.
Sure they are how timely... Just in time for the Republicans to step in and save us... Drum up the base support against those evil Demonrats out to get the guns... Republicans hate your guns worse than Demonrats WAKE UP!!
yep. they caved completely on the budget deal. people are pissed because they approved funding for the very things many of them campaigned on fighting against. Now, with really convienent timing, some doomed-to-fail attempt at gun control comes up, which will get predictably voted down in the house, so the republican party can come and claim to have saved the day. fuck 'em
Surveyor4pres,
Agreed. Am trying to think of anyone whose personal arsenal doesn't make that of San Bernardino's disaffected terrorists look like small potatoes. 2500 rounds is not even considered a good start in middle America. .
The MSM has no idea how angry Americans are but luckily for all, they are restraining themselves.
Exactly. Like my thousands of rounds of M855 62gr 5.56x45mm steel penetrator green tips, or my thousands of rounds of NATO M80 for my Armalite AR-10 7.62x51mm with Burris Eliminator III bullet-drop compensating ballistic laserscope for 600 yard one-shot take-downs.
Trying to help the boys in blue build their list pal??
They already have me on their lists, to be sure.
Dictionary, dictionary , dictionary!!!
Arsenal is where firearms are made and repaired.
Armory is where they are kept.
You can both be correct.
arsenal [ahr-suh-nl, ahrs-nuh l] noun
1. a place of storage or a magazine containing arms and military equipment for land or naval service.
2. a government establishment where military equipment or munitions are manufactured.
3. a collection or supply of weapons or munitions.
4. a collection or supply of anything; store:
My work here is done, bitchez.Trump is just as dangerous as any of the other candidates.
Ron Paul is perhaps the only person who has run in recent memory who could have possibly defused anything.
God damn it. There are so many fools.
Trump is truly terrifying. Jeff Tucker wrote a piece that ended up on Zerohedge comparing Trump to Bane. I think that's a very apt comparison.
Who cares? The pain is coming, better sooner than later
Agree. Your choice is now between a dictator (Trump) or civil war.
Time to choose bitchez.
+1 for Devil's Rejects reference.
It may be lost but fuck the RINO bastards that sold us out. I will vote for an outsider no matter what .. even if it's a write in.
The descendants of the people who built America are having their inheritance systematically removed from them. 'Elect a new people',
Exactly. Stop paying federal taxes or take up arms. Damn that's a shit choice. I'm taking door #1.
I agree with you about the problem and that we citizens need to fix it, but not Trump as a solution to anything. He is our Establishment's lightening rod, more divide and conquer. Roger Stone's good buddy, and they are running a psyop for someone.
Trump covered up 9/11. 9/11 FF was treason. Trump condoned Treason, he is complicit in Treason.
Our whole establishment is complicit in treason, and we think Trump might be a solution.
any aged oligarchy becomes a problem. In the old USSR a geriatric oligarchy, themselves concerned about their own liability in a Nuremburg trials scenario, essentially dropped the Iron Curtain until they all died out.
In the USA a progressively criminally inclined oligarchy basically is making political decisions that serve primarily to keep the lid on past crimes-at least going back to JFK.
as geriatric oligarchies become more frantic, the loss of freedoms of the general public are required in order that they successfully keep the lid on more and more stories.
The loss of freedoms leads to economic atrophy
Surveyor4Pres,
Wow. You get it. Thank you.
The best explanation of the biological differences between liberal and conservative thinking is from Anonymous Conservative. The first link is a Bill Whittle video and second is a link to the book from which the video was made.
Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY-ueR0OLlQ
Book. http://www.amazon.com/Evolutionary-Psychology-Behind-Politics-Conservati...
I just finished that book and highly recommend it to anyone on this blog. I've read very few books that have changed the way I look at the world -- this was one of them. Free. On Amazon. Do yourself a favor and read it.
You're a subject of the propganda. Obama is just a puppet carrying on the agenda, like a decade of presidemts before him. Trump, which I don't think even wants to be president, will do the same thing if he does become elected.
It blows me away that people still believe the lies coming out of politicians' mouths when their history of flip flopping says entireley different...no core values.
What Obama and I Learned at Columbia: How to Destroy America From Within
Trump voters are not just angry — they want revenge.
No sorry, your wrong. His followers are sick of liars!
He talks about wanting to destroy small business. That is one of the reasons the courts rule for Yelp extortion racket.
You can't hurt a corporation, nobody reads a review of McDonalds before they go but you can take Mr. Burger down
with bad reviews.
Meeting power with power can work but usually with disastrous consequences. The Russian Revolution is a great example. Starving the powers of your cooperation will rapidly starve the beast. All you need to look at is the success of Gandhi in chasing the British Empire out. Closer to home was the bus boycott and non patronage by blacks of white businesses in Montgomery, Alabama. Peaceful and successful. Truth to power and willingness to sacrifice.
Violent uprisings are most often co-opted by those who wait in the wings with a plan engineered by the same powers that are the object of the uprising.
if the japanese had not stopped at burma, gandhi's corpse would have been found floating down the ganges.
"Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look
upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest." gandhi, a smart opportunist, with good situational awareness
The United States of America is the most corrupt nation on Planet Earth:
• the bribery infested American political system, House of Representatives and Senate are the most corrupt;
• the American government is the most corrupt;
• the American judicial system, and the Supreme Court for sale to the highest bidder, are the most corrupt;
• the American law enforcement [The Law is never used to punish the rich or powerful. The Law is only for controlling and impoverishing the middle class and the poor.] system is the most corrupt;
• the American Main Stream Media are the most corrupt;
• the American financial and banking systems are the most corrupt;
• American Corporations and Corporate Executives are the most corrupt;
Yes, America is Exceptional. Exceptional in world-leading corruption!
America can only be rebuild when it's first destroyed because the rot runs to deep.
Anybody in power can't move because of all the corruption and cleaning it out would cost him his life.
USA is massively corrupt especially at the political-legal-military nexus. It doesn't come even close to being the most corrupt country on earth. Ever been to one of the 'Stans' or Nigeria?
I thought the politicians only went to the 'Stans' or Nigeria for training...
Shhhh. You're giving our ruling class something to aspire to!
Donald Jerkoff Trump is the greatest American_AssClown(tm)_ invented to date.
Note: _AssClown(tm)_ is morally, and ethically, bankrupt. And like America he will implode into his own footprint just like WTC #1, #2, and building #7. Support for this jerkoff will decrease as the election day approaches.
Up yours, America.
@Master of the Universe........ <----- is that Really you BarryO or is it Hitlery ?
No it's some Canadian troll who thinks he is master of the universe. Could be Dustbin Poodeau.
Moron of Universe, more likely...
Good afternoon Barry O
Hillary ???
Ok you're having a hissy fit. Breath into this bag. You know he is going to win or you would not be shitting youself like this.
This will get interesting if the establishment hacks like Mr. Luntz can't bring Trump down. They will not allow Mr. Trump to be preident, and they could care less about his supporters.
Bright offspring. The Apple doesn't fall from the tree. Great kid.
Eric Trump - Fox Business
Debbie Wasserman Schultz DNC are hitting the Zerohedge one downvotes tonight. Who gives a fuck?
imagine if he came out and spoke against homosexuals, abortion, common core or any other agenda driven by the left and the media for the past 40-50 years. His approval rating would shoot even higher.
He has almost a year until the election. There is more to come.
10 months. Do you use common core math to calculate math formula's?
That's why he said "ALMOST a year"
10 months = almost a year.
Don't be too hard on him, he still hasn't learned the difference between a month and a year.
a) Trump is allowed to win. They will let the economy crash and blame him.
b) Trump is allowed to win. Supporters find out he is a dope and life-long democrat and governs that way.
c) Trump will take important states but crash before the convention. Nasty floor fight at the convention, lack of party elite support and up-to-speed national organization by the winner will guarantee a Hillary win.
d) Trump wins nomination. Party elites will work against him. Hillary wins.
None of the above. From the clueless nature of the questions you pose, you appear to be Frank Luntz.
You apparently haven't noticed that the economy is already crashing, so not a matter of "letting" it do so.
You also apparently haven't noticed that the majority of Americans are now deeply sceptical of the media, so the idea of those in power successfully blaming Trump for their own ineptitude is laughable. Particularly when the public knows Trump is not in power but also rates him highest among the candidates in terms of his ability to deal with the economy. So politically the one person who will benefit from the crashing economy is Trump.
The one thing you got right is that the party elites will work against him. That's hardly a great insight since everyone knows they have already been doing so since he announced his candidacy. And most people, except you, know that he has been thrashing them, and will as President.
Try to lift your game Frank.
Not Frank.
The only ones who notice the economy are Wall Street & ZH. It hasn't hit main street yet. The Fed can pump for a long time ... or withdraw their support whenever they want/told to. I would think all the ZH jooz/zion haterz would be on board with that.
Some of America are sceptical. Most still think the election is a real choice, it isn't. Trump is a diversion to appease the sceptics. Again, all the ZH joo/zion haterz have to believe Trump is in their pocket somehow, they control everything!
The economy crashes after Trump wins the nomination. Trump is voted in by a landslide in the general election.
Who the fuck would be left to vote for him? White Christian hicks? He doesn't like blacks, latinos, women, muslims.
What exactly is an approval rating? What does it mean? Another invention of the MSM.
You seem to want to bring on the 4th Reich.
You're quite the moron man of wool.........you would not be soiling yourself like this if you did not think he was going to win. Oh and I already knew he was going to win. You're just confirming it.
Well said Pants
One good thing going for him is The Donald is not a left-wing Community Organizer who wants moar of YOUR money to give to the FSA.
Another thing going for him is we will not hear Trump's wife ever complain about how not proud she is of being an American like Chewbakka complained. Plus, Mrs Trump is much softer on the eyes then Chewbakka.
It would be an improvement if TMichelle chewed tobacco
We will cut off your EBT card in quarterly reductions. Don't forget to piss in a cup for drug usage. EBT instantly gone if tested positive.
Fuckin A, if drug testing is ok for taxpaying worker it's good enough for the EBT recipient too.
Cut em off.
Agreed. Even the good governor of Maine tried to get a bill passes that would have a wirk requirement for those (who are able bodied) on welfare. That included a few hours a week volunteer work helping those with real disabilities. Unfortunately, the democrats were able to kill that bill.
http://www.themainewire.com/2015/05/maine-democrats-eliminate-welfare-wo...
Yeah...once upon a time it was called America.
Its easy for Trump. The Republican party is a political corpse. Dead as a dodo. It only serves Corporate America, Israel and the rich. Nothing else exists. Just look at the fuckwits the Party produces as candidates for president every four years.
New man of wool,
Obviously, you think there is a difference between the democrats and the republicans. Your descriptions fits either party just as well.
Didn't Ryan just present a spending bill praised by the leadership of both parties and the president?
That was a sweet gift for Donald Trump, the Republicans in congress supporting that omnibus spending bill.
If Trump was legit on his "make america great" sound byte he wouldn't join up with either shitty team that so many have come to hate. This Lutz guy hear runs flak for sham establishment cronies, many people hate him too..
Luntz' vanity is on full display with that cheap wig he wears. He looks like one of those buggers to me.
the Republican party has never been consolidated in recent memory. It is a coalition of big business and religious right -- two interest groups that do not belong in bed together. On the other hand, the Democratic party is similarly a coalition of the progressive left and union supporters....another unlikely mate. Such is politics. We are desperately in need of a third party, or a different electoral system that gives voice to the disgruntled and disenfranchised folks in the middle -- instead the party bosses are pulling the edges further and further from the middle. Myself, I'm looking to move to Mars after this election.
"Democratic party is similarly a coalition of the progressive left and union supporters."
Disagree. The Dems are a coalition of the progressive left and big business, not unions. Union membership and therefore union dues have cratered, so the dems sold their soul to big business for campaign contributions.
In the last 25 years what have the dems done against the interests of big business? Repeal of Glass-Steagall, China in the WTO, NAFTA, the so-called Affordable Care Act, refusal to prosecute banksters, repeated attempts to disarm Americans, etc. have all benefitted big business.
The Dems sold out to big business and finance circa 1911, when they transitioned from being the party of Jefferson and Jackson, to the party of Woodrow Wilson and globalism. And the Republicans have been feeding at the trough of Finance since the 1850s.
Yes, BB, it is indeed all scrambled. You make good points. I submit, however, that the sort of handsjobs to big business & banking (i.e. repeal Glass-Steagall) were the sorts of things that Clinton was superb at --- he co-opted much of the Republican program and called it his own, pushing Rs out to the fringes. Clever stuff, and perhaps why they got so mad as to go after him for stains on blue dresses, etc. Politics is a very nasty business.
Not accurate any more. Democrats are very much in bed with corporate special interest.