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"Trump Voters Are Not Just Angry - They Want Revenge"
Authored by Frank Lutz, originally posted at The FT,
Outraged by what Donald Trump says? You are not alone. No high-polling presidential candidate in the modern era has so intrepidly drawn the ire of so many within the American electorate. And there remains no end in sight.
Yet in rendering one voting bloc utterly apoplectic, he has appealed viscerally to another. The balance of middle ground politics is not, shall we say, Mr Trump’s bailiwick. But America is no longer a middle ground country. We are already scared by our division — and it is getting worse.
The simple truth is, the more provocative his language, the deeper and more passionate his support. He is no dummy; there is a method to his proverbial madness. Mr Trump says — to the growing legions who will listen — what tens of millions of Americans are already thinking. Respect or revile him, the man has hit a vein.
I spent three hours in a deep dialogue focus group with 29 Trump supporters. The phenomenon of “The Donald” is rooted in a psyche far deeper and more consequential than next November’s presidential election. His support denotes an abiding distrust in — and disrespect for — the governing elite. These individuals do not like being told by Washington or Wall Street what is best for them, do not like the direction America is headed in, and disdain President Barack Obama and his (perceived) circle of self-righteous, tone-deaf governing partisans.
Trump voters are not just angry — they want revenge.
Mr Trump has adroitly filled the vacuum of vitriol, establishing himself as the bold, brash, take-no-prisoners megaphone for the frustrated masses. They see him as the antidote to all that Mr Obama has made wrong with America. So to understand why millions love Mr Trump so much, you have to take a step back and listen to why they hate Mr Obama so much.
Here, my Trump voter focus group was particularly illuminating. Some still believe the president is not Christian. Many believe he does not love America. And just about all of them think he does not reflect the values the country was built upon. Indeed, within this growing faction, Mr Trump has licence to say just about anything. As we have seen repeatedly, the more outrageous the accusation, the more receptive the ear.
Mr Trump delights in unleashing harsh attacks on Jeb Bush, the Republican establishment and the “mainstream media”. His childlike joy in ridiculing his critics is tantamount to healing balm for the millions who have felt silenced, ignored and even scorned by the governing and media elite for so long. Is it any wonder that his declaration of war against “political correctness” is his most potent and predictable applause line?
Straight-talking candidates are nothing new in American politics. From Ross Perot in 1992 to John McCain in 2000, from Howard Dean in 2004 to Sarah Palin in 2008, they rise like a rocket on the fuel of their seemingly fresh and unencumbered aversion to traditional politics. They purport to say what they mean and mean what they say — bucking established electoral trends and ruffling established political feathers. Then they crash. The media turn sour. The message grows stale. The electorate gets bored.
Mr Trump is different. The media attacks on him have been fast and furious. Yet he has defied electoral gravity because the blows are delivered by an institution that is distrusted and an elite political and business establishment that is detested.
Meanwhile, voters consistently tell pollsters like me that negative attacks do not work; they hate the ad hominem assaults. Mr Trump? He dines out on them. As his devotees see it, it is not Mr Trump going negative. It is him telling the truth. And when he fights back, he’s throwing punches on their behalf. He said something outrageous? “He’s simply raising an important issue nobody else has the courage to talk about.” He insulted someone? “That’s just him campaigning. He won’t do that as president.” He changed his position? “That was a long time ago. Everyone’s entitled to change their mind.” He doesn’t have many policy specifics? “He doesn’t need them. He’ll surround himself with smart people.” They will justify any action, explain away any contradiction, and dismiss any criticism because they are so personally and passionately invested in him.
And here is the prediction that will furrow brows on both sides of the Atlantic. Mr Trump’s supporters today will be Mr Trump’s supporters next November if he is still a candidate — no matter what party banner he runs under. Half will follow him out of the Republican Party if he breaks his promise and declares as an independent. For better or worse, his supporters will follow him to the ends of the Earth — or to the White House. Whichever comes first.
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Trump is doing a hostile takeover of the Republican party. Republican voters are tired of being lied to, of promises that are never kept. So they support him. Good luck, Donald, from a highly educated and informed white collar worker.
What makes you think Trump will keep his promises?
He has a history of doing what he says he is going to do. Not always successfully, so he's human. He managed to turn $2 million into billions, speaking openly about his plans along the way. I trust him to keep his promises WAY more than any candidate who is taking money from the Republican establishment. Enough with compromised "leaders."
Dear downvoter,
If you like your compromised leaders, you can keep your compromised leaders :)
I don't think any member of the UniParty will keep their promises. And that includes Trump.
Trump can't keep promises made in the heat of running for election. No politician keeps promises made in the heat of running for election. If that were a litmus test, all politicians would fail. Sometimes because they aren't serious, sometimes because they incorrectly judge their ability to get buy-in from congress.
What matters is that if we get an angry, disgruntled, outsider into the presidency with no monetary obligations to the money-machine that makes up the WDC beltway, there will be persistent and continuing pressure to do several things: dismantle the huge bloat of governmental agencies, dismantle the huge pork machine that eats up so much of the budget, emasculate the machinery of lobbyists and corrupt legislators that keep the system so screwed up.
It is simply not possible for a "normal" candidate to do this. They can't get into office without huge buckets of cash, and that brings obligations. Trump is an interesting case - unseen since Nelson Rockefeller (who had neither the same guts nor the same tenacity). Trump is willing to self fund (yes, much of his wealth was inherited and much is tied to business obligations, so he isn't perfect). Trump, if he can get into office (realistic or fat chance?) could really dismantle much of the shit that clogs our political sewers. Sure, he is an unfocused loudmouth, and likely has the intelligence of a turnip, but he is persistent, and he has the cash to push his way to the top, perhaps. If it happens (I give it less than 10% chance), it will be an interesting ride. I think he'll piss off a lot of insiders, and I wouldn't sell him life insurance.......
What is Trump's history?
Donate to Hillary! http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/donald-trump-donations-democrats-h...
And you talk of compromised leaders.
He has a made a lot of 'deals' in the past. Breaking a deal means instant breaking of trust in business and he does not seem like someone who wants to be hated in the US for the rest of his life. All the other politicians, with the possible exception of Sanders, are used to lying and cheating and like it.
in case anyone asks...
http://thelawdictionary.org/article/how-is-donald-trump-able-to-file-for...
trust is a fuzzy thing to anyone with his kind of money / power.
doesn't mean he's missed the point, but is does mean we may be creditors, and asked about 'coming to new terms' under his leadership.
at the very least, he's controlled opposition, and a pressure relief valve.
Several reasons:
Lets spread our praise equally, look at the complete fuckwit muslim sympathizer in the White House now..
Local Savage,
I am amazed that so many have no problem with unsustainable debt, an invasion of 11 million border violating illegals, and the lowest labor participation rate since the 70’s. I am further amazed that clover munching liberals think it is multicultural to fight the enemy over there while bringing them over here at the same time.
We live in strange times, but NOT for long, I suspect. I predict things will get, not better, but more exciting down the road.
I am amazed as well. The debt has almost doubled in just 8 years and quadrupled in the last 16 years yet so few see this as unsustainable with dire consequences. Weird, freaky and amazing.
Sweet Cheeks, I for one am exhilarated by what's coming. Study, sobriety, patience and thrift is giving me the chance I needed to prepare for certain engagement. And that right soon enough, lads.
There was an idea that the poll numbers for Trump are way too low. When a pollster calls, people will not say Trump because of the media spin, but in the privacy of the voting booth, they will in fact vote for him. Hillery is almost,maybe more, disliked than Obama. No one is running against Hillery yet. All the Republican hopefulls are running against each other with just a word or two about Hillery. When the contest get to be between her and any of the Republicans, we will see a lot more stuff for those who have not listened so far against her.
The study done by MorningConsult is here. Trump's reported support is understated by about 6% and it is mainly more educated members of the community who do not want to admit to other people that they support Trump.
So it turns out Trump's support is not just "angry white blue collar yobs".
blacks are very animal in their reactions. I sense they're tuned into Trump and realizing he's a better way to go. I'm positing they'll give him significantly more votes than expected.
Blacks are not all thugs in the street and welfare single mothers. They know they have been badly affected by the economic policies of both the Dems and GOPe. Illegal aliens probably hurt them more than the average white person, both economically and through local violence. mahommedan attacks threaten them just as much as anyone else.
The same is true for American hispanics. Trump is likely to blast apart all the Dems comfortable assumptions about having blacks and hispanics nearly corraled on the plantation.
The Hispanics I know, who immigrated legally, very much resent the illegals... and they support Trump.
Yep, the Hispanics I have known who immigrated legally, indicated the same resentment. Oh and they bothered to learn to read and speak english as well like they wanted to be an American citizen.
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Trump will draw up to 25% of the black vote.
Nassim Taleb author of The Black Swan, seems to be supporting Trump on Twitter.
Now he's starting to defend the Trump phenomenon, not by outright endorsing him or anything like that, but by going on the attack against his moronic and dishonest detractors. He's also started pointing out how there are lots of folks in polite society who may not be open about their support for Trump, but will confess it after a few Christmas party drinks. A recent poll among Taleb's Twitter followers shows 59% support for Trump, with 46% willing to admit it without having to imbibe any Christmas party drinks. That's 13% who won't be counted in polls if they vote.
His recent efforts to really go to bat for The Donald seem to be related to Putin's favorable words about Trump, and Trump's reciprocation, hinting at a future where America and Russia are closer to being allies than enemies, particularly over foreign policy in the Middle East. Taleb is even more open about his man-crush on Putin, whom he says many Christians of the Levant, like himself, see as a protector of Orthodox Christianity in the eastern Mediterranean.
http://akinokure.blogspot.ca/2015/12/nassim-taleb-slowly-converting-to-t...
revenge means ?
civil war? or military takeover ? If the other side wins?
There are more non/anti Trumpists than proTrumpists in the USA; especially amongst the young.
Wanting punishment for the guilty is called revenge if the guilty happen to belong to the Left.
who decides guilty?
You n your kind judge party and hangman?
Only way is to vote and that AINT about revenge thats about accepting the verdict either way.
So GWB, Paulson, Bernanke, Geithner are the left?
The FSA Party, by whatever name, will always be with us, and they have their own cheap sort of integrity.
I want revenge on the Republicans... who have no integrity whatsoever.
do you feel threatened by or want to join the FSA party?
there is template to (re)join another nation-state if popular referendum is correctly organized.
see: crimea.
The man with the comb is going all the way....
Looking forward to him mounted a HUGE Neo flashing Comb on the White House......
Look for that Crazy Horse memorial in the Black Hills to be re-purposed (the natives aren't too fond of it anyway).
The Donald on Horseback, pointing to a Glorious Future.
A "cut off your nose to spite your face" kind of revenge.
It's more a " get rid of the fucker up left " kind of revenge! !!
You can say that again.
It's more a " get rid of the fucker up left " kind of revenge! !!
Ok so Frank Luntz managed to fool "Stares Straight". I figured the point of Luntz's article was to stir up the exact opinion he stated. Of course Luntz is wrong again. Likely because he's an establishment tool.
Thanks, Vizzini, for straightening that out for me.
I'm no match for your brain
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SL4c9gCRSKY
Revenge can be a slippery slope. I'm not so sure if Trump fans want revenge or not but our media seems to be leading us down a path that could push us into a manufactured conflict similar to what may be beginning to happen in Europe and has happened in the Ukraine. They put people in a threatened position intending that they become violently reactionary. People want to defend theirs and they should but it will be used against them.
It's obvious when they are trying to force us to take in populations that have a terrorist element among them that they want to start some trouble. Any reactionary response would likely be the desired outcome. Hopefully nobody will take the bait. For example, having millions hit the streets to protest the importation of a threat would be ideal as opposed to attacking people once they're here. Of course, this wont happen so people are likely to start to feel powerless and do really stupid shit.
Being reactionary is almost always undesireable, it's best to act and not react. Not much you can do, you can see it happening but you can't stop it. Stock up on popcorn I guess.
close your eyes and pretend to like it?
“Trump voters [sic] are not just angry – they want revenge.”
Relax guys, you won’t get revenge with Trump representing you.
He is totally controlled by Judeo-Bolsheviks: doctor, political officers, money-lenders, probably more.
Judeo-Bolsheviks have been destroying civilizations continuously for at least 5,000 years; general plunders and mass genocides to get rid of as many victims and witnesses as possible – so as to give the next victim nation little warning.
This also means that if Trump strays from Tribe directives... well, he knows what will happen.
If you want revenge, you’ll have to learn lessons of American Founders: who, in their capacity as private men, authored the last of three eras that advanced the cause of man. The other two? Athens of minus 509 and England 1620-50.
So, sit back, enjoy the fraud, make a note of my information, and check back when it becomes really obvious Trump played Americans for suckers, again.
And the alternative? Vote for one of the other cocksuckers draining the country and padding their bank accounts and those of the Deep State? Don't vote and 'Oh yeah, new guy, same as the old guy.' I won't vote again but it's nice to see the establishment pricks browning their shorts while the MSM has coniptions. We're not changing the weather by singing Kumbya and jerking off to dandelions, sure ain't changing anything writing on here. It's gonna blow, better to blow on a high than a low. At least I'll be laughing when I go out, hopefully taking some of those pricks along for the ride.
The Alternative?
The only historically-proven method by which men have ever made tyrants accountable for the lives they have ruined: First-Amendment assemblies – which have been used only three times in all of recorded history: Athens minus 509; England, 1620-50; and the American Revolution.
But , only men who are dedicated to reason and justice can make it happen.
And who is our Cliesthenes? You cannot "reform" the minds of these SOB's, Obama still polls in the 30's even today instead of negative 30's where he actually belongs. The only historically proven method is to line these fuckers up against the wall and shoot them.
They do not stop until they are stopped.
>>>only men who are dedicated to reason and justice can make it happen.
81% of the US population is female, under 30, or "visible minority". Good Luck.
And, you won’t “go out laughing”.
A proscription accompanies every social breakdown: a time when those who asked too many questions or described too many official crimes; or made preparations for the crash are always at the top of the list for elimination.
Your last experience will be dealing with fanatically hungry hordes of homeless or two or three members of Mexican or Columbian drug cartels masquerading as DHS assassins or “tax” collectors.
They could also be recruited from American street gangs, as detailed by numerous government-provided sources.
What is this term vote that we speak of?
+1 for singing Kumbya and the jerking off to dandelions.
Watch these maggots squirm when asked 1 simple question.
The last vid is representative of them all.
http://www.activistpost.com/2015/12/watch-politicians-snap-when-alternative-media-journalist-asks-them-one-short-question.html
"...Trump played Americans for suckers, again."
Sure, just read my post, below. We will see, won't we?
It comes down to trust. Each American only trusts themselves, 100%, wholly, as President. So will Trump actually do what he promises? Will he make America Great Again? That's really the question here, isn't it?
Which comes down to trust. You have to trust SOMEONE. I personally would trust Rand Paul and/or Ted Cruz, but in reality, I believe that Trump is the right man for this MOMENT in time. Perhaps that makes millions of American voters, suckers, once again. Okay, so be it. But next time around, I can promise you, we will not give another President, nor another Congress, nor another Supreme Court (i.e. our 3 branches of government), any more chances.
This. Is. It.
And trust is sensibly based on a judgement of character, not what people say.
Trump has been in the public eye for decades, which shows us some things:
He is now about 70, so if he does 2 terms will then be almost 80. Given his current wealth, this is not a step to a meaningful addition to his wealth that will ever matter to him.
So the only thing he stands to get out of it, aside from the satisfaction of a job well done is an enduring legacy. Like anyone else, he will determine the yardstick for the legacy he wants, and given Trump's values, that is an America that is booming economically (for the country not Wall Street), that is secure and confident, and is strong.
Whether he gets there and what mistakes he makes along the way remain to be seen, but he can be trusted to try to do the best for America in those terms, and he has a far better track record of delivering on his intent than all of his rivals (except perhaps Dr Carson in his medical specialty).
Excellent post. Thank you.
He's a fucking megalomaniac. Just like all the others in politicical high places.
Same as it ever was!
i think he's doing this for his kids and grandkids too. He knows how close we are to collapse and wants to fix it.
Maybe I'm naive, we'll see.
Rand Paul and Ted Cruz accept lobby money. That means they are owned by every corporation, special interest, foreign government and crazy billionaire that has their price. All politicians who accept lobby money are traitors to America and should have a fair trial for treason. Then, if guilty, should hang by the neck until dead. We Americans think our salvation will come from democrats and republicans and we are wrong. Our only hope for salvation is ourselves.
All true. But here's the difference. Trump is bringing previously verboten topics into the public arena and the thought police are being forced to address them. People, especially White people, are beginning (and I emphasize beginning) to undrstand how they're getting screwed over and by whom. The genie is beginning to emerge from the bottle.
Judeo-Bolshevik
Is this a cross-axial political classification that you have developed yourself?
i wish the people would revolt before it get really bad.............the more time the people stay idle the worse off for us all.
an elite political and business establishment that is detested. and will remain detested after they steal the election.
People hate TOTUS, hate sneaks, liars. A prompted message is scripted lies.
Trump is the anti-TOTUS. He appears to speak his mind, which seems today to be more important than what he says, since people post-Obama crave it 'straight-up'.
If "speak your mind" is the standard, why didn't Ron Paul get support like Trump?
Love him or hate him, Trump is a "hot personality", and has big bucks.
Ron Paul, not so much.
Because Rand is too busy marching arm in arm with that POS Sharpton
I didn't even read past the headline. You bet your sweet ass, we want revenge. We want to undo all the damage this muslim cocksuker has brought down upon us.
I'm not for any of them but The Donald is like his hair. Looks good from a distance but the closer you look the worse it is. Fuk em all - makes no difference.
At last We The People has some relevance in Constitution, and is just not "feel good" words, it is time to wake up and smell the stench and LIES the establishement in Capital DC and the CON-gressman/CON-gresswoman and the SINators are telling the AMERICAN PEOPLE. Well if it is "Revenge" so be it , it is time these scumbags,coackroaches and vermins are eradicated from their cushy job.
And I suppose this author would have said that Thomas, and Benjamin, and John, and the other Founding Fathers wanted 'Revenge' against England? Or maybe they wanted something 'better'?
Anger? Revenge? Huh? Or maybe the ONLY candidate on the same side of a number of issues that have a 70+% support among ALL Americans?
DNC are using there nose to answer iWatch alerts. Hillary is using her dick.
It isn't revenge. We need avenged. My heathcare premium has gone up 20% every year since Obamcare. I take good care of myself. I shouldn't have to pay for all the pot heads and druggies.
Mine has gone from $269 mnth to over $817.00 for next year. I am opting out
And so, my friends, I leave you with Sections 1 and 24 of the Constitution of the State of Wyoming:
Sec. 1. Power inherent in the people. All power is inherent in the
people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted
for their peace, safety and happiness; for the advancement of these
ends they have at all times an inalienable and indefeasible right to alter,
reform or abolish the government in such manner as they may think proper.
Sec. 24. Right to bear arms. The right of citizens to bear arms in
defense of themselves and of the state shall not be denied.
"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day. But a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly proves a deliberate systematic plan of reducing us to slavery." - Thomas Jefferson
Twenty-Two years straight of globalism or globalization through every "change of ministers" no matter which political party.
Notice that Lutz, a paid-for hack, does not mention the anger at the Republican establishment which among Trump supporters is probably stronger than for Obama.
Hatred is always stronger for traitors than for the declared enemy.
Lutz the Putz.
What will propel Mr. Trump to the WH will be the economic disaster currently unfolding across the country . Its not just the PC correctionalism voters and non voters alike are rebelling against but the outsourcing of the countrys management to a handful of corporations who have worked on both sides of the isle. And true to form , Republican neocons and Democrat neoliberals, who have turned this into a defacto one party system jointly pass a trillion and a half budget, on top of everything before, without batting an eyelash. Even our great great grandchildren will be unable to pay for this madness.
Mr Trump we know who and what he is. Those other billionaires, those shadows on the wall of Platos cave, have circled the wagons, along with their puppets in the DNC and RNC with them. Years of washington patronage careers and retirment packages revolving door appointments along with them has resulted in an understandable frenzy, a pooling of resources to assure a defeat, by any means necessary. Their survival depends on it. What the MSM don't understand is that one does not need a college degree (something they curiously repeat..as if to say what?)to understand that the old soundbytes and feigning of shock at Trumps remarks simply do not work. Trump has pulled the curtain on the stage down, and the audience..his audience..a growing audience..can see all the way back to the brickwall of the stage.
I wish him good fortune..and success..our survival as citizens and taxpayers depends on it too.
Yep and while Barry is the worst asshole in history - you think Mc Liberty was going to save us? It makes no difference - they all are in the Club and you and I ain't
Tell us what special interest group is funding Trump? RINO's and Democrats are flooded with campaign dollars to give out free shit that doesn't exist until the taxpayer comply.
That knowledge is above my pay grade All I know is that the kind of money it takes to get elected is only within the means of a small group. I assume that they back both sides for a sure win and it's all for show. Trump is no savior IMHO but I love his character in the play
Trump has spent less than $500,000 to this point, a lot of it on shirts and hats, I imagine. Compare that to the tens of millions that the Bush campaign has spent, then contemplate their standing in the polls. The more Bush spends, the worse he seems to do.
The political marginal utility of more cash is plummeting. Trump is already taking down the establishment, and all they have to throw at him is money. He has truth to throw back at them, and Republican voters are loving the sound of impact. Trump leads by a wide and growing margin for a reason.
If there is another mahommedan attack in the US it will also give Trump a huge boost because he offered a sensible policy step (moratorium on mahommedan entry) and Clinton, Jeb, Obama, the media and all the political dwarfs screeched that it should not be done.
Any further attacks they publicly own and Trump will stand as the only wise person trying to protect America.
We have 10 months and at least 1 party with 50-state ballet access.
Any candidate on the Libertarian ballot will be better than Trump or Clinton.
There is the reason for Trump being the Republican nominee ! If the rational thinkers of the world are allowed to combine with any other group, they can't control it.
Impressive if they saw that far ahead.
And as Val Kilmer said, playing Doc Holliday in Tombstone:
"It's not revenge he's after...it's the Reckoning"
YES WE CAN!
or was it
Yes we cane?
Edit:
If it's true, "The Donald" has been globe trotting with Slick Willie & Epstein. Prolly is...folks never learn.
http://www.thesleuthjournal.com/bill-clinton-pedophile-sex-scandal-destroy-hillarys-presidential-ambitions/
A Revenge Vote is a dish best served cold. While I like the idea I can't say that I support Trump for this reason. I supported Trump long before his rise in the polls because of his tremendous experience with bankruptcy - something the new world order badly needs. But to add Revenge on top of that like extra special dark chocolate sprinkles oh my.
The establishment has become totally criminal,supporting isi,,spying on us with NSA, constant, endless lies,importing illegal immigrant, sanctuary cities, sending our jobs overseas, lying about the economy, destroying Iraq, again and Syria, when they know Americans don't want war, trying to take out Assad because he is independentn to put in a puppet, absolute criminal bankers who have the taxpayer on the hook for trillions of their debt,not one banker is jail.Trump's fo;;owers are normal people who want to stop the establishment corruption. the rest are really stupid or protectind their blood sucking ways
I can agree with you about the problems and the followers, but what makes you think Trump does?
That is the problem. Trump doesn't have a track record, it is a sequence of sound bytes. We know less about Trump's real views than we knew about Obama's.
But we know he covered up 9/11 with the "Dancing Muslims" statement, and that the Israeli-Neocon moneybags crowd pronounced him good and that MSM could not possibly be more helpful to Trump.
Add to that the fact that Trump cannot possibly win a general election, not even against Hillary Clinton, who would be by far the easiest for a Republican to beat. Trump makes people dislike him, the other side of his charm. Women don't like him much. He will not wear well on the campaign trail, he is not a plausible candidate.
Not to say he might not be, just that it is only in the oligarch's interest if they need to stop the Libertarian party in the general election, Trump would pull away the seriously-disaffected from the party that would really threaten the Status Quo, military, etc.
Fuck Frank Lutz, he is nobody, just another Fox waterboy, he tweets that he just got a ride with Obama on Air Force One, fuck off scumbag.
Word is Frank made the "mile high club" with the Bath House on AF 1.
Once Trump is turned into an ALIEN that all of the ELites and rulers are then we will see all the snakes for what they are and then kill them all.
Is that one of your wishes?
waiting for the genie to decide when?
The more they attack Trump the more I like him. I do not care what the fuck he says, if it generates Media and Liberal HATRED then I LIKE it, Tweet IT and promote it.
Why, because I fucking hate the establishment on all sides. This country is a big shit show. Amerikan non exceptionalism under this socialist regime has to go. It can go well or go to shit I do not care at this point.
Do you not suppose they understand that?
As I say, MSM could not be nicer. If they really didn't like Donald Trump, you would never hear the name from anyone.
Like Jesse Ventura, for example.
TRUMP!!!!
Why So Much Jewish Fear and Loathing of Donald Trump? Professor Kevin MacDonald October 29, 2015
Trump’s statement on Muslim exclusion Professor Kevin MacDonald
It’s no surprise that a wide range of Jewish groups , including the Israel Policy Forum (which oddly doesn’t recommend Muslim immigration to Israel), were outraged:
It’s interesting that quite a bit of the motivation for the 1924 immigration cutoff was because of the common perception (and reality) that Jewish immigrants in particular were sympathetic to communism and the far left — attitudes that were entirely mainstream in the Jewish community of the era, at a time when Bolshevik brutality was on the minds of informed people throughout the West, and when Jewish organizations had their hands full trying to counter the image of the Jewish radical.
The 1924 law, of course, did not specify Jewish groups, but called for an immigration moratorium in general. So if singling out a group offends people’s “basic values” — even if singling them out is entirely rational — perhaps a more palatable idea would be to cut off immigration completely. Pretty obviously, US immigration policy has nothing to do with economic needs (for one thing, it never slowed down at all during the recent recession), but is rather intended to increase non-Whites at the expense of the White population. But of course, Jewish groups would be even more outraged at cutting off immigration completely.
Make no mistake about it, if Trump is nominated, there will be an unprecedented bombardment of propaganda against him that will make the 1964 anti-Goldwater campaign look tame by comparison. But, given the steadily falling White percentage of the electorate (definitely a design feature of the current policy), this may be the last chance for Whites to elect a president who represents their interests. I suspect that quite a bit of the Republican Jewish Coalition money will actively support Hillary, and others will sit on their hands. Not only are Trump’s declarations on immigration and refugees anathema to them, he has not toed the neocon lines on Syria, the Iraq war, or Putin. His speech at the recent RJC forum (where he also deviated from Israel Lobby positions on Israel’s supposed commitment to peace with the Palestinians and placing Israel’s capital in Jerusalem) was basically a statement to the effect that “I don’t need your money; I am way ahead in the polls, so get used to it.” To put it mildly, the RJC is not used to such chutzpah. The unprincipled Marco Rubio, who will do anything for their money, is much more acceptable.
Trump is calling into question the entire worldview that pervades our hostile elites. And that is unforgivable.
Such BS.
AIPAC is fully behind Trump.
this topic has much validity.
a well known and respected study once revealed that people who were victims of scams, cronyism, etc. resulting in lost wealth WERE FAR MORE INTERESTED IN GETTIN' REVENGE THAN GETTIN' THEIR MONEY BACK.
it goes deep.
revenge or justice?
Definitely "justice".
I'll supply the rope and piano wire.
I remember when Obama won, and honestly he had me fooled. But once he was elected it took about a day to see what we had elected, another snake. He chastised democrats for wanting LIEberman kicked out of the Democratic caucus and to loose his chairmanship. Obama showed how much of a coward he was, even after LIEberman had attacked Obama.
Principal or expediency, morality for "progress" AKA profit.
Niggardly.
Truthalwayswinsout,
Niggardly=Miserly, stingy. Perhaps you would care to explain that comment or are you too niggardly with your verbage?
America is going down the shitter, at least with Donald it will be an interesting ride and who knows, he may even be able to slow it down a bit...
Speed it up works for me
if they had let it crash and burn it would have been better (and shorter) and the corrupt could have been swept into the dustbin of history (and into jail) and we would have been able to truly recover by now ... but noooo they insisted on keeping the corrupt in place.
There’s a major factor regarding Trump’s campaign that everyone seems to overlook.
The only people allowed exposure on the CIA/FBI/Mossad-controlled media are those who are on their team.
Thus, if Trumps gains the White House, it will be because of massive and perpetual assistance provided by the tribe of Judeo-Bolsheviks.
sad but true, the zionist media will never allow any man to get close to the White House that is not one of theirs.
If Trump wants to make it to elections, he will need excellent personal security detail for months to come as character assassination by establishment is clearly not working on him, and security at his rallies seems abominable.
I just hope he has done his homework and is prepared to rattle off the littany of murders, sexual assaults, and corruption comitted by Hill and Bill.
"The Clintons' War on Women" by Roger Stone ... 4 1/2 stars on Amazon, 335 reviews, a very interesting read. Trump is probably saving this. But it's gonna come up.
http://www.amazon.com/Clintons-War-Women-Roger-Stone/dp/151070678X/ref=t...
There is NO evidence Trump is opposed by anyone outside of Republican Party circles. AIPAC thinks he is fine.
He'll be OK as long as he stays away from the secret service.
He can hire his own men.
Search on YouTube for the George Snuffleupegas interview with him. He destroys him and won't let him get away with his hatchet job tactics. Amazing. THAT is why I'm voting Trump. And I gave up voting YEARS ago.
I think I remember that exact quote here before.
Right, Steffie's dislike is so validating of a political figure's real agenda.
Even hasbara can't think such simple shit works.
Mr Trump’s supporters today will be Mr Trump’s supporters next November if he is still a candidate — no matter what party banner he runs under.
If he lives
Liberals and conservatives explained down to the structure of their brain. Why they think differently about everything.
Video with Bill Whittle and Stefan Molyneux from Anonymous Conservative's book, The Evolutionary Psychology Behind Politics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY-ueR0OLlQ
book http://www.amazon.com/Evolutionary-Psychology-Behind-Politics-Conservati...
(I posted this before, and am posting it again because it becomes more salient each day. Updated based on recent news.)
The more the MSM piles on (Like those shit heads at the WSJ) the more I like the Donald. He has them in a fit because he, and the rest of us, dont care what the MSM says any more. Call me and Donald racist? Fuck you. Call me and Donald Nazies? Fuck You. Pile on and my resolve becomes more firm. Think I am a hick? You misserable fucking elite, I am one of you, a senior manager in a fortune 100 company.
Nate Silver and other media ass wipes have said that there is no way that the Donald can win. Ok. In the interest in ful disclosure, I have a masters degree in statistics and have been looking at the polling data my self. Not only can Donald win, but he will win. Hillary, the post menapausal battle axe has very serious negatives. Men hate her, and women are not so cool with her eiither. Her high negatives mean that many Bernee supporters will vote for the Donald. Have seen NOTHING recently that says that Donald can not win. To the contrary, his election is very possible, maybe even probable.
So what to do? I have signed up to be a voting day precinct captain. Get involved!!! Do what you can to make the election safe and honest. Begging you to get involved in the process. ZH readers will make excellent poll observers, inspectors or supervisors. Please, for your own sake, get involved. What ever the result we need to be able to say that the process was solid.
What a wonderful time to be alive. You just cant buy this level of entertainment at any price.
Oh, my gosh, Capt. Drake,
Sign me on as Galley Gal or First Mate. It matters not. The ride into the hurricane will be awesome.
"Many Bernie supporters will vote for Trump"
What in your master's degree in statatistics tells you that?
If your election captaining is not paper ballots the election is not clean.
yeah, Demdere
But what if the election in November 2016 is between Bernie and Donny?
Who do I vote for then?
Bernie will win.
because it is true...
I agree completely. -signed Sr Engineer working with 4th largest company in the world
White working class retired here. Volunteered to help and donated 25 dollars. I've served both parties in my state. Hint: It is rated #1 in political corruption; its pension funds are effectively insolvent; there's not a hairs width of difference between the two corrupt ruling parties; and our largest city is about to implode. Trump 2016
+1 "menapausal battle axe'
Except that menopause is a dry, dusty memory for Hillary
Trump is leading because the other GOP candidates are ass clowns. He looks brilliant next to them.
He will destroy Sanders or Clinton. Also nobodies.
This race is a joke. Not one person with principals or brains to talk about the real problems. Can we write in
Paul Craig Roberts?
yes you can write him in.
Forget about revenge. Get Trump elected. Once that happens, we can take care of business.
And why would you have more power then?
Fantasy.
Americans deserve no better. we have allowed our nation to be ruled by pigs, Putin is a better man than the last 5 US presidents combined. Of course if we had a good man as president, they would shoot him in the head...like they did to our last real president, John F Kennedy.
Nevertheless, Other than starting the EPA what did Nixon do wrong?
According to Paul Craig Roberts, Trump is advised by neocons who want him to use nukes on isis and Trump has said he will do it. That would scare the hell out of any sane person.
AtTheLake,
There is a big difference in tactical nukes and strategic nukes. And after 14 years of fighing this non-war with jihadists and our present ROE's, who says we are still sane?
I don't think the civilians on the ground would be able to tell the difference...
America used nukes on civilians, sometime in the distant future, America will be looked back on in horror, for the evil we committed against other humans, all for profit...we have sold our souls to zionism.
And that's why John Neocon McCain was seen meeting with ISIS?
Why use nukes, they don't even want Russia to bomb ISIS.
Israel the Neocon controller is patching up wounded ISIS warriors.
hmm....
is that worse than using mini nukes on the WTC to launch a GWOT?
Trump has generally not been coy about his positions, e.g. illegals and the wall, mahommedan moratorium, trade deals, letting Putin take care of ISIS.
So how come he is not telling the world about this nukes policy but PCR is in the know?
If its supposedly a Trump policy and you aren't hearing it from Trump, it's just speculative gossip.
"Some still believe the president is not Christian."
If you judge people by their actions and not their words, then barry is definitely not a Christian.
Anyone want to bet that the article's author, Frank Luntz was denied an interview with The Donald
If wanting to reinstate and enforce things like border controls, Glass-Seagall, and lawful Constitutional self-government run by public servants, while wanting to repeal things like Obamacare, TPP, TBTF banks, ending foreign wars and the cult of jackboot political correctness is REVENGE, then where the fuck do I sign up?
No surprise these simple ideas are selling like hotcakes. The only unlimited sovereign authority of the USA is 300 million people. The 2nd Amendment isn't just a Natural and Constitutional right, it's a call for vigilance.
These sniveling degenerates in both parties. I hope Trump runs as an independant. The president weilds near dictatorial power. He doen't need to build any consensus with these dirt bags.
I hate to say it, but only open, armed revolt, perhaps aided by a disenfranchised segment of the miltary, will change things.
Enough Independent votes, it gets thrown into the House! Enough of us show up, Trump gets the Pump! He vanquishes the two bushes, Shrub II and Adolf Hitlery!
We get OUT of the ME and Ukraine! We get rid of the Ziocons and go back to Free Trade and bidness.
We can wish!
This will not get me many greenies but the unavoidable questions for Trump will be whether he rolls back the Bush/Obola obnoxious anti-liberty laws and executive orders, the systematic attacks on the 1st & 2nd Amendments, the DHS, NSA and the gathering police state? Plus a whole bunch of other vile stuff intended to turn America into a socialist police state.
He might say he will, but will he/can he do it? Candidates promise the earth before elections and deliver very little afterwards. Sometimes what they deliver is the opposite of what they promised.
When they win and walk in the front door, the countless alphabet agencies go to work and explain why this or that cannot be repealed for whatever reason. National Security is usually a good excuse. Over the weeks/months they strip away any reform agenda to the point where little or nothing changes.
Think what Obola promised and what he has delivered.
I was wondering why the GOP field remains so crowded, like vultures waiting patiently for opportunity? Is it that they they know, upon information or belief, that Donald can never be selected as the GOP candidate?
It seems that Biden et all on the Democratic side understand this, and that it is Hillary that holds the power. Of course there have to be a few token candidates like Bernie and what's his name for appearances.
If Trump gets the Dump, I'm going with McAfee.
He's so crazy smart he does not give a damn.
The problem with Trump is: he supports Israel.
Yeah, that's absolutely the biggest problem facing the US.
Incidentally, which of the candidates on either side does not?
None, they are all a bunch of israeli grundle lickers.
Ironically it might be Bernard who supports Israel the least, but when punch comes to shove he will in the end.
If you don't support israhel you don't get money
If you don't get Jewish support the media will insure you are marked a racist or a sexist
If you keep doing well, they will try and frame you or your family
If you get into office, by some miracle from heaven, they will shoot you in the head on national TV and dare anyone in authority to say something.
Its over, they control Washington, the Pentagon...Walk around DC, they own the place, and that is not an exaggeration, just like Wall Street and Hollywood.
The only way to beat them is to become just as evil and ruthless as they, and honestly, it really not in our nature.
"and that is not an exaggeration,"
You are making your hyperbole just a tad too obvious.
SO HE SAYS -hopefully that us just talk and he supports his own country first -we shall see.,