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"Trump Voters Are Not Just Angry - They Want Revenge"
Authored by Frank Lutz, originally posted at The FT,
Outraged by what Donald Trump says? You are not alone. No high-polling presidential candidate in the modern era has so intrepidly drawn the ire of so many within the American electorate. And there remains no end in sight.
Yet in rendering one voting bloc utterly apoplectic, he has appealed viscerally to another. The balance of middle ground politics is not, shall we say, Mr Trump’s bailiwick. But America is no longer a middle ground country. We are already scared by our division — and it is getting worse.
The simple truth is, the more provocative his language, the deeper and more passionate his support. He is no dummy; there is a method to his proverbial madness. Mr Trump says — to the growing legions who will listen — what tens of millions of Americans are already thinking. Respect or revile him, the man has hit a vein.
I spent three hours in a deep dialogue focus group with 29 Trump supporters. The phenomenon of “The Donald” is rooted in a psyche far deeper and more consequential than next November’s presidential election. His support denotes an abiding distrust in — and disrespect for — the governing elite. These individuals do not like being told by Washington or Wall Street what is best for them, do not like the direction America is headed in, and disdain President Barack Obama and his (perceived) circle of self-righteous, tone-deaf governing partisans.
Trump voters are not just angry — they want revenge.
Mr Trump has adroitly filled the vacuum of vitriol, establishing himself as the bold, brash, take-no-prisoners megaphone for the frustrated masses. They see him as the antidote to all that Mr Obama has made wrong with America. So to understand why millions love Mr Trump so much, you have to take a step back and listen to why they hate Mr Obama so much.
Here, my Trump voter focus group was particularly illuminating. Some still believe the president is not Christian. Many believe he does not love America. And just about all of them think he does not reflect the values the country was built upon. Indeed, within this growing faction, Mr Trump has licence to say just about anything. As we have seen repeatedly, the more outrageous the accusation, the more receptive the ear.
Mr Trump delights in unleashing harsh attacks on Jeb Bush, the Republican establishment and the “mainstream media”. His childlike joy in ridiculing his critics is tantamount to healing balm for the millions who have felt silenced, ignored and even scorned by the governing and media elite for so long. Is it any wonder that his declaration of war against “political correctness” is his most potent and predictable applause line?
Straight-talking candidates are nothing new in American politics. From Ross Perot in 1992 to John McCain in 2000, from Howard Dean in 2004 to Sarah Palin in 2008, they rise like a rocket on the fuel of their seemingly fresh and unencumbered aversion to traditional politics. They purport to say what they mean and mean what they say — bucking established electoral trends and ruffling established political feathers. Then they crash. The media turn sour. The message grows stale. The electorate gets bored.
Mr Trump is different. The media attacks on him have been fast and furious. Yet he has defied electoral gravity because the blows are delivered by an institution that is distrusted and an elite political and business establishment that is detested.
Meanwhile, voters consistently tell pollsters like me that negative attacks do not work; they hate the ad hominem assaults. Mr Trump? He dines out on them. As his devotees see it, it is not Mr Trump going negative. It is him telling the truth. And when he fights back, he’s throwing punches on their behalf. He said something outrageous? “He’s simply raising an important issue nobody else has the courage to talk about.” He insulted someone? “That’s just him campaigning. He won’t do that as president.” He changed his position? “That was a long time ago. Everyone’s entitled to change their mind.” He doesn’t have many policy specifics? “He doesn’t need them. He’ll surround himself with smart people.” They will justify any action, explain away any contradiction, and dismiss any criticism because they are so personally and passionately invested in him.
And here is the prediction that will furrow brows on both sides of the Atlantic. Mr Trump’s supporters today will be Mr Trump’s supporters next November if he is still a candidate — no matter what party banner he runs under. Half will follow him out of the Republican Party if he breaks his promise and declares as an independent. For better or worse, his supporters will follow him to the ends of the Earth — or to the White House. Whichever comes first.
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Trump can not fix the economy....no one can(ww3 may fix it). He has brought a lot of issues up for discussion that otherwise wouldn't be heard. Think about what all the candidates would be talking about if Trump wasn't running. There are going to be terrorist attacks in this country. That's in the bank. Hopefully we don't wind up in ww3. I don't want revenge.....I want the train put back on the track (assuming that's possible at this point). Every group in the USA that can abuse their power is doing so. I'm sure Trump won't do a perfect job but look at the rest that are running. Assuming Trump gets elected there is still a do nothing congress and a court system that is a world disgrace. Another platform plank Trump should use is no one should be able to hold office more than two four years then they have to go back to the private sector...then you would have a democracy.
The people with psychological problems aren't the Trump supporters. The people who need to have their heads examined are the donkeys and circus elephants who promote Bush and Obama to the highest office in the land, so that after attacks by religous fanatics they can lecture America about how their religion is "a religion of peace." So that they can double the national debt every two terms. So that they can wrack up unfunded liabilities which guarantee a collapse of the very nanny state they are building. So that they can answer the underclass's pandemic criminality by subsidizing it in the name of race. So that they can insulate their cronies from any and all exposure to the free market while stamping the practice "capitalism."
My analysis, admitedly amateur, is that they are at best sociopathic -- many being actually psychopathic -- and severely delusional. Among which delusions, the delusion of grandure that government, in general, and government specifically when they are the ones running it, can bring about a perfect world.
Nuts.
"so that after attacks by religous fanatics"
So that after attacks by the Mossad & CIA...
Fixed it for ya. I agree with the rest of your post. You'll also get an up vote from me.
"I'm ready to go now, Lord. My life is complete."
It gets old, when u r stupid u blame it on the jews or somebody else. PRAY WE NEVER MEET. Thats y I am such a good- fast shot. I will not tolerate stupidity from stupid people. History may repeat itself, but not around me. Bless the Israelis and the Jewish people. FUCK all u assess stupid Jew haters who cant even wipe ur asses without pressure washing ur fingernails.
Really?
Here's the question I ask all die-hard Israel/Jew supporters when we talk politics. It's the same question I ask people offline.
Why....as a free thinking, independant individual, why do YOU support Israel?
Happy Christmas
Try bourbon. You'll get there faster.
"A Common Dreams investigation has discovered that more than a thousand of these damaging comments over the past two years were written with a deceptive purpose by a Jewish Harvard graduate in his thirties who was irritated by the website's discussion of issues involving Israel.
His intricate campaign, which he has admitted to Common Dreams, included posting comments by a screen name, "JewishProgressive," whose purpose was to draw attention to and denounce the anti-Semitic comments that he had written under many other screen names."
Hasbara Trolls
Bless the Israelis and the Jewish people.
Actually, it should read, "Bless the American Joe Sixpacks with their hard earned tax dollars, their sons and daughters who continue to shed blood so the little shithole Israel can thrive."
Without the deception, lies and theft, Israel would be just desert and the world would be free.
Fuck the Zionistas and their Fuckery. Fucksticks! No more American Blood for the Khazar!!
They are as the Master said, of the Synagogue of Satan. A blight upon the Earth. Wherever they go there is Usery, slavery, Fuckery and more Fuckery!
How come the Torah Jews did not join the IDF (until recentlty?) Were they forced into it by their Khazar Masters?
Joe Palestinian has moar "Hebrew" blood than most Khazars. One must read "Two Hundred Years Together" by Alexander Solzhenitsyn.....banned in the West the PTB.
Be waiting for the day when we can se how fast and straight you shoot.
The elite will accomodate a Trump and just make sure the #2 [Cruz?] is in place for whenafter the populace digests the too much food they have shoved down our throats.
They did this with Reagan and after had NWO Scum Bush the elder in place.
They ALWAYS win.
ALWAYS.
Not always. The jew seems to have lost it's control upon Russia.
The Russian people, via Putin and his crew, have a precarious hold over their own country, but it is a hold nonetheless.
Real Americans may one day regain control over our own country, but we will have to pry it from their cold, dead hands, and the blood of a lot of patriots may have to be spilled in the process. Those prospects seem bleak, but regaining our country one day is a possibility.
The jew seems to have lost it's control upon Russia.
The Jmafia oligarchs are trying to get it back:
http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-khodorkovsky-revolution/27416694.html
It's not revenge for me although I'd love 5 minutes alone with Bernanke. But I digress. I support Donald merely because of the quality of the people that don't like him. If they don't like him he must be good. And fuck you RINOs
Revenge? No, leave that for the higher power to sort out via karma. Reparations? Now THAT would hurt the SOB's where it really counts. $100 trillion or so from israhell would be a good start.
True Americans (i.e. The Country Party) are fed up w/ the ruling/polical class, esp. with the fact that they're using our hard-earned tax dollars to forward their elitist, "smarter-than-thou" agendas. We've been "Grubered" too many times. You think? The Democrats and the Republicans are one in the same; both from the oligarchy/aristocracy/progressive/leftist party. The party of crony capitalism. Of course Americans want real "hope and change". It's a matter of survival. Otherwise it's life as usual in the neofeudal 21st century (i.e. serfdom). Remember that 1) conservative Americans still outnumber the dufus left by 2:1 and 2) We pay the majority of the taxes that fund their political machine and so control the purse strings in spite of the allegedly GOP(RINO)-led House. Trump is not beholden to any progressive agenda, at least currently. Most real Americans realize this, hence his popularity as a candidate.
http://spectator.org/articles/39326/americas-ruling-class-and-perils-rev...
America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution
The only serious opposition to this arrogant Ruling Party is coming not from feckless Republicans but from what might be called the Country Party -- and its vision is revolutionary. Our special Summer Issue cover story.
By Angelo M. Codevilla – From the July 2010 - August 2010 issue
Important as they are, our political divisions are the iceberg's tip. When pollsters ask the American people whether they are likely to vote Republican or Democrat in the next presidential election, Republicans win growing pluralities. But whenever pollsters add the preferences "undecided," "none of the above," or "tea party," these win handily, the Democrats come in second, and the Republicans trail far behind. That is because while most of the voters who call themselves Democrats say that Democratic officials represent them well, only a fourth of the voters who identify themselves as Republicans tell pollsters that Republican officeholders represent them well. Hence officeholders, Democrats and Republicans, gladden the hearts of some one-third of the electorate -- most Democratic voters, plus a few Republicans. This means that Democratic politicians are the ruling class's prime legitimate representatives and that because Republican politicians are supported by only a fourth of their voters while the rest vote for them reluctantly, most are aspirants for a junior role in the ruling class. In short, the ruling class has a party, the Democrats. But some two-thirds of Americans -- a few Democratic voters, most Republican voters, and all independents -- lack a vehicle in electoral politics.
The Agenda: Power
Our ruling class's agenda is power for itself. While it stakes its claim through intellectual-moral pretense, it holds power by one of the oldest and most prosaic of means: patronage and promises thereof. Like left-wing parties always and everywhere, it is a "machine," that is, based on providing tangible rewards to its members. Such parties often provide rank-and-file activists with modest livelihoods and enhance mightily the upper levels' wealth. Because this is so, whatever else such parties might accomplish, they must feed the machine by transferring money or jobs or privileges -- civic as well as economic -- to the party's clients, directly or indirectly. This, incidentally, is close to Aristotle's view of democracy. Hence our ruling class's standard approach to any and all matters, its solution to any and all problems, is to increase the power of the government -- meaning of those who run it, meaning themselves, to profit those who pay with political support for privileged jobs, contracts, etc. Hence more power for the ruling class has been our ruling class's solution not just for economic downturns and social ills but also for hurricanes and tornadoes, global cooling and global warming. A priori, one might wonder whether enriching and empowering individuals of a certain kind can make Americans kinder and gentler, much less control the weather. But there can be no doubt that such power and money makes Americans ever more dependent on those who wield it.
That's right, normal people still outnumber the elitists by about 99.9%. The fact they spend so much time trying to make the rest of us feel like freaks in our own country should tell you what they are up to. Their divide and conquer strategy needs to fail here, because this is America. America is evolutionary and must not be snuffed out. This would turn back the clock on progress and sending us into global feudalism.
Great article, and great foresight seeing how long ago it was written. From the standpoint of a lifetime being lived during this period, events seem agonizingly slow. But from a perspective of history working itself out, of which Trump's candidacy is a quite logical phenomena along the way, events are moving fast. Set to move faster still once the equity markets crumple. And when the cities start burning, faster still....
What are Trump's ideas on Europe, EU and NATO ? Any good links ?
He did say that Ukraine was mainly a matter for Europe and Germany, not the US, should be taking the lead there if they thought it important.
from a geopolitical point of view, it is not difficult to see why the US would want a frozen conflict in that region.
At least Trump is dropping some of the pretense.
In the 2012 election the owners of the Republican party showed they would break all of their own rules in order to give zero votes to a candidate they didn't like, and exclude him from attending their national convention. In some instances the local party douchebags refused to be voted out of the state committee leadership, packed up the voting machines, and called police on the people who wanted to replace them. And this is the law-and-order and follow-the-rules-young-man party.
This should be an amusing election. These wannabe powermongers spend their whole lives doing shit that they know is wrong and living in fear of the consequences, while pretending to be better than the rest of us, more pure of heart and assholier than thou. Nothing is more satisfying than watching assholes like these get their comeuppance.
The worthless, POS, fake red team crapped on Ron Paul. Fuck 'em!
First . Frank Lutz is an establishment POS. For him to admit the obvious just shows you how shell shocked they are.
Second. Count me as one of the former Republicans that want revenge. I don't want trump or hillary elected but I want trump to burn down the establishment republicans.
"We had to burn down the village to save it"
"Burn, baby, Burn,"
_--H. Rap Trump.
I'd vote for Trump....IF MY VOTE COUNTED.
IT DOESN'T.
SOMEHOW - SOME WAY - TPTB will find a way to get their selection installed. CANKLES CLINTON THE CUNT.
Alllllllllllll this is scripted Kabuki.
The U.S. has long been hijacked by the cunt-elite motherfuckers, and they run the fucking show.
Vote anyway, then raise hell, that's what Ima gonna do.
But, only for the Trump. All my other votes will be for Libertarians, as usual.
But, we went from about 5 to about 35 over the last few years in my precinct. Now, some were due to my extra voter cards, but others were actual converts.
"But, we went from about 5 to about 35 over the last few years in my precinct. Now, some were due to my extra voter cards, but others were actual converts."
lol.
As they say in Ireland: "vote early and vote often"
Every other candidate is definitely status-quo. So the only choices are: don't vote, vote for Trump, or get outta dodge while you still can (the wise choice).
Of course Trump might not change anything, but for sure the others won't.
Hammer the 2-party frame down tight. Make sure nobody thinks outside of a 2-party box.
Yes, we have no other choices. So glad you pointed that out.
To better understand your perspective: are you American?
(I would have guessed from your previous posts you are not)
I'm not a part of any fictitious entity (nation, etc), and I never have identified as such.
I grew up in China, moved to Maui (Hawaii) for many years, then finally moved to the extreme boonies in the southern hemisphere about 4 years ago. I'll stay here until I move into outer space.
H.L. Mencken: "It is a Trump's duty to tell the truth and raise hell."
(paraphrase there).
GO TRUMP!
Raise Hell!
Enough of the Elite Fuckery!
There's nothing that can't be fixed in this country by A. ending corp. lobbying/campaign contributions and B. auditing/ending the Fed. Trump looks like he's got A handled. The question is what does he do about B?
He won't get to B because he will be Kennedy'd. No one will be able to get to B unless citizens understand what's has happened to them for the last 100 years and demand vengeance.
Heresa wee bit of listening for some Sunday Night pleasure.
Enjoy the truth in real world news...it just feels good.:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIuvh-VNFhw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl6oT1eGSEc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46WLigkIaJg
***Please share these links with everyone you know as a belated Christmas gift. There is no greater gift than, Truth!
I think the bottom line is that people think he can't be any worse than what the establishment will put up. If he goes nazi on everyone he is just doing it a few administrations before the establishment and probably the only reason they hate him is they have the dominoes all set up and he could start them falling
and that is the worst case scenario. The upside from there is worth the gamble. At this point people have nothing to lose. He may be a Napoleon but it sure beats going back to the internationalist traitor royalty they have running the country now
and then there's the Hillary voters. Amazing...
"So how does he reconcile this attitude with the fact that the heavy favorite for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016 is his occasional golfing buddy Donald Trump? He grants that Trump is running on "hate" but adds, "There's absolutely nothing I can do. There are some other people that aren't as open about what he's saying that are running also, you know, that are just as crazy, that have just as much ill-will toward the common man — and not just the common black man. People who don't have a certain amount of money don't mean anything to them."
He's already made up his mind about his own vote in 2016: "I'm forever a Democrat, you know, and I'm gonna vote for Hillary. I mean, I love Bernie — Bernie's a man of the people — but he can't win. So I gotta cast my vote for a person that can keep those other people from winning, okay? Not to mention, you know, Hillary kinda knows the job, she can hit the ground running."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/awards-chatter-podcast-samuel-l-85...
Thinking solutions are gonna pop outta this election is just silly. So lets all waste another year?
They are stringing us along.
Seriously? After 2 Bushes, 1 Clinton and another on the way not to mention bathhouse Barry? Want revenge? They want fucking sanity you idiot dirt clod. They may being going down a road that isn't much better than what we have but the fact remains that it IS somewhat better. Nuf said.
"This will get interesting if the establishment hacks like Mr. Luntz can't bring Trump down. They will not allow Mr. Trump to be preident, and they could care less about his supporters."
I do not think Luntz has skin in this game,he's an ON AIR pollster,nothing more nothing less.
Making a living.Being on FOX, the only CLOSE to conservative and semi factual network left on TV should say something for him.
a very small portion of what Luntz does is political
If you think, Trump is your saviour, you are mistaken, he is in campaign, and he will be the same as every other before him.
really? so who's your choice?
So you're telling us there was no difference between Eisenhower, Kennedy and Reagan compared to Clinton, Bush(es) and Obama. Really?
OT but over Christmas I watched the movie Spotlight. It retells the last time the msm did an actual piece of investigative journalism against the establishment. In this case the boston globe went after the Catholic Church and laid bare how they covered up the priests diddling with children. Nasty story but a great movie.
The great irony is that the Jesuits taught me to question everything. I do. They're fuks and so is there RC belief system. Mission Accomplished!
"The great irony is that the Jesuits taught me to question everything. I do."
Drop that point in the middle.
Why?
"Really?
Here's the question I ask all die-hard Israel/Jew supporters when we talk politics. It's the same question I ask people offline.
Why....as a free thinking, independant individual, why do YOU support Israel?"
I support Israel the country not the crooked pols there,like everywhere else.
They are as a nation, and where they are (the Apple of GODS eye), and the ultimate end game nation according to scripture.Also, WHO else better IS there to support the insane cult following Islam's brainwashed pigs?.
Most of Israel is secular, like America.I support the END goal that the faithful and the role it plays in the end game for ALL of mankind.
Trump is the last hope before the 'fire works' I'm voting Trump...maybe, just maybe there is hope....
FOR WHAT??
THe American People want RESTITUTION .
They will want REVENGE if they don't get it - and fast.
Hahahahaha. People think voting will change anything.
its so much nonsense posted here on zero hedge
but enough is enough
i can no longer tolerate your sticky slow behavour toward jews in israel
we all know that israel is an american state
most jews in israel speak english, its only on camera they try speak hebrew so their parents and chefs dont get angry at them
the jews in israel who cant speak english speak russian. russian is the second official language of israel. thats a fact!
i dont know why people are against israel even through all of your parents and grantparent wanted a state of isreal.
you cant change your mind every two days on something
today you hate israel tomorrow you love israel then you hate it again....
i have to come to the conclusin many readers here on zh are infected with bi-polar disorder.
even countries like turkey, and turkey is mulim cuntry, are friend with isreal and jews
maybe many people dont like israel because they never were to isreal
i never was in israel either, but i know that israel is one of the best places to be in, if want to see how people lived 2000 years back.
i assume most of you are just uneducated about jews. that can be dangerous. just remember what happend to post war nazi-germany.
they stole all the russian amber-room and now they all driving mercedes benz. it is just unfair towards israel because in isreal no one is driving mercedes benz. instead they have to use this ugly toyotas the were forced to buy from turkey
look at how friendly isreal is! it even bought up turkeys toyotas when turkey was in need.
thats why we need to be friend with isael
i am por-israel
and you have toe be pro-israel too!
I'll be pro-Israel when there is nothing but a desert there.
but there is nothing more then a desrt
that only shows your true entellect
empty hate is a sign of bigotry, you need to stop this hate towards yourself and others
try to be positive! look at what the jews contibuted to society
just imagine new york without bagels. its like an african american without socks.
did you see the top 100 most beatiful faces 2015 video?
(skip to 9:35)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFm9EGzu9oc
place two is taken by a jewish woman
many people say that the vote is rigged, gal gadot should be rank 1 not 2
i too belive that the korean woman "nana" just bribed them and bought the first rank with money!
and again we see indirect anti-semitism toward a beatulfu jewish woman
"entellect" says it all.
oh im sorry i meant entillect
but this is what is so wrong with our society
we concentrate on small details instead of the big problems
somethimes is can be helpful to zoom out and ignore them, becausethey will fix on their own
i noticed by you short comment you are just jealous
maybe because jews are working hard in isreal to fix their country in you are not?
Too ovbiously an intentionally stupid reply.
And you're right, I'm jealous. I never had the chance to live my life as an idiot. It must be quite an experience.
Oh, and I'll provide the obligitoiry: "Joos, Jews, Joooooos are bad."
I think that covers it.
obviously your reply is stupid like the 96% of your other replys are stupid too
and "olbligitory" is written "obligatory"
what i did was a mistake you are doing mistakes on purpose
you completely ruined the mood. if someone is russian they upvote him because he is ralative to putin like all other russians.
if someone is in israel they downvote him, even if he is the same relative to putin as a russian.
we are all belonging to human race and are relative to each other
even the worst and last in our world, like black people from africa and arabs are belonging to human race and we should treat them like they treat us!
Man, you are a collasal, repetive bore. I'm done with this thread.
its always like this...
all i did is stand up for a cuntry with a population of only 6.000.000 million people
and whole zh team attacks me
this thread was about trump not about isreal, but all you guys do is talking about trump and that he is good or bad for israel.
i couldn watch you guys bullying the weak jewish people in israel, who have do defend themselfs against daily attacks from criminal muslims.
and whenever there is someone bullied i will protect him! not like you
you can call me boring, you can call me stupid, you can climb a wall and start barking
but i am not stupid
are you for real ?
If you are, try not to take stuff too personal or too serious here.
Saint Augustine (Confessions):
if someone calls you stupid you would take it personal too. i will never make fun of other people if they make mistakes, instead i help them.
i know that many people on zh dont have friends, because of their alttitude towrds other people.
whenever there is something to boykott they will boykott it - it doesnt matter what
you for example citing a christian this is offensive
what would you think if someone would citing you the pedophile muhhamad?
i, for example, would not want someone to cite me pedo murderer revelations
'true entellect'??
Not sure if a troll or just stupid.
I was torn whether to upvote him for using a word "cuntry" to describe Israel..
Thanks for the advice, Dash-Boy.
3 weeks and 3 days of wisdom.
.
TROLL.
Fuck the Uniparty. Fuck the Saudis. And fuck Israel. They don't stand for me.
Here is a more serious article about Trump from Russian observers:
http://katehon.com/article/donald-trump-realist
an excerpt:
How did Donald Trump manage to become a realist? This is not the right question. The question, really, is why did the classical realist approach become marginal in the American political elite? Realism is based on common sense and a pragmatic, rational, and modernist vision of human nature. It is natural for anybody who has a power. If Trump’s argument is deemed to be eccentric, it means that there are problems with the consciousness of the American establishment and filled with myths and liberal dogmas… or it means America is ruled by somebody else, who represent another group, but not the US.
The basic distinction that marks realist political thought is not the moral dichotomy between good and evil, but a Schmittean distinction between friend and enemy. Evil Empires have no place on the realist map. A former foe can easily become an ally and vice-versa. The approach presumes that for any state there are no eternal friends and enemies, roles can change; only interests are more or less permanent. This approach that seems to be so tough is in fact more flexible then narrow-minded American liberal exceptionalism.
Donald Trump can bring to American foreign policy more tolerance and understanding of other powers, more openness to the outside world. The return from the policy of proliferation of democracy to good ol' power politics can make the world more stable. At least the US might behave more responsibly on the international stage
Hmm. The downvotes on here smelling like rotten fish.
Good link. Thx for the article.
Trumpbots remind me of the same low information voters who put obama in office
Obamabots put Barky into office after/because of Bush.
That a cartoon character like Donald Trump can even be considered for the Presidency of the USA,really tells you all you need to know..
That henry cuckoo considers Donald Trump a cartoon character really tells you all you need to know ... about the cuckoo,
As I have said, time and time again..we have, "The List."
The fuckers that have dominated media, politics, and corporate corruption for the past 25 years will not escape us.
They are doomed to fucking Hell.
I've been expecting that
Hey, Dumbass.
It's not about hating Obama because he's blackish.
HE'S A HORRIBLE PRESIDENT.
Not revenge.
.
DO YOU GET PAID TO DO THIS?
BECAUSE YOU ARE CLUELESS, LUTZ.
You can take the "revenge" meme and shove it. We are honorable, believe in the American values of our father's fathers, and do not lower ourselves to the level of mafia pigs like the Clintons and their ilk. We want JUSTICE. Give us justice, and we will be satisfied. The justice of our father's fathers and not what passes for justice in this watered down justice system.
Justice is what is needed... only the criminals running the country into the ground will call it revenge even if only simple but real justice. 15 years in prison, loss of all benefits for treason, and open to lawsuits from the people that bankrupt the corrupt is sweeter than simple mindless revenge and hurts them worse.
Justice is what people wanted after 2008. They got nothing...not a single prosecution, not even a token.
TPTB forgot a crucial rule. You HAVE to provide SOME sacrifice after a major boner like the financial crisis. You simply cannot DO something on that scale and expect to just slide away, with NOBODY going down...One of you guys had to take one for the team...that's the rule.
TPTB screwed up, and now, the people want revenge...fuck justice. It's been too long, no one cares about the 'rule of law' anymore, they can take their law and shove it, it's worthless.
When people finally take to the streets, it won't be the courtroom they demand for their oppressors. It will be the rope.
Lutz is a fat, suicidal, sneaker-wearing, attention-seeking, whiny millionaire who couldn't touch his toes if his life depended on it.
Not to be critical.
His Fox News bullshit with idiots turning knobs has to be one of the stupidist things I've ever endured.
In the spirit of the season, I'll paraphrase Mr. Hanky.... "Lutz can suck my tiny little balls."
Trump worshippers aren't just vengeful, they can't see the forest from the trees:
Trump's tax plan favors the wealthiest
But I guess there simply isn't anyone else to vote for, right? Plus, he's trying to make racism socially acceptable again! What's not to love about that??
Still doubting my words??
If Hillary is Democrats candidate? And Donald is Republicans candidate? Your next president is Donald.
Whether i hate both?or not? Doesn't matter. That would be the outcome.
The other candidates (R/D)? I can't read. But for those 2. The outcomes is so.. clear.
Americans ALWAYS punished rulling party that in their eyes, causing their miserable life. That's why you now gets an R majority Conggress AND Senates (can't you see it by now?).
The ONLY way for Hillary to win? Is ONE THING. If during these 2 presidential campaigns? A hidden video appears, showing donald mocking up the 99% establishment. It happens during obama 2nd terms campaign. And at that time. I told my colleagues, obama WILL GET his 2nd terms.
Yeah. Americans have such miserable lives. I get your point, but you invalidated it all with such a stupid phrase. They may be miserable in the future, but for now (and the for the past 80 years) the misery index has been quite low.
Don't care at all who wrote this, it's obvious...
TRUMP 2016!
Mr. Trump has the potential to be the worst President this country has ever seen and he also has the potential to be the best. No matter what, he won't fall half way between. Personally, I would favor the latter possibility.
At least he'll be trying to do the best for the America people because he loves the nation, unlike the current occupant who hates it.
Precisely so.
This guy is a paid actor.
Does everybody really believe everything he says?
Really?
Revenge is right. As soon as Trump is elected in the land slide, let's start the treason trials and executions of everyone in BO's administration.
...and the Bush Jr., Clinton and Bush Sr. administrations.
Understand, that Trump is not a phenomenon unto itself. There is a faction within the Pentagon, that is gaining power, and its boy is [at least, appears to be] -- Trump ..
Now it behooves us all to tune in into this America-firster's faction apparently growing in power and influence in the high reaches of our present known govt.
So it does appear to have a beginning with these Intel Cowboys. People not necessarily from America, or not Americans. Why would they care about America, and the future of it? Why would Trump be their boy? Who else right now? Perhaps it was Perot at one time, and the operation was a failure. Or was it? Is Perot still possibly active, working behind the scenes? Could Trump be actually Perot's idea? His suggestion. Could Reagan had something to do with this back then? Perot was definitely part of Reagan's plan when he was alive. Lee Wanta will confirm that much to you ..
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/11/the-intel-cowboys/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/12/20/very-very-bad-things/
And you think it just an interesting coincidence that Trump is Putin's boy? That is, they appear to like each other. Putin, the former GRU Lt. Col. The former Vice Premier under Gorbachev. Very much a part of the inception of the Russian Federation brokered between the remnants of the USSR and the USA, under Reagan's agent -- Lee Wanta. I propose along with Wanta, Putin is one of these Intel Cowboys ..
So, you think the purported Trump voter is up in arms? You think they are more PISSED than the Intel Cowboy?
https://app.box.com/s/hfgvcqg7gqh7i27at6sv53ywu87lwarp (Read Me First)
^^^^^^ You sound like such an optimist . Hope you are right BUT historical precident says otherwise
By Frank Luntz? Oy, another self-loathing Jew. Gee, thanks buddy- for making life harder than it already is. Putz!
This lickspittal screed is to damn typical. Kiss the ass of the ruling class. Sniff the klingons of the empowered oligarchy. Throw aspersions on the citizen soldiers. Frankly- go fuck yourself you unmarried (?!!) turd.
This "writing" drips with nods to the people who pay you, you damn kike. Just when will it be that you have a "change of view" and asceed to the new check writers?
Trump made an asshole of you this year- yet your milquetoast half-ass still thinks your bread gets shitbuttered by the current powers that be. Man are you a fucking shill retard.
Another opportunist sucking the last dregs of the rotted Washington elite's rancid milk.
There will- mark my words- there WILL come a day when you conspirators longing for a last draft of swill- at the expense of the producing class- pay the ultimate price. You have plundered good, honorable, honest and trusting people for too long. You will collapse under the weight of your own upside down shit pyramid, and there will be none that mourn for you.
By Frank Luntz? Oy, another self-loathing Jew. Gee, thanks buddy- for making life harder than it already is. Putz!
This lickspittal screed is to damn typical. Kiss the ass of the ruling class. Sniff the klingons of the empowered oligarchy. Throw aspersions on the citizen soldiers. Frankly- go fuck yourself you unmarried (?!!) turd.
This "writing" drips with nods to the people who pay you, you damn kike. Just when will it be that you have a "change of view" and asceed to the new check writers?
Trump made an asshole of you this year- yet your milquetoast half-ass still thinks your bread gets shitbuttered by the current powers that be. Man are you a fucking shill retard.
Another opportunist sucking the last dregs of the rotted Washington elite's rancid milk.
There will- mark my words- there WILL come a day when you conspirators longing for a last draft of swill- at the expense of the producing class- pay the ultimate price. You have plundered good, honorable, honest and trusting people for too long. You will collapse under the weight of your own upside down shit pyramid, and there will be none that mourn for you.
It is far simpler to me.
I just need to ask myself one question, Do I want to look like the slack jawed dribbling sanctimonious retarded fuck wit libtard moronic PC raddled cunts that voted for a fucking whoring faggot Kenyan monkey or will vote for that depraved clit-cunt or would I prefer to look like a Trump voter.
No matter the almost all the rest of the GOP field are fucking obumboys and clit-cunt painted a different color to try to fool you, we still need to pick the winner who will bring justice hopefully to the real Americans by arresting, trying, then hanging the fucking corrupt fuckers for treason, and he might just get as popular as Putin
You, sir, are the master of adjectives. I'm humbled!
^^^^ Agreed ! Unfortunately, I have to admit that for a lowbrow he has a few valid points
John McCain?
The difference between Donald and the likes of Perot and Palin -- these eventually were silenced by donors and handlers and cronies. The Donald is not beholden to these ilk -- he's self made and self financing. He does not need to bend to their whims, and he apparently won't. It's easily one of the most attractive aspects of his candidacy.
Lutz is a putz.
Previously competent and even insightful, he doesn't grok the Trump thing at all and is acting like your average RINO. He has vascillated a little over the past few weeks, but this is a full collapse.
This "angry" talk is bullshit, an attempt to deny that there are real issues simply being recognized by real voters who want real action. If the only way to get action is by electing an imbecile like Trump, it is still objectively a good decision, Hobson's choice.
Put Lutz down in the collapsed column with Andrew Sullivan, George Will, David Brooks, David Frum, and however many others you care to name.
^^^^^^ Agreed !
Good use of grok. Two thumbs up.
Good analysis of the assklown author of this shite column. Another two thumbs up.
from thehill.com ... Trump eviscerates Hillary:
Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump late Saturday blasted the announcement that former President Bill Clinton will campaign for his wife, Hillary Clinton.
The real estate mogul said the former president has a “penchant for sexism” in a tweet.
The Democratic front-runner said in an interview last week that Trump has “a penchant for sexism” after the billionaire said she “got schlonged” in losing to then-Sen. Barack Obama in 2008.
<-- Trump/Isreal
<-- Trump is real
trump is totally anti mid east wars so he is, therefore, antisemitic.
^^^^ OK Rainman
it is all about anger with the Political elite, such as the vacuuming up of all information about everybody simply for powers sake, even when it is known that such actions are an affront to the people and have not stopped a single terrorist attack, it is simply ignored and done anyhow, it is anger at the hundreds and hundreds of Billions that Washington has given to the Politically connected and filthy rich while strip mining the economy of anything of value.
It is rage at the knowledge that when it all topples over those who have completely destroyed the economy will be bailed out again, pay paltry fines and live happily ever after with their stolen Billions of dollars, nobody goes to jail, all they get is a pat on the back, it is rage at a mainstream media that has been bought and paid for many times over and has just become a mouth piece for the 1%. It is Fury that every other candidate other than Trump is simply a puppet for the corporations that control them, and lets not get started on the millions and millions of jobs that have been destroyed and sent to China so the corporate rich can amass even more wealth.
Not very surprising that Trump is doing so well.
I agree with everything you just said.
But I just can't see how Trump (who is a student of everything you object to) is the answer.
But, who knows?
He is not the answer. There is no answer. Thinking he can change anything is delusional.
Like a drug addict, the USA must hit rock bottom before recovery can begin. Bon voyage!
Yeah, but think of what fun we'll have!
He said something outrageous? “He’s simply raising an important issue nobody else has the courage to talk about.” He insulted someone? “That’s just him campaigning. He won’t do that as president.” He changed his position? “That was a long time ago. Everyone’s entitled to change their mind.” He doesn’t have many policy specifics? “He doesn’t need them. He’ll surround himself with smart people.” They will justify any action, explain away any contradiction, and dismiss any criticism because they are so personally and passionately invested in him.--article above
All that can be said of Obama and his communists. And not believing Obama a Christian, or an American...that's just facing reality.
Trump is the modern Solon of Athens. He's whipping up the masses to force his way into the oligarchy.
more fear and loathing of the trump card. lutz can't even ironically evaluate his own part of the antimsm wave.
I feel like I'm the only person who knows that both of trumps daughters married into Jewish families. One who's father went to jail for rigging elections.
^^^^Maybe you are
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-says-he-will-visit-israel-very-soon...
A little light reading.
http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/1.670145
You guys don't fucking get it. I don't really give a flying fuck about all that. The fucking demicans are handing Hillary the fucking crown like she's an anointed goddess. Show me another nominee in US history who felt as entitled to the thrown as that whore. FUCK HILLARY.
I don't really give a flying FUCK how many neocons and Zionists are on Trump's team. You know why? Trump's making promises to the wrong fucking crowd at the wrong time in history. The candidate who promises to stop funding Israel is the candidate who gets Ron Pauled or Ross Peroted. The Zionists have an unbreakable hold on the US political system that only a military man can convincingly break. And where are those fucking traitors? All cashing in at Xi or consulting for the MIC.
So go ahead and do whatever you think you have to do. Go throw your vote for that fucking cunt Hillary and her scumbag husband. You might want to consider spending more time on Huffpo and rubbing elbows with your LGBTXQZ tribe mates, muslim lovers, H-1B apologists and La Raza.
FUCK THEM.
Stop with the "lesser of two evils" thing. Don't vote. Don't participate. Down tools.
Revenge, Justice, Restitution is all the same thing. It's come down to who and how its carried out.
To me the french revolution was revenge and I want the same thing.
Let THEM eat cake with a noose around their neck........or no neck.
This post seems to imply that Donald Trump is not a part of the business "establishment". Maybe the weed I scored today was too good because I'm having an extremely difficult time wrapping my mind around that one. What if this is all just theater and the deep state wants Trump to lead America for the next Great War? I predict the anti-establishment, libertarianism will be as fleeing as the hope and change. Don't jump fully on this bandwagon without thinking it through.
There is certainly anger against the Ryan-O budget deal but there is also a simmering anger that the establishment Republicans are letting all of Hillary's atrocities 'slide' by -- with Trump as the only real hope to bring them up in the campaign.
No shit Sherlock. Lutz the putz is just figuring this out? Bought and paid for shill for the RNC.
All I know is when I see the RINO's, the Looney Democrats and the LameStream Media...Fucking Freaking Out...I say, "Pass the Popcorn...this is getting good!"
Spock, beam me up some popcorn.
The author of this essay is a jackass.
Trump 2016 or divided, paralyzed Fedgov.
I'd love a divided and paralyzed .gov.
Look at the game tape!
There's just one problem: it doesn't matter who gets elected. The president does what he's told... or else. And the same people give the orders to Dems and Repubs. After 16 years of Bushbama, I would think this is common knowledge.
I don't think that anyone is going to tell Trump what to do.
It'd be interesting to see which percentage of ex-Perot Voters are gunning for Mr. Trump. Had Mr. Perot won, we would have kept more jobs In-Country, pulled out of Iraq early, and (going out on a limb here), probably would have sent honest people (instead of the IMF Monetarists who were enacting the Wolfowitz Doctine of their Day) to help out Russia during its transition from the Soviet Economic System.
No more NATO, bring home more Troops, lease out/store heavy Military Gear with the Friendlies, Offshore Oil/NatGas Drilling in CONUS, more Nuke Plants/Solar Farms, and 'Murica Energy Sufficient, with 'Muricans workers providing most/all of its energy requirements. Probably reduce the H-1b Program and IT Offshoring incentives, too.
PetroDollar or not, we probably could have been self sufficient enough to weather it, other countries would have wanted the USD for its Value instead of it being the "only PetroToken in Town", and we as a Country would be investing heavily on Trade Deals that help others help themselves.
Allow me my Fantasies; but this is something that some of us expect a Washington Outsider would try to accomplish, instead of playing some FUBAR'd Game of RISK to take over the World and keep many in ruin just to keep control and collect interest and rent.
"It'd be interesting to see which percentage of ex-Perot Voters are gunning for Mr. Trump."
Many ex-Buchanan voters will be gunning for the Donald, too. Based on what he has written about Donald Trump so far, Pat himself seems to be supporting Trump's candidacy .
Stupid people learn nothing from history. The Lenin/Bolshevik example should serve to warn Trump (and other candidates) supporters about jumping from the frying pan into the fire. The ONLY real choice one has in this coming elect a Congressperson that is NOT a sociopath and that they only get ONE term. Their representative should also be allowed to resign honorably after one full session of Congress due to the stink and the slime encounted in Washington D.C., which is many times worse than the smog in China. If that can't be done, violence will be the only answer. God (any of them) help us if it comes to that.
You said it all in 2 words mate = ONE TERM
I say burn them all to the ground, leave not a one standing. A complete wipe out of all legislators not just the three branches, but all states branches as well, as total overhaul. Just like we did with the carriers every few years. Strip them down to the core and start fresh.
Trump lost my vote when he turned to piece of shit Israel Firster neocon fuckeit maniacs who have been wrong about everything over and over.
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/08/donald-trump-i-get-my-military-advice
http://www.politico.eu/article/trump-takes-on-world-foreign-policy-us-el...
John fucking Bolton, boys?
http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/07/27/israel-s-man-at-the-un/
Really? That's okay?
No matter who you cast your useless votes for, it's the same fucking guy, innit?
I agree with all that. But I'd shoot myself in the face before I vote for that fucking Hillary crackwhore and that derelict fucking scumbag husband of hers.
This is what these cocksuckers want. To give you NO OPTIONS. The electorate is being played like a cheap fiddle.
I see what you mean.
There really is no choice is there!
And he is too arrogant, narcissistic, egotistical, crude and ignorant to realize that Putin is probably just playing with him and the US election process generally.
After all any good word about Putin from a popular figure undermines otherwise blanket MSM vilification.
This is not common knowledge. This is lazy conspiracy theory and how boring it is to hear it again and again. No proof, no names, no nada. Please. So hush hush, global (involving Rothschilds and other European billionaire families) and evil it is, too. Right?
What's not common knowledge? Read The Controversy of Zion by Douglass Reed, 1956 for a primer. Then there are the articles by Henry Ford, The International Jew written 35 years earlier. Then read The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, written circa 1907, but not translated and published in English until 1920 or so. Somebody also posted here on ZH a comprehensive set of reference material that traces back to the 1960s the start of the Jewish neocon movement. This is merely the tip of the iceberg of infinite facts to support the basic zio conspiracy to finish up on their NWO wet dream. This drive for NWO, which boils down to a centralized global government run by Jews, is the primary root of a lot of modern trouble. Each of my references have extensive bibliographies. Read them and we can talk later about there being no evidence.
I don't want revenge. I want to bring the criminals and traitors to REAL justice which would not be necessary if the Law in the United States of America were equally and impartially enforced.
well you live in a make believe world...the "Justice System" is bought and paid for....and so are the results you get. I live in the Midwest...a buddy of mine went to a party a few years back and ended up in a bathroom at his buddies house fucking some chick he meet there. A few hours later she is crying and saying her raped her...it turned into a FULL out fight for his life. He was looking at a extended term in prison...he went a hour away to a much bigger city and hired a VERY high profile Attorney to defend him. It went to trial...in the end he was found NOT guilty...BUT it was 2 years of hell, cost him 250k in legal fees and esentially destroyed his life....but he did NOT go to prison. The Prosecutor looked him right in the eye after it was all over and told him "you bought your way out of this"....YES he did Sir....yes he did.
Dismantle the aristocracy, dismantle the bureaucracy. "Government" is rule by the aristocracy, using bureaucracy to make people think it is somehow fair.
Signs of the times...
Its all similar to Germany , pre-World war
While economy is in doldrums
all you need is 'The Great DIctator'
BULLSHIT. revenge is the last on the list of things people want, what people want is the rule of law and the constitution defended. they want the crooks and criminals brought to justice, and common sense and doing whats best for America brought back to government.
Linz is a total shill for the Establishment Republicans. Has been trying to sabatoge Trump since he got in the race in July.
"What people want is the rule of law and the constitution defended." --dexter_morgan
No they don't, though I truly admire your brand of wishful thinking. I'll bet nine Americans in ten couldn't tell you a thing about the Constitution. What Americans want is television, strip malls, and cheap gas until the end of time.
Bullshit. That meme is getting old. That may be true in the downtrodden metro welfare regions but not the electorate as a whole. Truth is, that line of thinking and prose is just another blatant lie the haters want everybody to believe so they just give up.
Out of all the people I talk to about the Donald, it appears to me that everybody likes him for a slightly different reason. As for me, I'll go with the "revenge" tag. Trump is my personal Nuke fired at the Republican establishment.
Nice Piece on Ron Paul:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_WBo4sfmi4
Even the GOPee (mainly Romney) and the MSM Monkeys were stabbing him in the Back. The GOP - and the DNC are FUBAR'd IMHO. People are going to vote for Trump - because he can't be easily bought. His daughter's affinity to Judaism may carry well, unless some race haters among the Jewish bait and taunt her away. They may go easy on her, since she's a Dame - married to a Jewish Man.
I wouldn't mind seeing a Webb/Paul Presidential Ticket. Both Vets. Both Experienced in Congress. Sen Webb has Cabinet Experience.
"This" is my Dream Ticket. Not too late. Add Ventura to the Cabinet somehow; and this may be our way out of this mess.
On the other hand, a Webb/Paul Ticket may be a way for the Southeast_USA or simply, Texas - to Leave the Union; and start off afresh. If I were staying in the USA, I'd probably hop on that Webb/Paul Ticket; but since I'm a Northern/Deep Ocean and Temperate Zone kind of Guy, I'll just salute and wish them well.