Montel Williams Calls For "Shoot To Kill" In Oregon Showdown; Militiamen Respond They Are "Ready To Fight"
In the latest development in the ongoing saga of Ammon Bundy's seizure of a Federal wildlife reuge office in Oregon, the members of the militia said they're ready to fight, but they won't say what they would actually do if federal authorities try to remove them by force as reported in the clip below.
However, while we noted the shortcomings in Bundy's latest standoff last night, what is even more notable is that as Shepard Ambellas of Intellihub points out, Montel Williams he tweeted that the National Guard should be mobilized to “kill” protesters who have currently overtaken the federal building in Burns, Oregon.
Then let's give them some - put this down using National Guard with shoot to kill orders. https://t.co/KSzUZzUor6
— Montel Williams (@Montel_Williams) January 3, 2016
Moreover USA Today has reported that “militia members used the ranchers as a ruse,” in what I and others feel may be the planed catalyst to start a civil war in America.
Monday, Rick Jervis wrote:
The Oregon sheriff whose county is at the heart of an anti-government call-to-arms said Sunday the group occupying a national wildlife refuge came to town under false pretenses.
Sheriff David Ward said protesters came to Harney County, in southeastern Oregon, “claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers.” In reality, he said, “these men had alternative motives to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States.”
In a statement issued Sunday afternoon, Ward said he was working with local and federal authorities to resolve the situation as quickly and peacefully as possible.
Intellihub adds that its staff has identified a few suspicious individuals who claim to stand with the militants which may attempt to provocateur, escalate, the situation further. As we noted last night, this also is a distinct possibility.
Finally, in an interesting tangent, the WaPo, which admits that there "are gun rights issues, religious overtones, broad strains of anti-government sentiment and even the tactics of the Occupy Wall Street movement" as underlying motives behind the seizure, focuses on "very particular question of how much land the government controls in the state -- the same question that animated the dispute with rancher Cliven Bundy in Nevada two years ago -- and that helped motivate Bundy's son Ammon to take a lead role in the Oregon standoff."
It then provides several charts, alongside the following analysis, to show this curious aspect of what may be the core motive behind Bundy's actions. To wit:
More than half of Oregon is owned by the federal government, with a large percentage of that land owned by the Bureau of Land Management -- an agency widely reviled in the West and known by its acronym, BLM. (Ammon Bundy was forced to clarify on Twitter that his use of "BLM" didn't refer to the Black Lives Matter movement.) Data from the U.S. Geological Survey shows the amount of federal land in the state.
(This map and the ones below only show areas of 600 or more acres held by the government.)
The takeover occurred near Malheur Lake, at a building that's part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. That lake is at the upper center of the BLM's map of the surrounding area, which shows just how much is controlled by the government. (The original protests over the Hammonds' sentencing began in Burns, Ore.)
Part of the issue is that there isn't much population in the eastern part of the state. Mapping Oregon's population, you can see Portland and a corridor near the coast, which is about it. The area around the wildlife refuge has almost no population.
There's a historic link between population and federal land ownership. In 2012, the Congressional Research Service looked at the history of tensions between the government and the population out West -- particularly ranchers and farmers who, like the Hammonds and Bundys, use federal land for grazing and other purposes.
Early in the history of the country, the government took over land that was then distributed to citizens for farming and economic growth. As the United States expanded westward, the land was increasingly inhospitable, including the Rockies and the deserts of Nevada and Utah. By the end of the 19th century, a new focus was placed on conserving the land, with Yellowstone becoming the first national park in 1872. At that point, very few people lived in the area, as this 1890 Census Bureau map suggests.
Over the course of the 20th century, the government's emphasis shifted away from releasing the land to private citizens and toward managing it itself. The passage of 1976's Federal Land Policy and Management Act made that policy concrete, keeping the land as the property of the government. After the federal government's shift, there was a push from some in the West, including governors and members of Congress, to shift control from the federal to the state or local government. The Sagebrush Rebellion, as it was known, tapered off during the relative friendly administration of Ronald Reagan.
The longstanding political and legal dispute was summarized in more depth by the conservative Heritage Foundation, but the Congressional Research Service makes one additional point that's important to consider.
"From the earliest days," the CRS researchers write, "these policy views took on East/West overtones, with easterners more likely to view the lands as national public property, and westerners more likely to view the lands as necessary for local use and development."
That's one reason for the objection from Westerners. The other is that the lock-down on the land came after the East was heavily settled but before the West had been. In the East, land was turned over to farmers. In the West, settled later in the country's history, there were fewer people to hand it to.
Compare the Dakotas to Oregon, for example. In 1910, here's how the population was distributed. Even the Dakotas had pockets of population.
It's still sparsely populated.
But very little of the land is federal.
On that 1910 map, notice that Nevada has very little population -- thanks in part to its landscape being even less hospitable than the Dakotas. Its population is still small, save Reno and Las Vegas.
The vast majority of the land -- including the land around the Bundy ranch -- is owned by the government to this day.
The conclusion: "The fight isn't new, as the Congressional Research Service report notes. What's new is the way in which the broader political moment has cross-pollinated with longstanding objections to how the government manages land out West. The takeover in Oregon has its roots in the Sagebrush Rebellion. They way it's being manifested, though, is as modern as it gets."
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It remains to be seen if the National Guard will take up Montel on his "shoot to kill" advice.
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They ran away with tails between legs. Some goons.
If the BLMs response during the Bundy ranch incident was indicative of the efficacy of the training they had received, than I'd say that there isn't much to worry about
and he seemed like such a nice, fake guy.
Uggh??? Montel Williams is STILL around?
WOW! I thought that crack-head had croaked years ago!
Montel and his ilk have been goaded by Barry, Holder, Farrakhan and Snapton for years and he like many of his bros, are snapping upstairs, becoming irrational when incited to say these rayciss statements.
Blacks, latinos, rednecks..... I don't care. These fuckheads need to learn that you don't take up arms against the Feds.
Give these jackasses excactly one chance to surrender peacefully, and then shoot holes in anybody stupid enough not to do it.
Donald, is that you?
Cheez, what an idiot. Listen, discuss, negotiate, settle for the betterment of all. Start shooting and you end up like the Middle-East.
What rock do you screw-balls live under?
How does that boot taste? Does your tongue get callouses?
ZH member for three weeks already? Why are you here?
If you´re gonna use maps, use them to follow the money honey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpkm6iSd--c
Interesting read with the background on the case. There is a lot more to this story than what the media is telling us.
http://www.conspiracyoutpost.com/topic/6469-full-story-on-what’s-going-on-in-oregon-education-time/
ONLY hearing the government's side (made up) - isn't that always the case?
Sheriff Dave Ward at 3 p.m. press conference to these clowns: "Go home"
Vietnam Vet to these thugs: get the fuck out of Oregon.
Prove it. What's pu-tang?
Why don't the nigger Montel Williams volunteer with the Oregon National Guard and lead them to go and rouse out those occupiers? It's so easy for coward progressive commies like Williams to volunteer others to go and get killed for them but all they do is open their garlic breath and cower under their beds when going gets tough. Most of those occupiers are armed if not all...besides most of them are combat veterans. You let the BLM, ATF, FBI and NG to go and get them, when most of them are just domestic tyrants who've never seen real combat.
Lock Montel in a rubber room and throw away the key.
Let's run a terrorism checklist, defined as being the unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments for ideological or political reasons.
Unlawful use of force against property - yes
Unlawful threatened use of violence against people (law enforcement including Sheriff David Ward) - yes
Organized group - yes
Intimidating society - yes
Coercing governments - yes
Doing this crap for ideological/political reasons - yes
black and/or Muslim - no
Obviously not terrorists.
OMFG
Burning Buildings NO
Looting NO
Destroying property NO
Plotting to Destroy American Citizens NO
A threat to anyone at the moment NO
Preventing Commerce NO
PISSED ABOUT AN UNJUST LEGAL SYSTEM YES!
WTF?
Being a Vet Im shocked your so Naive? Havent been FUCKED enough by UNCLE SHAM? No? Give it time... You really must be one of the few brave ones. You still have faith in the system, dont you?
I have stamina too.
He's a bitter drafted hippy, who burned his ribbons and spit on vets in SF airport.
There are not many people who I really dont like, but those who spit on Vets have no fucking clue. I cant imagine?
Oh I can imagine.
News flash. Not a real Vet. Anybody on the internet can say they are God if they want to. That doesn't make it so. In this case, what are we left with? Empirical evidence. Empirical evidence says ... not real. Proably posting from bankster bought equipment.
You're a .gov paid troll. Fuck off!
The founders of this country that put their riches, property and lives on the line so you have the freedom to type that asshole post you just wrote could be called terrorists too eh? They put more on the line that you would ever dream of. You wouldn't even have the guts to give up anything for anything you believe in. Sooo...
Again... FUCK OFF!
So, what you're saying in that the Founding Fathers were "terrorists". And John Brown, I might add. Or the entire Union army, for that matter.
The Harney County Sheriff was apparently elected under fals pretenses..time for a recall.
montel makes southern racists water cannoning the negros look downright humane
Give ol' Monty a gun and a badge and send his ass out there to fix that, Rambo style. Then we'll see what he's really made of.
Montel Williams? Seriously?!? Yeah, right - he's someone I'd pay attention to.
Really?!?
Fuck Montel Williams, he's so fucking irrelevant and corrupt. I've seen his stupid ass shilling for short-term payday lenders, scum of the earth.
If it were a bunch of thugs burning down a city then Montel would request that the Mayor issue stand down order but desires to murder what he considers right wingers.
So predictable from darkies.
somebody needs to send montel an invitation to a necktie party.
Montel should be arrested for terroristic threatening and incitement to violence. The new terror rules must apply equally to all, right? Public calls for murder are illegal, even if you are supporting State murder.
I guess that nigger montel has been a media non-entity for so long he just had to say something stupid to get on the radar again.
Hey montel... watch out for those nooses. They can be attached to drones now-a-days....
This land is your land, this land is my land!! From California to the blah blah blah blah
This land aint your land, this land aint my land....The government thinks its their land, which makes its our land. Hopefully you can keep your land and I can keep my land...Our government bureaucrats SUCK for you and me!
Montel, sure, and let's just kill all them criminal niggers, too! Can I get a yeah-yeah?!?
Wouldn't that be illegal?
Ah who cares, we can get around those pesky rules with an executive order or two. Bring out the drones!
Wouldn't be the first american citizens denied due process by the chimpinator.
Don't know if anyone already commented that the reason was the feds charged the hamonds as terrorists for letting a prescribed burn go over on BLM land. Anyway. Those guys are leaving one way or another. But the hamonds reported to prison for 5 hr sentences. Yes the fed prosecutor and blm forced this. It is too bad they can't let people alone. Guess what black lives matter should join them since the struggle is apparently government over reach.
Why the hell is Montell Williams death baiting? That isn't very nice of him.
Did someone ask your opinion Montel? Shut the Fuck Up and go back to hawking that rubber in a can!
And of course, Ole hypocrite Montel didn`t advocate the same be done to the labor union goons who invaded and occupied and deficated the Wisconsin capitol building, several years ago, did he?.......
No, he just wants white conservatives killed by the government......
Montel is a racist........
<-- Evil America needs a reboot
I urge americans to grab & loot nuclear stockpile
get hands on fissile material
any school student knows how to make a nuclear bomb
have nuclear weapon & let US govt cringe
and the least u can do
is to strapon half kg of radioactive material
on any explosive and set it off
near US politicians , govt building , FBI, Police
and watch them get irradiated
& why not use drones
to sprinkle the holy dust
of radiation
Lighten up, Francis...
I think I speak for many when I say I believe I'll just stick to writing to my Congressman...
Maybe that's my problem...I've always lacked passion.
Why doesn't the .gov focus on the real blacklives(dont)matter terrorists who are actually doing real damage?
Oh I forgot, we have a family of spooks haunting the blackhouse (in dire need of an exorcism) and a shitskin in the dept. of injustice.
Hypocrisy abounds when niggers are involved.
Clusterfuck nation, It has become.
Montel, who?
Montel William was arrested by police for carry drugs paraphernalia at both Milwaukee(2011) and Detroit(2003) AIRPORTs...
In 2010, His own kids said their dad had "abandoned them emotionally and physically." Furthermore, they when on to state publically "he's not making the best choices as a parent."
William's family are all friends of Obama and his family.
Clearly, Williams is a TeamObama nutter...
Montel tossed Steve Harvey's salad.
I keep seeing comments around the web stating that it's the "American people's land"!! Wtf?? It sure as hell isn't my land. I can't believe people really believe that nonsense....