Montel Williams Calls For "Shoot To Kill" In Oregon Showdown; Militiamen Respond They Are "Ready To Fight"
In the latest development in the ongoing saga of Ammon Bundy's seizure of a Federal wildlife reuge office in Oregon, the members of the militia said they're ready to fight, but they won't say what they would actually do if federal authorities try to remove them by force as reported in the clip below.
However, while we noted the shortcomings in Bundy's latest standoff last night, what is even more notable is that as Shepard Ambellas of Intellihub points out, Montel Williams he tweeted that the National Guard should be mobilized to “kill” protesters who have currently overtaken the federal building in Burns, Oregon.
Then let's give them some - put this down using National Guard with shoot to kill orders. https://t.co/KSzUZzUor6
— Montel Williams (@Montel_Williams) January 3, 2016
Moreover USA Today has reported that “militia members used the ranchers as a ruse,” in what I and others feel may be the planed catalyst to start a civil war in America.
Monday, Rick Jervis wrote:
The Oregon sheriff whose county is at the heart of an anti-government call-to-arms said Sunday the group occupying a national wildlife refuge came to town under false pretenses.
Sheriff David Ward said protesters came to Harney County, in southeastern Oregon, “claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers.” In reality, he said, “these men had alternative motives to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States.”
In a statement issued Sunday afternoon, Ward said he was working with local and federal authorities to resolve the situation as quickly and peacefully as possible.
Intellihub adds that its staff has identified a few suspicious individuals who claim to stand with the militants which may attempt to provocateur, escalate, the situation further. As we noted last night, this also is a distinct possibility.
Finally, in an interesting tangent, the WaPo, which admits that there "are gun rights issues, religious overtones, broad strains of anti-government sentiment and even the tactics of the Occupy Wall Street movement" as underlying motives behind the seizure, focuses on "very particular question of how much land the government controls in the state -- the same question that animated the dispute with rancher Cliven Bundy in Nevada two years ago -- and that helped motivate Bundy's son Ammon to take a lead role in the Oregon standoff."
It then provides several charts, alongside the following analysis, to show this curious aspect of what may be the core motive behind Bundy's actions. To wit:
More than half of Oregon is owned by the federal government, with a large percentage of that land owned by the Bureau of Land Management -- an agency widely reviled in the West and known by its acronym, BLM. (Ammon Bundy was forced to clarify on Twitter that his use of "BLM" didn't refer to the Black Lives Matter movement.) Data from the U.S. Geological Survey shows the amount of federal land in the state.
(This map and the ones below only show areas of 600 or more acres held by the government.)
The takeover occurred near Malheur Lake, at a building that's part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. That lake is at the upper center of the BLM's map of the surrounding area, which shows just how much is controlled by the government. (The original protests over the Hammonds' sentencing began in Burns, Ore.)
Part of the issue is that there isn't much population in the eastern part of the state. Mapping Oregon's population, you can see Portland and a corridor near the coast, which is about it. The area around the wildlife refuge has almost no population.
There's a historic link between population and federal land ownership. In 2012, the Congressional Research Service looked at the history of tensions between the government and the population out West -- particularly ranchers and farmers who, like the Hammonds and Bundys, use federal land for grazing and other purposes.
Early in the history of the country, the government took over land that was then distributed to citizens for farming and economic growth. As the United States expanded westward, the land was increasingly inhospitable, including the Rockies and the deserts of Nevada and Utah. By the end of the 19th century, a new focus was placed on conserving the land, with Yellowstone becoming the first national park in 1872. At that point, very few people lived in the area, as this 1890 Census Bureau map suggests.
Over the course of the 20th century, the government's emphasis shifted away from releasing the land to private citizens and toward managing it itself. The passage of 1976's Federal Land Policy and Management Act made that policy concrete, keeping the land as the property of the government. After the federal government's shift, there was a push from some in the West, including governors and members of Congress, to shift control from the federal to the state or local government. The Sagebrush Rebellion, as it was known, tapered off during the relative friendly administration of Ronald Reagan.
The longstanding political and legal dispute was summarized in more depth by the conservative Heritage Foundation, but the Congressional Research Service makes one additional point that's important to consider.
"From the earliest days," the CRS researchers write, "these policy views took on East/West overtones, with easterners more likely to view the lands as national public property, and westerners more likely to view the lands as necessary for local use and development."
That's one reason for the objection from Westerners. The other is that the lock-down on the land came after the East was heavily settled but before the West had been. In the East, land was turned over to farmers. In the West, settled later in the country's history, there were fewer people to hand it to.
Compare the Dakotas to Oregon, for example. In 1910, here's how the population was distributed. Even the Dakotas had pockets of population.
It's still sparsely populated.
But very little of the land is federal.
On that 1910 map, notice that Nevada has very little population -- thanks in part to its landscape being even less hospitable than the Dakotas. Its population is still small, save Reno and Las Vegas.
The vast majority of the land -- including the land around the Bundy ranch -- is owned by the government to this day.
The conclusion: "The fight isn't new, as the Congressional Research Service report notes. What's new is the way in which the broader political moment has cross-pollinated with longstanding objections to how the government manages land out West. The takeover in Oregon has its roots in the Sagebrush Rebellion. They way it's being manifested, though, is as modern as it gets."
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It remains to be seen if the National Guard will take up Montel on his "shoot to kill" advice.
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MsCreant, We even provided documentation to the House Ways and Means Committee.
The political system is beyond repair, sir.
With all due respect, sir, there is no procedural method that will make this any better.
Roget that MsCreant.
I should also claify that I watch this individual throught the media. I would never associate with an idiot like that. Wasn't sure if that was clear or not.
Thanks Lumberjack. Very interesting. Stay safe (-;
Same to you ;-)
It is all about time.
Lone Wolf Tactics are best employed without any advance warning when the shit goes down.
Guerilla Warfare is asymetric and has historically been demonstrated to have the ability to defeat large, organized and modernized Armed Forces through attrition and by demoralizzation..
Do not join groups or Militias. Known units are already infiltrated.
A Lone Wolf can provide diversion from Militia Ops as Loyalist forces will be fragmented while searching out Lone Wolves.
You do all know that your backsides are covered by discrete Lone Wolves. (I know that mine is.)
High Value Targeting (Fuel, Power, Logistics, Transportation and Ammo Dumps), Pyrotechnic and Demolition education, combined with a rudimentary knowledge of diversionary tactics are key to developing affective Lone Wolf agents.
What you know may be useful. But what you teach is a Force Multiplier.
I hope that you all have paid attention.
The only rights that you have are those that you are willing to fight for, and, if it comes right down to it, thse you are willing to die for.
Remember. Most patriots that fought in the Revolutionary War died pennieless and broke.
Are you willing to sacrifice and realize that fate if necessary?
If my workplace...well...
I am not comfortable either.
False flag right before Barry's gun grab EO.
Or, something has to be the catalyst for martial law, and suspension of the november election...
Martial law lol they would be soooo entertaining
It would be great TV...
You were right about keeping "cool heads" Bill of Rights. This is starting to stink to high hell.
Thanks for the Ritzheimer link. I guess he missed the section in The First Amendment about Freedom of Religion.
No need to suspend elections when they count the votes
Obummer wouldn't be eligible to run.
Obama doesn't want to be president any longer. He wants to retire and play golf the rest of his life. He did what he was told to do for 8 years and now he want's his payday. I'd say he is an expensive prostitute, but I wouldn't want to insult prostitutes. He has no morality or ethics.
He never has been President, just pretender to the throne.
And that's different from what he's done everyday how?
Obummer wouldn't be eligible? Where have you been these last eight years? Obummer was never eligible to run. Naturalized citizens can not be POTUS.
"Or, something has to be the catalyst for martial law, and suspension of the november election..."
Ah yes, martial law, as opposed to the shit show we have now.
THIS-->Tom Servo: "False flag before Barry's gun grab"<--THIS
My "William Cooper-Esque" prediction:
1. Feds kill Oregon Protesters
2. Feds light off a False Flag explosion
3. Feds blame Patriots for False Flag
4. Feds pass new 2000 page anti-rights bill
5. Feds use bill to lawfully kill patriots
This feels just like Ruby Ridge again, with a fed shooting spree and another Okahoma City Bombing hoax to follow, leading to the passage of Joe Biddn's 1996 pre-patriot act as the desired result.
Use of laws to combat enemy: lawfare
Suggested reading for those interested in counteracting lawfare: unintended consequences by John Ross.
I would add that The Trump will be at ground zero of the explosion. Obviously done by ISIS oriented domestic terrorists supported by Bashir Al-Assad.
One or the other...
"Or, something has to be the catalyst for martial law, and suspension of the november election..."
Ding...ding...ding!
We have a winner here, people!
I agree with SgtShaftoe, Obama's too lazy to want a third term. That's not saying he won't suspend the election to transfer power to "what is clearly the best candidate with the widest support, Hillary Clinton."
Montel is 'liberal' in a Bolshevik kinda way.
Now I know it is all staged bullshit.
Go back too blazing bowls and profiting off of others' misery Montel. What an ass. Recommending deadly force without dialogue is just plain STUPID.
Why can't it be both?!
How does some two-bit semi-negro talk-show nonenity think he has the casting vote on real people's life and death?
I commented yesterday that i felt the Bundys might not be the best catalyst for revolution- but damn, it makes me mad that some unconnected media-negro feels he can call time on their lives.
What a shit -filled world we have at the moment.
How does Brando Smith get to annoint who is and who is not the spear-point?
All this divisveness testers by the bullsht spewed by the illegal Indonesian kenyan alien muslim fudgepacker.
Can't we vote for both of the choices?
Well, ole Montel is replicating past White Devil behavior.
After all, the purpose of the national guard was and is to put down any and all labor unrest, challenges to the status quo (like socialists beginning to win political elections, circa early 1900s and the Palmer Raids) and the national guard armories were originally situated around the country for that specific purpose.
Montel Williams, just another white devil.
Montel got his start working for the NSA. ...
<--- Montel's head is up his ass
<--- Montel is a brilliant informercial huckster
Why does it have to be an "or" question ?
Montel, Nuck you Figger!
Fresh white Nike's please! Fifty-tons of ammunition wouldn't hurt either. As a special request, I'd like a pick-up truck with a "Dimitri's Plumbing Service" logo as well. k thanx!
Maybe russia will send men, money and arms to the rebels like Murica did in Ukraine
We're not there yet, at least I don't think so, but how far from that are we really? One wonders.
"Enraged Negroid animal Montel Williams is begging his negro brother Obama to slaughter white people using the military. More news at 10."
From Reuters:
"The Hammonds were found guilty in 2012 of setting a series of fires including a 2001 blaze intended to cover up evidence of deer poaching that went on to burn 139 acres (56 hectares) of public lands, according to federal prosecutors."
Is this true? In yesterday's ZH article it was indicated that they burned the land to stop invasive plant species and to prevent forest fires... so which is it?
Controlled burn to take out invasive Juniper that kills off native grass.
Don't believe Reuters, unless you want to start believing in "White Hispanics" and "Gentle Giants"
My adoptive brother is a white Hispanic.
My next door neighbor is a white Hispanic.
The Mexicans call them Guerrero and they are quite real.
If you met my brother or next door neighbor you would not be able to tell...at all.
My brother has an Irish last name.
My next door neighbor has an English last name
Hell. I am Pennsylvania Dutch with an Irish last name.
You probably even know some Guerrero and just do not know that they are Hispanic.
Other than that there are many other reasons not to believe Reuters.
But stop acting as rayciss as Google.
#blacklivesmatter should take Amon up on the offer. Free land in Eastern Oregon. Move on out and get settled, stick it to the man, no police, very few white people, etc. Of course you have to be able and willing to live in Eastern Oregon.
They do have great fishing there.
Several of you commented on the Website that he endorses. I looked into it. The interest rate is between 700% and 919% per year. Here are some comments from the people who got loans. Montel should be ashamed of himself...pitching this shit to the ignorant.
Here are some people who signed up...Dumbasses..
One person borrowed $800 and payed back $3000. I will loan at those rates bitchez...pay the overlord.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/finance/money-mutual.html
I wonder if the CIA will air drop these rebels a big box of shells and MRE's. I understand these guys are legitimately not killing women and children though so they don't quite fit the bill
If only they would swear alligence to Allah, the CIA would air drop TOWs to them.
Could the real reason for over reach be diamonds, gold & uranium?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpkm6iSd--c
You first Montel.
Yes, exactly. He should "lead the charge".