Montel Williams Calls For "Shoot To Kill" In Oregon Showdown; Militiamen Respond They Are "Ready To Fight"
In the latest development in the ongoing saga of Ammon Bundy's seizure of a Federal wildlife reuge office in Oregon, the members of the militia said they're ready to fight, but they won't say what they would actually do if federal authorities try to remove them by force as reported in the clip below.
However, while we noted the shortcomings in Bundy's latest standoff last night, what is even more notable is that as Shepard Ambellas of Intellihub points out, Montel Williams he tweeted that the National Guard should be mobilized to “kill” protesters who have currently overtaken the federal building in Burns, Oregon.
Then let's give them some - put this down using National Guard with shoot to kill orders. https://t.co/KSzUZzUor6
— Montel Williams (@Montel_Williams) January 3, 2016
Moreover USA Today has reported that “militia members used the ranchers as a ruse,” in what I and others feel may be the planed catalyst to start a civil war in America.
Monday, Rick Jervis wrote:
The Oregon sheriff whose county is at the heart of an anti-government call-to-arms said Sunday the group occupying a national wildlife refuge came to town under false pretenses.
Sheriff David Ward said protesters came to Harney County, in southeastern Oregon, “claiming to be part of militia groups supporting local ranchers.” In reality, he said, “these men had alternative motives to attempt to overthrow the county and federal government in hopes to spark a movement across the United States.”
In a statement issued Sunday afternoon, Ward said he was working with local and federal authorities to resolve the situation as quickly and peacefully as possible.
Intellihub adds that its staff has identified a few suspicious individuals who claim to stand with the militants which may attempt to provocateur, escalate, the situation further. As we noted last night, this also is a distinct possibility.
Finally, in an interesting tangent, the WaPo, which admits that there "are gun rights issues, religious overtones, broad strains of anti-government sentiment and even the tactics of the Occupy Wall Street movement" as underlying motives behind the seizure, focuses on "very particular question of how much land the government controls in the state -- the same question that animated the dispute with rancher Cliven Bundy in Nevada two years ago -- and that helped motivate Bundy's son Ammon to take a lead role in the Oregon standoff."
It then provides several charts, alongside the following analysis, to show this curious aspect of what may be the core motive behind Bundy's actions. To wit:
More than half of Oregon is owned by the federal government, with a large percentage of that land owned by the Bureau of Land Management -- an agency widely reviled in the West and known by its acronym, BLM. (Ammon Bundy was forced to clarify on Twitter that his use of "BLM" didn't refer to the Black Lives Matter movement.) Data from the U.S. Geological Survey shows the amount of federal land in the state.
(This map and the ones below only show areas of 600 or more acres held by the government.)
The takeover occurred near Malheur Lake, at a building that's part of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. That lake is at the upper center of the BLM's map of the surrounding area, which shows just how much is controlled by the government. (The original protests over the Hammonds' sentencing began in Burns, Ore.)
Part of the issue is that there isn't much population in the eastern part of the state. Mapping Oregon's population, you can see Portland and a corridor near the coast, which is about it. The area around the wildlife refuge has almost no population.
There's a historic link between population and federal land ownership. In 2012, the Congressional Research Service looked at the history of tensions between the government and the population out West -- particularly ranchers and farmers who, like the Hammonds and Bundys, use federal land for grazing and other purposes.
Early in the history of the country, the government took over land that was then distributed to citizens for farming and economic growth. As the United States expanded westward, the land was increasingly inhospitable, including the Rockies and the deserts of Nevada and Utah. By the end of the 19th century, a new focus was placed on conserving the land, with Yellowstone becoming the first national park in 1872. At that point, very few people lived in the area, as this 1890 Census Bureau map suggests.
Over the course of the 20th century, the government's emphasis shifted away from releasing the land to private citizens and toward managing it itself. The passage of 1976's Federal Land Policy and Management Act made that policy concrete, keeping the land as the property of the government. After the federal government's shift, there was a push from some in the West, including governors and members of Congress, to shift control from the federal to the state or local government. The Sagebrush Rebellion, as it was known, tapered off during the relative friendly administration of Ronald Reagan.
The longstanding political and legal dispute was summarized in more depth by the conservative Heritage Foundation, but the Congressional Research Service makes one additional point that's important to consider.
"From the earliest days," the CRS researchers write, "these policy views took on East/West overtones, with easterners more likely to view the lands as national public property, and westerners more likely to view the lands as necessary for local use and development."
That's one reason for the objection from Westerners. The other is that the lock-down on the land came after the East was heavily settled but before the West had been. In the East, land was turned over to farmers. In the West, settled later in the country's history, there were fewer people to hand it to.
Compare the Dakotas to Oregon, for example. In 1910, here's how the population was distributed. Even the Dakotas had pockets of population.
It's still sparsely populated.
But very little of the land is federal.
On that 1910 map, notice that Nevada has very little population -- thanks in part to its landscape being even less hospitable than the Dakotas. Its population is still small, save Reno and Las Vegas.
The vast majority of the land -- including the land around the Bundy ranch -- is owned by the government to this day.
The conclusion: "The fight isn't new, as the Congressional Research Service report notes. What's new is the way in which the broader political moment has cross-pollinated with longstanding objections to how the government manages land out West. The takeover in Oregon has its roots in the Sagebrush Rebellion. They way it's being manifested, though, is as modern as it gets."
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It remains to be seen if the National Guard will take up Montel on his "shoot to kill" advice.
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There's a reason why revolution means a swift change of government and the action of a wheel rotaing.
Wouldn't it be funny if a real revolution popped up and fizzled because nobody participated fearing a false flag?
Resisters get's no love. If they don't get flat out shot to pieces by swat goons, they get bashed by Montel jerks, AND by those that sympathize with their efforts.
Feared a false flag or needed an excuse ;)
As far as I'm concerned if folks want to occupy a fed building then fair enough. Could not give one shit. The worlds never gonna change by blokes picking up guns they've got a big army, military and phycological, and they're not afraid to use it and they so often like to remind us.
The only armed revolts that succeed are the ones they pay for.
DS, some perspective from across the pond - the shooting of fellow citizens, not to mention cowboys and war veterans, by the military creates strong cognative dissonance in a majority of the military. The military without that majority is ineffective. The military, against that majority has no chance. The real reason why Obummer did not invade Syria over sarin gas FF. To many in the military were fundimentally opposed and publicly said so. The USA is not Europe.
I think I'd rather have Obama as a 3rd termer than Hitlary, so I am ok with suspenstion of elections because she will win.
New username time?
LOL my old username was obama_4_dictator on here before I was banned. I've been on zh since 2009
The central question is - if elections were suspended, would Americans care - as long as the status quo were maintained?
Hate to point out the obvious but you do realise no matter who you vote for the same people win? They may as well have been halted makes no difference at all pal.
Surely you jest. Elections, now days, are a statist tool to give the populist the illusion of choice. Why would they (.Gov) supend one of their greatest tools. Suspension of elections would foment what they fear most which is nationwide coincident epiphany by the doscile masses in regards to .Gov's true adgenda.
Right tph. They are not going to throw open the curtain volontarily, revealing what a farce they have going. The sheeples love and need the illusion the show provides.
I'd be really interested in finding out what Victoria Jackson thinks about the situation too.
BwahahahahahahahahahahahahBwahahahahaha
What will Montel say if "white guys" call for "shoot to kill" to put down black protests?
Fair is fair, right?
That would be "RAYCISS!". HAHAHAHAHA, maybe we could do a 1 for 1 swap on reporting, and label militia as "youths"
Fuck this has been ...
Lets shoot to kill shyster niggers.
It's a start
men with testosterone, I thought that was illegal??
Well chivalry is dead. Except in the South for some reason.
http://youtu.be/4BNxVAWcu7Q
Only girly men put up with, or fight for these cunts.
well we all know where heavy DRONE activity will be this month.
you patriots out there in the boonies, take care.
I saw Montel (decades ago) saying what a bad-ass he was, and how if a woman carrying a gun in her purse tried to defend herself, he could disarm her and use said weapon on her, before she could get it out and use it.
I said then, as now, "That's where two fools met". Him for thinking he could do that, and her for thinking she had to remove it from her purse.
Shoot the bastard through the purse.
Actually, he may have been capable of doing what he claimed. Read his bio. I do wonder why he would imagine himself of needing to disarm a woman who was trying to protect herself from him.
Don't believe his Bio...he's a lying sack of shit.
Right. Hitlery was under fire where? Kosovo?
What a waste of a good purse
...american ranchers go to jail for using federal land, ...undocumented citizens get free education, housing, EBT, and green cards
File under "Fundamental transformation of America."
America has never been known for its aversion to hypocrisy
Dude, fucking A right. Great point.
Montel used to be Navy. Evidently he's forgotten his Oath. Those men at Malheur are not the 'domestic enemy' all those who swore the same Oath are supposed to be against. Quite the opposite.
The WW1 German veterans used to say they were 'stabbed in the back'. Given the collusion of the banksters of the day, particularly with their financial support of Bolshevism, it would seem there was some truth to that.
There's no doubt at all today of betrayal, with returning veterans being judged as security threats by the US government after being foully used in someone else's wars of economic and territorial conquest. Some of those recent veterans are at Malheur.
A pity Montel is so short-sighted. That kool-aid must be very tasty.
Montel is important because Megyn has interviewed him. Or was it Greta? Don't remember. Don't care.
Rancher Lives Matter
Montel just wants to see whitey die....
WTF is a Montel?
It's a shelf over the fireplace where you can display your trophies.
Its a rasta telephone network
They say the Constitution doesn't allow the federal gov't to own land except for DC and military bases. And what'dja think? They're right.
Too bad for them.
Why is this "news?" This idiot should be trying to help the Bundies. Makes me wonder....where is Big Al?
Can they fly Montel in on a drone(cruise dud)?
The Feds have been trying to control way too much, including land that should be allowed into private hands.
Remember Boys and Girls - the bad man in the room that advocates for violence against the Gov is a Federal Agent.....
The F*ck You irony of it all is that they have con'd Bundy into thinking this is a real deal. No dude....this is gettin' your assed played and smoked as thank you for that gig down in the desert
I say we send in some Native Americans, give them back the land in return for clearing out the settlers, and why not give them some guns too.
Good idea, if you can sober them up long enough to fight.
Welcome to Bizzarro World.
True Hedge: DO NOT PUBLICIZE this form of racial hatred!
unfortunately, these black know-it-alls, like Whoopie Goldberg, bring it on themselves, including Obama, with their completely inconsistent positions on race.......where was Montel during Ferguson and Baltimore?
First send in troops to Chicago and kill the million or so gangbangers. Then we can worry about Oregon.
Exactly if it was the other way around its racism . BLACK LIVES MATTER need to know the GOVERNMENT is out to get you NOT white people.. Montel Williams and AL sharptons out there FUCK YOU NIGGERS.. ZH good job no main stream media carried this story!!
Wrong, the government doesn't care about black people or white either, they just work for their banker masters.
VLAD you right! plus these banking masters want to get BLACKS AND WHITES to kill each other.. Distract us from tyranny that is transitioning OUR country to a big JAILHOUSE with slaves ONLY the ones that are not sleeping know this 90 percent of the population are cowards and brainwashed.. The Goverment does not want critical thinkers... I see TEXAS as the last TRUE battleground and Patriots around this country like in Oregon... Good luck to all of us....
#"The Goverment does not want critical thinkers..."
Hence, the Department of misEducation and American public schools.