"It's Time For You To Leave": Oregon Sheriff Demands Militiamen "Peacefully" Depart
Despite Ammon Bundy’s best efforts to explain the motives of the militiamen who over the weekend seized control of a remote federal building in Oregon, it’s still not entirely clear why several dozen US citizens decided to occupy the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
WaPo is probably correct to say that there "are gun rights issues, religious overtones, broad strains of anti-government sentiment and even the tactics of the Occupy Wall Street movement" at play, but like the Occupy movement, those holed up in the snowy government outpost have yet to articulate a coherent set of grievances to justify their cause.
As we outlined on Sunday, Ammon Bundy is the son of Cliven Bundy, a kind of folk hero at the heart of a 2014 standoff with the government that ended with what some say was a victory for individual and state’s rights.
As I said on @CNN this morning, I love my wife & family. I have no plans nor desire to die. We are peaceful people. #OccupyMalheur
— Ammon Bundy (@Ammon_Bundy) January 4, 2016
Apparently, the younger Bundy is attempting to engineer another direct conflict with federal authorities by rallying around the “cause” of Dwight Hammond and his son Steven, who were sent back to jail on Monday for arson.
Bundy and the rest of the militiamen (who say they're "in it for the long haul" and who have named themselves the "Citizens for Constitutional Freedom") camped out at Malheur have indicated they’re prepared to fight should the government move to forcibly remove them from the wildlife refuge and at least one American is calling for “shoot to kill” orders for the National Guard.
In what may perhaps mark the beginning of open hostilities between authorities and the militia, Harney County Sheriff David Ward politely told the group that “it’s time to leave” on Monday.
"You said you were here to help the citizens of Harney County. It is time for you to leave our community, go home to your families, and end this peacefully,” Ward said, on behalf of himself and county Judge Steven Grasty.
As Reuters explains, “the Oregon occupation marks the latest skirmish in the so-called sagebrush rebellion, a decades-old conflict over federal control of millions of acres of land and natural resources in the West.”
Bundy insists the militiamen are “patriots,” but Wendy Bull, a teacher in Burns whose husband, a social worker, operates a local clinic run by the U.S. Veteran Affairs Department, says the men are “domestic terrorists.” As Reuters goes on to note, “the takeover in Oregon [has drawn] criticism on social media, with some users asking if the occupiers would have been treated differently if they had been black or Muslim.”
BBC got an inside look at life inside the compound. “When we arrived in darkness all was calm and quiet,” columnist James Cook begins. “We were greeted courteously by men carrying copies of the US constitution, who told us they were unarmed.” Here’s more:
They had draped the US flag over a sign at the entrance to the wildlife refuge and they offered us a cup of coffee.
The guards told us that the armed men inside were not taking visitors at present but would be happy to come out and meet the media face to face in the morning.
One of the men tried to give me a small US Fish and Wildlife Service sign from the building "as a souvenir".
"It's mine," he said, "I paid for it," making a reference to his taxes.
Some people in the community around the town of Burns say while they do not approve of the methods, they are in tune with the sentiment.
Back at the bird reserve, the mood changed slightly as the day dawned, the birds started singing and the winter sun struggled to pierce the hazy clouds.
The media were now at the gate in force and the men there were more reluctant to talk.
"We need to stick to the narrative," one told us as he explained why we needed to wait for their leader Ammon Bundy.
Down a slight hill, we could now see the headquarters clearly, the red roofs of the sheds standing out against the snow.
Several dark-clad figures moved around in the complex.
When Mr Bundy emerged to speak to the media he refused to tell me how many people were inside the bird sanctuary or how many were armed but, after the news conference, camera crews were given a limited tour of the site.
We were told we would not be shown anything relating to "operational security" or anything that would "put lives at risk" and, indeed, we were kept away from any weapons on the site.
A number of US government vehicles sat in the car park, covered in snow.
We were not allowed into most of the buildings and saw no more than a dozen men and one woman inside.
We were taken into a building where one of the protestors said he had been sleeping. It appeared to be a gym for the federal employees who usually manage this land.
There were cans of chicken noodle soup, oranges, apples and other food.
Through a glass window we could see a man and a woman cooking food in a kitchen. The site appeared to be in good condition.
Yes, the "site appears to be in good condition" - for now.
Three administration officials who spoke to Reuters said federal authorities are "following U.S. policy guidelines instituted to prevent standoffs from turning violent in the wake of deadly clashes at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas in the early 1990s."
It's unclear how long that protocol will last, but rest assured, there's only so long the government is going to allow this sideshow to persist. After all, if one bird sanctuary falls to "militants", what's to keep another from falling tomorrow? Before long, there may be no federally administered bird sanctuaries left.
All sarcasm aside, the question here is clearly this: how long will it be before the government abandons the new "policy guidelines" and reverts to the pre-Waco strategy that would see the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge turned into a bad day in Fallujah?
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Why? because they live under the same ruler as the slaves. They are not standing up for the slaves.
The way I see it is that some people stuck there neck out to stop the fed gov and there constant taking bit by bit and as soon as they do everyone gets scared and hangs them out to dry , if that had been Lexington in 1776 your father's father may of been shot by the English as an example to everyone that may of caused trouble there would of be no bill of rights , constitution or America , so there comes a time when its time to fight , and if you don't have the balls then shut the fuck up and stop justifying your inactions and give support to the real 3% that will actually do something to change the situation Anybody who is not supporting this push against the fed gov is a fucking coward and should not even be called American.
Please be aware, revolutions require many different people with different skill sets.
To take out a tyrannical government without something to *immediately* come in behind it will result in chaos, which normally results in tyranny thereafter.
Those of us sitting offshore, waiting, watching, and encouraging others to "pick their battles" are no less American than those in that cabin. We are using our gifts and abilities differently, as our gifts & abilities are different.
I realise to the average idiot, if the area around that cabin looked this then this would be a materially different conversation. The problem is -- Bundy went on national television multiple times begging people to come. Barely anyone has shown up. He blew his wad too early, as he is on every possible watch list from here on until his kicks the bucket, and those running the .gov now know they can push us further down the pipe we are already in.
I have no doubt we will eventually get here, things just haven't gotten bad enough for the average joe. Until they do, anyone who blows their wad like Bundy has just done, has blown his only chance to make a difference.
If by some miracle he makes it out of there without jail time, he will be a joke from here on out, as those who sat it out will be seen as those with the brains, and Bundy a mere foot-soldier who acted out of turn.
Yup. He picked the wrong battle. This will do more harm to the liberty movement than people realize, and the liberty movement doesn't have the disgusting, yet currently effective tactic of black lives matter: If you don't agree with them, you get labeled racist. That alone is enough to make a lot of people lock up in fear. The iron will be hot when that tactic looses its effectiveness, and it won't just be the liberty movement that is wanting to strike. We live in interesting times.
I disagree, in part.
This won't hurt the Liberty movement. The Liberty movement has too many people supporting it, too many people who have been "woken up", too many people that logically understand "on a long enough timeline the survival rate of everything drops to zero" applies universally -- even to the United States. The US is a tyranny which can only continue to exist as long as it continues to expand. If it stops, it collapses rather quickly.
This is the end for Bundy and those individuals. Absent a drone strike, he and his followers don't come out of this without immense amounts of egg on their face.
I don't know why your post is getting downvoted. Take'em proudly.
There are a bunch of mouth-breathers on here who down vote you for speaking truth, when it goes against their "herp derp we're'a'gunn'a overthrow the Tyrant Muslium Obama TODAY at this thar Gift Shop."
Its whatever. I appeal to a different demographic on here than the low-information disenfranchised social-conservative.
The liberty movement doesn't have a majority of Jews on its side because the liberty movement is implicilty basically just a bunch of white men.
It has a few Jews here or there. Noble fellows, indeed. Few.
But in any case, that's all it amounts to. BLM and progressively criminal forms of centralized power, actually both "BLMs," are generally supported by most Jews. The majority of Jews fear, loath and hate rural white men due to what they think men of Northern European descent (veterans, rural rubes) did to their "Commie"/Jewish ancestors. "Never again." Apparently many honestly think that they were made into lampshades because it doesn't occur to them that their Tribe would ever lie about the "goyim." Most don't seem to question much (just like the rest of the world/tribes/"goyim".) or see that nationalists signed off on a Transfer Agreement with their own nationalists/"Zionists." Etc. And on and on.
So there's a deep tribal hatred and fear there in "the media" and among "the bankers" and the "advisors in DC" or among the IRS agents like Lois Lerner. Or, the "gun control advocate."
It would be one thing if the Eskimos or some Native American hated and feared white men. Off wandering around, hating. But it matters when it's a bunch of bankers, MSM moguls, people producing movies, the diversity officers, lawyers, the ADL member, "Hollywood" and so on.
That winds up being a lot different than having some Eskimos chock full of a tribal, ethnic hatred.
Results globally: Germany is currently being destroyed again. "Never again!" "First they came for the Germans."
Not Japan. Germany. Why? Jews!
Or in this case: "If only we were gay cowboys then we could be stars in a Hollywood movie. But we're not, so we're playing the part of terrorists!??! I thought terrorism was workplace violence?"
Etc. All easily predictable if one identifies jews as members of a tribal group and studies their tribal influence as a "social construct." There are a few good individuals. That's certain, very noble and principled. But as a tribe? They're generally anti-white, neurotic maniacs full of hate for people like "the rancher" and "cowboys." (Or now, pictures of Trump drawn in their menstrual blood... because they percieve him as a tribal "Hitler"/enemy, even when that's something so utterly ridiculous that only neurotic jews and working class white people playing the part of jewish "neo-Nazi" projections/cartoons could believe it. It's jewish to focus on German nationalism from a half century ago instead of the interests of your own kin here and now.)
Abitdodgie,
You make the same mistake the statists make: you judge an action by its intent rather than its effect.
Is it time for protest to stand up to the feds and show the world the injustice of the federal government? Sure.
Is it time to do this with arms? Really? Why?
Stefan Molyneux has a good video on the standoff and what issues occured before this happened:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1JzuQf4DMU
So this is all manufactured theatre by these sissies with their pop guns? Stick to the narrative! Oh boy, someone watches too much of the teevee.
shutup reggie
Funding
Haus - I agree. Protests should be staged at the court house where the judge ordered them back to jail after serving sentence. At least that way media can focus on why that happened and if that did happen, money could be raised for a legal defense fund to spring them early.
This is the only commentary I've seen (BPEartwatch.com) with a deeper look at the many years of history and interaction between the BLM, DoJ and the ranchers. It appears to be bullying, intimidation and deception, using anti-terrorist legislation (a very slippery slope as these are ranchers, NOT terrorists. All of us who object to being 'rough-handled' by our 'representatives' and their Policy Enforcers feel for these ranchers.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRoVjQ-l5vY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OBlU7ValF4
As a watcher of US affairs from a US vassel state (Australia), I see a tiny oligarchy amassing wealth to everyone else's cost, a broken CONgress, bought and/or stacked legal system, and militarised Police and FedGov agencies. It's clear that there's an agenda afoot, and it involves demolition of what's left of the Constitution, which whilst not perfect and drafted by mostly Freemasons, contains the kernels for good people taking responsibility and liability for their actions and outcomes under a limited government. That sense of freedom and individualism is what I loved most on my visits to the US. How to get the US back on a path closer to the Founding Father's Constitutional Intentions remains critical to us in the rest of the World also.
Chris Hedges with some worthy analysis of the crisis in US.inc exceptionalism/delusion.
Our Only Hope Will Come Through Rebellion - 29th March 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOlg_2qAbUA
CALLING ALL REBELS: THE MORAL IMPERATIVE TO REVOLT - SEPT 20, 2015
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vJJnKEc-JY
The Myth of Human Progress and the Collapse of Complex Societies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAo7ky1kq-Q
Hold your ground until the gov steps down.
Crusty:
The so-called sheeple calling for federal extermination of the protesters is most represented by the tweet of Montel Williams yesterday.
Hmmm . . . A Black Racist wanting Whites slaughtered.
An armed revolt doesn't necessarily require public support but it won't be successful if the sheeple are rooting for the feds.
History of the event.
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/723
You can tell that even the supposed """alternative""" to the sex in the city/MSM/degenerate media of the city at Zerohedge doesn't support them either:
Should read:
Also.. fuck you, Zerohedge. You're always kosher and now this implicitly anti-white crap where whoever writes this stuff can't bring themselves to frame the narrative in a way that supports our kind of people. Who writes this stuff?
It's almost like your pattern for resistance among white men getting Jewed over by the cosmo/globalist/banking sex in the city vote that's implicitly reliant on ranchers/whites/cowboys that aren't gay is actually just some movie made by a Jew.
'Fight Club' producer: I was an Israeli operative | Jewish ...No "conspiracy." It's all cultural/tribal reality. Entertainment. It's all too real. You can't model yourselves as men of European descent after some movie made by a Jew. Duh.
Your comment indircates you do NOT know the players. Sadly, the Bundys have come under the ""spell"" of what I am assuming are fed assets in the form of Ryan Payne, a guy named Cooper, and two others who are likely fed assets.Payne and Cooper moved into the Bundy situation as a ""militia", trouble is most militia have no idea where they came fro. They were talking trash, fomenting violence, drovebout actual organized groups like Oathkeeprs ..and I think a bunch of the 3% group. Ammon Bundy is a nitwit, useful tool, the HAMMONDS did not want him, Payne or Cooper and their tactical gear badeball cap wearing ninjas involved. My bet, Payne and Cooper are involved because they are either idiots or feds. Who gets tl take off weeks from work to play rebel?? God bless the Hammonds, damn the 9th circuit court and FEDS, BLM, FOREST SERVICE for playing fast and loose with peoples lives. They have done it for decades, war on the west in service to a bunch of elite goes back to the open range days. In any event, Brandon Smith has written an excellent piece, so has the guy from Sipsey Street Irregulars. As the Tea Party was coopted by the establishment, the Liberty movement or rather the militia movement has been in some cases coopted by feds or their idiot Rambo wannabes. The Hammonds have disassociated from the occupiers, a few may be honest and sincere but... guys like Payne and Cooper, and the idiot Ammon have theur own agenda not helpful to the Hammonds or the battle over rural America. http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2016/01/perfect-timing-for-re...
BRANDON SMITH WROTE
I have watched extensive video from the event in Oregon and am privy to accounts from participants. From the information at my disposal, it would appear that Ammon and team did NOT make clear their intentions to occupy the federal wildlife refuge building except to a seAmmon, apparently trying to recreate what cannot be recreated, is looking for another Bundy Ranch stand-off. mFirst, I would point out that such events can't be artificially fabricated. They have to happen in an organic way. Whenever a group of people attempt to engineer a revolutionary moment, even if their underlying motivations are righteous, it usually ends up kicking them in the ass (Fort Sumter is a good example). Ammon's wingmen appear to be Blaine Cooper aka Stanley Blaine Hicks (a convicted felon), and Ryan Payne (who claimed falsely during the Bundy Ranch standoff that he was an Army Ranger and who worked diligently to cause divisions between involved parties on the ground at Bundy Ranch........
"The site appeared to be in good condition." Damn those white "domestic terrorists" for not burning, rioting, raping and pillaging!
Nah, there is more to this than just bullshit.
I think you mean BULLISH. Futures are "off the lows!" Yeeeeeeehawwwwww!!!!
As someone else said in another thread, if it appears to be the wrong time and the wrong place, it's time to question the principal actor's motivations.
At best Ammon Bundy appears to be desperate to stir up shit. And desperate people do desperate (and stupid) things. At worst he appears to be either a patsy or an agent.
Just my two cents.
Agreed, and some of the Alternative Media is doing just that. This piece of CRAP merely uses every pejorative of the Marxist State Media (MSM). Personally, I don't agree with what they are doing; wrong time, wrong place. However, I am sick and tired of the way that MSM reports.
have you investigated anything? there never a "right time '
Charging into and taking possession of a piece of enemy territory - telling no one of your plans - and THEN calling for reinforcements with a Call to Arms is beyond STUPID. Therefore, it is wrong place, wrong time.
I suppose on D-Day you would have invaded Normandy and THEN radioed for reinforcements with a Call to Arms?
Strategy and tactics are paramount for success.
The BLM is nothing more than hired goons who are taking land from American citizens by force, lies, skullduggery. They work for foreigners who want, in this case, the natgas, uranium, and other rare-earth minerals under the Hammonds' ranch. There is no perfect time or place to stand up to tyranny. We applaud them wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, they have most likely been infiltrated by agents provocateurs. Freedom isn't free.
Four years of my family fighting (through the "proper channels"), illegal police actions conducted by City, County, & State LEOs, all the way to Federal Courts, has REALLY Educated me to how fucking badly it will WEAR ONE DOWN.
These ranchers have endured this shit for decades. Their stories are out there to be read and heard. You wont get it from MSM, and sadly enough, very little of it here. Laws were clearly written Re Fed Gov "owning land" and those laws have been raped.
I could provide some good links if needed, and I'll recommend a somewhat unrelated one. It is titled "The Most Dangerous Man In the Midsouth". Take time to read it, and you will see the importance and difficulties of taking on the Fed Govt and their unlimited resources. (also the importance of Citizen Jurors).
They have my support.
http://the-moneychanger.com/answers/the_most_dangerous_man_in_the_mid_south
I agree with COG. I would like to see the original incident report from the local fire dept regarding the 'arson' and talk face to face with the chief (Chief to Chief) about what happened. I would be inclined to believe that the courts may have over-reached a bit. If the fire(s) were set as backfires when crews were out fighting fire at a nearby scene without approval/permit of the incident commander/dept, then that does change things a bit. We all know that BLM is fairly corrupt but the Bundy situation was uncalled for.
"At worst he appears to be either a patsy or an agent."
After the first fiasco with Bundy, I note that they are still running around free and that is very telling IMHO.
The Hammonds did not ask for help and did turn themselves in peacefully. Regarding Bundy... there is this old saying, "We are from the Government and are here to help you". Most of the Bundy crew seems to fit that bill.
The pix of the facility shows empty bird feeders. Will someone please fill them?
LOL
Our local bears love filled bird feeders and will invade them at will. This is why our bird feeders are stationed away from the house and out buildings.
Are you trying to get the protesters eaten? :-)
El Paso| A group of minutemen watching the Mexican Border for illegal migrants and drug traffickers, have proceeded to the citizen arrest of two men in an SUV, carrying 1300 pounds of cocaine. The volunteers were completely astonished when the two arrestees pulled out CIA ID cards and explained they were actually carrying the drug as part of their duties and that the cargo belonged to the Central Intelligence Agency. - See more at: http://realitieswatch.com/two-cia-agents-arrested-by-minutemen-while-cro...
more here:
http://cia.einnews.com/article__detail/262307294?lcode=DxY6uOUPU3yyfnuUV...
I will never forget the size of that pile of bear shit I saw in the woods in AK that time
They were threatened by the government. The older man probably wouldn't survive being transferred to a different prison.
In any case, this should all serve as a reminder to implicilty white men. The ethnic spine of the country that empowers its military and progressively diverse government are the "terrorists." But if Muslims shoot you when your witless children are trying to sign up for a military that wants to enforce diversity worldwide, that's workplace violence.
All these incidents should serve as reminders to even the most witless of white people anxious to be diversified out of existence in progressively diverse investment portfolios owned based on "national" debt. How is it that a "national" debt exists in a global world of internationalism? What is "national" security and a "national" debt based on?
This Should Help.
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/723
If you look into it, the hammonds say they were protecting their land but the charge states they did it to cover up their illegal poaching of deer off the federal land...there was even an interview or a witness testimony(I forget) with a hammond family member who said they were asked to help start the fires to cover up the poaching but refused because they thought it was wrong.
What gave it away, Cog? Ammon's new beard? His new cowboy hat? "It's not time to stand down, it's time to stand up." Who writes this shit?
@CD, Kindly disagree.
Ooopsie...busted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nsdyk3FouU
Suicide by Stand-off.
wonder if shots will be fired by this evening? bho's got his big "town hall meeting" on cnn tonight & it would be a real shame if the timeline in oregon didn't cooperate - almost like letting a good crisis go to waste...
The time is coming soon for YOU to leave, sheriff...
If they were 12 year old black kids with fake guns they would have been shot already.
Heffer:
You're either a Black Racist, Black Racist Apologist, a Black Racist Sympathizer masquerading as a Racist who hates Blacks (a False Flag commentator), or just your ordinary, garden-variety, nut case.
None of the above , just calling it as I see
you're either missing the sarc tag OR you are on the wrong board.
NoVa
No, they would get MSM sympathy and funding from Soros.
once again, race has nothing to do with this issue at all. this is a conflict between those who believe land is better off in the hands of we the people and the feds who have and continue to take that land away from them.
race is not even remotely involved in this so please stop trying to drag this down to that level. it's pointless and only paints you as a race baiting troll, try presenting a comment that is relevant to the topic at hand.