"It's Time For You To Leave": Oregon Sheriff Demands Militiamen "Peacefully" Depart
Despite Ammon Bundy’s best efforts to explain the motives of the militiamen who over the weekend seized control of a remote federal building in Oregon, it’s still not entirely clear why several dozen US citizens decided to occupy the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
WaPo is probably correct to say that there "are gun rights issues, religious overtones, broad strains of anti-government sentiment and even the tactics of the Occupy Wall Street movement" at play, but like the Occupy movement, those holed up in the snowy government outpost have yet to articulate a coherent set of grievances to justify their cause.
As we outlined on Sunday, Ammon Bundy is the son of Cliven Bundy, a kind of folk hero at the heart of a 2014 standoff with the government that ended with what some say was a victory for individual and state’s rights.
As I said on @CNN this morning, I love my wife & family. I have no plans nor desire to die. We are peaceful people. #OccupyMalheur
— Ammon Bundy (@Ammon_Bundy) January 4, 2016
Apparently, the younger Bundy is attempting to engineer another direct conflict with federal authorities by rallying around the “cause” of Dwight Hammond and his son Steven, who were sent back to jail on Monday for arson.
Bundy and the rest of the militiamen (who say they're "in it for the long haul" and who have named themselves the "Citizens for Constitutional Freedom") camped out at Malheur have indicated they’re prepared to fight should the government move to forcibly remove them from the wildlife refuge and at least one American is calling for “shoot to kill” orders for the National Guard.
In what may perhaps mark the beginning of open hostilities between authorities and the militia, Harney County Sheriff David Ward politely told the group that “it’s time to leave” on Monday.
"You said you were here to help the citizens of Harney County. It is time for you to leave our community, go home to your families, and end this peacefully,” Ward said, on behalf of himself and county Judge Steven Grasty.
As Reuters explains, “the Oregon occupation marks the latest skirmish in the so-called sagebrush rebellion, a decades-old conflict over federal control of millions of acres of land and natural resources in the West.”
Bundy insists the militiamen are “patriots,” but Wendy Bull, a teacher in Burns whose husband, a social worker, operates a local clinic run by the U.S. Veteran Affairs Department, says the men are “domestic terrorists.” As Reuters goes on to note, “the takeover in Oregon [has drawn] criticism on social media, with some users asking if the occupiers would have been treated differently if they had been black or Muslim.”
BBC got an inside look at life inside the compound. “When we arrived in darkness all was calm and quiet,” columnist James Cook begins. “We were greeted courteously by men carrying copies of the US constitution, who told us they were unarmed.” Here’s more:
They had draped the US flag over a sign at the entrance to the wildlife refuge and they offered us a cup of coffee.
The guards told us that the armed men inside were not taking visitors at present but would be happy to come out and meet the media face to face in the morning.
One of the men tried to give me a small US Fish and Wildlife Service sign from the building "as a souvenir".
"It's mine," he said, "I paid for it," making a reference to his taxes.
Some people in the community around the town of Burns say while they do not approve of the methods, they are in tune with the sentiment.
Back at the bird reserve, the mood changed slightly as the day dawned, the birds started singing and the winter sun struggled to pierce the hazy clouds.
The media were now at the gate in force and the men there were more reluctant to talk.
"We need to stick to the narrative," one told us as he explained why we needed to wait for their leader Ammon Bundy.
Down a slight hill, we could now see the headquarters clearly, the red roofs of the sheds standing out against the snow.
Several dark-clad figures moved around in the complex.
When Mr Bundy emerged to speak to the media he refused to tell me how many people were inside the bird sanctuary or how many were armed but, after the news conference, camera crews were given a limited tour of the site.
We were told we would not be shown anything relating to "operational security" or anything that would "put lives at risk" and, indeed, we were kept away from any weapons on the site.
A number of US government vehicles sat in the car park, covered in snow.
We were not allowed into most of the buildings and saw no more than a dozen men and one woman inside.
We were taken into a building where one of the protestors said he had been sleeping. It appeared to be a gym for the federal employees who usually manage this land.
There were cans of chicken noodle soup, oranges, apples and other food.
Through a glass window we could see a man and a woman cooking food in a kitchen. The site appeared to be in good condition.
Yes, the "site appears to be in good condition" - for now.
Three administration officials who spoke to Reuters said federal authorities are "following U.S. policy guidelines instituted to prevent standoffs from turning violent in the wake of deadly clashes at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas in the early 1990s."
It's unclear how long that protocol will last, but rest assured, there's only so long the government is going to allow this sideshow to persist. After all, if one bird sanctuary falls to "militants", what's to keep another from falling tomorrow? Before long, there may be no federally administered bird sanctuaries left.
All sarcasm aside, the question here is clearly this: how long will it be before the government abandons the new "policy guidelines" and reverts to the pre-Waco strategy that would see the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge turned into a bad day in Fallujah?
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I wonder why the Ferguson or Baltimore protesters were never told "it's time for you to leave".
Had a Black Lives Matter group camped out in Minneapolis outside a police station for over a week. Cops finally rolled through at 3:00 AM and rousted them, arresting the ones not willing to leave. Shocking for a Lib State like Minnesota. Of course, none of the Black Lives crowd were armed.
I will say it's impressive these rednecks figured out how to tweet.
speaking of better tactics:: anybody know where the judge and sheriff live?
hunting accidents and such..hole up in remote cabin middle of winter..not too impressed by bundy's tactics.
Those "rednecks" would lay down their lives fighting for YOUR rights, asshole.
"Wendy Bull, a teacher who speaks for her social worker beta husband, calls them (oooooh) 'domestic terrorists.'"
F'n liberals! Can't make this stuff up.
Both living off the government (taxpayer) money trough!
Damn liberals. If only we could eliminate them. Wouldn't everything be better if we all had the same (conservative) views? Why do we tolerate people with unacceptable opinions?
It seems that a lot of environmentalists are taking an anti bundy line
This article was posted yesterday on Counterpunch by an “environmental educator” from Portland calls it, “an act of terrorism.”
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/01/04/the-bundy-militia-raid-on-burns-w...
How does someone address their grievances without ending up on some watch list or an IRS audit??
They post anonymously on blogs, hoping the next guy will do it for them.
Wrong time, wrong place.
When the Boston Massacre happened in March, 1770, our forefathers did not run for their guns. John Adams defended the soldiers out of a loyalty to The Law. He became a Founding Father and Advocate for American Liberty.
Not until the Patriots had allowed the King to step on his dick enough times to make more and more Americans aware, did we defend ourselves. Repeat- Defend Ourselves.
Not until General Gage set out to disarm the regulated (organized) Militia, steal their food and medical supplies did we strike.
Let the Statists step on their dicks until we face a Lexington and Concord. That's when all else at peaceful change stops and we fight back. Patience in the face of Tyranny and Adversity sustained out Founders. We must do the same.
Seizing a remote property- even if the .politburo took the land unconstitutionally- reminds me of John Brown's seizure of the armory at Harper's Ferry. One of the soldiers relieving the arsenal was Robert E Lee. When the time was right, he defended his home and state.
Patience. Patience until every option runs out and it begins to hurt. Patience until They come for your community and everyone knows why.
How on earth did you draw that conclusion from this article that couldn't even tell you why they were there?
Back to youtube.
I have already read about 20 articles on the story, the backstory, and the egregious actions of the .politburo.
I looked up the Law in the Constitution. I sourced my opinion from non-mainstream sources.
But you live in India.
When was there ever a civil war in dot head country?
They are too busy screwing and making babies, cheating, lying, and stealing and fighting the mooslims to care about their own corrupt government that fucks them in the ass.
Indians are such trash, with superiority complexes.
If only there were no liberals, we wouldn't have these problems.
If only there were no Fed, we wouldn't have these problems. If only we didn't have a dumbed-down populace who, when asked (kudos Mark Dice), couldn't fnd a national monument such as Mt. Rushmore on the map, we wouldn't have these problems. If only there was a Constitutional Republic, we wouldn't have these problems. If only we had a goverent where the Representatives actually upheld their oaths to the Constitution, we wouldn't have these problems. If only the people took a stand, we wouldn't have these problems. Oh, wait a minute.... Someone is. I guess it ain't a convenient time.
Talk about leftard projection, social workers aka CPS are the REAL domestic terrorists. And she's married to one.
prison for a brush fire in the middle of nowhere? Do you feel any less free when the police set up drunk driving check lanes on holidays and direct every car over to be checked? I believe we have a right to be secure in our residences and possessions. I think I read that somewhere once. There is a move afoot in congress to sell Federal lands back to individual states. The BLM doesnt know how to manage anything. See, government spends only money it takes from our pockets. Government only manages anything it does to the lowest common denominator. That the TSA could let through 85% plus of fake bombs at check points and the whole program wasnt scrapped within a month tells you all you need to know about employees on thes government dole.
A park ranger at a National Park makes more annually than 60% of the population and retires with a pension and benefits as long as they are not pushing up daisies. We need a monstrous douching in this country. I do not believe an armed camp in wide open spaces is the area to push it. I still shudder when I recall Waco. I believe the group should back down. They have a snow balls chance in hell of defeating the Feds. While making a statement as a martyr seems to be somewhat heroic in the proper circumstances, this isnt the circumstance.
We have murderers being released from prison to kill again after 5 to 7 years. These men being sent for more prison time for burning brush on private lands is a bit of a travesty. me spending over 800 dollars in tolls on top of Federal gasoline taxes for roadways seems a travesty. Me needing a firearm owner ID card issued by the State Police to buy ammunition in Illinois seems a bit of a stretch. I could go on. My hope is these men head home. Alive in one piece.
I have a friend who owns a lumber milling operation. He had an employee die on the job yesterday. A man working. A man working to provide for his family. A man living the dream. A man where one is still free to decide what he wants to do for a living. A man working around heavy and dangerous equipment. A man who died way too young. Life is prescious. I hope no men die for nothing out there.
only problem is, the douching required is so large, in order to be effective its basically going to be called a revolution
If ZH wont post this, I will then....Its time to take a few minutes and actually read (and even memorize), Patrick Henry "give me liberty or give me death"
here is a link...READ IT!!!!
http://www.history.org/almanack/life/politics/giveme.cfm
Ah.
Patrick Henry.
Looks like an honest man to me.
So few around today.
Especially tapping their computers in the comfort of their homes.
I would say about 1% of the hedge support these militia supporting the constitution.
Life will always be the 3% with balls.
The other sellouts want to wait for trump the sellout to get elected.
Like one person can change anything with rehtoric, to make up for the testosterone they lack.
Lick your chaines, bitchez!
The sheriff is extremely pissed because his donut shop time is being seriously compromised - if all federal employees were given a 12 month severance package, this country would begin to recover from the Potemkin village it has become...
It's annoying that they eat so many donuts but they don't use the gyms that we paid out the ass for, so we will end up paying even more out the ass for their medical problems.
Being that they are allowing the police to act like the military they should be making these guys run around the block in the morning and do some sit-ups.
"Wendy Bull, a teacher in Burns whose husband, a social worker, operates a local clinic run by the U.S. Veteran Affairs Department, says the men are "Domestic Terrorists".
Her husband is a social worker? Well that's embarrassing! It may not be a bad thing that they are throwing this term terrorist around so excessively because maybe will realize we need to do something about that.
"We need to stick to the narrative", one told us as he explained why we needed to wait for their leader Ammon Bundy.
Either that guy isn't the sharpest tool in the shed or somebody should check him for spook credentials.
does a community organizer rank above or below a social worker if you know
Shit, that is a tough one. I am going to have to go with social worker there.
Two men who have served their original sentences for a successful fire-fighting backfire 'crime', are being forced back to jail. What better time is there than now to show a corrupt BLM and their vassal re-sentencing judge, in a peaceful way, that federal agency collusion will not be tolerated? And refuge occupation is a blunderous way to generate support and public awareness.
https://youtu.be/4zb-Zx7zGjY
Get the full story above.
For those of you that are just too busy or intentionally may not have taken the time to find out just what is going on in Oregon, here is a link I found with the back story at the conservative tree house:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going...
After reading that, check out this update from the same blog:
http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/04/unbelievable-update-orego...
My questions: When IS the right time to start saying no to big government?
When does the little guy (you and I) start standing up and defending our constitutional rights?
And when the little guy does stand up, when is it ok for the rest of us to stand with him and support him?
Some of you are saying it's already too late, liberty is dead, the constitution is dead. Where were you before they died?
(I'm not worried. I'm already on the list.)
yep read that and it is a pretty good digest of the whle thing. Surely the Hammonds are not on board the takeover over the federal buidings and just wish this would end. Theyt already left for prison and while the sentence is a total miscarriage of justice (just-us?) they only want to inform others of what happened.
Screw the Frds. Everything they claim to have was the people's and they stole it. They're all traitors. Any Fed who gets violent should be dealt with in like kind. How about THEY pack up and go home. They're thieves and liars.
Fedcoat troopahs aren't gonna stop unless/until the paychecks bounce or they're room-temp.
The following active hashtags pretty much sum it up:
#VanillaISIS
#YallQaeda
As far as grazing goes on Fed lands, they are doing at a 93% discount to fees charged for private lands....
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-armed-oregon-ranchers-who-want-f...
Cry me a river...
Do you live in USSA east? If you could see how the Feds have destroyed the West, you might understand.
How much are Native Americans charged for grazing rights .... oh, yeah .... Native Americans are a giant welfare suck ?
Native Americans should take up arms and defend their rights .... wait ... oh... forget it. They should have set up a Homeland Security department, that would have solved it
Almost forgot
#YokelHaram
I wonder want the reaction here would be if it was the Black Panthers demanding justice for any one of a number of shootings...
#Samedifference....
Why don't your black panthers put some food on the table .... they haven't been productive contributors to society .... since they joined the liberal plantation .... in 1865 .... but, they do like their EBT cards and BEEEEEF ?
You don't read much do you? The BPP has called for violence against whites and police for years and the gov't does nothing. Just like it did nothing when the BPP stood outside the Philly voting station with clubs trying to intimidate people.
Could you provid examples in the last 25 years?
It is truly fitting that a bunch of right wing loons took over a bird sanctuary gift shop...
welp, if anyone around here wasnt convinced you're a tool just yet, you just put that to rest
Yawn...
I notice that no one disputes the massive discount that these clowns get....
I just mentioned the corn subsidy .... that's way better than a discount .... and volume discounts are market related .... grandma may charge more for leasing a few acres of bottom land near town ?
Yawn.....once again coming in with half the story in your head...
The federal gov't should not "own" all of that land to begin with. 45% of all land in western states is federally owned. That needs to change.
If they planted corn .... they'd get a subsidy .... or raise Bison .... the left hates our freedom .... and beef is what's for dinner ?
IF these guys were black the media would be calling them heros. Look this is about race.
Everything is about race these days. Look at the TV commercials today. Mixed race couples and families, all so happy with the case of Preparation H they just bought. All shoved in our faces constantly now to look normal. Look at the new Star Wars movie. A love affair brewing between the white heroine and the black storm trooper guy. Race is now always in our faces just like the LGBT stuff.
and Disney acting as one of the spearheads of this, not? but there is another component: youth. specifically, the composition of US youth, i.e. the new consumer generation