Many price-battered precious metals investors may currently be sitting on some quantity of capital that they plan to convert into gold and silver, but they are wondering when “the best time” is to do...
So shibumi, am I to gather that's it's ok to do anything, legal or not, as long as I've gotten out of a Lazyboy, put down the beer so as to accomplish anything?
oBame was PLACED in office, bitch! He is NOT a citizen! He did NOT graduate college! You would think you would at least do a little research on your own before you'd open your mouth.
Besides that, I personally have done a LOT and put my ass on the line! it's YOU that hasn't done anything worth talking about and never will, period!
Shaddup... You sound like a mental midget. A mental midget with ZERO proof of your bullshit assertions. Oh wait, I know, you heard it from a guy that heard from a guy that really knows and that other guy backed it from the Interweb...
If he hadn't been paid and pushed, this dumb ass mulatto would still be a couch-bound stoner. Never wrote a paper, never published an article, and never wrote one of his shitty books. If you call being dragged along on someone else's dime and then spending the majority of your time in the WH ignoring cabinet briefings and playing golf while the country and world ignited around you, yeah, you're a winner.
This is why you do not elect to the government someone who was not raised completely within the American culture. So all you Cruz backers need to take a hard look at what Obama was and realize Cruz is exactly the same thing as Obama.
I'm not defending Ofraudma but in reality the Constitution and the nation for which it stood was usurped a long time before this POS ever set foot on the scene. The building blocks of usurpation have been gradually set since at least the administration of Lincoln, to whom O likes to compare himself. The war of the states was effectively the Federal Gov. reneging on the agreement for the rights of the states to secede. Later in 1912 the private central bank (Fed Reserve) was created under the cloak of darkness. World War 1, World War 2, assassination of Kennedy and lastly the placement of Barack Obama (akin to Kennedy Assassination) as POTUS was the final block to be placed. Thousands of intertwined actions have taken place as well. Most notably, the formation of unelected bureaucratic agencies who make, impose and enforce law against and upon the citizens. Where we are today has been a slow malignant growth.
Like a damn that rises around a river, the gates are being closed to "test" the strength of the new channel. The population has been taunted and primed to help bring in the new era. Every component of US society has a perceived enemy within the culture. While everyone is preoccupied in hating someone while the elephant in the room is ignored. When each person has reached their limit and civil war breaks out then martial law will, by necessity, be imposed, and the Constitution suspended formally. The only difference between now and then is the Constitution was already displaced. It was just not realized.
FYI. 99.9% percent of the hardworking American people think thats bullshit and will not back up your "rising tide" bullshit.
Latest dispatch from Oregon. Apparently all the Moscow based "Facebook patriots" forgot to show up...
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Captain Moroni said he participated in the 2014 Bundy Ranch standoff, and he was disappointed that more protesters did not arrive.
“I feel quite betrayed. It’s been on Facebook that everyone is going to come. And we show up, and everyone just craps out,” he said. “You come up here, ready to get killed if we have to and these people are just on Facebook about it.
“I feel quite betrayed. It’s been on Facebook that everyone is going to come."............per El Capitan MORONi......L.O.L...try takin over something useful you fucking dick for brains! NOT some dump in the wilderness that has a us gov stamp on it. Try the fucking Eccles Building, or Walled Street, or even 1600 Putrid Avenue! Then post it to ASSbook and see who shows up outta the woods. Lotsa gumption there cecil, just not enough live brain cells left. oh well, forgot, it's oregun.................ps..advice from 1 gun lover to another........jus sayin
Not sure the constitution waited as long as The War of Federal Aggression to be usurped. The supposed wise and wonderful framers knew they were hypocrites the second they signed it. “All men are created equal?” Sure, if you weren’t black, yellow, or red, and didn’t have breasts, for that matter. The framers/signers knew they left a hole you could ride a horse through. Special interest has ruled the day since the beginning. Certain interests had to be placated in order to sign. It’s that simple. America has never been the country people seem to think they want to go back to.
Then Franklin didn't sign what he thought he did. Amazing how people like you cling to supposed words that were said hundreds of years ago. An urban legend if ever there was one. The fact is simple, the signers scribbled their names on a document who's greatest princple was that ALL men were created equal. In fact, they were not. The constitution is a wonderful document, but nothing more in practice. It has never been adhered to, period.
Prove that all men and women and stupid people are equal then.
Create a new country. Overthrow the current monarchy of the .fedgov and create a new constitution yourself. I double dog dare you.
(Hint: It was a jab at the monarchy and its "godlike" status, not about slavery and rights of stupid people to be controlled by smarter people, which is natural. The men who signed those two documents were against the monarchy.)
And you seem to be fast and furious with facts, sounds like too much estrogen to me, just sayin.
PS If women were to control the planet we would all be living in mud huts.
These men were far and above anything you will ever accomplish.
What would your Diogenes say about your ramblings? He’d say you haven’t a clue. Moreover, he’d explain virtue to you. Ya see, it’s about practice, not theory. The Constitution is great in theory, but your signers that you feel were so virtuous, in fact were not, as they failed the virtue “test” of action which is where they would have been exposed had Diogenes been alive.
I think at the time of it's writing it represented a concensus that the existing colonies, being of different opinions could agree to so your right, it was not perfect. If there is a dismay today it may be that those rights that were recognized then for "free men" are no longer recognized today? Maybe a document that meets the purest needs of civilization is impossible to write at any level given the "nature" of mankind. The oligarchs are slaves to their lust for money, power and control. As a serf I am a slave to the oligarchs in a thousand ways each day. In reality there is no true freedom until death. With that, speaking for myself, I still choose (prefer) taxes, injustice and Obama as POTUS over dying. Those may be the short hairs they have us over.
I gave you an up vote because you seem more rational than first thought.
The FACT is that there is n o s u c h t h i n g as a "free man". Ever. Period. The guy that boasts all day long about freedom this and that but when the phone rings -- "freedom guy" quick steps his way straight back home to vacum and clean up the dog shit in the back yard because the wife just told him to...
Freedom is a mindset. If your neighbor is an asshole and parks jalopies in front of your house -- and you've tried and tried to make him stop (hes not breaking any laws and is afforded protection under the US Constitution) then *YOU* HAVE NO FREEDOM.
Freedom is a mindset and esoteric meaning defined by civility and goodwill of man.
Coming from a background in anthrolpology I'm here to tell you that you are full of shit. Lots of humans have lived without anything like the opression we experience today... but it requires a very small autonomous society comprised of 150 warm bodies or less and no notable division of labor. In other words you can't get freedom AND civilization. Won't happen. Big systems are tyrannical... Period end of sentence.
Dude please... the HUMAN SPECIES is tyrannical. Every mechanical and societal sytem can or will be tyrannical even to a party of two individuals over something simple. Full stop.
It was usurped from Day One or, to put it another way, the oligarchical Founding Fathers actually wrote a ME document.
They (the collective ME of liked-minded land and slave owners) wrote fine-sounding words and principles, which successive generations of sheeple imagined applied to them to, but they never did and fleecing has never ceased, even if there was a brief period of somewhat shared affluence from the 1950s to the late 1970s.
Prior to then - and increasingly since - so-called "rights" only applied to the rich 'elite', such as major land owners, corporate heads and top banksters of course.
At the start, c.1776, the Constitution ONLY really applied to White disgruntled (with King George) European colonists, NOT to any other man, not to any woman, no black person and especially not any indigenous person.
Things are going back to square one, but absent the "future promise" of unlimitted imperial expansion to prop the economy.
And just to make things clearer:
Both English and US people commonly believe that Magna Carta gave them "rights". WRONG. It was a document which the Robber Barons got King John to sign, so that they would get a larger share of tax collections.
See the connection? The Founding Oligarchs objected to paying taxes to King George. Neither they, nor the Robber Barons gave a stuff about the common people they themselves taxed.
Reality check. Forget the centuries-old BS most people have swallowed.
I'm not important enough to have any impact on the PTB, so I can say what I like about almost anything, but if someone of real influence - such as JFK - says anything to rock the boat, expect "an accident".
Of course JFK was not questioning the Constitution, but was rather trying to put part of it into practice by the issuance of sovereign money, nevertheless "freedom of speech" is a variable "right" ... just ask Martin Luther King. Oh you can't he got assassinated.
OK then ask Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange, who is not even a US citizen - neither am I and I never had to clutch my little fist to my chest and spout BS at school, so maybe from a distance I can see clearer than you.
I've had a couple of run-ins with the Australian Federal Police for speeking out of turn, but that's another story and the kind of trouble sheeple like you will never get into. Logically.
1) You know for a fact that JFK was assassinated because of his position on "sovereign money"? Really? You know that how?
2) Snowden? A foreign asset from the get go. Lest I remind you that he was fired from the CIA for trying to pilfer top secret documents unrelated to "personal surveillance". Why would he do such a thing? So much for defending humanity from surveillance -- which BTW begs the real question (not the bullshit distortion) about why a guy out to save the world from oppressive surveillance -- becomes a citizen of a country providing some of the most oppressive surveillance on this planet.
3) Sheeple? Define sheeple. The entire "concept" around sheeple relates to enlightenment. Now, you may say, 9-11 was an inside job, Sandy Hook is fake, Ed Snowden is a good guy, Elvis is still alive and Obama is a CIA time jumper (no shit. people believe that) and if you don't follow those lines of "enlightenment" -- then you are a sheeple. The egocentric nature of this supposed enlightenment is often coupled with pathology. If those that are sheeple prefer not to aggrandize and bask in this "privileged enlightenment" -- then I'm really fucking happy to be a sheeple. Perhaps I see more clearly than you think. Obviously.
You just hoist yourself on your own petard in numerous ways, which I cannot be bothered to list - maybe someone else in ZH will bother to, but what's the point?
I am thinking that the primary reason for the Colonies wanting to join together was for their combined strength against England. I'm not sure an altruistic reason existed that all men would benefit from the association. Those who would benefit were those who worked for themselves (self sufficient) and wanted the protection for that right. If it were written today the verbiage might be entirely different. We the people, in order to be provided for by the government.. could very well be the opening line. As some who call for a second Constitutional Convention may not realize, is that the new document might not resemble the first in any manner. Nation's around the world, over thrown in the last half century invariably write a "new" constitution for their newly created "democracy". Does the UN have a boiler plate edition that they provide?
Just one point I can’t endorse. The idea that colonists wanted to band together was not the reason for the words that all men are equal. The constitution didn’t want to create the idea that all men are equal. It more strongly points out that we are all equal simply by being alive. All men are equal was “Declared
From what I have read - which fits with observations about revolutions, etc. world-wide - only about 10% of the population of the Colonies played any active role in the Wars of Independence.
I have no idea about the breakdown of the numbers - maybe I'll try to find out, if figures are available - but I would not mind betting that most were fellow land-owners and/or people with other business interests which stood to profit (potentially?) from sending revenue to London.
One thing I am certain of: 60-80% of the population were variously too ill-informed, too poor, completely disenfranchised anyway (e.g. slaves and natives), too busy going about their ordinary lives, basically content with how things were, etc..
Regardless of the Founding Oligarchs intents - which definitely varied - it was only ever a "Revolution by the few, for the few."
A new Constution can never be written, because that unique period in history can never be repeated, e.g. a relatively small population of nearly all Anglo-European descent, including "indentured servants" (prisoners sent to what were the Penal Colonies before Australia had to be colonised to replace the N American ones - did you know that?) Of course slaves and natives did not count, though I've read that some natives fought with the revolutionary armies - could be wrong about that.
I note your Libertarian cynicism in, "We the people, in order to be provided for by the government.. could very well be the opening line." Sorry but I don't have a lot of time for doctrinaire Libertarians - nor any other ideologues of any stripe - but I have answered you anyway in mostly factual fashion.
I do get a kick out of the crew on MSNBC as they look in the camera and say, well the President is just passing the laws that Congress won't pass. And they think they are intelligent. Nothing but a bunch of parrotting ass clowns. Josh Earnest is their hero.
Watch the video of the blonde standing behind teary eyed Obama as he was breaking down over the FEMA drill and the faked deaths of the little kids. It looks like she is stiffling a laugh and had to turn her head away from the camera. Obama touches his eye with his finger and suddenly there are tears. Next he touches the other eye and then more tears. What the hell did he have on the end of his finger..Michaels juices?
Down vote. After all, you prove to be mentally deficient.
Sandy Hook.
The government faked >
1) All those children.
2) All those childrens parents.
3) All those childrens grandpoarents.
4) All those childrens friends.
5) All those childrens soccer and little league coaches.
6) All those childrens priests, ministers and synagogues
7) All those childrens pediatricians and dentists to include medical and dental records back to birth.
8) All those childrens social security numbers going back to birth (they knew they'd need this faked years in advance)
9) All those childrens homes (and neighbor witnessess)
10) Tens of thousands of photos, report cards, school class pictures going back to birth
11) Bla.
12) Fuck.
13) Fuck some more.
Do you have any fucking clue how stupid you sound wit this Sandy hook bullshit? How hard would it be to FAKE ALL those records, people and events going back to the birth of these supposed "fake victims"?
Besides absurd. The mental depravity to believe and worse yet -- traffic in this outrageous conspiracy garbage requires a very special typr of moron -- one know on a whole list of federl watch lists -- and thabnkfully so because these are Timothy McVeigh typoes eight days a week and twice on Sunday -- unless of course, Sundays are also fake...
I have to correct you, our resident alpha - there's a very high opinion of oneself if ever I saw one - has been hanging around ZH for 18 weeks AND 1 day! What a splendid long-service record.
It's always amusing to see this "eighteen weeks, one day, 16 minute, 22 second" bullshit...
That means WHAT exactly? Are you geniuses suggesting that until someone crosses some time based threshold their posts won't be true or accurate? Maybe before a certain amount of time, the poster is on double double probation? Lol...
Here's the asinine fact. Every single one of you bozos thought YOUR posts were the real deal from minute-one-day one and you know that is no bullshit...
The IDF doesn't count schlomo.
Sorry.
Perhaps your reading comprehension needs work. Makes sense considering the rest of that garble fumbling out your head...
I said "this" country Ahmed Snackbar...
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Sorry to tell but working the corner you did as Norfolk rent boy is not count for serving country.
So shibumi, am I to gather that's it's ok to do anything, legal or not, as long as I've gotten out of a Lazyboy, put down the beer so as to accomplish anything?
oBame was PLACED in office, bitch! He is NOT a citizen! He did NOT graduate college! You would think you would at least do a little research on your own before you'd open your mouth.
Besides that, I personally have done a LOT and put my ass on the line! it's YOU that hasn't done anything worth talking about and never will, period!
Shaddup... You sound like a mental midget. A mental midget with ZERO proof of your bullshit assertions. Oh wait, I know, you heard it from a guy that heard from a guy that really knows and that other guy backed it from the Interweb...
If he hadn't been paid and pushed, this dumb ass mulatto would still be a couch-bound stoner. Never wrote a paper, never published an article, and never wrote one of his shitty books. If you call being dragged along on someone else's dime and then spending the majority of your time in the WH ignoring cabinet briefings and playing golf while the country and world ignited around you, yeah, you're a winner.
O has a Shaka Zulu mentality
fuck him
It's for the children.
This is why you do not elect to the government someone who was not raised completely within the American culture. So all you Cruz backers need to take a hard look at what Obama was and realize Cruz is exactly the same thing as Obama.
Cruz is worse! Where does his wife work? Answer that, and you have my one and only reason for not voting for Cruz. A hint: TBTF.
Heidi Cruz is a managing director at Goldman Sachs.
Bingo, Charlie!!
I'm not defending Ofraudma but in reality the Constitution and the nation for which it stood was usurped a long time before this POS ever set foot on the scene. The building blocks of usurpation have been gradually set since at least the administration of Lincoln, to whom O likes to compare himself. The war of the states was effectively the Federal Gov. reneging on the agreement for the rights of the states to secede. Later in 1912 the private central bank (Fed Reserve) was created under the cloak of darkness. World War 1, World War 2, assassination of Kennedy and lastly the placement of Barack Obama (akin to Kennedy Assassination) as POTUS was the final block to be placed. Thousands of intertwined actions have taken place as well. Most notably, the formation of unelected bureaucratic agencies who make, impose and enforce law against and upon the citizens. Where we are today has been a slow malignant growth.
Like a damn that rises around a river, the gates are being closed to "test" the strength of the new channel. The population has been taunted and primed to help bring in the new era. Every component of US society has a perceived enemy within the culture. While everyone is preoccupied in hating someone while the elephant in the room is ignored. When each person has reached their limit and civil war breaks out then martial law will, by necessity, be imposed, and the Constitution suspended formally. The only difference between now and then is the Constitution was already displaced. It was just not realized.
FYI. 99.9% percent of the hardworking American people think thats bullshit and will not back up your "rising tide" bullshit.
Latest dispatch from Oregon. Apparently all the Moscow based "Facebook patriots" forgot to show up...
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Captain Moroni said he participated in the 2014 Bundy Ranch standoff, and he was disappointed that more protesters did not arrive.
“I feel quite betrayed. It’s been on Facebook that everyone is going to come. And we show up, and everyone just craps out,” he said. “You come up here, ready to get killed if we have to and these people are just on Facebook about it.
Your troll shift will be over in 3.5 hours. Hope you have someone at the bathhouse to ease your tensions.
https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/723
I work free overtime exposing those douchebag "patriots"...
They act like uneducated cry babies raised by yuppies that want want want and think they can take it any way they want...
“I feel quite betrayed. It’s been on Facebook that everyone is going to come."............per El Capitan MORONi......L.O.L...try takin over something useful you fucking dick for brains! NOT some dump in the wilderness that has a us gov stamp on it. Try the fucking Eccles Building, or Walled Street, or even 1600 Putrid Avenue! Then post it to ASSbook and see who shows up outta the woods. Lotsa gumption there cecil, just not enough live brain cells left. oh well, forgot, it's oregun.................ps..advice from 1 gun lover to another........jus sayin
Rev.,
Not sure the constitution waited as long as The War of Federal Aggression to be usurped. The supposed wise and wonderful framers knew they were hypocrites the second they signed it. “All men are created equal?” Sure, if you weren’t black, yellow, or red, and didn’t have breasts, for that matter. The framers/signers knew they left a hole you could ride a horse through. Special interest has ruled the day since the beginning. Certain interests had to be placated in order to sign. It’s that simple. America has never been the country people seem to think they want to go back to.
Blah blah blah blah
Make up excusses all you want.
Don't blame the founders of this nation for what the rest of the society could not do.
Frankln said, "a REPUBLIC, If you can keep it".
The founders were great men and created something never seen before in History. Lets see you do better!
Are you a female?
Cause you sound like one.
And women have created ZERO civilizations.
Then Franklin didn't sign what he thought he did. Amazing how people like you cling to supposed words that were said hundreds of years ago. An urban legend if ever there was one. The fact is simple, the signers scribbled their names on a document who's greatest princple was that ALL men were created equal. In fact, they were not. The constitution is a wonderful document, but nothing more in practice. It has never been adhered to, period.
Prove that all men and women and stupid people are equal then.
Create a new country. Overthrow the current monarchy of the .fedgov and create a new constitution yourself. I double dog dare you.
(Hint: It was a jab at the monarchy and its "godlike" status, not about slavery and rights of stupid people to be controlled by smarter people, which is natural. The men who signed those two documents were against the monarchy.)
And you seem to be fast and furious with facts, sounds like too much estrogen to me, just sayin.
PS If women were to control the planet we would all be living in mud huts.
These men were far and above anything you will ever accomplish.
You are simply envious and jealous.
Wow, still clinging to the name calling?
What would your Diogenes say about your ramblings? He’d say you haven’t a clue. Moreover, he’d explain virtue to you. Ya see, it’s about practice, not theory. The Constitution is great in theory, but your signers that you feel were so virtuous, in fact were not, as they failed the virtue “test” of action which is where they would have been exposed had Diogenes been alive.
You do know that almost all of your posts make you sound like a stark raving lunatic... right?
I think at the time of it's writing it represented a concensus that the existing colonies, being of different opinions could agree to so your right, it was not perfect. If there is a dismay today it may be that those rights that were recognized then for "free men" are no longer recognized today? Maybe a document that meets the purest needs of civilization is impossible to write at any level given the "nature" of mankind. The oligarchs are slaves to their lust for money, power and control. As a serf I am a slave to the oligarchs in a thousand ways each day. In reality there is no true freedom until death. With that, speaking for myself, I still choose (prefer) taxes, injustice and Obama as POTUS over dying. Those may be the short hairs they have us over.
I gave you an up vote because you seem more rational than first thought.
The FACT is that there is n o s u c h t h i n g as a "free man". Ever. Period. The guy that boasts all day long about freedom this and that but when the phone rings -- "freedom guy" quick steps his way straight back home to vacum and clean up the dog shit in the back yard because the wife just told him to...
Freedom is a mindset. If your neighbor is an asshole and parks jalopies in front of your house -- and you've tried and tried to make him stop (hes not breaking any laws and is afforded protection under the US Constitution) then *YOU* HAVE NO FREEDOM.
Freedom is a mindset and esoteric meaning defined by civility and goodwill of man.
Coming from a background in anthrolpology I'm here to tell you that you are full of shit. Lots of humans have lived without anything like the opression we experience today... but it requires a very small autonomous society comprised of 150 warm bodies or less and no notable division of labor. In other words you can't get freedom AND civilization. Won't happen. Big systems are tyrannical... Period end of sentence.
Dude please... the HUMAN SPECIES is tyrannical. Every mechanical and societal sytem can or will be tyrannical even to a party of two individuals over something simple. Full stop.
It was usurped from Day One or, to put it another way, the oligarchical Founding Fathers actually wrote a ME document.
They (the collective ME of liked-minded land and slave owners) wrote fine-sounding words and principles, which successive generations of sheeple imagined applied to them to, but they never did and fleecing has never ceased, even if there was a brief period of somewhat shared affluence from the 1950s to the late 1970s.
Prior to then - and increasingly since - so-called "rights" only applied to the rich 'elite', such as major land owners, corporate heads and top banksters of course.
At the start, c.1776, the Constitution ONLY really applied to White disgruntled (with King George) European colonists, NOT to any other man, not to any woman, no black person and especially not any indigenous person.
Things are going back to square one, but absent the "future promise" of unlimitted imperial expansion to prop the economy.
And just to make things clearer:
Both English and US people commonly believe that Magna Carta gave them "rights". WRONG. It was a document which the Robber Barons got King John to sign, so that they would get a larger share of tax collections.
See the connection? The Founding Oligarchs objected to paying taxes to King George. Neither they, nor the Robber Barons gave a stuff about the common people they themselves taxed.
Reality check. Forget the centuries-old BS most people have swallowed.
Yea but you have "the rights" to write what you just did. Catch 22 in your logic?
ROFLOL
I'm not important enough to have any impact on the PTB, so I can say what I like about almost anything, but if someone of real influence - such as JFK - says anything to rock the boat, expect "an accident".
Of course JFK was not questioning the Constitution, but was rather trying to put part of it into practice by the issuance of sovereign money, nevertheless "freedom of speech" is a variable "right" ... just ask Martin Luther King. Oh you can't he got assassinated.
OK then ask Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange, who is not even a US citizen - neither am I and I never had to clutch my little fist to my chest and spout BS at school, so maybe from a distance I can see clearer than you.
I've had a couple of run-ins with the Australian Federal Police for speeking out of turn, but that's another story and the kind of trouble sheeple like you will never get into. Logically.
1) You know for a fact that JFK was assassinated because of his position on "sovereign money"? Really? You know that how?
2) Snowden? A foreign asset from the get go. Lest I remind you that he was fired from the CIA for trying to pilfer top secret documents unrelated to "personal surveillance". Why would he do such a thing? So much for defending humanity from surveillance -- which BTW begs the real question (not the bullshit distortion) about why a guy out to save the world from oppressive surveillance -- becomes a citizen of a country providing some of the most oppressive surveillance on this planet.
3) Sheeple? Define sheeple. The entire "concept" around sheeple relates to enlightenment. Now, you may say, 9-11 was an inside job, Sandy Hook is fake, Ed Snowden is a good guy, Elvis is still alive and Obama is a CIA time jumper (no shit. people believe that) and if you don't follow those lines of "enlightenment" -- then you are a sheeple. The egocentric nature of this supposed enlightenment is often coupled with pathology. If those that are sheeple prefer not to aggrandize and bask in this "privileged enlightenment" -- then I'm really fucking happy to be a sheeple. Perhaps I see more clearly than you think. Obviously.
You just hoist yourself on your own petard in numerous ways, which I cannot be bothered to list - maybe someone else in ZH will bother to, but what's the point?
Oh, I see that you like to traffic in your own personal version of Pyrrhic victory. Think about that...
I am thinking that the primary reason for the Colonies wanting to join together was for their combined strength against England. I'm not sure an altruistic reason existed that all men would benefit from the association. Those who would benefit were those who worked for themselves (self sufficient) and wanted the protection for that right. If it were written today the verbiage might be entirely different. We the people, in order to be provided for by the government.. could very well be the opening line. As some who call for a second Constitutional Convention may not realize, is that the new document might not resemble the first in any manner. Nation's around the world, over thrown in the last half century invariably write a "new" constitution for their newly created "democracy". Does the UN have a boiler plate edition that they provide?
Rev.,
Just one point I can’t endorse. The idea that colonists wanted to band together was not the reason for the words that all men are equal. The constitution didn’t want to create the idea that all men are equal. It more strongly points out that we are all equal simply by being alive. All men are equal was “Declared
From what I have read - which fits with observations about revolutions, etc. world-wide - only about 10% of the population of the Colonies played any active role in the Wars of Independence.
I have no idea about the breakdown of the numbers - maybe I'll try to find out, if figures are available - but I would not mind betting that most were fellow land-owners and/or people with other business interests which stood to profit (potentially?) from sending revenue to London.
One thing I am certain of: 60-80% of the population were variously too ill-informed, too poor, completely disenfranchised anyway (e.g. slaves and natives), too busy going about their ordinary lives, basically content with how things were, etc..
Regardless of the Founding Oligarchs intents - which definitely varied - it was only ever a "Revolution by the few, for the few."
A new Constution can never be written, because that unique period in history can never be repeated, e.g. a relatively small population of nearly all Anglo-European descent, including "indentured servants" (prisoners sent to what were the Penal Colonies before Australia had to be colonised to replace the N American ones - did you know that?) Of course slaves and natives did not count, though I've read that some natives fought with the revolutionary armies - could be wrong about that.
I note your Libertarian cynicism in, "We the people, in order to be provided for by the government.. could very well be the opening line." Sorry but I don't have a lot of time for doctrinaire Libertarians - nor any other ideologues of any stripe - but I have answered you anyway in mostly factual fashion.
Thanks for the input.
You are welcome.
it's missing Paul Ryan handing him extra clips
I do get a kick out of the crew on MSNBC as they look in the camera and say, well the President is just passing the laws that Congress won't pass. And they think they are intelligent. Nothing but a bunch of parrotting ass clowns. Josh Earnest is their hero.
Watch the video of the blonde standing behind teary eyed Obama as he was breaking down over the FEMA drill and the faked deaths of the little kids. It looks like she is stiffling a laugh and had to turn her head away from the camera. Obama touches his eye with his finger and suddenly there are tears. Next he touches the other eye and then more tears. What the hell did he have on the end of his finger..Michaels juices?
No One Died At Sandy Hook--- https://www.superstation95.com/index.php/world/723
Down vote. After all, you prove to be mentally deficient.
Sandy Hook.
The government faked >
1) All those children.
2) All those childrens parents.
3) All those childrens grandpoarents.
4) All those childrens friends.
5) All those childrens soccer and little league coaches.
6) All those childrens priests, ministers and synagogues
7) All those childrens pediatricians and dentists to include medical and dental records back to birth.
8) All those childrens social security numbers going back to birth (they knew they'd need this faked years in advance)
9) All those childrens homes (and neighbor witnessess)
10) Tens of thousands of photos, report cards, school class pictures going back to birth
11) Bla.
12) Fuck.
13) Fuck some more.
Do you have any fucking clue how stupid you sound wit this Sandy hook bullshit? How hard would it be to FAKE ALL those records, people and events going back to the birth of these supposed "fake victims"?
Besides absurd. The mental depravity to believe and worse yet -- traffic in this outrageous conspiracy garbage requires a very special typr of moron -- one know on a whole list of federl watch lists -- and thabnkfully so because these are Timothy McVeigh typoes eight days a week and twice on Sunday -- unless of course, Sundays are also fake...
sounds like someone's getting time and a half today you fkn media shill.
go look up the logical fallacy called ALIEF, you suffer severely from it.
No Einstein. YOU prove me wrong and come up with PROOF that the government faked ALL the records and info above.
We can wait...
yup.
18 weeks.
I have to correct you, our resident alpha - there's a very high opinion of oneself if ever I saw one - has been hanging around ZH for 18 weeks AND 1 day! What a splendid long-service record.
It's always amusing to see this "eighteen weeks, one day, 16 minute, 22 second" bullshit...
That means WHAT exactly? Are you geniuses suggesting that until someone crosses some time based threshold their posts won't be true or accurate? Maybe before a certain amount of time, the poster is on double double probation? Lol...
Here's the asinine fact. Every single one of you bozos thought YOUR posts were the real deal from minute-one-day one and you know that is no bullshit...
OK
I'll bite.
Prove you wrong...Search "FEMA Capstone 2012"
Then go to the FBI website>>>>Connecticut>>>>>See any murders in Newtown for 2012?
Vagenius.