Internal War Is Now On The Horizon For America
Submitted by Brandon Smith via Alt-Market.com,
If internationalists were to get their way fully with the world and future historians write their analysis from a globalist perspective of the defunct American nation, they will probably say simply that our collapse was brought about by our own incompetence - that we were our own worst enemy. Yes, they would treat America as a cliché. They will of course leave out the destructive influences and engineered disasters of elitists, that would just complicate the narrative.
My hope is that we do not prove these future historians correct, and that they won’t have an opportunity to exist. My work has always been designed to help ensure that resistance thrives, but also that it is pursued in the most intelligent manner possible.
As I write this, China’s stock market has crashed 7% and was shut down by Chinese authorities who are once again initiating outright intervention to stem the tide. U.S. markets are quickly tracking lower. Oil is plummeting.
Relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran have turned ugly, with Iranian protesters overtaking the Saudi embassy and both sides vowing vengeance. Many Americans won’t care much about this because they think it has nothing to do with them. They don’t realize that Saudi Arabia has already publicly suggested a depeg from the U.S. dollar, effectively ending the decades-long relationship between the greenback and oil. The Iranian event and U.S. ties to both nations only make the fall of the dollar’s petro-status more likely in the near term. With the U.S. in the middle, "taking a side" will be a demand. I believe the U.S. government will NOT take a side, and this will elicit a furious response from Saudi Arabia (a currency depeg).
The Obama Administration has just made introductory announcements on new gun control measures through executive order. These announcements were rather light on details and heavy on crocodile tears. Their vagueness is clearly deliberate. Psychological evaluations, redefining who is a lawful firearms dealer, "expanding" background checks; all of these measures could be interpreted broadly to mean almost anything. We will probably know more in the coming weeks.
And in Oregon over the weekend, Ammon Bundy and friends lured hundreds of protesters under false pretenses using the Hammond family tragedy as a vehicle to then initiate a takeover of federal buildings that have no strategic or symbolic value, boxing themselves into a static position and proclaiming themselves to be the “tip of the spear” in the fight against corrupt government. In the meantime, anyone who questions the validity of this idea or the logic behind the “plan” is immediately labeled a coward and “keyboard warrior” by their supporters. Emotionally manipulative arguments abound because there are no tactically rational arguments to be made, which tells me that the plan was doomed before it was implemented.
As I wrote in my article “Oregon standoff a terrible plan that we might be stuck with,” some people (not many but some) in the liberty movement are desperately clamoring for a fight; and they don’t care if the circumstances are intelligently executed or idiotically executed. They only care if it kicks off.
I openly supported and aided the efforts at Bundy Ranch because the ranchers were defending their home from clear federal aggression. The Feds were direct invaders in that scenario. In Oregon, protesters are being perceived as the invaders, not the defenders — and all launched in the name of the Hammond family, who asked them NOT to artificially create a standoff. The two scenarios are polar opposites, and Oregon will end in a very different fashion.
I would just like to note that the Founding Fathers were smart enough to avoid deliberately trapping themselves in static positions on land that had no strategic or symbolic importance while inviting the British to "come and get them". Again, there are right ways and wrong ways to fight tyranny. Simply being willing to fight is not enough.
Now, if Americans are going to create standoff situations that could result in civil war they should do it over draconian gun control measures such as the use of classified government watch lists as grounds for denial of 2nd Amendment rights, rather than using a family who did not want armed support to begin with as a means to an end.
Keep in mind that watch lists are entirely arbitrary. There is no due process involved whatsoever, meaning you or I could walk into a gun store one day only to have our 4473 form denied because some bureaucrat in an office in D.C. decided we said something he doesn’t like and belong on a naughty list. The changing of gun dealer laws could be used to erase gun shows and private sales of firearms as well.
A standoff scenario based on these issues would be a much more practical concept than what is taking place in Oregon.
As our situation in this country becomes more precarious, there are going to be far more flashpoints than anyone will be able to keep track of. It is inevitable that a fight between corrupt elements of the U.S. government and regular people will erupt. I and other analysts have been warning people about this for years. I have been educating people on their preparedness options and tactical resources. I have been promoting community preparedness teams in my work with Oath Keepers and helping to organize such teams in my own part of the country. I even designed the first working thermal evasion suit available to civilians to give people half a chance against advanced weaponry. I have no illusions that a peaceful solution exists. I know that there is no such solution at this point in the game. But when the fighting starts, I also know that those who navigate the storm intelligently rather than allowing their emotions to get the best of them are more likely to survive and succeed.
I cannot say how quickly a crisis will develop. But, I can outline some of the many pitfalls you are going to come across as this storm rises.
False Leadership And Irrational Leadership
You are going to stumble across numerous gung ho activists and even politicians who will claim they have the one and only solution, that they are the real “tip of the spear.” First, if you feel compelled to seek out leaders on the mere basis that they have offered to lead you, then you need to do some soul searching. Become your own leader first. And then, if you meet someone with an excellent plan and a principled motive, give him the time of day, but don’t jump blindly into any situation.
If his plan seems poorly thought out, don’t follow him. If his agenda revolves around his own ego and a desire for personal glory, don’t follow him. If he focuses completely on the Obama administration and ignores the complicity of Republican leadership, don’t follow him. If all he talks about are the evils of the federal government but he ignores the puppet strings that lead to international banks and globalist organizations, don’t follow him. If he refuses to allow his initiatives to be questioned or discussed in a reasonable way, do not follow him. If he acts as if his ideas are sacrosanct and questions your “patriotism” when you do not immediately jump on the bandwagon, do not follow him. Remember, it is the job of this leadership to CONVINCE YOU of the legitimacy of their plan if they are seeking your support. The burden of evidence is on them. It is not your job to support them blindly just because you want to avoid being called a "sunshine patriot".
To summarize, if you are going to follow someone, know him well first, and make sure his planning is solid.
Hotheads And Imbeciles
I’ve found that there are two very frustrating extremes within the liberty movement: the people who embrace pacifism and who refuse to even consider the possibility of a violent conflict and self-defense, and the people who have delusions of being the next George Washington and are ready to dive headlong into any violent confrontation without thinking because they want to cement their own legacy. Neither of these groups seems to be able to treat each event as unique: some events requiring a diplomatic approach and some of them requiring the violence of action.
The pacifists are annoying, but they mostly hurt themselves in their lack of preparedness and a warrior’s mindset. The hotheads are the real problem. If you are only looking for a fight, then one will certainly find you; but any moron can trigger a standoff with the Feds. The point is to be able to make a move that matters in the long run. Hotheads cannot think beyond themselves and their immediate needs. They are like mosquitoes mindlessly hunting for blood. Strategic planning is impossible for them and they will destroy allies in the process of their pursuits.
I hate to say it, but there is a distinct possibility that our current generation of freedom advocates and freedom fighters may not live to see the future we are working toward. That better world built on liberty, individualism and voluntary community is something our children will thrive in, not us. If you are not fighting with a long term strategy in mind, then you have missed the entire point.
Factions And Tribes
Humans in crisis events tend to become more tribal in their associations in order to survive, and this is not necessarily a bad thing. I would rather live in a tribal world than under centralized corrupt government or global government any day. That said, if a “tribe” or faction does not respect the rights of the individual or uses unprovoked violence to achieve its goals, then it is no better than any other tyranny. Never trade safety for tyranny, regardless of the difficulties ahead.
The upside is tyrants of small tribes are easier to deal with than tyrants of large nations. They are no more bulletproof than anyone else, and they don’t have the resources to prevent reprisal if they hurt the wrong people.
Expect that families, neighborhoods, towns, churches, gangs and activist groups will rally around each other as a way to provide security. If you do not already have friends and family on board with your way of thinking, you will be isolated, making survival far more difficult if a breakdown does occur.
Governments Will Not Disappear
I can think of very few scenarios in history in which a crisis or collapse immediately facilitated the fall of the government in power. Rather, the government usually morphs into something else, something more dangerous. In fact, crisis is often the prime excuse used by corrupt officials to rationalize greater controls on the population. This in turn acts as a catalyst for more rebellion, which in turn acts as a vindication of the government’s tyranny.
Does this mean people should not rebel against tyranny? No, it means that we have to fight smart and retain the moral high ground at all times. We must act in a way that exposes the true nature of corrupt government, rather than giving them more ammunition to shoot us down with in the public eye. Above all, if we fight we must fight TO WIN. This means not deliberately searching for an Alamo. Martyrs are ultimately useless in this kind of war because if we lose, no one will remember them anyway. Glory seekers and self-proclaimed prophets will only lead people to disaster.
Develop a tactical mindset because the future will require tactical minds. Maintain your principles no matter the threats ahead. Retain your humanity. But also, when the fight begins, fight with the intention of victory. Choose your ground wisely.
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Civilization is an interesting concept. Lowering the least common denominator in any aspect of society whether, affirmative action, easing drug laws, or even permitting massive financial liaisons between politicians and business crumble it from within. The main concept is equality for all. Without that it is doomed no matter how great it is. Finally government interference is the straw that breaks the camels back and the rest, as we say is plowshares into whatever.
"And in Oregon over the weekend, Ammon Bundy and friends lured hundreds of protesters under false pretenses using the Hammond family tragedy as a vehicle to then initiate a takeover of federal buildings that have no strategic or symbolic value, boxing themselves into a static position"...
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Years ago I had a friend invite me to a "wing dinger of a party". Lots of ladies etc... upon arrival it turned out to be a fucking AMWAY PARTY. Looks like AMWAY Bundy knows how to lose friends too.
But those ladies had cleaning products and knew how to use em.
Small people inthe US keep being pushed to brink by the banksters.
Like the bully in the school that keeps pushing the people around. Something will eventually give.
Changes over time are subtle but if you've been around a few decades you feel the walls closing in. The electorate is at fault for wanting the federal government to provide everything. There's already a place where you can get free food, shelter, medical and retirement . . . Jail.
Break up the country by eliminating the federal reserve and limit the federal government to a common currency and armed forces. Each state would be autonomous. Want to build your liberal utopia, move to Calfornia, want to be a far right conservative, move wherever. Point being, we would have options (freedom) not what we have now that leads to violence and civil war.
"Regular Americans" will never rebel. Right up until they are shoved into the gas chambers they will beleive that their captures are acting 'for their own safety'. Americans are far and away the most domesticated, brainwashed and easily lead people on the face of the earth. When will 'regular Americans rebel? NEVER EVER EVER.
Yer right.
Us regular Americans will just pot-shot you as you drive into town.
Ain't gonna be no rebellin round here.
There's just we'uns and you'uns. An we don't need or much like you'uns.
Pffft. Right, the people who sat on their asses while the central banks were created, income taxes levied, gold confiscated, dollar destroyed, mandared purchase of insurance, etc etc are going to suddenly grow a pair? ROFL!!! Hillary is going to cut your last remaining ball off with an executive order comanding you to hand over those guns, and you'll all trample over each other to get in line first.
As in all situations such as what is unfolding you will find that 50% or so will sit by and passively watch not wanting to get involved.
In this situation, you may find that the powers to be will have less than 10% and maybe as low as 5% of the population on their side mainly because of the vast inequities foisted on us, the plebs. This is what happened in the French and Russian Revolutions. They were bloody but at first they were extremely bloody for the powers to be, then when they got out of hand they turned bloody for everyone else.
Normally, the way events unfold is first from civil disobedience turning to violence between the various groups. Here, since the nobility is mainly comprised of corrupt cronies and politicos, you will find that over a period of time a large number of them will simply be assassinated.
It is happening right now with all the bankers involved in Cyprus where just about every week you read about another banker, full of life and no signs of depression committing yet another suicide (usually by "jumping" off from a high space or building). These are the actions of the Russian Mob whose money was stolen by the Cyprus banks.
Learn a lesson from this, prior planning prevents poor performance perhaps. Small groups and good planning with civil unrest all around will be the modus operandi.
These types of situations have happened before and will happen again as it is human nature to crave power and be greedy. There is nothing wrong with either desire it is just when the safety stops put in place no longer work is when things get out of hand and need re-balancing.
When two former financial morons who were President and Secretary of State become multi-millionaires after leaving office you know it is time to rise up and fix things. You known it is time to rise up and fix things when for a $50,000 campaign contribution any Congressman can be bought.
You know it is time to fix things when $4 Trillion is stolen by the banks from mortgage fraud and no one goes to jail.....wait until their commodity double down plays and their massive leveraged losses can no longer be hidden and see how violent things get when just about every bank is closed and no credit cards work.
You know it is time to fix things when black on black violence is blamed on white micro-aggression with words that have always oppressed the black race despite spending $15 trillion in welfare on them.
And if you want to blame someone we see it falling squarly at the steps of the Supreme Court. They are the ones that decided it was ok to tell any lie you want about any public figure by gutting state defamation laws. When that law was passed by the Supreme Court there were 8600 independent news organizations..... today there are 6, all major corporations. So much for truth, the First Amendment and the effective balance of power the truth has in our society.
Siggghhh...
Jesus. I've commented at several points in this thread and haven't said the right things... been too busy trying to counter the fantasyland half of you are living in of a doomed uprising against the armed might of the US armed forces. Everybody thinks he's fucking Rambo. But forget everything I've said to this point. Consider the following:
1) let's forget the odds for a second and pretend you can win. Read your history... revolutionary movements do not have a good track record of replacing the existing tyranny with something better. Often it's worse.
2) those of you hoping the us military will take your side are fucking crazy. Again, history. You're going to end up with some power mad general heading up a yes-man government and you will be looking back on the present situation as the good old days.
3) has it occurred to all of you firey eyed gunslingers that there is a better way? You could bring the whole goddamn thing down overnight by simple refusal to go to work. It wouldn't even take everybody; 20% of the working population would probably be enough.
Here's my big question: if there are so many freedom fighters ready to go apeshit here in the us than why aren't more people taking the obvious effective actions? Non participation (as in if you're truly a revolutionary why the FUCK are you contributing your labor to your enemies) and clandestine infrastructure destruction are far safer and more effective than open armed rebellion. But you guys are too busy picturing yourselves as action heroes to think in these terms.
It truly is astounding how compliant our civilization is, how beholden to authority and rules. It is important to realize human limitations, we are incredibly easily controlled.
How is it that a person can be raised on the Ten Commandments, be extremely religions, yet willingly join a military and willingly kill people that are only a threat to him because someone else told him and because he went into harms way. The disconnect between cause and effect is most profound in our society, and thus we are like children, and that is how we are desired to be.
The greatest challenge for a person is to see his reality as it truly is, not how he wishes it to be (for better or for worse). It is far harder to manipulate someone if they use reasoned judgement and not simply reactionary. Americans no longer want the truth, it is too scary, they want to be told a nice story, how everything is someone else's fault, never our own. Which allows us to continue to act irresponsibly, which is exactly what the powers that be desire.
Example: How is it that America has by far and away the most expensive military in the world, many times over, yet OUR borders are wide open, we are not even allowed to place military on our border because of a treaty with Mexico.
So whose security are we defending?
OK, let's dance human nature. A reset is coming, most agree and when it does there will be millions of displaced, hungry and angry people. Do you honestly believe the government will protect you?
The 2ND is there to also assure we are able to protect ourselves from this aspect of human response to a crises situation.
Reams of eveidence show an armed population is safer than the unarmed. Why do you even entertain the notion the 2ND was written solely for the population to dismantle the most corrupt government in the Western world. An all out revolution isn't necessary. Just enough to frighten the PTB into behaving. The rest can be accomplished through the Constitutional process.
Meanwhile, if you want to steal weapons from Americans, be awfully careful, They bite!
Yes, and all reasons to do it now and do it via sabotage, not shooting people.
We still have a system that delivers food, shelter and medical care, however FUBARed otherwise. Breaking that, or waiting for it to break, will change minds, but it isn't a reliable mechanism of changing minds in the right directions.
9/11 FF is the issue we can all agree on, it isn't abstract at all, it was outrageous terrorism for political power by a treasonous minority political and criminal cabal, the point at which they are most vulnerable, and the evidence is unassailable.
So we use that issue and make open investigation the immediate goal, shut down the airlines until they agree.
Pound on a pot for 20 minutes every night at 10 PM. Easy to do, not the kind of thing they are going to be able to stop with arrests, and what is necessary for the wild among us to shoot holes in airliners.
They can't run a modern civilization without air travel, the political system has to give in once that is going.
Inconvenient for people, hurts some people economically, but trivial compared to a shooting civil war, is simple to understand for everyone. Along with that, promises of support to political figures if they join the 9/11 Truth side, sign petitions. And bragging rights or forgiveness for everyone in MSM, etc. who has been silent on the issue.
Don't need generals, don't need leaders, don't need risks for anyone. Just a mass protest at 9PM every night and an interent.
What are we waiting for?
The faggots claiming from their armchairs that 'it cant be done' and Murrican military's gonna kick your ass should be the first in line for some Belfast fireworks.
(1) Numbers add up to nothing when compared to resolve and conviction. Yes, there are long odds
(2) You generally dont rely on borg soldiers to beat the borg.
(3) ~25% of the US population is already chillin' at home rather than working. When you've got the petrodollar, the will to conjure currency, and a big-ass military, it wont matter if the next 25% of the population walks off the job. In fact, that will feed the Beast.
In terms of operating a Resistance, that will come in time.
Seriously... we tell ourselves stories that feel meaningful, and then we go try to enact those stories. That's what we;re discussing here. Most of you are addvocating for teh most difficult and dangerous option... and the one most likely to fail. Why? Because it feels the most meaningful. Out in the open air, kicking ass... it sounds great on paper. Trouble is the failure odds are very high, and historically your odds of filling the power vaccuum with another tyranny are extremely high.
The other options are being ignored because it doesn't make as good a story. If you're such a revolutionary, why aren't you out there cutting fiber lines and loosening railroad tracks? Because ti doesn't sound as exciting as gunfights.
How tone-deaf are you to the growing anger around you?? Contravene the 4th with the Patriot Act? No worries, I'll just fart in the TSA guy's face and ask him to tickle my balls. Contravene my due process, and I'll rationalize that away with a 'it's just for the turrists'. See it happen @ Homan, rationalize it away as 'just the niggers, who deserved it anyway'. Come for my guns, and it's on like donkey kong, because the history of gun grabs shows it doesn't end well for the citizens in >50% of the cases. A redneck might not think to history and statistics, but he sure as shit know better than to touch another man's gun.
American pathology is extremely pervasive, well engineered and planned. The internet comes along (an unknown factor) thus you build a system like Facebook (a known tool of control). Facebook is owned by a zionist Jew and Wall Street, the exact folks who have constructed much of our current delusional feminized America. They have their media hype it, and now it serves them, as you can easily see if you work with America's youth.
The game is over, they have successfully divided the American people, they can control people with a word: racist, xenophobe, nazi, anti-semite, sexist, liberal, conservative, rapist, gun rights, NRA, abortionist, pro-lifer...TO BE SURE PC CONTROL RUN BOTH WAYS, a "conservative" is as easily biased as is a "liberal". That is to say, if you allow yourself to be put into a contrived box, you are just another rat in a cage.
If someone rises to challenge the status quo, they can easily shear off the support for that person with carefully placed word. Ross Perot, was branded a protectionist, a loony toon. Ron Paul was branded a racist, extremist, anti-Semite...and if you get past their media van guard, they will simply assassinate you, like they did JFK, and America will happily let them get away with it.
The reality is, once you let the parasite into your midst, the only way to defeat it is to be just as ruthless and evil as they, and that is simply not in America's nature.
OK analogy, 'parasite in your system', but the requirement of being 'as ruthless and evil as they' is wrong.
No, we merely need to temporarly break a part of the metabolism the parasite depends on more than us. The parasite of your analogy is different from us, so there is such a difference in requirements, and we only need ID it and break it long enough to weaken the parasite.
This parasites will flee to Israel as soon as we show them they are not going to win. 20 minutes of banging pans every night will do that, when wide-spread enough.
Question for all the ZHers who believe gun ownership is a fundamental right: a twice-convicted violent-crime felon lives near me. Should he be allowed to own and/or open carry a .357 magnum? Oh, one of his convictions is a sex offense, also. Does he have a fundamental right to keep and bear arms?
I see all those NO votes. So, you have just admitted that there are limits to who should have guns, limits to the 2nd Amendment. So then it just becomes a matter of OPINION as to what limits should apply...which is why healthy public discourse on these matters is ALWAYS a good thing.
I marvel at all of the inflexibilty of the gun people; most of them are the same ones who greeted the rape of privacy rights with alacrity: "well, if it keeps us safer..." There is no superior status anywhere granted to any of the Amendments, either they ALL are precious and inviolable, or they are all a joke.
I guess that is why I am laughing right now.
contrario, perhaps you could answer your question by not putting up a strawman..
the fuck who is a criminal should not be on the street in the first place..
your focus is agenda not the real problem.
I guess why I am laughing is because, in your mind you have come up with some clever gotcha, by comparing a twice convicted violent crime felons rights with mine.If you can't see and understand the difference, then, heathly discourse is impossible
It isn't a straw argument. It is a very legitimate one. The answer to it is that, yes, the twice convicted felon, after serving his sentence, has the same rights that anyone else does. You do not fix problems with sentencing for violent crimes by shitting on the Constitution. The douchebag who threw up the strawman is a typical weakminded moron who depth of thinking is that of bird piss on a hot sidewalk. Don't jump into his pool.
Can he vote? Can he move state to state without permission? When you are a convicted felon you forfeit your rights, they can be restored but to equate them with other law abiding citizens rights is simplistic and dishonest
the murderer or whatever he did can get a gun anyway. He does it thru illegal channels....
If you think they can't get guns... you are living in a fantasy world.
The regular public would get it thru the "official" channels and this is (going to be) being blocked by executive order.
So self defense will be impossible while criminals always have weapons....
That is what FEDs are "gunning" for. Not so positive.
You can discuss this to death but reality stays pritty much the same.
You should know as you attempt to cut off any "Discourse" with your closed in comments. I suspect you are another gifted paid shill who will drown in a sea of reprisals. You state all Amendments should be treated the same. Looks to me like you have singled out the 2ND without a thought to the other 26 it supports.
flawed logic is logic, but not usable in this world....
You made a fool of yourselve. If you are honest you know you did.
Any time you get below 20% of the overall populace on an issue it is technically considered a 'fringe' position. I have never even seen a poll that asks if there should be no fundamental restrictions including licensure requirements on the 2nd amendment because I imagine it is ultra-fringe even among gun-owners.
Even universal backgrounds enjoys very strong support among all groups including registered GOP voters and gun owners. When it varies a bit is how you define 'universal background' checks.
We need to decriminalize a bunch of crap. The sex offender, how old was the victim and did they consent? Forget warehousing these idiots for years. Bring back the ropes. They are economical and environmentally friendly.
Should a convicted felon be allowed to own a firearm? Yes, if he has petitioned and had his rights restored.
And I quote:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Just because you don't like him, doesn't mean you get to infringe his rights to posess a firearm.
If you ask me the best way to deal with situation I would say there are two types of crime. Violent and non violent.
Violent crime should be dealt with via capital punishment. Non violent crime should be dealt with via some form of finanaical incentive to curb destructive actions.
There is no need for jails. Kill the violent ones and tax the non violent ones until they pull their head out of their ass.
Of course, this method of justice violates the core tenent of the lib prog faggots. I.e. I can do whatever I want without consequences.
Kill those bastards too.
Okay...pray tell, where is the well-regulated (i.e., state-law-regulated) militia? Self-appointed, armed men are not militia. As you well know, we no longer have legitimate militia. Thus, half the amendment has been abandoned with nary a cry. Also...define "arms". Grenades? Rocket Launchers? It does not say guns, it says arms...what does that include? Or more importantly, what does that NOT include? People, please, pay attention: the 2nd Amdt is no more perfect and "non-debatable" than any of the other amendments.
There is no absolute right to any right. They all have limits, and that means it comes down to opinions, debates, discussions...in other words, REASONED SOLUTIONS. And, yes, that usually involves...yikes...compromise. I know that is a hard word for people who mix their politics, social views, and religion, but that is how things work in a genuine free society.
My right to wave my arms (body parts in this case) merrily in free expression is limited by the proximity of your nose.
My right to shout "fire!" is limited by whether there really is one, and whether i am in a theater...
My right to privacy...well, that one obviously is being breached daily and all I hear is "well, if it keeps us safer"...ummm, it does not.
My right to free exercise of religion is limited by whether I like to practice ritual killings or not.
All rights have limits, usually determined by offsetting and balancing of other rights exercised by other people. It's called balance, fairness, reasonableness. Yet, when it comes to the second half of a single sentence, that includes an ill-defined term (arms), some people act like that one, and only that one, is absolute, and superior to all others.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Sorry, that is wrong.
Yes to an absolutist interpretation of individual rights, and NO! to setting up classes of people via government discrimination.
Felon is a classification for someone who is in the system. When released, they may have a record for refrence (tho I think we are going to stop even that), but the gov should not be allowed to treat that person any different than anyone else.
To do otherwise is to choose proliferation of law as a solution. The substitution of rules for thought is the basis of our problems. Next time, let us not do that.
You are laughing at gallows humor. If you are young enough, you will come to regret your sick mirth.
CONIDIOTOLOGIST
Your nearby CON-neighbor already has a 357, or similar assault hammers/pipes. He likely has rational thoughts in his mind concerning devient acts to play out on you and yours ..... and your neighbors.
You are asking for "healthy" public discourse. You are insanely myopic on the critical basis of your post.
I guess that is why I am laughing right now.
THE MAIN ISSUE IS
the BLM has no right to the land in the first place.
When states are formed the land goes to the state and does not reamain with the Federal government.
Exceptins include military bases.
So the BLM is exceeding its authority and is acting beyond the Constitutional authority of the Federal Government.
Now put on top of that foreign interst in the resources on/under the land and you are getting at the real issue.
Plus the family was prosecuted unfairly by an obama prosecutor and obama judge.
The BLM has lit fires taht have damaged the land and the ranchers but bears no consequences while executing its plan to illegally get rid of ranchers ...
People have lost confidence in the government and this is just another manifesstation of that reality...
WE LIVE IN A TOTALLY CORRUPT BANANA REPUBLIC WITHOUT LAW OR JUSTICE
This. The Goddamn Fedcoats need to put boots on that ground so they can represent they own it to the globofascistas in China/Europe, b/c it, along with the military, are the 2 things this cadre values/respects. That land has collateral value in the eyes of foreigners. Agree, the rule of law in the US is kaput, largely due to the machinations of the globofascistas. Lock and load. Keep your pecker hard, and stay cool (for now).
Dr. Freckles' Rules of War ...
http://iamsully.com/?page_id=7484
Pitchfork anyone ?
A lot of words to say nothing of substance.
STUPIDITY REIGNS.
These morons are the same morons who are part of USA government, just on the opposite side.
Indecisive "to be or not to be" bullshit...
Honestly if I had read this 11 years ago after the 9/11 Commission Report went into print I would shut up and say this is all very timely and excellent advice but this isn't 2004 and the American people including the Bundy(s) missed that opportunity of a lifetime to fix their government then... Now here we are!
It truly is a "damned if you do"... "Damned if you don't" epic moment and crisis of our own making!
I realize this post will appear on the last page and probably be lucky to be read by one or two readers but here's what I have to say on this topic.
The problem with America is the education system. The federal government has gotten its tenticles into the education of our youth and liberals have seized upon this to endoctrinate the liberal view into our children.
This is especially perverse at the university level were students are at the ripe age to form their political views. Unless the education system is returned to local control and parent input to curriculum, America is going to continue to degrade into a failed socialist state.
Us conservatives will continue to age and die off and in the not too distant future become an unimportant minority.
Okay... It's the educational institutions that are at fault!
Now here we are!
Is a general internal war coming soon? I don’t see it happening…However, what I and many others do see happening is government instability happening from the next Central banking/debt/currency war/fiat crisis. The risk increases daily that some group is not going to get paid by government when the next big financial crisis boils over. Liberals see this crisis coming too and I believe it is the primary reason they want all firearms off the street now.
Government in the next crisis may be forced to short some group creating riots by the group that is maligned. Are you going to sit still if they do a bail in and take 50% of your bank account and 401K to pay down debt? Are seniors going to sit on their butts if government reduces Soc Sec and Medicare by half? Are EBT card holders going to sit still if welfare is reduced by 50%. These are the types of groups who may get nasty if government does not meet its obligation.
Note: There are other things that can happen like currency devaluation before government instability happens. I am just stating I believe the worst case will evenually happen here...
Every successful revolution in history, except for one, ushered in a worse regime than it replaced, the French and Russian being the poster children. The exception is the American Revolution.
One major reason why, if not the major reason, was that it wasn't some ad-hoc affair led on the streets by a bunch of big-mouthed nut jobs, and manipulated by a power-hungry elite from behind the scenes. Rather it had the backing of long-standing Colonial assemblies. The same assemblies that became states. Yet you fail to mention anything about the states, as if America's were a unitary government like those of the thumb-sucking Euro-trash.
Clearly, you haven't thought through anything like a likely scenario for a genuinely successful revolution. Especially when the bottom line is that any insurgency that arises outside of the context of representative democracy -- which is the only legitimate way to govern Americans -- ought to be and will be put down by force of arms.
It will be led by some of the Statehouses. I can tell you dont a have a clue what leadership does/does not exist within your statehouse. I know in SC that there is A LOT of leadership capability in our Statehouse, and that it IS, I repeat IS, planning to position us to live with freedom and justice for all. That's why anyone seeing the coming storm knows that when we 'GO', it needs to be with the backing of the Statehouse. In>20 states, that backing is on its way. They are organizing, OR they already are organized. Look to the state's militia as an indicator of readiness. Do they exist, are there good relationships between the state militia and the Statehouse? Is there a good relationship betweent he Governor and the militia? Is the militia capable? Also, look to the advancement of the Article V Convention of States process in your Statehouse. . . These are 2 good proxies for where your state stands. If you aren't happy with what you see, consider moving your family to 'higher ground'. I did.
Goddammit! This is going to suck for me as an atheist living in a super Christian area. At least many of them know it already and like me anyways. Well they seem to salivate at the prospect of a fresh mind to infect and control. I imagine their attempts to convert me will become more forceful as things deteriorate.
Contrarologist! One well- regulated militia coning up:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/sheriffs-police-chiefs-urge-pe...
I do not see anyone capable, fully informed, who has developed a general following. A successful Civil War is not possible. Way too late.?Only military leadership can intervene successfully if entering to support The People against Congress/President/banks/intelligence/corporate interests. The military is far from making an overt move, but Seymour Hersh has told us about efforts to help foreign nations to protect themselves against ISIS, et al.
America's "Time" of leadership has passed and will not return. The Hope of the World is with Russia/China/India (BRICS, et al).
The Chinese stock market is not the cause of recent trading reactions. Silly. There are many other causes, but primarily the "bail-in" by Italian banks and the Saudi threat against Iran. Portugal banks are next (indeed American banks, i.e., every country) are scheduled to bail in depositors to keep major banks afloat. Things, they will be a crashin'.
However, the NEW financial system, moves ahead. Argentina has been taken by the Enemy. But, the main thrust is in the favor of getting away from the U.S. Our money will be heavily devalued in international trade. When, depends on how fast (and how many) people are bailed in. That is the trigger for Civil War, which is not possible to wage, but also the final stage of introduction of the NEW international alternative financial system.
The present elite will be replaced when manufacturing returns to the Nation. It will, because we will not be able to afford to purchase foreign goods. After some time, we will rebuild our Gold/Silver supply and guarantee value of new volumes of money, creating it only when based on "real economy" value (that which Franklin pointed out supports Legal Tender as certainly as Gold/Silver) to be created.
I would remind all, and present circumstances should have long proven the ONLY reason to have a Value backed currency is to counter bank's historical criminal activities.
Central banks, completely controlled by the present financial Mafia, will be replaced by a National bank, a State bank in each, controlled by The People' Government. Corporations for other than public purposes will be outlawed. The American Dollar, supported by a new (or recovered) Gold/Silver ownership will return and American can go back to work, the Middle Class returning.
Wall Street will be shut down. LARGE enterprises will be financed directly by stock holders operating for a PUBLIC, not profit, purpose primarily or government owned. Only Public banking will exist within National and State levels (see N. Dakota) and private banking profits and transactions will be controlled completely by the National and State interest. Interstate banks, (created under Carter's administration, BTW) will be outlawed. And, etc., etc., etc.
This patronising prick has a very 'holier than thou' attitude.