"Trump Could Win It All": 20% Of Democrats Say They'd Vote For Trump Over Hillary

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At this point, it’s become abundantly clear that Donald Trump’s brazen rhetoric and unorthodox campaign strategy (which primarily involves simply saying whatever pops into his head with no filter whatsoever) isn’t a liability.

In fact, the bellicose billionaire’s style and penchant for controversy has catapulted the real estate mogul to the top of the polls leaving but one serious challenger (Ted Cruz) for the GOP nomination.

Recently, Trump has taken aim at Hillary Clinton, calling her “disgusting,” a “liar”, and insisting that she’s “married to an abuser.” His first television ad opens with a black and white image Obama and Clinton who are referred to only as “the politicians” (a nod to Trump’s contention that he’s trustworthy precisely because he comes from outside the Beltway, so to speak).

Still, few analysts believe Trump could best Clinton in the national election.

A new poll shows that may be a miscalculation.

According to a survey conducted by Washington-based Mercury Analytics, 20% of likely Democratic voters say they'd cross sides and vote for Trump. Here’s more from US News & World Report:

So if Donald Trump proved the political universe wrong and won the Republican presidential nomination, he would be creamed by Hillary Clinton, correct?

 

A new survey of likely voters might at least raise momentary dyspepsia for Democrats since it suggests why it wouldn't be a cakewalk.


The survey by Washington-based Mercury Analytics is a combination online questionnaire and "dial-test" of Trump's first big campaign ad among 916 self-proclaimed "likely voters" (this video shows the ad and the dial test results). It took place primarily Wednesday and Thursday and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percent.

 

Nearly 20 percent of likely Democratic voters say they'd cross sides and vote for Trump, while a small number, or 14 percent, of Republicans claim they'd vote for Clinton. When those groups were further broken down, a far higher percentage of the crossover Democrats contend they are "100 percent sure" of switching than the Republicans.

 

When the firmed showed respondents the Trump ad, and assessed their responses to each moment of it, it found "the primary messages of Trump's ad resonated more than Democratic elites would hope."

 

About 25 percent of Democrats "agree completely" that it raises some good point, with an additional 19 percent agreeing at least "somewhat."

 

Mercury CEO Ron Howard, a Democrat whose firm works for candidates in both parties and corporate clients, concedes, "We expected Trump's first campaign spot to strongly appeal to Republican Trump supporters, with little impact – or in fact negative impact – on Democratic or independent voters."

 

He continues, "The challenge to Hillary, if Trump is the nominee and pivots to the center in the general election as a problem-solving, independent-minded, successful 'get it done' businessman is that Democrats will no longer be able to count on his personality and outrageous sound bites to disqualify him in the voters' minds."

Right. And that's precisely what we've been saying for months. Put more simply: Trump is gaffe proof, which means it isn't about how many outlandish things he says, it's about whether he can craft a coherent narrative.

As the campaign drags on, his message is starting to sound more like an actual policy platform and less like an ad hoc series of soundbites.

And that's a very dangerous thing for the Democrats.

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Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:34 | 7025977 crossroaddemon
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There's something bigger going on here. If you really believe that a) Clinton was running a private email server and b) if she was that the NSA did not know about it. you're kidding yourslef. The whole thing stinks. There's an agenda here.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 15:48 | 7026277 Occams_Chainsaw
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You or I would already be in jail if we did what she has done.  Glenn Greenwald has a book called 'With libery and justice...for some.'.  Just started it but I suspect it will just point out what we already know.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 17:27 | 7026594 The Saint
Sun, 01/10/2016 - 13:53 | 7025809 Vlad the Inhaler
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Trump is great because he's not an insider and he's not PC.  But most of his "ideas" are just random dumb crap that he blurted out without even thinking about it.  Don't get too hopey-changey because we are never going to build a wall or ban Muslims or any of the other lame stuff that he is promising all the folks who hate brown people.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 13:57 | 7025823 Zoomorph
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Prove that Trump will never do those things.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:05 | 7025853 crossroaddemon
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because the president doesn't get to make choices. Even if he believes in that shit (and I doubt it; he's just telling people like you what you want to hear) if he tries anything that isn't approved by the oligarchy he'll just end up like Kennedy. Silly wabbit; hope is for three year olds.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:31 | 7025966 Zoomorph
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Wrong, the president makes choices. The president also has the greatest ability to communicate to the people, to expose corruption if it exists.

Your doubts are not proof of anything.

Trump ending up assassinated would be better than Hillary being elected, wouldn't it? That would probably trigger a revolution.

Hope is for all living creatures. If you didn't have any hope, you'd kill yourself.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:37 | 7025989 crossroaddemon
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the only hope I have is to keep myself and my kids from being swallowed whole. I see NO chance for human freedom in our lifetimes. But one thing is for very certain, if we find our way to freedom it ain't gonna be through voting. Voting legitimizes power. We need to shake off the rulers, not ask them to rule us. That's just asinine. 

And the president has the ability to communicate? My sweet ass. He doesn't say a goddamn thing pubically that he isn't told to say. 

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 15:05 | 7026123 Zoomorph
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You are cancer. Please go die alone in the bush somewhere where you want to be instead of spreading your pessimism and defeatism to others.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 15:15 | 7026145 crossroaddemon
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No, you are teh cancer. Anyone who wants a leader is a cancer.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 15:33 | 7026228 ...in the dista...
Sun, 01/10/2016 - 13:54 | 7025815 Scooby Dooby Doo
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Hehe. SCHLONG Hitlery, yeah! Scooby'd love to see the look on old Slick Willy cuckboy.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:00 | 7025836 bmr22
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Love it well said

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 13:54 | 7025812 BarkingCat
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My brain did a Freudian Slip when reading your post. 

I thought you said "every rejection cycle. ....".

 

Although considering this is politics maybe I should call it Fraudian Slip instead. 

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 13:35 | 7025676 DOGGONE
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For the people, will Trump tell this untouchable truth?
http://showrealhist.com/yTRIAL.html

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 13:33 | 7025685 chubbar
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Anyone who votes for Clinton is either an idiot or completely oblivious to what she is all about.

 

"Recently, Charles Krauthammer alluded that he had no doubt some of the

30k emails Hillary deleted from her private e-mail server very likely
had references to the Clinton Foundation, which would be illegal and a
conflict of interest.
.
The Clinton Foundation is "organized crime" at its finest

Here is a good, concise summary of how the Clinton Foundation works as
a tax free international money laundering scheme. It may eventually
prove to be the largest political criminal enterprise in U.S. history.
This is a textbook case on how you hide foreign money sent to you and
repackage it to be used for your own purposes. All tax free.

Here's how it  works:
.

1. You create a separate foreign "charity." In this case, the Clinton's
set it up in Canada.
.

2.  Foreign oligarchs and governments, then donate to this Canadian
charity. In this case, over 1,000 did -- contributing mega millions.
I'm sure they did this out of the goodness of their hearts, and
expected nothing in return. (Imagine Putin's buddies waking up one
morning and just deciding to send untold millions to a Canadian
charity).
.

3. The Canadian charity then bundles these separate donations and makes
a massive donation to the Clinton Foundation.

.
4. The Clinton Foundation and the cooperating Canadian charity
claim Canadian law prohibits the identification of individual donors.
.
5. The Clinton Foundation then "spends" some of this money for
legitimate good works programs. Unfortunately, experts believe this is
on the order of 10%. Much of the balance goes to enrich the Clinton's,
pay salaries to untold numbers of hangers on, and fund lavish travel,
etc.  Again, virtually all tax free, which means you and I
are subsidizing it.
.

6. The Clinton Foundation, with access to the world's best accountants,
somehow fails to report much of this on their tax filings. They
discover these "clerical errors" and
begin the process of re-filing 5 years of tax returns.

7. Net result -- foreign money goes into the Clinton's pockets tax free
and untraceable back to the original donor. This is the textbook
definition of money laundering.
.
Oh, by the way, the Canadian "charity" includes as a principal one
Frank Giustra. Google him. He is the guy who was central to the
formation of Uranium One, the Canadian company that somehow acquired
massive U.S. uranium interests and then sold them to an organization
controlled by Russia. This transaction required  U.S. State Department
approval, and guess who was Secretary of State when the approval was
granted.
.
As an aside, imagine how former Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell feels.
That poor schlep is in jail because he and his wife took $165,000 in
gifts and loans for doing minor favors for a guy promoting a vitamin
company. Not legal but not exactly putting U.S. security at risk.
.
Sarcasm aside, if you're still not persuaded this was a cleverly
structured way to get unidentified foreign money to the Clinton's, ask
yourself this:
.
Why did these foreign interests funnel money through a Canadian
charity? Why not donate directly to the Clinton Foundation?  Better
yet, why not donate money directly to the people, organizations and
countries in need?
.
This is the essence of money laundering and influence peddling.
.
Now you know why Hillary's destruction of 30,000 e-mails was a risk she
was willing to take.
.
Bill and Hillary are devious, unprincipled, dishonest and criminal, and
they are Slick! Warning: They could be back in the White House in
January 2017."
.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 13:38 | 7025712 crossroaddemon
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Anyone who votes at all is oblivious to what government is about.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:11 | 7025886 Miles Ahead
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There you go.  +100 if I could.  4 decades.  Never even registered once.  My hands are clean (and conscience).

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:34 | 7025979 Creepy Lurker
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Hillary makes Nixon look like an altar boy.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 16:31 | 7026390 Borrow Owl
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Hillary makes Ed Gein look like an altar boy.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:36 | 7025984 Zoomorph
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Congrats on letting morons and the free shit army control and out-maneuver you for 4 whole decades. You must feel a lot of pride in never lifting a finger as the world burns around you. ;-)

Those who won't fight for what they believe in lose it -- the history of modern America in a nutshell. Only the progressives still fight and they've neutered most of their opponents. 

You probably feel almost as much pride as a 40-year old virgin feels for making it that far!

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:38 | 7025995 crossroaddemon
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I am fighting for what i believe in... I believe that all government is evil. Period. I'm trying to get out from under it. You're asking it to keep right on coming over and fucking you in the ass.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 15:13 | 7026141 Zoomorph
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You believe governments are evil, but apparently you don't realize that they're a necessary evil. Unless you plan to live alone in the bush with zero social structure.

You're stubborn and refuse to work with governments in any way, and thereby you empower your enemies, who are eager to work with governments.

Keep up the good fight encouraging people not to vote so that we can all die complaining about how evil people run the world, after we gave them free run to do so.

Brilliant!

When I spend 5 minutes casting a ballot, nobody is fucking me in the ass. If I do not vote and Hillary is elected, I'm about to get fucked in every orifice I have.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 15:17 | 7026158 crossroaddemon
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Necessary? Do you have any idea how many stateless societies have existed, and in some pockets continue to exist? 

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 15:29 | 7026206 Zoomorph
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Are you talking about primitive tribes and cavemen? Even they usually had some sort of primitive "government", even if it wasn't called by that name.

You'd need a really tiny group of humans to live without any governing body or structure. Maybe you can find an uninhabited planet and go set up camp there all by yourself, if you consider this the ideal.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 15:39 | 7026247 crossroaddemon
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Actuall you're quite wrong about that... I was an anthropology double-major and most HG tribes have very little hierarchy at all. And yes, it takes a small group. To avoid top-down systems you need a politically autonomous group of less than 150. I know this seems an impossible goal and I quite frankly have no idea how we can attain this going forward from where we are at but if we want freedom it is what we MUST strive for. Big systems have always equalled tyranny and they always will. 

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 13:39 | 7025722 surf0766
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Why did Trum say she would make a great President and Bill was a great guy?

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 13:50 | 7025795 IndyPat
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Becuase he is a business man and as such at the mercy of political and regulatory bullshit that your pea brain could not even come close to understanding.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 13:54 | 7025814 Bangin7GramRocks
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Will Trump's First Lay-dy visit elementary schools and homeless shelters with that same vacant, just injected heroin in my toes look on her face? This citizen wants to know!

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:01 | 7025832 Skateboarder
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I heard that under a Trumpian prezzydentzy, skool lunch will be comprised of the 3Bs: beer nuts, beer, and blackjack. Additional items like food will cost extra. PB&J sammies are to remain illegal, of course.

*cop pointing gun at kid*:  "Hey kid - yeah you - slowly set that PB&J on the ground with one hand on the back of your head."

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 13:48 | 7025732 IndyPat
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Word around the campfire is that a grand jury has already been convened to hear all the fun details of Cankles email capers.
Word is that there was damn near a mutiny @ the FBI over it.

Have popcorn ready.

Wonder if the Dems can get uncle Joe and Indian Princess Warren up to speed in time to counter Trump?

"This is the essence of money laundering and influence peddling."

It's also the exact reason why RICO was needed.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:06 | 7025858 crossroaddemon
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Theater. Those emails didn't go public by accident; there is an agenda here. Just becasue you and i don't know what that is means nothing.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:22 | 7025930 IndyPat
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Oh, I know exactly what the agenda is and exactly where it all comes from.

This is all a gambit from Comacho. The gambit is that Americans can only stomach so much red meat. So they are serving up the Hag for dinner, in hopes they are satisfied and won't demand that his admin be raked over with a fine toothed comb under a new admin and a purged Justice Dept.

Now, that gambit is flawed in a million ways....starting from the apitite for seeing hard justice served up...to the side gambit that the Hag will go down without taking the rest down with her.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:39 | 7026001 Creepy Lurker
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"the side gambit that the Hag will go down without taking the rest down with her."

I think you're onto something there. I don't doubt she's already pissed off that she had to wait in the wings while bath house Barry did his thing. If she goes, I bet he goes with her.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:31 | 7025968 Kayman
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Cross Troll

I still believe in the one good man theory.  Someone will leak everything.  If not, the smell will get so bad that her supporters will need gas masks at the rent-a-rallies.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:38 | 7025996 Zoomorph
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Prove it. Just because you believe that everything is a conspiracy means nothing.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:34 | 7025914 JRobby
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This is a visible example of the powerful factions trying to get control. There are factions doing battle all the time.

Who is sitting on that Grand Jury and what influences will prevail during the proceedings is a high stakes game the workings of which may not be known about for years (depending on who gets plane crashed, heart attacked or boating accidented and that depends on when and if they lean on the "right" witnesses)

 

Politico, who broke the story, reports: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-email-fbi-probe-21...

Due to secrecy surrounding any FBI investigation, it is impossible to know exactly where the FBI stands. And since the issue involves the 2016 Democratic front-runner, the work is even more sensitive. Ron Hosko, former assistant director of the FBI's Criminal Investigation Division, said Justice is likely worried about issuing formal legal notices "because they know it will get out, and then you're talking about a grand jury investigation." But he said it's "not uncommon" for companies to require subpoenas, court orders or other legal notices to cooperate to save their corporate reputation, which could otherwise be jeopardized for sharing personal information.

"I am sure there is hand-wringing and gnashing of teeth across the street at the Hoover Building because you're going to have people saying 'I don't want to produce X documents. Give me a piece of paper that covers me.' And that's where push is going to come to shove," Hosko said.


Read more at http://freedomoutpost.com/2015/11/fbi-now-in-full-blown-investigation-of...

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:59 | 7026089 yellensNIRPles
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I really hope you are right about this. She needs to be shown for exactly who she really is.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 13:48 | 7025780 Hugh G. Rection
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Thank you Chubbar, that is spot on. May I have permission to cut and paste?

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 13:56 | 7025817 chubbar
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Sure, that's what I did. That's why I put it in quotes as it was from an article in a email that was sent to me.

I'm not necessarily throwing in with Trump. I love he has the GOP all shaken up though. But I know what crooks the Clintons are (as are the Bush's) so I post everything I can in the hopes that it opens some more eyes to her game.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:02 | 7025841 IndyPat
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Thanks for passing it on, just the same.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 13:59 | 7025834 JRobby
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"The Clinton Foundation, with access to the world's best accountants"

If advising your client to break the law because you will probably get away with it constitutes "the world's best accountants" .........

 

But clearly, that has been the case for some time. Andersen - GONE. NEXT!

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:37 | 7025993 Kayman
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JRobby

The big accounting firms run under the protection of "Too Big to Jail" as instituted by our Hope and Change leader.

You can lie, cheat, and issue fraudulent financial statements, but if you force us to prosecute you, then, dang it, you will be fined.  Jail ?? Why that's for the little people.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:12 | 7025890 JRobby
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former Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell is not "in the club"

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:21 | 7025920 Kayman
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chubbar

The question I want answered- is" how much did the Chinese pay Hiliary to run an unprotected server."

You might not find the pile of shit, but you will always find the smell.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:43 | 7026016 Creepy Lurker
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Bingo. Give Kayman a cigar. The Clintons have been in the pockets of the Chinese since the 90's.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 15:43 | 7026258 JRobby
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I mean! Why not have a spy as President!?!? Certainly 2 spies is even better!!!

 

Barber: Oh I wouldn't point no pistol at nobody sir.
English Bob: Well that's a wise policy, as wise policy. But if you did. I can assure you, if you did, that the sight of royalty would cause you to dismiss all thoughts of bloodshed and you would stand... how shall I put it? In awe. Now, a president... well I mean...
[chuckles]
English Bob: why not shoot a president.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 16:00 | 7026309 chubbar
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i've heard that question posited before and I don't put anything past those fucking traitors. Too many reports of Bill influencing state dept decisions relating to the sale of technology to China and then taking political donations from the US companies that made that technology to think that selling server access isn't a distinct possibility. Billy boy has made over 100million, what infomation/favors would warrant that kind of money? Unfricking real how corrupt they are.

Sun, 01/10/2016 - 14:37 | 7025990 ZenMoment
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What's the name of this Canadian charity?

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