"Trump Could Win It All": 20% Of Democrats Say They'd Vote For Trump Over Hillary
At this point, it’s become abundantly clear that Donald Trump’s brazen rhetoric and unorthodox campaign strategy (which primarily involves simply saying whatever pops into his head with no filter whatsoever) isn’t a liability.
In fact, the bellicose billionaire’s style and penchant for controversy has catapulted the real estate mogul to the top of the polls leaving but one serious challenger (Ted Cruz) for the GOP nomination.
Recently, Trump has taken aim at Hillary Clinton, calling her “disgusting,” a “liar”, and insisting that she’s “married to an abuser.” His first television ad opens with a black and white image Obama and Clinton who are referred to only as “the politicians” (a nod to Trump’s contention that he’s trustworthy precisely because he comes from outside the Beltway, so to speak).
Still, few analysts believe Trump could best Clinton in the national election.
A new poll shows that may be a miscalculation.
According to a survey conducted by Washington-based Mercury Analytics, 20% of likely Democratic voters say they'd cross sides and vote for Trump. Here’s more from US News & World Report:
So if Donald Trump proved the political universe wrong and won the Republican presidential nomination, he would be creamed by Hillary Clinton, correct?
A new survey of likely voters might at least raise momentary dyspepsia for Democrats since it suggests why it wouldn't be a cakewalk.
The survey by Washington-based Mercury Analytics is a combination online questionnaire and "dial-test" of Trump's first big campaign ad among 916 self-proclaimed "likely voters" (this video shows the ad and the dial test results). It took place primarily Wednesday and Thursday and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percent.
Nearly 20 percent of likely Democratic voters say they'd cross sides and vote for Trump, while a small number, or 14 percent, of Republicans claim they'd vote for Clinton. When those groups were further broken down, a far higher percentage of the crossover Democrats contend they are "100 percent sure" of switching than the Republicans.
When the firmed showed respondents the Trump ad, and assessed their responses to each moment of it, it found "the primary messages of Trump's ad resonated more than Democratic elites would hope."
About 25 percent of Democrats "agree completely" that it raises some good point, with an additional 19 percent agreeing at least "somewhat."
Mercury CEO Ron Howard, a Democrat whose firm works for candidates in both parties and corporate clients, concedes, "We expected Trump's first campaign spot to strongly appeal to Republican Trump supporters, with little impact – or in fact negative impact – on Democratic or independent voters."
He continues, "The challenge to Hillary, if Trump is the nominee and pivots to the center in the general election as a problem-solving, independent-minded, successful 'get it done' businessman is that Democrats will no longer be able to count on his personality and outrageous sound bites to disqualify him in the voters' minds."
Right. And that's precisely what we've been saying for months. Put more simply: Trump is gaffe proof, which means it isn't about how many outlandish things he says, it's about whether he can craft a coherent narrative.
As the campaign drags on, his message is starting to sound more like an actual policy platform and less like an ad hoc series of soundbites.
And that's a very dangerous thing for the Democrats.
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A Canadian charity founded by mining billionaire Frank Giustra released a legal opinion Wednesday affirming that its donors have a right to remain anonymous and public disclosure of their information requires their consent.
The charity, the Clinton Giustra Enterprise Partnership, has come under scrutiny because of its intimate connection to the New York-based Clinton Foundation, a charitable body established by former U.S. president Bill Clinton in 2001. In 2008, when Hillary Clinton became secretary of state, the foundation promised to release annually a list of all its contributors.
But in the usual Clinton fashion, they say they are going to disclose their donor list, then they hope/expect things to die down and renege.
A lot of Bernie Sanders supporters would choose Trump over Clinton.
All progressives stick together
I don't know if any Bernie supporters finished high school.
It's not ISIS' oil, it's Iraq or Syria's oil.. I don't get where he is coming from here
Yeah right, seems to be Turkey's oil, so Erdogan can get a good greasing before judgement day with Putin...
Perception is 9/10th of the law.
Either way we'll have the choice of oligarchs to rule us. Out with the old boss, in with the new boss.
I can't wait for the debate between The Don and Shrillary. He will expose her for the lying fraud that she is.
Only if it's in the script
"Only if it's in the script"
The Donald has a script ? -now that is funny.
But one thing is certain- the Donald will knock Hiliary off her script in any debate.
And, think about it, what better way to prevent being prosecuted, than to run for President. The Clintons- they might be slimy, but they are devious.
Fuck the analysts. At this point Trump looks like a funner circus, and that is what the Sheeple vote for now isn't it. This whole thing will be totally unraveled in 25 years or less. I weep for our children and grand children.
25 yrs? +1 for optimism, considering the debt has doubled under Hussein.
No shit. Don't see that kind of rose colored optimism these days.
Maybe I can muster some myself? Here goes. It looks like we will have cheap gold prices right up to the very last second before the big crash.
The downside is, it may be the only thing we can afford at current vector.
I get it. And, I did say 25 years or less for a total unraveling. I fully expect some seriously ugly down turns with lots of big bubbles along the way. The printing press, an entrenched oligarchical establishment, and the strongest blu-water navy are why it will take so long IMHO.
I think all the other billionaires that hold government debt in their portfolios are mightily concerned about the Donald's knowledge of the bankruptcy laws.
What better way to crash the USD and get jobs back.
should I or shouldn't I sarc this.
Who the fuck wants a job? Don't be a slave.
"Slavery is an element of the human condition."
(Think about how you need food and water and protection from wild animals and stuff to survive....)
Just to remind everyone, Trump signed into the Israeli-Neocon camp with his "1000s of Dancing Muslims" statements. The reality was dancing Mossad agents celebrating their False Flag operation against America, which killed 3K people.
They danced and flicked lighters and hi-5ed and photographed each other with the falling towers in the background as our citizens died, all Jews were told not to go to work that day.
Any candidate who does not make 9/11 FF the central part of their campaign is ignoring the fundamental issue in America.
ISraeli-Neocons are the existential threat to America. AIPAC owns Congress.
If Trump has to sign into one camp or the other (Jews vs. Muslims), I'd prefer the Jews. However, Trump has said some things that the Jews won't like, either. Hopefully he's his own man and not owned by either of them.
Good luck getting any candidate elected for making 9/11 conspiracy a major part of their campaign. I think that's a pipe dream and something that's not even too important (those questions can be resolved later, they aren't impeding all other progress).
Strictly as a point of information, employees of Cantor Fitzgerald killed on 9/11 included quite a few Jews. Makes sense, hard to hit a NYC Finance outfit and not hit some Jews.
Alone that you feel obliged to point that factoid out, makes me wonder if you have your head screwed on straight.
Shrump has gone on record as saying Edward Snowden should be hanged and that he is BFF with Satanyahoo...yeah, he's really on our side
Demdere
While I concur with some of what you are saying, "all Jews were told not to go to work that day." is pure fabrication.
But the excess influence, out of proportion to their numbers, is also something that could come back to haunt.
I bet a lot of Republicans would vote for Bernie Sanders over Jeb Bush, too (better to expedite the collapse than to vote in a major oligarch).
They would probably just sit home like in 2012
Only idiots do that, but you're right that many would. Unfortunately. And then we'd get another Bush -- yay?
What makes you so sure votes are counted correctly?
I doubt if they're counted at all.
I doubt if radiation is really toxic. That doesn't mean I'll call people who avoid eating Strontium stupid or that I'll eagerly go consume some myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4aKOhbbK9E
The burden of proof is on you to prove that they aren't. They appear to be. I don't believe one way or the other, I simply take 5 minutes out of my day to vote in case they are.
What's the worst that can happen if you vote and they aren't counted? You wasted 5 minutes (that you probably would've spent watching TV or something instead).
What's the worst that can happen if you don't vote and they are counted? You get 4 years with Hillary instead of Trump.
Day after day we're fed seasonally adjusted statistics coming from gov that are absurd so why elections would be any different is beyond me. You go right ahead.
It would be interesting if voters got a receipt that could be verified independently but that will never happen because the whole thing is a sham.
They can only flip and steel votes in close selections.
They can't do it in a runaway....and this one looks like it's shaping up for a runaway. Even if it's for pure spite.
2008 was going to be a runaway for the democrats, so that problem was solved by the dumbocrats running a CIA vetted version of W. The election had zero effect on policy.
Correction: things got worse.
Seasonally adjusted statistics are much different than election fraud.
Again, your feelings or hunches do not constitute proof that elections are rigged. If you can prove it, then it would make sense for us all to stop voting. If you cannot prove it, then it makes the most sense for us to continue voting, since it takes so little time and effort on our part.
I've seen all the proof I need to determine that the govt. is out of control and the political class does not represent constituents. YOu can call them hunches, feelings, whatevr you want I don't care. In the past I've volunteered a lot of time and effort, donated, etc. but not anymore thanks.
If you want to protect yourself from being hurt in the future, it's good for you to stay out and not allow yourself to form any attachments.
But you should not encourage other, healthier people to do the same. Luckily we aren't all as fragile and broken as you have become, and you should place hope in us succeeding where you failed. It's extremely selfish for you to try to spread your pessimism to us.
You know what buddy? Maybe people have brains of their own and will decide for themselves whether they should vote or not. What the fuck makes you think you're going to convince me or anybody else or vice-versa. You started by calling people that don't vote "idiots".
Then you suggested I'm too busy watching TV to vote. Now you say I need protection, I'm unhealthy, fragile, broken, selfish, and pessimistic.
Well fuck you. I think voters are idiots frankly. At some point in time, if it ever comes to civil war II, the battle lines will be drawn between those who believe this govt is worth saving and those who don't.
So take your high-minded civics lesson and shove it right up your ass.
There will be no civil war if the elites are successful. That's their goal: to transform society slowly enough that there is no civil war, only a handful of patriots who get mowed down by the SWAT team or drone army with the rest of society cheering about it. Enjoy living out in the bush waiting for that fateful day that you get to take your last stand, if you don't die of old age first.
If only you had voted strategically in an attempt to accelerate the chaos and throw off the elites plan and trigger that civil war before all the patriots died off or lost the war of attrition....
OK, OK enough with this logic and reason crap, Zoo. You've been leaving logical, reasoned droppings all over this thread. I want to believe what I want to believe and don't need your silly "logic" and "reason" to tell me different. Geeez, I'm already confused enough.
Zoomorph
The "not-gonna-vote" meme runs wild (often on ZH) so that the political elite, under all manner of banners- left, right, liberal, conservative, can keep pigging out of the trough.
There is no downside to voting, so you are correct, some should get off their lazy asses and vote.
There is a downside... why do you think countries with low participation tend to enact voting laws? because voting gives the illusion of participation. They can point to the number of votes and say oh look, people are still engaged in the process. You the people CHOSE this so now suck it up.
If nobody votes, yes they still control us but they can no lnger pretend it isn't at gunpoint.
"Not voting" is a terrible way to express your dissatisfaction with how the country is run. It's highly ambiguous and does not send a clear message. It sends the message that either you're happy with how things are running, or that you're not happy, or that you don't care either way, or that you're oblivious, or that you're lazy.
Only 25% of people chose Obama. How is your theory working out for you? Does anyone care? Didn't think so.
Soon (if Hillary is elected) 25% of the country will be Mexican ex-illegals and Syrian refugees. She'll just get them to vote and it won't matter how many sour white people ruin their ballots. Eliminating yourself from the picture does only that.
The votes were counted in 2000, but the court ignored it and gave the election to Bush anyway.
Exactly my point. Who can believe they still have a voice after that? Only people REALLY desperate to believe...
no one is voting for jeb fucking bush . . . . . ... .. .. .... .. . . .. ... . .. . .. period
Trump, Hillary, Cruz, Sanders, Hitler, Bush, Stalin...all the same. Who can even believe any of this matters any more?
"Trump, Hillary, Cruz, Sanders, Hitler, Bush, Stalin...all the same."
"Muslims, Christians, Athiests, Jews... all the same."
"Lions, sheep, aligators, squirrels... all the same."
"War, peace, love, hate... all the same."
Oh, the retarded statements that pass as wisdom or "contrarian" noadays....
As much as I loath politics and politicians, if it does come dowm to Trump vs. The Bitch, a person would truely have to be a full blown brain dead moron to vote for that foul ass lowlife Clinton.
No matter what Trump is or is not, no matter what he does or does not do. He could not come close to being as evil as the Cackling Cunt!
H.Clinton should be in prison at the very least. Hung by a rope until dead prefered.
Not to mention that her face is like looking directly into Satans asshole and her voice is worse than a thousand nails on a chalk board, she is just plain vile & nasty!