"Trump Could Win It All": 20% Of Democrats Say They'd Vote For Trump Over Hillary
At this point, it’s become abundantly clear that Donald Trump’s brazen rhetoric and unorthodox campaign strategy (which primarily involves simply saying whatever pops into his head with no filter whatsoever) isn’t a liability.
In fact, the bellicose billionaire’s style and penchant for controversy has catapulted the real estate mogul to the top of the polls leaving but one serious challenger (Ted Cruz) for the GOP nomination.
Recently, Trump has taken aim at Hillary Clinton, calling her “disgusting,” a “liar”, and insisting that she’s “married to an abuser.” His first television ad opens with a black and white image Obama and Clinton who are referred to only as “the politicians” (a nod to Trump’s contention that he’s trustworthy precisely because he comes from outside the Beltway, so to speak).
Still, few analysts believe Trump could best Clinton in the national election.
A new poll shows that may be a miscalculation.
According to a survey conducted by Washington-based Mercury Analytics, 20% of likely Democratic voters say they'd cross sides and vote for Trump. Here’s more from US News & World Report:
So if Donald Trump proved the political universe wrong and won the Republican presidential nomination, he would be creamed by Hillary Clinton, correct?
A new survey of likely voters might at least raise momentary dyspepsia for Democrats since it suggests why it wouldn't be a cakewalk.
The survey by Washington-based Mercury Analytics is a combination online questionnaire and "dial-test" of Trump's first big campaign ad among 916 self-proclaimed "likely voters" (this video shows the ad and the dial test results). It took place primarily Wednesday and Thursday and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percent.
Nearly 20 percent of likely Democratic voters say they'd cross sides and vote for Trump, while a small number, or 14 percent, of Republicans claim they'd vote for Clinton. When those groups were further broken down, a far higher percentage of the crossover Democrats contend they are "100 percent sure" of switching than the Republicans.
When the firmed showed respondents the Trump ad, and assessed their responses to each moment of it, it found "the primary messages of Trump's ad resonated more than Democratic elites would hope."
About 25 percent of Democrats "agree completely" that it raises some good point, with an additional 19 percent agreeing at least "somewhat."
Mercury CEO Ron Howard, a Democrat whose firm works for candidates in both parties and corporate clients, concedes, "We expected Trump's first campaign spot to strongly appeal to Republican Trump supporters, with little impact – or in fact negative impact – on Democratic or independent voters."
He continues, "The challenge to Hillary, if Trump is the nominee and pivots to the center in the general election as a problem-solving, independent-minded, successful 'get it done' businessman is that Democrats will no longer be able to count on his personality and outrageous sound bites to disqualify him in the voters' minds."
Right. And that's precisely what we've been saying for months. Put more simply: Trump is gaffe proof, which means it isn't about how many outlandish things he says, it's about whether he can craft a coherent narrative.
As the campaign drags on, his message is starting to sound more like an actual policy platform and less like an ad hoc series of soundbites.
And that's a very dangerous thing for the Democrats.
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Stop sugar coating everything and tell us what you really think of her!
Hillary isn't a bitch. She's a cunt. And yes, this is coming from a (straight) woman who's actually met said cunt in person and survived to tell the tale.
Yes Sir it's not often that a female is blessed with a Face like the back of a Bus and an Ass like a Barn door . . . or is it the other way around?
Poisoned Evil Crooked Dwarf that Hildebeast is.
I'll vote for Trump if he just shoots the cunt in the face during the debate.
My asshole is better looking...
So those 20% are stupid people who think the votes actually get counted.
"Guns don't really hurt or kill, that's a conspiracy! Come on, shoot me! Everyone who is running away is just stupid!"
Prove it or shut up, "genius".
Prove me wrong. Show me one instance where an elected official has changed the direction of this ship one iota in the past century? It's all rigged at this point. I think up till 2000 they were going for choosing the candidate via public perception management, but when it failed and their chosen one didn't make it they installed him anyway through judicial fiat. After that how can anybody think they get a say? Seriously, do you think it's different this time? My guess is that's the last time they took that chance and it is now just plain rigged.
Well, there was this guy JFK.....but, umm......
Exactly. If a president even tries going off the script, he probably just get shown pics of JFK.
And then he'll tell the American people, get assassinated, and it will trigger the revolution / civil war. Sounds great to me.
Unless you allow the free shit army to elect a president who is compliant with the script, because you're sitting on the sidelines having a little girly mood and refusing to participate. ;-)
The burden of proof is always on the person making the positive claim (eg. "votes are not counted"). I can't prove that you're wrong or that unicorns don't exist, but if you want to make such claims and have others believe you then you must provide proof of them, otherwise you're just expressing wild fantasies that you've dreamed up.
Do I think it's different this time? Of course. I think it's always different. The world is continually changing and nothing is ever the same.
"The burden of proof is always on the person making the positive claim (eg. 'votes are not counted')."
http://blackboxvoting.org/black-box-voting-book/
Where have you been all these years? Living in a cave?
"...otherwise you're just expressing wild fantasies that you've dreamed up."
Whether your opinions are a product of "wild fantasies that you've dreamed up" or simply gross ignorance is of little practical importance.
Perhaps you weren't alive or paying attention in Reagan's time.
The establishment hated him as much as Trump and tried to stop his election. The world was terrified of nuclear war and nuclear annihilation and the establishment and MSM thought the Soviet Union would triumph and so the US should just accept it and accommodate itself to being subordinate to the Soviet Union. That was the Jimmy Carter policy.
Reagan turned that around, rearmed, drove the Soviet Union to destruction (which ended under Bush 1) and MAD and nuclear destruction was suddenly no longer a common fear.
If you don't believe that was a change to the "direction of this ship" and an enormous one, you really are clueless.
Comedy world had a blast with him, 8 years of easy money.
Satire, history shows, was NEVER wrong.
"Reagan turned that around."
The size and scope of government exploded under Reagan. So did the public debt. True to his Hollywood roots, Reagan was all hat and no cattle.
"...drove the Soviet Union to destruction (which ended under Bush 1)"
Nope. Total nonsense. Communism and its internal, structural contradictions did that. The blowhard Reagan actually prolonged the inevitable by emboldening their hardliners. The Soviet Union's scientists knew that "Star Wars" was a joke. Soviet leaders also knew that their levels of defense spending were unsustainable, irrespective of anything Reagan did... which is why their spending in comparative (1998 constant) dollars peaked in 1982 and plateaued between 1981 and 1988.
Unlike the other evil empire, the USSA federal gooberment is still borrowing and spending on "defense" (wars of aggression) and a massive welfare state like there is no tomorrow, and will eventually meet a similar fate.
"...MAD and nuclear destruction was suddenly no longer a common fear."
Those nukes didn't go anywhere. This is simply myth making on the part of idiotic Reagan worshippers.
Cross Troll
"Show me one instance where an elected official has changed the direction of this ship one iota in the past century?"
Bill Clinton signed the papers that let China into the WTO. This helped Walmart bring in unlimited Chinese crap and was the tidal wave that killed and continues to kill manufacturing jobs here in the USA.
Bill Clinton signed the papers that killed Glass-Steagall creating an nation of filthy-rich eaters and poor eaters, killing off the working class private sector and value producers in this nation.
Yeah, you're right- who you vote for doesn't matter at all.
Bill clinton was following his handler's orders. Same as Reagan, same as Bush, same as obama. What you're describing there is NOT a change of direction; it was a continuation of the globalization demanded by the oligarchy. Any other pres would have done the same.
Analysts, pollsters & pundits have been dead wrong for years.
Fortunately, their corporate MSM network platform is disintegrating, and fewer innocent people are exposed to their lamestream stupidity.
When the sunday morning network pundits finally choke on Trump, will anyone notice? Who is watching their propaganda?
When the NYT & WSJ burn themselves to the ground (behind their failing, idiotic paywall), will anyone douse the flames? Who is reading their tripe?
At some point soon, "the establishment" will cease to be establishment... because the majority of citizens will have simply moved on to more fertile & relevant pastures.
When I see a newpaper or network program, I see a 21st century ghost town... only the lights are on because the absentee landlords don't realize their properties have been abandoned.
Hound
Nail on the head.
K
All trump has to do is show that colledge loans can't be discharged in bankruptcy as a gift to the banks from the Clinton's . Game over
If he could call her a goddamn treasonous cunt on TV in a debate, that alone would be worth it
Ted Cruz Seriously? The AIPAC/Goldman Veteran.
Gimme a Break!
I'm sorry but Trump is relentless. That Instagram video of Clinton was priceless.
Wait for the Epstein stories. Now that's gonna be fun. Remember Trump knows Clinton and knew Epstein personally. Anyone remember 'Lolita Express' and 'Orgy Island'? No way Hillary and Bill expose themselves to this. She'll drop out.
The question that is going to come up for Dems is, if Hillary is so fucking good, why did you vote for Obama 8 years ago instead of Hillary? Because 8 years later, her resume isn't that much different and she is 8 years older.
as soon as Trump gets a thumbs up from some media pundit the roaches come out of the woodwork and talk down Trump. I've gotten to the point were I just want to bitch slap one of the winers---for that feel good feeling---
"We will make America great again." -- Donald Trump
Politicians love to recycle the usual campaign taglines.
It's not that I don't agree with some of what Trump says. It's that, like any politician, he won't keep any promises after being elected...or selected.
Obama made a lot of promises when running for president. He kept none of them.
Our current form of government simply doesn't work. It can't be fixed. It has to be replaced with something akin to a jury duty-style government in which every citizen participates on a rotating basis. Anything less is a lie.
"Nothing will change" -- half of ZH users (as the world changes at a faster rate than ever before all around them!).
Got lied to by too many politicians? "No politican can ever tell the truth!"
Got dumped by too many girls? "No girl will ever love me!"
Typical sorry, jaded, pessimistic, defeated cynics recycling the usual BS statements about how we ought all go wither in a corner and die because life is utterly hopeless.
You’re actually distorting my words immeasurably. I’m not advocating retreating into a corner and declaring life to be hopeless.
Instead, I’m advocating creating a new form of government instead of continuing to vote for psychopaths in suits.
You also falsely attribute the following quote to me: “Nothing will ever change.”
Scroll up a few inches to see that I never made that statement. So, spare me the lies.
I’m actually being hopeful instead of cynical by suggesting a real change: a new form of government. After all, doing the same thing over and over again ? voting and then going back to watching football ? is the very definition of insanity. The only way to get something different, something constructive, is to change the structure of the government.
We, as Americans, must be willing to participate in our government instead of simply entrusting it to career politicians.
Incredible change is indeed possible if we’re willing to take a more active role in government.
Your statement that "[Trump] won't keep any promises" was very pessimistic and cynical. I'm glad that you're optimistic about something, though.
"Nothing will ever change" was just a general summary of what I was seeing in this thread. Your claim that politicians will never stop lying fits in with it, for example.
Zero Hedge, spend about ten seconds online, so that you're not guided by base emotions such as the many readers of this site who have been short the market since March 2009. Tyler, you're a smart guy, and this is my favorite website, but you could do better than this. Mercury Analytics was hired by Trump to gauge feedback on the resonance of his first campaign ad. They are working for Trump. Trump. In fact the CEO of Mercury Analytics, Ron Howard, is an admitted long time friend of Trump.
Next....
And the MSM is over-the-top-ass-kissing for Hillary, so? They annoited her president-in-waiting not us.
It's fucking Hillary...the smartest woman in the world with a Russian Reset Button, the Queen of Benghazi, the Stand-By-Your-Man cookie baker, the sic the IRS on Paula Jones, health care reforming, Scooby Van driving, Clinton Foundation foreign donation scavenging, ex-New York senator from Chicago White Sox fan, who's major claim to having any business acumen whatsoever is using the state's regulatory apparatus to crush all competition in the way of her cronies and having someone give her a tip on cattle futures, who enjoys long walks in the park at night with Vince Foster before going home to Huma when not "misplacing" Rose Law Firm billing records to be found laying on the table in the WH library after years of searching...Clinton.
They grabbed her, licked her ass and by God I intend to shove her down their throats and enjoy watching them choke on her.
nmewn
I wonder if she makes Bill wear a condom. And I still wonder how much they got from the Chinese for access to her server.
uh-oh. exhbiting some semblance of intelligence will not fly around here. get ready for downvotes to oblivion.
if anything this proves this country is fucked way beyond repair.
You ain't tough... you an asshole. STFU/ I'll beat your ass like you stole something. Now fuck off you self delusional dooshbag.
When Trump wins the GOP, he will be "appointed" President and be running the country by the summer.
Hilary is going to jail in a few months and Sanders looks ready for a triple bi-pass. There's a few other "who the fuck" Dems running, but they will remain irrelevant.
It will be fun to watch Bullshit-barry get sand kicked in his face on a daily basis in the coming months.
Trump is an asshole, but he's the best alternative out there. Banning immigration on all muslims - LMFAO!!! Nice one!!!
orangegeek
Betcha a nickle that Barry does a Tony Blair (the closet Catholic) and embraces Shia Islam on his exit.
The American Peons don't get the nuance of her campaign strategy. It's HER turn and she has a VAGINA. Anything else is irrelevant.
hilary has a dick and so does its son
I'd vote for ANY Politician who signs a proforma Doc stating if elected, the first day in office they would Audit the Fed.
Everything Else is NOISE!
Not enough. the fed is just a symptom of a larger disease.
Sure crd but it's more than you'll get from the next President; barring revolution.
Would you really vote for Hillary if she promised to audit the fed? LOL. Auditing the fed is actually noise as well. Do you really think it would happen honestly and openly? Isn't the person in charge (their character, values, skills) much more important than the actions they promise?
If one candidate is a lying cunt who wants to destroy your livelihood and the other is an honest newcomer who wants to make the country great again, do you really think that's NOISE if neither promises in advance to "audit the fed"? That's absurd.
You know it's Over, when Germany, UK and Scandinavia and their women would rather be SCHLONGED by the Muslims, than by Trump.
Good luck, Western Europe. You're Muslim toast. Eastern Europe and Middle America will weep or dance on your graves.
p.s. How are people like Merkel living up to their Oath and their 1st Responsibility -- National Security -- when they are willfully attacking said Security with uncontrolled borders? Germans, it's time to turn that "Ossie bitch" into a Mussolini Pinata.
We either shake America to it's very core, and I mean the elites, or we are finished. 8 years of another Clinton/Obama/Bush and it is over for the 99%.
I won't argue Trump's negatives or positives. I don't vote for party politics. But, Trump is just far enough off the wall to scare all hell out of the complacent bankers and war mongers. They are looting this nation blind, and it only gets worse.
No matter how much harm Trump might do, can it be any worse than the "death ride" American elite fat pork eating corporate whores are taking us on?
He's not scaring them. He's working for them, or at least with him. Otherwise he wouldn't get the coverage.
Cross Troll
I think Trump is genuine and a little rough around the edges. But unlike nearly ever other President Trump has had to make the payroll. He has had a life time of experience having to earn a dollar before it was spent. And yes, he ought to make a whole lot of free riders nervous.
Trump is a Alpha Man...not a wuss. All his life he's played the Elites! This Country is in need of a person who can run cirlcles around the RINO's, Looney Democrats and The LameStream Media who is controlled by the Establishment. They are pissing their pants!
Beam me up!
Again, trump has been bought and paid for long ago by jews.
http://youtu.be/G59mNNfLZx8
he talks the talk-but i worry-if he were of ANY real danger to the Ruling Class, he would be pusing up daisies