All Hell Breaks Loose After Trump Says Women Should Be "Punished" For Illegal Abortions

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Just yesterday, we discussed Donald Trump’s “women problems.”

Although one might fairly question the methodology behind the polls and whether the questions were designed to elicit a certain type of response, it is worth noting that in three separate surveys (NBC, WSJ, and CNN), Trump’s favorability rating with female voters was 27% or less.

Even if one assumes that the polls were inherently biased, there’s probably some truth to the contention that the things Trump has said about women in the past haven’t done anything to help him when it comes to garnering a large percentage of the female vote and may indeed come back to haunt him in a national contest with Hillary Clinton.

Well on Wednesday, in an MSNBC town hall event, Trump was cornered by host Chris Matthews who asked the GOP frontrunner about his position on illegal abortion.

Below, you can find the highlights as compiled by Bloomberg.

  • Host Chris Matthews presses Trump on anti-abortion position, repeatedly asking him, “Should abortion be punished? This is not something you can dodge”
    • “Look, people in certain parts of the Republican Party, conservative Republicans, would say, ‘Yes, it should,’” Trump answers
    • “How about you?” Matthews asks
    • “I would say it’s a very serious problem and it’s a problem we have to decide on. Are you going to send them to jail?” Trump says
    • “I’m asking you,” Matthews says
    • “I am pro-life,” Trump says
    • “How do you actually ban abortion?” Matthews asks
    • “Well, you go back to a position like they had where they would perhaps go to illegal places but we have to ban it,” Trump says
  • Matthews then presses Trump on if he believes there should be punishment for abortion if it were illegal
    • “There has to be some form of punishment,” Trump says
    • “For the woman?” Matthews says; “Yeah,” Trump says, nodding
    • Trump says punishment would “have to be determined”
    • “They’ve set the law and frankly the judges, you’re going to have a very big election coming up for that reason because you have judges where it’s a real tipping point and with the loss of Scalia, who was a very strong conservative, this presidential election is going to be very important,” Trump says
    • “When you say what’s the law, nobody knows what the law is going to be. It depends on who gets elected,” Trump says

Obviously, this was "gotcha" journalism on Matthews' part (once he established that he was referring to illegal abortions he knew he could pin Trump between having to either say women should be punished or that women could break the law with impunity), and as we saw last year with the whole Kurds/Quds Hugh Hewitt debacle, Trump is susceptible to badgering. The other problem here is that it isn't clear that Trump truly believes some of the things he's forced to say as a Republican candidate, which leads to exchanges like that recounted above. "Don't overthink it: Trump doesn't understand the pro-life position because he's not pro-life," a Cruz aid tweeted. Here's Politico with a bit of context:

Trump’s policy idea is a departure from most state abortion restrictions, which don’t impose penalties on the women who get abortions. Typically, any penalties are imposed on the physician who does the procedure.

 

The anti-abortion movement in recent decades has shied away from the perception that it is “punishing” women for getting abortions. Instead, it has focused on penalties for the physicians who provide them, such as imposing medical or legal restrictions on their practice. In some rare situations, women have faced charges associated with abortions they have attempted on their own.

Having realized this had become a PR fiasco, Trump promptly walked back his comments.

This is a statement released just moments ago, in which the billionaire revises his initial comments, calling the women "victims", and stating it is doctors who should be held legally responsible for performing the illegal act:

If Congress were to pass legislation making abortion illegal and the federal courts upheld this legislation, or any state were permitted to ban abortion under state and federal law, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be legally responsible, not the woman. The woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed - like Ronald Reagan, I am pro-life with exceptions.

But by the time the Trump campaign released that statement it was far too late. The media, women's rights groups, pro-abortion groups, as well as all of Trump's political opponents smelled blood. 

"The last person women need to police their health care decisions is someone who sees them not as people, but as ‘fat pigs,’ ‘bimbos’ and ‘disgusting animals,’" Marcy Stech, a spokeswoman for Emily's List, a pro-abortion-rights group said.

Here's the reaction from March for Life:

And from Bernie Sanders:

And here's the Cruz campaign calling Trump a "charlatan":

Expect this soundbite to play on a loop should Trump end up squaring off against Clinton this fall. Speaking of whom:

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DCon's picture

If Trimp is a Clinton plant he is playing his role perfectly

Professorlocknload's picture

this^^^^

None of these skits are by accident. It's all strategy driven.

Omega_Man's picture

lets see how this affects his numbers, if it is like the FED they will go up

semperfi's picture

won't change much in Cruz vs Trump - he main actually gain some from Cruz - in Trump vs hitlery, it will be a push - he'll lose some women but he will also gain some from this - won't change much of anything

Citxmech's picture

This will be a positive in terms of getting the nomination, but will he attempt to backtrack for the general - or hell-be-damned go forward with his newly found religion? 

roadhazard's picture

The uneducated vote don't care.

 

 

shovelhead's picture

^

Loves killing innocent babies

Hates killing convicted murderers.

Why? Just because.

falak pema's picture

trump = neanderthal.

Some regression.

The Taliban would love this guy.

Why don't the GOP neo-cons send him to run Afghan Taliban land?

Problem solved : The Man who wanted to be king!

Film made by John Huston.

newworldorder's picture

Come now. Name calling or defining him with the N-word is not true. Abortion is one of those issues that in the eyes of the DEMOCRAT PLANTATION PARTY IS A YES/NO PROPOSITION WITH NO LIMITS OR RIGHTS FOR THE UNBORN.

Mathews is a "CARRY THE WATER CHARLATAN, FOR HILLARY." 

TRUMP did not have a well thought answer explaining his position.

Wahooo's picture

You obviously can't read. Bet you can thump a bible, though.

falak pema's picture

but I can breed... and I know who a woman is.

She left the cave 5000 years ago.

oddjob's picture

Think having a tranny as first lady might of set that back any?.....next up a murderous habitual lying lesbian as President?

truthalwayswinsout's picture

Abortion is ok for Blacks.

MASTER OF UNIVERSE's picture

What about the Gooks, Chinks, Japs, Riceballs, Pakies n' Ragheads?

MFL8240's picture

Media doing Clintons work for her.  Get tTrump gone and she will stop Cruz at the gate

roadhazard's picture

That would be Trump doing Clintons work for her. Run that mouth Donald you fucking clown.

Full Nelson's picture
Full Nelson (not verified) Mar 30, 2016 5:54 PM

More bull shit.  Who fucking cares. 

EVERY voter's mind is ALREADY made up. 

If it is Trump vs Clinton, Sanders voters simply won't vote.  They're moving to Canadia and/or committing Hare Kare.

Infield_Fly's picture
Infield_Fly (not verified) Full Nelson Mar 30, 2016 5:59 PM

Fritz?

GoinFawr's picture

If it is a descendant of Drumpf vs. Clinton instead of abstaining Sanders supporters should do the write-in thing, then move to Canadia or commit Hare Kare (sic).

El Crusty's picture

Honestly the whole abortion rights movement has become a sick twisted example of what we are letting happen to this country.

There are litterally women out there who are "celebrating" abortion like it some kind of right of passage and telling others that "every woman should have an abortion"  for no other reason than to say they had one. what kind of fucked up bullshit is that? abortion is supposed to be an option of last resort and insane feminists are treating it like going to starbucks and trying a new latte. its a human life , not a pair of shoes to be thrown away on a whim. if you dont want to have a kid keep your fucking legs closed, use protection or fucking swallow that shit, and if you do get knocked up they have these places called orphanages where you can drop the baby off and other couples who are incapable of having children come and take the kid home and give it the chance at  life that it deserves.

Feminists are some of the most vile evil beings walking the planet.

Infield_Fly's picture
Infield_Fly (not verified) Mar 30, 2016 5:58 PM

Roe vs Wade will remain in place.

 

Trump for President.

 

Oh wait, let's put an 80 year communist  into the WH, no wait, some murderous cunt who belongs jail for DHS violations and tax evasion.

 

No wait, there's Cruz who rode Trump's coat tails on every one of his positions.  Cruz is a parrot.

quadraspleen's picture

he only opens his mouth to change feet lately, it seems

Omega_Man's picture

ask Hitlery if she is ok with killing 80 million Americans... she would say "of course... kill more babies... but let me eat them"

Seasmoke's picture

Trump sure looks like he is looking for the exit door

taopraxis's picture
taopraxis (not verified) Seasmoke Mar 30, 2016 5:59 PM

Trump will take a dive for HRC. Remember Perot because it's the same MO.

 

1stepcloser's picture

Get out now Mr. Trump or Die! your choice

roadhazard's picture

Perot was a genius compared to Trump.

jomama's picture

Alas, I only have one green to give.

Barnaby's picture

I heard his voice on the phone at the time, during an interview. He was so earnest, and his expressions were so sincere. I can't help but think he helped them build the trap. Just my anecdotal opinion.

Maxter's picture

Well if you actualy read what he said, he simply makes sense.  IF abortion is illegal, THEN yes it needs a punishement for breaking the law.  That's all he said.

 

You can debate if making it illegal is good or not (I think it would be an aweful decision), but why make it illegal if there is no consequences for breaking the law? What Trump said is just common sense.

 

 

Wahooo's picture

Exactly, that's what I read as well. But the vaginas will be all over this.

taopraxis's picture
taopraxis (not verified) Mar 30, 2016 5:58 PM

Libertarians do *not* fuck with people's rights over their own bodies.

Drug laws, sex laws, gun laws, abortion laws, censorship, laws and more laws, i.e., police state.

Basically, Trump is a law-and-order fascist pretending to be a free market libertarian. Mind your own business, asshole.

minitrue's picture
minitrue (not verified) taopraxis Mar 30, 2016 6:04 PM

Said Rand Paul the libertarian

I strongly believe in the sanctity of life and that life begins at conception. Under the 14th Amendment, it is the government’s duty to protect life as defined in our Constitution. Our government should not fund abortions. As President, I will stop the flow of taxpayer dollars to groups who perform or advocate for abortion.

How is that different from Trump the facist

semperfi's picture

right - but the baby isn't the woman's body - so the baby says:  do not fuck with my right over my own body

ersatz007's picture

pretty smart baby to be talking so early

Victor von Doom's picture

They're smarter than every feminist I've ever heard of.

taopraxis's picture
taopraxis (not verified) taopraxis Mar 30, 2016 6:17 PM

Difference between so-called liberals and so-called conservatives.

Conservatives want big government to protect the unborn and liberals want big government to protect the uneducated. Frankly, I do not see that much of a difference between them.

SilverRhino's picture

Bullshit. Libertarians protect ALL lives. The right for a woman's body stops when the child's body begins. 

taopraxis's picture
taopraxis (not verified) SilverRhino Mar 30, 2016 6:37 PM

A fetus is not a child. Otherwise, shut the fuck up...

ebear's picture

Damn.... this would be so much easier if we'd evolved from birds.

PrintemDano's picture
nounplural fetuses. Embryology.
1.
(used chiefly of viviparous mammals) the young of an animal in the womb or egg, especially in the later stages of development when thebody structures are in the recognizable form of its kind, in humansafter the end of the second month of gestation. Expand Also, especially British, foetus.  The young of my species is a child, yours is an ass?
1stepcloser's picture

Fucking babies have it coming anyway....  Messing up the va jay jays and all...

 

Vagina holes matter!

SillySalesmanQuestion's picture

The Don played with the Master of "gotcha journalism" Chris Mathews and paid for it royally...MSNBC Manufactured Shitty News Broadcast Continually.

roadhazard's picture

Yes, it was Chris Mathews fault.  Get a grip, son.

Duc888's picture

 

 

Well, that's it.  The Donald just fell out the bomb bay door from 30K feet without a shoot.

 

All I gotta say is DAMMIT.  I sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wanted to hear him tear Killery apart...and now he just gave her ammo.  Hey Don, some things are better left unsaid.

 

semperfi's picture

nah - he may have just pushed some women over to hitlery - but he may also gain a few as well

roadhazard's picture

Yes, the uncouth vote goes to Trump.

Duc888's picture

 

 

shoot=chute