Obama Tells CIA To Prepare For Cyber War With Russia

Tyler Durden's picture

In what is looking more and more like a season finale of the HBO series "House of Cards" with each passing day, the Obama administration is now literally threatening a cyber war with Russia over allegations it was behind the hacking of Clinton's emails.  According to an exclusive NBC report, the Obama administration "is contemplating an unprecedented cyber covert action" (though it's unclear how exactly it's covert if Biden is announcing it to the world via an interview with Chuck Todd)  against Russia, in "retaliation for alleged" interference in the American presidential election, and has asked the CIA to draft plans for a "wide-ranging "clandestine" cyber operation designed to harass and "embarrass" the Kremlin leadership."

So now the Obama administration is overtly leveraging the full power of the United States to intimidate foreign governments, and most likely Julian Assange, in order to maintain control of the Executive Branch of the government.  Does anyone within the mainstream media see any problems with this?  Certainly Chuck Todd and NBC do not.  And notice that even the NBC article refers to "alleged" Russian interference because not a shred of evidence has been presented to prove that senior Russian officials were actually behind the hacking of Hillary's emails...but who needs facts when you have a complicit media eager to advance whatever propaganda is necessary to maintain power?   

The Obama administration is contemplating an unprecedented cyber covert action against Russia in retaliation for alleged Russian interference in the American presidential election, U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

 

Current and former officials with direct knowledge of the situation say the CIA has been asked to deliver options to the White House for a wide-ranging "clandestine" cyber operation designed to harass and "embarrass" the Kremlin leadership.

 

The sources did not elaborate on the exact measures the CIA was considering, but said the agency had already begun opening cyber doors, selecting targets and making other preparations for an operation. Former intelligence officers told NBC News that the agency had gathered reams of documents that could expose unsavory tactics by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

 

Vice President Joe Biden told "Meet the Press" moderator Chuck Todd on Friday that "we're sending a message" to Putin and that "it will be at the time of our choosing, and under the circumstances that will have the greatest impact."

 

When asked if the American public will know a message was sent, the vice president replied, "Hope not."

Former CIA officers interviewed by NBC said that there is a long history of the White House plotting potential cyber attacks against Russia.  That said, none of them were ultimately carried out because "none of the options were particularly good, nor did we think that any of them would be particularly effective."

Two former CIA officers who worked on Russia told NBC News that there is a long history of the White House asking the CIA to come up with options for covert action against Russia, including cyber options — only to abandon the idea.

 

A second former officer, who helped run intelligence operations against Russia, said he was asked several times in recent years to work on covert action plans, but "none of the options were particularly good, nor did we think that any of them would be particularly effective," he said.

Putin Obama

 

Others warned that the White House has always caved on plans to follow through with cyber attacks because anything the U.S. can do against Russia, they can also do in response.  As one of the former CIA officers said, "if you are looking to mess with their networks, we can do that, but then the issue becomes, they can do worse things to us in other places."

"We've always hesitated to use a lot of stuff we've had, but that's a political decision," one former officer said. "If someone has decided, `We've had enough of the Russians,' there is a lot we can do. Step one is to remind them that two can play at this game and we have a lot of stuff. Step two, if you are looking to mess with their networks, we can do that, but then the issue becomes, they can do worse things to us in other places."

 

Putin is almost beyond embarrassing, he said, and anything the U.S. can do against, for example, Russian bank accounts, the Russian can do in response.

 

"Do you want to have Barack Obama bouncing checks?" he asked.

 

Former CIA deputy director Michael Morell expressed skepticism that the U.S. would go so far as to attack Russian networks.

 

"Physical attacks on networks is not something the U.S. wants to do because we don't want to set a precedent for other countries to do it as well, including against us," he said. "My own view is that our response shouldn't be covert -- it should overt, for everybody to see."

Here is a brieg clip of Biden discussing the "covert" planning with NBC's Chuck Todd.

 

If the Obama administration is willing to go to such great lengths, literally escalating tensions with another superpower, to protect their candidate from whatever it is that she's hiding then we suspect whatever WikiLeaks has yet to release could be really good.

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roadhazard's picture

Obama leaves office Jan. 20th. Syria is the next Presidents baby. He is concentrating on Mosul with a retaking of the city scheduled for Oct 17th. There are 12,000 American troops there to make it happen. To retake Mosul will give him a large feather in his cap against ISIS.

Kenyesian Seasonally-Adjusted Spot Gold's picture

Just wait until the video of Hillary calling an AfricanAmerican woman a NIGGER drops next week. Countries might start glowing in the dark.

Biffkenson's picture

Dumbo would risk war to make sure Hillary wins the election.

Berspankme's picture

I'm guessing some of the remaining wikileaks are direct communication between buttfuck and Hildaskank. Asspuppet is trying to stop it by threatening Russia so they retaliate and take down our internet and voila no more wiki

Omega_Man's picture

so you think Merica won WW2??? Merica entered June 1944... war in europe ended less than a year later in April 1945... 

Merican losses just over 400,000

Soviet Union... 26,000,000 dead.... 1 million Soviet soldiers routed Japs out of China...

German military dead 5,000,000

don't give us that shit about Merica winning WW2...

 

WW3

Russian army... 60,000,000 under arms... and  anyone who can get a stick to beat some skulls

Chinese Army 700,000,000 

Iranian army 30,000,000

US army... 2,000,000 including LGBTQ2 divisions  

IRS and FED army 70,000

 

bannedonce's picture

The War in Europe was won by Soviet troops at the battle of Stalingrad not Normandy. America has a way of patting itself on the back for shit it doesnt deserve.  We've ridden someone else's coattails or lost the wars of the last 100 years.

tarabel's picture

 

 

The War in Europe was won by the Allied Air Forces and Navies that bombed German industry to rubble, and cleared the seas so that war supplies could flow to troops fighting on every front-- including Russia. So long as the Luftwaffe ruled the skies, Germany was victorious. Once British and American strategic air power began to force Germany to withdraw air support from the front line to protect the homeland, she was doomed.

There is a very famous photo of Russian artillery units parading through Berlin after the war was over.

Every single one of their trucks was a Dodge M-37 Weapons Carrier. Just a thought.

It took a titanic joint effort among all of the allied powers in order to beat down a nation as strong as Germany and in full possession of the resources of Western Europe. Neither side could have done it alone.

me or you's picture

Plus me and my boys we will fight alongside the Russians too.

tarabel's picture

 

 

The Russian Army accepts foreign volunteers right now.

Don't forget to write and let us know how it's working out for you.

PS-- I have a big pile of Russian MREs stacked right here next to my desk. Fucking cat food.

Parrotile's picture

I've eaten current Russian MREs and they are perfectly OK, as you'd know if you ever tried them.

 

These are the "Civilianised" version with rather fancy packaging, whereas the "legit" Russian Ground Forces version is a bit more austere packaging-wise, but nevertheless comprehensive -

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Real-Military-Russian-Army-Food-Ration-Daily-...

 

The "Real Deal" (as "acquired by connected relatives") - a box of 48 packs for a case of good Scotch I believe :-)

 

http://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/6/1/russian-mre-army-food-em...

tarabel's picture

 

 

Gosh, where to begin...

1) American entered the war in 1941, not 1944. Russia entered the war in 1939 but it was on GERMANY'S side. Later on, in 1941, Hitler forced them to change jerseys.

2) US dead 400,000, USSR dead 26,000,000 doesn't sound like the Soviets won. It sounds like the Germans kicked their asses around the moon and inflicted 6 or 7-1 casualties on them despite being half their size and with one hand tied behind their backs. Without the help of the Western Allies, the Reich War Banner would have floated over the Urals.

3) The USSR DID NOTHING in the Pacific and only declared war one day after the Hiroshima bombing effectively ended the conflict. That they then overran the Kwantung Army is hardly a surprise. But the USN was effectively looking for parking places in the Inland Sea at that time. What befell the isolated China garrisons mattered not one whit to the actual outcome of the Pacific campaign.

4) The days of linear armies composed of masses of draftees is over. Even the Russians have abandoned the draft and are gingerly feeling their way towards an all-volunteer force that is much smaller but actually is composed of professionals rather than bewildered plowboys who only want to go home to their goats. Even if these armies possessed the numbers they boast of on paper, war is all about logistics. An army of 700 million would eat 1,000,000 tons of food a day, plus all the gas, spare parts, ammo and printed forms necessary for an army to function that would account for perhaps 10-20 times as much per diem. And how are they going to get to North America? Via the Silk Road?

The United States clearly won WWII since it emerged with the largest military force on the planet, backed by a monopoly of nuclear weapons, an undamaged industrial base, a relatively small casualty list, and its financial resources intact while everyone else's resources were drained dry.

The Russians lost WWII because they ended up with their evil dictator still on his throne, unlike the Germans, Italians, and Japanese.

They also lost WWI by surrendering to Germany in early 1918 even though their side won. Plus they got a nice Red Terror and a lingering Civil War as lovely parting gifts for their duplicity.

And of course they also lost WWIII by crumbling into dust without so much as a fight once America got serious about shutting down their little ponzi scheme of conquering various shitholes and draining them of resources before moving onto the next one. Once the Soviet Empire was blocked from further expansion, it fell apart financially. One of the cheapest victories ever achieved in the history of warfare. Simply spent into oblivion and fenced off from expanding in keeping with General Marshall's wise plan post-1945. 

Parrotile's picture

Gosh, where to begin... <

 

Might be useful to begin with the obviously unpalatable realisation that if it had not been for Russian engagement on the Eastern Front, all those TWO MILLION well-equipped and well-trained Wermacht personnel (and their equipment) would have been available to engage the Allied powers, which would certainly have changed the outcome of the war, US (late) involvement or not. Germany was also well on the way to developing their "own" nuclear weapons, and the (jet-engined) means to deliver them (the Horten Ho229 was very real, and VERY much more advanced than anything the Allies had (or were developing), along with the Ho 18b "Amerika" 4-jet engined bomber (which looks an awful lot like the "oh, so revolutionary" B2 Spirit)) . . . . .. It also was rather "radar-invisible" well before "stealth" became the latest US Taxpayer Funding moneypit.

 

Don't kid yourself. Without Russian engagement you'd be "enjoying" the 1000 year Reich.

 

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=2644.0;wap2

 

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/offtopic-discussion-314159273/would-brita...

 

http://historum.com/war-military-history/4870-could-world-war-2-have-bee...

 

And many others.


flapdoodle's picture

By DDay, the USSR had rolled back the Wehrmacht and was threatening to retake Bulgaria and Romania, right on German's doorstep.

Part of the US/UK strategy had been to let the Germans and Soviets kill each other off, but the Soviet advances particularly after Kursk (August 1943!) meant the invasion had to happen or the Soviets would take the entire continent.

As for the effect lend-lease and aerial bombings had on German, only the attacks on oil had a real effect. The Nazis build vast underground factories and aircraft production (for example) was astonishing even in the last days of the war, using slave labor. The Germans found an amazing number of solutions to resource scarcity (e.g. sleeve bearings as alternatives to ball bearings), but even with synthetic oil production, they couldn't get enough, and by then they were running out of soldiers and airmen.

The Soviet weapons during the war were superb (they even had excellent aircraft, although the Germans generally had better pilots in the begining), and their factories were out of reach of the German airforce. The US trucks were a big help, but they did not "turn the tide".

Zhukov IMHO  is what turned the tide...

roadhazard's picture

If it were not for American sending war material to Russia they have lost. America needed those 100 German Divisions tied up against Russia. Otherwise they could care less what happened to Russia.

atthelake's picture

If we have war, we will have financiall collapse so, what you have now, is all you will ever have. STOCK UP, if you can.

sinbad2's picture

I think the plan is to hide the financial collapse via war.

They will appeal to Americans patriotism, to take their last dollar.

indaknow's picture

I always announce my clandestine attacks on meet the press. ROFLMFAO.

Pumpkin's picture

Time for a Obama Putin cage match!!  Obama will kick the shit out of him!!! :D

DennisR's picture

Got to get that banker war going somehow... 

Amazon.com at $800/share aint going to last forever....

Omega_Man's picture

what could possibly go wrong?? ... what difference does it make... 

SQUIDHELMET's picture

Ok I swear to fucking god, second article on ZH that says House of Cards is on HBO when it's a netflix production -- this is my favorite address on the internet but you guys scare the shit out of me on occasion with your ignorance to detail.

How are the unintiated supposed to buy your (correct) interpretations of world events when you can't run a google search? 

RichardParker's picture

You know the american msm is getting desperate when they start rehashing shit that happened 16 YEARS AGO.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/submarine-disaster-blew-putins-face-080000117...

 

sinbad2's picture

This will end badly, the US will shutdown Facebook, Russia will respond by shutting down ATM's, power stations, and maybe launching some US missiles whilst the hatch is on the silo.

The US uses its access to Windows source code to hack computers, not intellect.

Does Obama really think Putin uses Windows10?

BetterRalph's picture

I worry about a STRONG RF signal that uses all 1/0 hi/lo address space.

 

In other words, regardless of what a Circuit is supposed to be doing suddenly we inject an amplified signal so powerful that it overrides all the fucking digital clocks, and counters.  Boom your computer is fucking MUSH until the signal goes away.  I suspect this is what Russia has been taunting us with, but fuck if I know for sure. IN the big picture although I can mathmatically visualize power and freq, I ain't smart enough to pull off this larget digital clock sighals IDEA I am saying here. But maybe others SEE what I am saying and know how. It don't have to be JUST the clock attacked. It can be any resonant freq or clock signal that fucks things up. Maybe like a dirty trunk it can crosstalk all the hacked signal to shut down electronics all at once all broadcast on the emission and modes all the same time.

 

Maybe I'm delusional and I think too big for my own small fucking head?  And then maybe I inspire the RIGHT motherfuckers to put a stop to this treason.

 

While the EMP is a strong electronic and magnetic signal so powerful as to overcome the mil-specs safety factors on ALL chips and burn them out with opens/shorts in whichever state gives a fuck first.  I would be pissed at all the MONEY down the drain should my electronics get killed this way. I think I may be more pissed at Washington DC than RUSSIA if that happens. But alas I would be trying to hand make  a fucking full wave rectifier and filter to get back the fuck up again and running off solar. I Can solder a power supply with a propane torch Can YOU?

sinbad2's picture

Yeah I can, and I think your on the right track with harmonics playing havoc with HF gear, and almost everything operates in the mega/giga hertz range these days.

dogismycopilot's picture

Would suck if the US welfare EBT card system went down for, oh, say a couple of weeks.

BetterRalph's picture

And if some land was clawwed back then people could do gardens and learn about nutrition and wouldn't need to be on EBT if they could produce a field full of beets for example.  The problem with the EBT system is there's no way off the fucking RIDE, really society doesn't want us to have victory gardens. If they had LAND and GARDENS and people weaned off sugar and salt since they KNOW the TRUTH of what that shit does to your ARTERIES, then if the EBT went down nobody would sneeze since nobody is hooked on fucking SODA but whining maybe there isn't enough Aregula or brussle sprouts, maybe someone can trade for some purple carrots.

dizzyfingers's picture

Our metabolism requires minerals, including sodium. Sodium governs fluid balance. Ever stand up fast and faint? Low sodium level.

trueFacts's picture

i presume obaamas idea of a cyberwar is twitter photo of michellle holding up a new #noPutin hashtag

Kina's picture

and the american electricity grid doesnt represent a major tech target.  Problem Obama has is the USA tech security systems are more widespread and vulnerable.  I can see these fools accidentally targetting themselves and shooting themselves in the foot.

Omega_Man's picture

US aircraft carriers would all be destroyed within a week of fighting... certainly they are being followed now...

 

When chinese cross the Bering Straight get nervous... they will come down and enter the west coast...gonna be ugly...

Parrotile's picture

In any significant conflict, expect the US Carrier fleet to be sunk in a few HOURS at most, not weeks. Also expect air refuelling tankers to be a target - "no air refuelling, no return". Same applies to Fleet resupply / armaments vessels - without resupply capability, the Western War Machine will grind to a halt very quickly indeed.

 

How fast "could" things escalate? - try this (fictitious BBC News broadcast, but entirely realistic nevertheless). From  "Russian Aircraft shot down over Turkey" to "all-in" strategic nuclear attack on the UK (and elsewhere too) in far less than ONE hour.

 

https://youtu.be/glsCBBDBwZw

 

If things do come to this, WW3 will be the fastest war in Human history. It may also be the very LAST war in Human history . . . . . . .

JohninMK's picture

Don't forget the AWACS and satellites both of which the Russians have custom designed missiles for. If you can't see your targets or guide your 'smart' munitions, there is a problem.

Dr. Bonzo's picture

Obama administration is now literally threatening a cyber war with Russia over allegations it was behind the hacking of Clinton's emails....

I think this observation misses a salient point. This is the first time in US history an outgoing president has loudly announced he is contemplating igniting a war within 90 days of the expiration of his term, suggesting all sorts of quite nefarious outcomes heretofore well within the realm of sheer conspiracy theory... but here we are.

I can't think of a more salient opportunity for the "opposition" party to scream bloody murder.... and am not hearing a peep. Let alone outcries from media. We're steering directly toward a completely unacknowledged Constitutional crisis with not a peep of protest, from any quarter.

Calmyourself's picture

The ruling uniparty is facing existential threats.  The repuglicans will do nothing but cheerlead.  No one is coming to save us, each other is all we are going to have..

 

I wish I had a bigger more capable tribe...

Dr. Bonzo's picture

I wish I had a bigger more capable tribe...

I find ample grounds for a competent military leader to simply step in and remove the president by force of arms at this point. Suggesting war on the verge of national elections constitutes a existential threat to the Constitution. Unfortunately, I know how generals are selected, and they are selected mostly for their absolute obsequiousness.

Funny. Who thought the brink of WWIII would ever look like this.... a crisis being completely ignored and only acknowledged on the fringes.....

Wow......

Lost in translation's picture

A terrifying prospect, isn't it?

flapdoodle's picture

What is this opposition of which you speak??

Kina's picture

didnt hillary sell off some nuclear launch codes already.. to who?  saudis? isis? Cyprus?

Son of Captain Nemo's picture

Is it just me...  Or in the picture of Obunghole looking tough in front of the "Sambo" wrestler is he attempting to raise his leg and show Putin how hard he can get?!!!

In all the years I've lived in the Washington Metro area I have never in my 52 years seen such absolute and complete apoplectic "nervous breakdown" on the part of our intelligence services and military given what they've perpetrated in East Ukraine and in Syria with Russia's ally of more than 60 years including all of the economic sanctions and death and destruction in both theater(s)!!!!

What exactly did "Bath House" and Mr. Scranton think would happen after all we've done to them?...

Getting mighty interesting folks. And anybody who has been keeping close watch on the situation in Syria and Ukraine right now know that when the U.S. tries something "anything" they are going to wish they had never been born! 

Go ahead Barry make good on General Milley's and CIA "wunderkind" Morrell's threat(s)!!

As always we'll be watching you start something that you not only can't finish... But will witness an ass kicking that will make Vietnam look like complete and total victory for the United States!!!

Mass_hysteria's picture
Mass_hysteria (not verified) Oct 14, 2016 9:11 PM

russian hacking..they have zero evidence...its a made up hoax

lakecity55's picture

Yes, a lot of claims, yet nobody offers any real evidence.

They apparently think we all still believe anything they say, while we know they are FOS.

We have reached Peak Idiocracy.

Cabreado's picture

This is the Rise of the Self-Absorbed -- the Narcissist and Sociopath -- to a critical mass of places of influence and control.

Hence the enabled, unfettered path to eventual State insanity.

Joe A's picture

Like it isn't already happening now?

Skiprrrdog's picture

Why don't we just have Putin and Obozo the Brown(ish) Clown duke it out? I'm thinking two hits: Putin hits the Clown, the Clown hits the floor, screaming like a little girl...

inosent's picture

one of the better posters on ZH, short, stupid, funny, classic sarcastic

Minack's picture

How devastating would an attack that shuts down Wall Street or locks up banking for a week or two be? I imagine it would be Planet of the Apes in every major city once the EBT system goes down.