Healthcare Chaos Emerges After Trump Backtracks, Demands Immediate Repeal Of "Catastrophic" Obamacare

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Perhaps as a result an angry backlash to last night's report by the WSJ that President-elect Donald Trump had allegedly sided with Rand Paul in pushing to delay the repeal of Obamacare until such time as there is a suitable replacement option, which as we explained are two entirely distinct processes, and that an ACA replacement could take years as it would require bipartisan support, moments ago the the NYT reported that Trump appears to have backtracked on his position as recently as yesterday, and has pressed Republicans to move forward with the "immediate repeal" of the Affordable Care Act and to replace it very quickly thereafter, saying, “We have to get to business. Obamacare has been a catastrophic event.”

Trump’s position undercuts Republicans who want a quick vote to repeal President Obama’s signature domestic achievement but who also want to wait as long as two to three years to come up with an alternative. But more to the point presented last night, Trump's latest statement also is challenging the resolve of Republicans in Congress who do not want any vote on a repeal until that replacement exists such as Rand Paul, with whom Trump was said to have sided over the weekend.

According to the NYT Trump, "who seemed unclear about the timing of already scheduled votes" in Congress this week, demanded a repeal vote “probably some time next week,” and said “the replace will be very quickly or simultaneously, very shortly thereafter.”

That, however, as the NYT correctly notes, is impossible as republicans in Congress are nowhere close to agreement on a major health bill that would replace President Obama’s signature domestic achievement. A number of Republicans in the House and Senate have said publicly that they wanted to hold off on voting to eviscerate the health law until a replacement measure could be negotiated. Additionally, Democrats and Republicans would have to agree on a replacement to the existing law, which as Goldman explained yesterday afternoon, is likely the bottleneck that could take as much as 2 years.

So what is the current status of this suddenly chaotic process?

For now, the Senate is planning to vote Thursday morning on a budget resolution that would set up parliamentary protections for a health care repeal bill that would have to emerge from House and Senate committees by Jan. 27. The House would vote on Friday if that budget measure clears the Senate.

While that plan is under pressure from Republicans who want to slow the process as they struggle for an agreement on what would follow repeal, Trump is now saying there is no cause for delay, a 180 degree change in the position he reportedly espoused over the past few days. Trump also said he would not accept a delay of "more than a few weeks" before a replacement plan was voted on.

“Long to me would be weeks,” he said. “It won’t be repeal and then two years later go in with another plan.” That directly contradicts House Speaker Paul D. Ryan’s plans.

Furthermore, in his conversation with the NYT, Trump showed no sign of willingness to accept the health law any longer, despite numbers released today according to which some 11.5 million Americans have picked marketplace plans for 2017.

“It’s a catastrophic event,” he said. “I feel that repeal and replace have to be together, for very simply, I think that the Democrats should want to fix Obamacare. They cannot live with it, and they have to go together.”

And that's where he is wrong, because Democrats would be delighted to not fix Obamacare, leaving over 11 million Americans uninsured, and furious at Trump for removing their insurance protections.

Trump, however, disagrees and has issued a political warning to Democrats who might stand in his way, saying he would campaign against lawmakers, especially in states that he won in November.

“It may not get approved the first time, and it may not get approved the second time, but the Democrats who will try not to approve it” will be at risk, warning that “they have 10 people coming up” for re-election in 2018. That alluded to Democratic senators in states he won.

“I won some of those states by numbers that nobody has seen. I will be out there campaigning,” he said.

To summarize, with Trump suddenly backtracking on a position he allegedly had as recently as yesterday, it appears the repeal of Obamacare will proceed as expected, and quickly, even though as of this moment, there are no concerte plans how to proceed with conceiving and implementing a replacement to the soon to the be repealed ACA. In other words, Chaos.

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Peak Finance's picture

Oh thank god the backtracking had me worried.

I truly believe that business will jump vastly the moment this is gone for good. 

Question: Did people get their 2017 Obamacare bills yet? Maybe when this happens momentium for instant repeal will pick up. 

Jim in MN's picture

Remember from the campaign the big knock on Trump's insistence on creating competition between states was 'oh but the companies don't want to do that'...? 

NOW, think about what happens when the Donald starts sweating the CEOs of these motherfucking insurance and provider companies directly.

Suddenly, the companies DO want to play.

On big pharma, fuggedaboutit.  Just shaft them like they shafted us for decades.


Countrybunkererd's picture

BURN IT DOWN DON!!!!!!!!!!!!  Put them on medicare and print it until replaced BUT BURN IT DOWN!!


froze25's picture

How hard is this, you repeal it. You then go back to how it was before hand. 2 things were going to be kept right? 1) children can remain until they are 23 and 2) Pre-existing condition coverage.
Doesn't seem that hard to me.

Countrybunkererd's picture

It isn't for a normal person.  But these are government "people".

Osmium's picture

Whatever "solution" they end up with, members of CONgress should be bound to that as well.  Get rid of their free healthcare for life, and they MAY actually fix something.

Vatican_cameo's picture


We didn't have "National Healthcare" for 200 years and there didn't seem to be a problem.  Now these jokers feel that since we had a Catastrophe for a few years, it needs to be replaced?  5% of the population uses 50% of Obamacare.  Screw 'em.

Countrybunkererd's picture

We still end up with a national healthcare system.  These duplicitous MFers need to be eliminated by increasingly forceful means until they are gone.

wren's picture

I think Hollywood should pay for everyone's insurance. Maybe then they would go back to reading the lines written by intelligent people.

Fathead Slim's picture
Fathead Slim (not verified) wren Jan 10, 2017 5:35 PM

wren, you are a got dang genius.

Offthebeach's picture

Who's gonna pay for my cross country King Ranch mobility scooter? My heavy load toilet that the plumber said was $2,300? I got a condition, I gots bi-polar. Last times I shat in the tub I fells and the Two International Rescue trucks fulls of EMahTees had to cuts the wall out and I donts have a tub just a galvi horse trough and a plank! My towel size wipes are gone and just got a barbecue mop to cleans up!
My childrens childrens are depressed, hav reding disable and are on SSI. Hows im supposed to git the grand kids to sees their mothers on vist days?


Fathead Slim's picture
Fathead Slim (not verified) Offthebeach Jan 10, 2017 5:34 PM

Quit it, you done made me bust out to crine. Yo' poor chirrens. The humanitis of it all, an everythang.

Syrin's picture


Oldwood's picture

What is really retarded is the fact that the demonrats created Obamacare in less than a year and republicans will take at least two to replace it???

We know we are still going to be fucked because there is no way to fix it. They want to keep all the good stuff (free healthcare and preexisting conditions) and get rid of the bad things (paying for it). 

WE KNOW what the answer is and it is free markets and personal responsibility...That's right...I want people to fucking DIE if they are too stupid to work and save for their own future. Fucking government dependency is going to be the death to ALL of us.

Countrybunkererd's picture

when we had communities and REAL churches, people would take care of eachother in various ways.  Now with forced taxation to "needy" nobody gives a shit because they already did their part by paying taxes.  One method seems FAR superior than the other.

skepsis101's picture

 . . . until they turn 26 years of age.

knukles's picture

Gang, the next 4 years is gonna be absolute confusion from stern to bow as the whole bloody place is too big and clumsy, way too many vested interests and money.
Most Republicans in DC have not listened and heard the people's will.
They're going to go mighty about their business as normal.
With the Democrats in the background going full bat-shit crazy asinine.   Which might just serve as the foundation for sick twisted humor and enjoyment.

It's gonna be a strange trip.

Akzed's picture

"Unleash hell!" -Maximus D. Meridius

ejmoosa's picture

Eliminate the penalty for not having it and it is effectively repealed.

It's that simple.

Max Cynical's picture

There's another 3,000 pages of job killing regulations that must go as well. It's not just about the penalty.

Yes We Can. But Lets Not.'s picture

And reimburse anyone who ever paid that penalty, with an apology on behalf of former President B. Obama.

Kirk2NCC1701's picture

The beauty is, that he has the tick with which to repeal it, by eliminating its Penalty:

Trump can issue an EO that repeals the Penalty.


Now eliminate the state borders around the insurance plans. --> Competitive expansion.

SilentBull's picture

And then what happens to pre-existing condidtions? You're talking about bankrupting the insurance companies even faster. How brilliant you are!

This isn't smiple at all. Anyone who says it is just doesn't understand anything. Listen to Rand. Republicans will get blamed for the chaos if they don't replace Obamacare at the same time.

Fathead Slim's picture
Fathead Slim (not verified) SilentBull Jan 10, 2017 5:28 PM

So? Is this about saving the sclerotic Pube party? Fuck no. It ain't. Why do you call yourself silent bull when you won't STFU?

TwelveOhOne's picture

Well, I suppose then it's a good thing that Trump isn't really a republican!

Croesus's picture

@ DJT:

Tear-up EVERYTHING that Obama, and Bush, and Clinton have done.

They are traitors to America.

Bring our troops home, and tear-up the MIC.

Kick-out ANYONE in government who is a dual-citizen.

Anyone resists, order them shot.

froze25's picture

Sounds good to me. I would go back to Bush Sr as well.

Countrybunkererd's picture

and (We) The People said, AMEN!

TwelveOhOne's picture

In matters of fact, the following grates me; but, in matters of opinion: "So say we all!"

Laddie's picture

The "Health Care" SIC Industry is a vile racketeer influenced corrupt system.
Rand Paul is as BAD as his father was GOOD.

Obamacare is yet ANOTHER wealth transfer from US, the White populace, to the people of color. At the same time .gov is, effectively, killing off the Golden Goose, i.e. White America. I tell you there is a METHOD to their MADNESS.

Mr Trump START OFF with getting rid of Obongocare.
Then UNDO all the anti-gun executive orders that mulatto put on the 2nd Amendment.
THEN repeal the 1965 Immigration Act.
Build the WALL, appoint REAL Americans as Supreme Court Justices.

DO continue to bring jobs back here.
GET RID OF THE ALPHABET visas scam that robs Whites of jobs.
DO that and you will be a GREAT President.

The soaring crime rate of Chicago, where 75-murdered-are-black-71-murderers-are-black, came to a symbolic crescendo with the South African style kidnapping and torture of a young disabled white man by blacks. While the attackers in question were being interrogated over a noise complaint, the young man was able to escape, but make no mistake that they would’ve murdered him were it not for this stroke of luck.

Chicago, like most other American industrial centers, is a canary in the coal mine of what is coming for the rest of America as the white population continues to decline.

Fathead Slim's picture
Fathead Slim (not verified) Laddie Jan 10, 2017 5:25 PM

Chicago is in line to become the next Detroit.

lie_to_me's picture

It isn't the providers/physicians. We are told what we are going to be paid by the carriers and it's not much. Also 45% of our overhead is spent trying to get payment from those SOB's.  So it's the carriers and "Big Pharma" who are laughing all the way to the bank. We need to get the carriers out of primary care which would lower costs. Direct patient care is the way to go.

TwelveOhOne's picture

Imagine if we had "carriers" in routine automobile maintenance?

Gas would be ten times the cost, as would be oil changes, etc.

Because the fucking insurers wouldn't be paying the mechanics or the petroleum distribution engineers.  Just as in "health" they don't pay the doctors or nurses.

Fuck routine; insurance is for catastrophes.  If it's for routine, then you're building the two tallest buildings in Boston!  (Hancock and Prudential.)

junction's picture

The state of confusion we are in now is nothing compared to when Trump actually becomes president.

Joe Davola's picture

Confusion - is that the 57'th state where Obama's gonna retire to?

Cruel Aid's picture

57 muslim states, he was correct, just wrong And stupid, not brilliant at all.

DomoJojo's picture

A good cleaning requires getting dirty.

espirit's picture

It was Rand Paul that had a Gingrich moment.

He said that Trump said...


Sorry Rand, you're out.

cowdiddly's picture

POS Rand Paul shows his true colors AGAIN.

Son, you would'nt make a pimple on your Dad's ass.

bamawatson's picture

he is EXACTLY like daddy

a phoney; with a bunch of limp wristed  gutless 'moderate' chickenshit "Libertarian" cult members

neither father nor son has accomplished a goddamn thing other than living off gullible fools

Onehundredpercentofnuthin...'s picture

You're full of shit. Who do you think started on auditing the FED legislation? Do you think that any of these other gutless fuckers in CONgress would've done it? I think not!

SilentBull's picture

You guys are too stupid to understand what is about to happen. Rand is trying to save the GOP here. The GOP wil get all the blame for the Obamacare mess if they just repeal parts of it and don't replace it. But again, the republican party is addicted to losing, and so are you fools.

lie_to_me's picture

Baloney. Obamacare is the mess.

lie_to_me's picture

Baloney. Obamacare is the mess.

Jim in MN's picture

Baloney.  Obamacare is the mess.

TwelveOhOne's picture

Baloney.  Obamacase is the mess.

asteroids's picture

NO deal is better than a bad deal. Always! I think there might be a mathematical proof to back that up somewhere.

TwelveOhOne's picture

WE (the people) have altered the deal.  Pray that WE don't alter it further!