Breaking News of Saudi Crown Prince's "Secret" Visit To Israel Brings Embassy Scramble

Tyler Durden's picture

Clearly the war in Syria and the international push for regime change against Assad has created strange alliances in the Middle East over the past few years. Among the strangest bedfellows are the Israelis and Saudis. It's no secret that common cause in Syria of late has led the historic bitter enemies down a pragmatic path of unspoken cooperation as both seem to have placed the break up of the so-called "Shia crescent" as their primary policy goal in the region. But that's perhaps why few pundits seemed overly shocked when Israeli media late last week began reporting that a Saudi prince made a secret visit to Israel, in spite of the fact that the kingdom does not recognize the Jewish state, and the two sides do not have diplomatic relations.

Last Wednesday (9/6) Israel's state funded Kol Yisrael radio service made cryptic reference to the "secret" yet historic visit while withholding names and specifics. "An emir of the Saudi royal court visited the country secretly in recent days and discussed with senior Israeli officials the idea of advancing regional peace," the station reported. It added further that, "Both the Prime Minister's Office and the Foreign Ministry refused to comment on the issue."


Left: Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, Right: Saudi Arabia's Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman

The visit is said to have occurred the same week Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu confirmed "unprecedented" relations with the Arab world. Netanyahu made the comments before members of the foreign ministry and said, "Things that are happening today between Israel and the Arab world are unprecedented. Cooperation on a wide range of issues are occurring behind the scenes, more than at any time in Israel’s history."

But on Sunday reports began to emerge that the unidentified Saudi royal in question is no less than Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, which would indeed be shocking news:

On Sunday, the IUVM Online Arabic news outlet identified the Saudi official who reportedly visited Israel as Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman, the Defense Minister of Saudi Arabia and heir apparent to the throne.

 

The IUVM Online report cited a United Arab Emirates intelligence officer, who claimed that bin Salman was the member of the Saudi royal family who met with Israeli officials in last week’s secret meeting.

Western journalists also began on Sunday to report the dignitary as being Crown Prince Salman - something which could have huge geopolitical consequences for the region given that such a high level meeting would possibly take place at all.

The reports were immediately disputed and subject to disbelief and controversy. As bin Salman's name continued to circulate Sunday, the Saudi Embassy in Washington D.C. attempted to shut down news of the visit. A senior Saudi diplomatic official took to Twitter with a simple "Nope" in reference to the allegations.

Of course, if true such a dramatic move between the countries would signify a monumental shift in relations and outlook. On Sunday Israeli media was also broadly advancing bin Salman's name as the Saudi emir in question.


Multiple Israeli outlets on Sunday identified Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman as having met with senior Israeli officials early last week.

Though initial reports in Israeli media speculated that it could mean positive momentum on the Palestinian issue, it is unlikely that the future king of Saudi Arabia himself would suddenly pay a personal visit to Israel over an issue which has stalemated regional diplomacy for decades. It also doesn't appear that Israeli policy on settlements has undergone any significant on the ground change. If true, public knowledge of the visit will certainly result in embarrassment for both countries, especially on the Saudi domestic front.

The initial Israeli public radio report referenced the visit of "an emir of the Saudi royal court" on Wednesday while saying the trip took place "in recent days". As both Israel and Saudi Arabia have been so heavily invested in pursuing regime change in Syria, and at a time when other world powers seem to be backing off, it is inconceivable that Syria wasn't high on the agenda during the unprecedented visit.

The timing of the meeting also seems more than just coincidental in relation to last week's Israeli airstrike on a Syrian military facility, which took place in the middle of the night Wednesday (or more precisely Thursday morning at 3:00 am). As we reported at the time, Israel's brazen act of aggression was designed to provoke a response from Syria. As the Syrian government stands poised to be victorious in the more than 6-year long conflict while rapidly regaining more and more territory, Israel seems desperate to keep the war going and is still making last ditch efforts to draw external powers deeper into Syria, though framing its aggression as "humanitarian".

Could the two powers have been engaged in face to face talks over renewed efforts at ramping up the stalled war for regime change in Syria? After all, Israel's declarations of its willingness to do anything to prevent an enduring Iranian presence in Syria have reached a new erratic pitch of late. During Netanyahu's recent contentious summit with Vladimir Putin in Sochi, the Israeli leader reportedly warned Putin that Israel would not tolerate an enlarged and stronger Shia sphere of influence along Israel's border. Yet the current trajectory of the war in Syria ensures just that, especially after the US-Russia brokered Astana agreement seemed to give tacit approval of Iranian troop presence in parts of Syria, while placing Russia in the driver's seat. It was further revealed that a senior Israeli official accompanying Netanyahu on the trip threatened to assassinate Syrian President Assad by bombing his palace in Damascus, while further adding that Israel will seek to derail the Astana de-escalation deal.

As for Saudi Arabia, while its deep embroilment in inter-GCC diplomatic war with Qatar seems to have tempered what used to be routine calls for Assad's departure, it must be remembered that the current unraveling of the GCC is ultimately benefiting IranIt is entirely possible that the Iran issue alone might drive the kingdom into direct engagement with Israel no matter the risks and political embarrassment (for example, news of the visit hands Iran a propaganda victory and likely more influence on the so-called Arab street, even perhaps within Saudi's own domestic population).

Saudi Arabia could also be worried about future blowback from its well-documented actions in Syria. A WikiLeaks cable released in 2015 as part of the "Saudi Leaks" trove of internal leaked Saudi diplomatic memos speaks to just this scenario. Though the memo's exact date is unknown, it was drafted sometime in early 2012 based on internal references in the Arabic text. It spells out the kingdom's internal long term rationale on Syria: that should the Syrian regime "be able to pass through its current crisis in any shape or form" then increased "danger for the Kingdom" means Saudi Arabia must "seek by all means available and all possible ways to overthrow the current regime in Syria." A full translation of the key passage reads as follows:

"In what pertains to the Syrian crisis, the Kingdom is resolute in its position and there is no longer any room to back down. The fact must be stressed that in the case where the Syrian regime is able to pass through its current crisis in any shape or form, the primary goal that it will pursue is taking revenge on the countries that stood against it, with the Kingdom and some of the countries of the Gulf coming at the top of the list. If we take into account the extent of this regime’s brutality and viciousness and its lack of hesitancy to resort to any means to realize its aims, then the situation will reach a high degree of danger for the Kingdom, which must seek by all means available and all possible ways to overthrow the current regime in Syria."

Whether or not it was in fact Crown Prince Salman that himself went to Israel, the timing of the high level delegation's visit is simply impossible to ignore. Simply put, Syria was without a doubt discussed... and shortly thereafter Syria was bombed. Such direct and closer relations among perennial enemies could be a sign of more escalation and desperate measures to come in the region. This is certainly not - as Israeli media reported - a sign of regional peace.

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HowdyDoody's picture

So Israel has occupied Italy too? Sneaky.

 

Herd Redirection Committee's picture

Israel plays its football/soccer in UEFA, i.e. against European nations, instead of its neighbors!

esum's picture

the 2 have always had mutual interests from even before and after the arab oil embargo ...  

and now they both face nuclear iran/russia and its minions as the common enemy...

remember ww3 will start (has started) in the middle east and the pieces are aligning perfectly

russia/turkey/iran wil attack israel and n .korea/russia /china will attack the ussa... 

Swampster's picture

Just an ISIS Planning Meeting...

 

ICE THE 'NAZI JEWS, BEFORE THEY ICE YOUSE

Umh's picture

They're everywhere! Those Khazars certainly find their way around the world.

Justin Case's picture

They have a lot of support from US congress that sends money to the merican command center in Tel Aviv, that is run by Bibi. The tail wags the dog. You don't hear a peep out of OHCHR about the atrocities these two countries commit every day. Saudi had over 250 be-headings last year and how many Palistinian civilians were shot to death by  IDF? Many of the victims in the worlds largest open air prison. International law prohibits the killing of prisoners, yet israel continues killing prisoners.

EddieLomax's picture

Only the loony fringe in Israel are advocating a "greater Israel", they are surrounded by Islamic states that hate them and breed at the fastest possible rate, Israel's goal is the preservation of state, in the short term a weak Syrian state looks good to them.

The Saudi's goal is spreading Islam, crushing the secular regime of Syria aligns with the Saudi long term goals, Israel will be next, Mohamed decapitated and tortured many Jews amoung his non-Muslim victims, the Saudi's are faithfully following his tradition.

To me this looks like the Neocon's are in control in Israel as they are in the west.  Keep the wars going for short term gains, the next generation will have to live with the consequences.

quadraspleen's picture

the current and last two generations of the Middle East are still living with the consequences of the last 70 years.

I agree up to a point about the "loony fringe" but when half of the ruling political party are part of that fringe, it's more like a hairdo than a fringe. 

Oh, and look who the "neocons" are...

SillyWabbits's picture

Israel's goal is the preservation of state

Israel's goal is the preservation of the Jewish state.

That is the problem.

sleigher's picture

They want a world of their own.  

Justin Case's picture

Brings moar understanding to Germany's actions in 1935

quadraspleen's picture

No, it's not the problem. Why shouldn't Jews be allowed to have their own country? Nobody can change what the British did in 1947, but they can certainly stop the bullshit now, and try and make reparations, so that the millions of Jews who'd have nothing to do with the racist, apartheid policies of their rulers, or the infiltration of world bodies that Mossad have undertaken to steer world events, can live in peace at last.. But why does that have to involve subjugating millions of people and creating and stoking war across the middle east.

Iran will not roll over. It will not be another Syria. It will be another Poland. 

 

hestroy's picture

"so that the millions of Jews who'd have nothing to do with the racist, apartheid policies of their rulers"

LOL!!!

SillyWabbits's picture

Why can’t teenage peg leg lesbians have their own country?

Why can’t everyone invent a God, G-d or what have you and claim the need for statehood?

Why can’t every group on earth claim to be special and chosen and their role is to “control” the other nations in the name of their deity?

You live in a world, not a tribal vacuum.

lucitanian's picture

You're following all the bread crumbs laid down for you. You are convoluting Zionism with Judaism, and pretending that Zionist Israel represents all Jewry. It doesn't and neither does the aggression, murder and terrorism they purvey masquerading as defense.

"why does that have to involve subjugating millions of people and creating and stoking war across the middle east."??

Good question. Because it brings profits and power to war mongers from Washington to Tel Aviv.

War Machine's picture

Except Zionism, without any question at all, has its basis in the 'Land of Israel' and 'Chosen People' mythos of the Torah, whose tribal father sky god blessed the use of massacre, genocide, theft, deception, and eventual rule over 'the nations.'

Anyone who cares to look will find these ideas all over Deuteronomy and the rest of the Pentateuch.

This doesn't mean the average guy takes it all seriously as religious dogma - but some do, and more accept it, in some secular, ethnonationalist variant - which is obvious. One need only study America's neoconservative movement, which was and is Jewish-and-Zionist in its inception and purpose.

But to divide Zionism from the texts and myths and dogma of Judaism is, frankly, absurd, even if your desire to distinguish actual bad actors from the majority of Jewish people is itself completely legitimate.

lucitanian's picture

Sorry but No. You are pursuing the same old hoodwinking that the Zionists do As a racist, extremist, political movement, they have brought nothing but shame and suffering down on the Jewish people for the last 100 years. And in actual fact the most conservative of Jews, the Orthodox will provide you all the literature you need to justify that what the Zionists claim is against "Gods will" (not that I'm any kind of monotheistic believer) in respect of their Liturgy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUppu2OHVTY

And if you study the history in Europe prior to and during the foundation of the illegitimate state of Israel you will be able to understand the damage the Zionists have done to the Jewish people in order to gain power. I wrote a piece on this a few years ago, if your interested (You'll have to scroll down to the article):

Zionist Forestry, “Only by blood will we get the land”?

There is no religion that dictates politics, but there are plenty of people who will bend and misinterpret their or other religions by cherry picking and de-contextualising to suit their political ends.

Yes, Zionism cannot exist without Jews, but Jews can very well exist without Zionism. Zionism does not represent Jews and IMHO over the last century has done most Jews a great disservice.

Iskiab's picture

@quadracine. What you're saying is true, but when push comes to shove even the most moderate Jews support Israel. There's always talk against hardliner fanatics in settlements, but it's only talk. Israel's foreign policy doesn't change and people still buy Israel bonds. In reality settlements wouldn't work without the escorts for security provided by Israel.

It's similar to the US. Anti-war protests and lots of descent, but the empire policies continue. You have to judge by actions and not rhetoric.

About the article, any discussions between Iran and Israel are good and a step towards long term peace, but I wouldn't be shocked if Israel does something like occupy parts of Syria.

Uncle Floyd's picture

Racist Apartheid Funny

Peace is not an Islamic concept jack Have a look around the hood.

waspwench's picture

The problem with the jews having their own country is that the country they decided to make their own was already in the possession of someone else, and had been for many centuries

Justin Case's picture

Juice never had a country. They are gypsies. They traveled from country to country and when people discovered this race for what they were, the Gov't exiled them. History shows that there were many countries that threw them out.

If juice had been exiled, expelled, or otherwise done away with by one or two countries, you could possibly make a case for this fable of “anti-semitism” or that maybe just certain people had a problem with the juice. However, when it gets to the point that you have a list of 109 different exiles from 84 different places, with some of them having to do so repeatedly, one is forced to start looking at the juice it’s self as the problem, and not those attempting to free themselves from the grasp of these parasites.

Just the fact that some countries were forced to repeatedly exile the juice, proves that these are relentless parasites, who will stop at nothing to gain control of our countries, enslave our people, and commit genocide against all peoples of the earth.

This list also dispels the myth that “zionism” (which didn’t appear until 1898) and “zionists” are the root source of today’s problems. Both of these are merely symptoms of a much larger problem with the entire juice race.  None of the countries listed below exiled just some of the juice, and none were foolish enough to simply consider them a religion or ideology. The juice were exiled and expelled as an entire race then, and should be dealt with as an entire race now. Some of these are general uprisings, and not outright exiles of juice.

YEAR . . . . . . . . . ............ . . . . .  .PLACE

250 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Carthage
415 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Alexandria
554 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Diocèse of Clermont (France)
561 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Diocèse of Uzès (France)
612 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Visigoth Spain
642 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Visigoth Empire
855 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Italy
876 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Sens
1012 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Mainz
1182 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – France
1182 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Germany
1276 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Upper Bavaria
1290 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – England
1306 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – France
1322 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – France (again)
1348 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Switzerland
1349 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Hielbronn (Germany)
1349 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Saxony
1349 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Hungary
1360 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Hungary
1370 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Belgium
1380 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Slovakia
1388 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Strasbourg
1394 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Germany
1394 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – France
1420 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Lyons
1421 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Austria
1424 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Fribourg
1424 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Zurich
1424 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Cologne
1432 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Savoy
1438 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Mainz
1439 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Augsburg
1442 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Netherlands
1444 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Netherlands
1446 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Bavaria
1453 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – France
1453 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Breslau
1454 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Wurzburg
1462 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Mainz
1483 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Mainz
1484 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Warsaw
1485 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Vincenza (Italy)
1492 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Spain
1492 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Italy
1495 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Lithuania
1496 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Naples
1496 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Portugal
1498 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Nuremberg
1498 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Navarre
1510 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Brandenberg
1510 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Prussia
1514 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Strasbourg
1515 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Genoa
1519 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Regensburg
1533 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Naples
1541 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Naples
1542 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Prague & Bohemia
1550 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Genoa
1551 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Bavaria
1555 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Pesaro
1557 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Prague
1559 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Austria
1561 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Prague
1567 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Wurzburg
1569 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Papal States
1571 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Brandenburg
1582 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Netherlands
1582 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Hungary
1593 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Brandenburg, Austria
1597 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Cremona, Pavia & Lodi
1614 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Frankfort
1615 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Worms
1619 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Kiev
1648 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Ukraine
1648 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Poland
1649 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Hamburg
1654 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Little Russia (Beylorus)
1656 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Lithuania
1669 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Oran (North Africa)
1669 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Vienna
1670 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Vienna
1712 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Sandomir
1727 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Russia
1738 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Wurtemburg
1740 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Little Russia (Beylorus)
1744 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Prague, Bohemia
1744 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Slovakia
1744 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Livonia
1745 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Moravia
1753 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Kovad (Lithuania)
1761 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Bordeaux
1772 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Deported to the Pale of Settlement (Poland/Russia)
1775 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Warsaw
1789 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Alsace
1804 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Villages in Russia
1808 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Villages & Countrysides (Russia)
1815 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Lbeck & Bremen
1815 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Franconia, Swabia & Bavaria
1820 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Bremen
1843 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Russian Border Austria & Prussia
1862 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Areas in the U.S. under General Grant’s Jurisdiction[1]
1866 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Galatz, Romania
1880s – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Russia
1891 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Moscow
1919 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Bavaria (foreign born Jews)
1938-45 – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Nazi Controlled Areas
1948 — – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – Arab Countries

nightwish's picture

Israel's goal is not only the preservation but the promulgation of the Jewish state.

11b40's picture

And total control of the world through the control of everyone's money, enforced by the US military.

BobEore's picture

If your line
"To me this looks like the Neocon's are in control in Israel as they are in the west"... was tongue in cheek...

nice touch, I salute thy slyness yur highnyness. If it was indeed however, straight up, the more the merry we be, at the expense of your falsely attributed drollness Sir Eddie.

The Saudis goal is identical to that of their genetic kin(or at least that part of the Judaite tribalists who indeed own some Semitic origins!)in Piratetown...

loot n pillage... the west preferably, but any ol where will do, in a pinch. They worship lucre, share a predilection for 'angry god' metaphysics, and also share the same cultural base... the headchoppings which you (inaccurately)refer to where simply a part of the INTERNECINE warfare between the Judaic tribes which controlled Medina and environs at the time of Islams' beginnings, and the socially inferior('pagan' at the time) upstart tribes which envied their wealth and power. All in the family, in other words...

which brings us back the the present, and the obligatory visit of the next puppet prince to his masters' house. Saudistan has been in the sionist stable for a long time now, and the formalization of that status will not be far off, as the oil wealth dwindles, along with Saudi influence.

Like, more recently, Turkey, as well as Jordan and several other "Arab" and/or "Muslim" states pretending to be anti-sionist whilst being sionist satrapies themselves, the Saudis are but tools of tel avivs' foreign policy directives, and there is nothing at all reminiscent of \grand geopolitical changes\ to be hyperbolically implied by clic bait articles!

The Towel n Turban wearers just be comin outta the closet, so to speak.

hestroy's picture

You are pretty confused, my joo friend.

lucitanian's picture

"The Saudi's goal is spreading Islam" BS

Saudi is the Saud family of cutthroats who's only goal is to stay in power any way possible. And they'll be friends with anyone, even the devil to maintain their monopoly on power. Even their deal with the Wahhabi fundamentalists during WWI was a marriage of convenience to bring Mecca into their purvey of control. 

The war ministry and Lawrence chose the evilest of the Bedouin tribes to do their bidding, and the world is still suffering.    

War Machine's picture

The trouble is the crazy fringe in Israel is not only in charge, but has networks of sayanim all over the US government, media, etc. From propagandists like Bill Kristol to Alt Right Zionists like Cernovich, to Israeli agents like Perle (I marvel at the fact he remains alive) and Kushner.

Kushner is a Chabad Orthodox Jew whose family has helped fund Israeli settlements and has taken millions from Soros. He and 2 other Ultra-Zionist Jews were sent by Orange Jesus to represent the American people in trying to negotiate I/P 'peace.'

Ponder that a moment. Obama had Rahm, Trump has Kushner who is the Mouth of Netanyahu... I understand that many here have a sort of emotional attachment to their Idea-of-Trump, but apart from a few scraps on illegal immigration thrown to the Breitbart crowd - the evidence shows he is a servant of Likud Israel, as are his kids.

It doesn't matter how he came to bend the knee and kiss the ring but he surely has.

The move to 'end' the CIA's arms-for-Al Qaeda (and ISIS... obviously) first of all isn't going to end it, but secondly should be seen as the Generals' marking their territory as they expand the bases and covert ops in SE Syria and Kurdistan.

I would guess Ukraine is getting a lot of hardware - I have not really seen anyone discussing this but if you look at the US/NATO take on Crimea and the incredible importance of Russia's bases there for power projection, a 'Ukrainian' attack to 'retake Crimea' is a possibility.

Russia's response gets framed as naked aggression and under color of law, the US/NATO can jump in an ostensibly limited goal war.

I don't argue this will happen but simply that it's worth pondering... a slowly spreading Crimea war might be deemed to be 'safe' in terms of any nuclear response. Some variant of this, tying Russia up in its near abroad, before a renewed attack on Syria, Lebanon, then Iran is itself likely.

There are always multiple actors and motives. I dont think Qatar was ever getting a pipeline through Syria to compete with Israel's Golan and Leviathan oil/gas given the relative influence of the players, but we can all agree stopping Iran's pipeline and reducing Russian supply to Europe is at heart a major goal.

But Likud's minions have been quite open, and they have more influence than anyone on the politicians and media.

And they will never give up on smashing Syria and Lebanon to pieces if they can be sure the Americans will supply most of the blood and treasure.

http://archive.is/U7XTH

Which is why ultimately the Russians will need to explicitly say that attacks on Russia (including Crimea) or its allies will result in severe consequences for Israel itself.

Iran is not an existential threat to Israel - whose people deserve to live in safety and security like anyone else (including Syrians and Lebanese and Palestinians and Iranians).

But Netanyahu and Likud/Shas absolutely are.

HowdyDoody's picture

Talking of Netanyahu, his son Yair Hun (he likes to use his mother's maidan name as his surname of Farcebook) has produced a cartoon linking Soros, reptiles, the Illuminati, and various Israeli politicians (who all happen to oppose his dear daddykins). Each layer tempts the lower layer with whatever they seek, money, power, influence ...

Here it is

<--- This cartoon is anti-semitic

<--- This cartoon is not anti-semitic

 

HowdyDoody's picture

<--- It depends on who did the cartoon.

 

thunderchief's picture

Opposites Attract.   Not!

 

A. Boaty's picture

The Ashkenazim, the Khazar branch of Judaism which has its roots in the Caucasus Mountains has no ethnic connection with KSA, a Wahhabist Islam nation state.

quadraspleen's picture

go and do some research into who the first king of KSA was and where he came from..or don't...They aren't Arabs. They're certainly not Bedouin, but yes, they spread Wahhabism, but Wahhabism serves a very useful purpose as well as radicalising lots of young men: it helps demonise a whole group of people..an aim certainly pushed by the more "palatable" of the project's proponents, like the Gatestone Institute, and their ilk. Parallel end games with dealing and double dealing.

By Decpetion Thou Shalt Do War

quadraspleen's picture

Khazars. Same old.

Not all Jews are Khazars. Not all Jews support what Israel has done and still does. Nuance is needed, as with everything

hestroy's picture

Most of the joos fully support pure evil.

quadraspleen's picture

that's a big number. got any evidence for that? Actually researched it? Asked any jews what they actually think? Thought not

Hugo Fitch's picture

Zero Jews are Khazars, Bull Durham. Ever read a book, you effing retard? May I suggest you start with Ivanhoe? Look it up, you illiterate fool. DNA evidence tracing modern Ashkenazi Jews to the region then known as Khazaria: Zero. Historical evidence that the royals of Khazaria converted to Judaism: Zero. Try to confront your Jew-envy, you pathetic little man, before it gives you a tumor.

besnook's picture

they are not middle eastern so where are they from?

sleigher's picture

Are you offended that the secret is becoming more well known?  Or are they paying you to do this?

 

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/381367/why-did-23andme-tell-ashken...

 

explain...

War Machine's picture

"Historical evidence that the royals of Khazaria converted to Judaism: Zero."

Everything else aside - you're simply wrong there.

What's not clear is to what extent the bulk of the population in that briefly powerful empire also converted.

We can be sure some are motivated to overstate it.

And we can be sure some are motivated to deny it entirely.

BobEore's picture

If bombastic attack could substitute for reasoned rebuttal... you'd win this argument handsdown.

But since it can't...

you lose. Even parties antagonistic to the notion of "Khazarian origins" of the Ashkenazi give no objection to the established conversion of the ruling class of Khazaria to the rebbe religion.

Ironically, the whole debate, politicized to the point of losing connection to any real merit... could be immaterial to the question of Ashkenazi roots. Which, as the authors of "When Scotland Was Jewish" argue(in a separate study on New World Sephardic origins)was primarily a result of widespread conversions of the population of Occitane and Italian regions to judaism in the early centuries of the "Common Era." Who later moved north into Germany and the Low Countries, eventually meeting up with the remnants of Khazaria converts in Poland and Rus... inventing yiddish along the way.

Ya coulda been a champ, chump!

veritas semper vinces's picture

The original book has 1500 pages.This is less than half.

gdogus erectus's picture

Damn quadraspleen, you rock. where did you come from. Ok, I haven't posted in a while.

hestroy's picture

LOL!!! Those fuckers are cousins, you fool.

Herodotus's picture

The Ashkenazi have no connection with Hebrews.  The only exception was Edward G. Robinson when he played the role of Dathan, the Hebrew overseer, in The Ten Commandments.