Calls To Imprison "Climate Change Deniers" Grow In The Wake Of Hurricane Irma

Tyler Durden's picture

When retired Georgia Tech professor Judith Curry penned a blog post on her "Climate Etc." website suggesting that it was scientifically irresponsible to tie the intensity of Hurricanes Harvey and Irma directly to climate change, she probably didn't expect that she might trigger 1,000's of progressives to call for her immediate imprisonment.  Unfortunately, for both Curry and society at large, that is exactly what happened. 

Here is part of Curry's post that potentially resulted in this latest 'mass-triggering' event:

It is premature to conclude that human activities–and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming–have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity. That said, human activities may have already caused changes that are not yet detectable due to the small magnitude of the changes or observational limitations, or are not yet confidently modeled (e.g., aerosol effects on regional climate).

As the Washington Times notes, Curry's comments only served to further enrage Al Gore's climate change crusaders who promptly ramped up their calls to imprison anyone with the audacity to present any data and/or question, in any way, climate models which should be accepted as proven fact...even though they're subjective and highly sensitive any number of input variables.

That is the kind of talk that could get policymakers who heed her research hauled before the justice system, if some of those in the climate change movement have their way.


“Climate change denial should be a crime,” declared the Sept. 1 headline in the Outline. Mark Hertsgaard argued in a Sept. 7 article in the Nation, titled “Climate Denialism Is Literally Killing Us,” that “murder is murder” and “we should punish it as such.”


The suggestion that those who run afoul of the climate change consensus, in particular government officials, should face charges comes with temperatures flaring over the link between hurricanes and greenhouse gas emissions.


“In the wake of Harvey, it’s time to treat science denial as gross negligence — and hold those who do the denying accountable,” said the subhead in the Outline article, written by Brian Merchant.


Brad Johnson, executive director of Climate Hawks Vote, posted last week on Twitter a set of “climate disaster response rules,” the third of which was to “put officials who reject science in jail.”



And while we're not sure if imprisonment is the right punishment, it does seem a bit outrageous for a Georgia Tech climate scientist to challenge the opinions of both the Pope and Sir Richard Branson on climate change...who does she think she is? 

Meanwhile, Pope Francis said the two Category 4 storms offer proof of catastrophic climate change, even though they are the first two major hurricanes to make landfall on the U.S. mainland in 12 years.


“You can see the effects of climate change with your own eyes, and scientists tell us clearly the way forward,” said the pontiff, adding that leaders have a “moral responsibility” to take action.


“Man-made climate change is contributing to increasingly strong hurricanes causing unprecedented damage,” Mr. Branson said in a Friday statement. “The whole world should be scrambling to get on top of the climate change issue before it is too late for this generation, let alone the generations to come.”

Of course, while we would never question the opinions of the Pope and/or a Knight, we do find the following chart on U.S. hurricane strikes by decade to be somewhat perplexing.  Why, for example, were U.S. hurricane strikes above average for almost every decade between 1870 and 1950 before declining in the 1950s through 2000?  If hurricane frequency can suddenly be linked directly to climate change in 2017, shouldn't it have produced similarly alarming hurricanes in the 80's, 90's and 2000's?  If we're not mistaken, CO2 output has pretty much consistently risen since man first started building fires...


Of course, maybe the extreme weather events have simply shifted away from the U.S. and global hurricane strikes are the more relevant metric...except not...


Oh well, we probably just don't understand the math...

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There is no physical evidence for the AGW Theory: (Anthropogenic Global Warming), the theory that the Earth is warming due to human caused increases in greenhouse gasses, primarily, carbon dioxide, (CO2).  There are only climate models that purport to prove the theory.  The climate models have many inaccuracies which completely invalidate the models.  Among the inaccuracies are the following:

1. The climate models have no way of accurately estimating the temperature effect due to changes in cloud cover.  Changes in cloud cover have been shown to have much more effect on global temperature than changes in CO2 levels.  

2. It has been proven that past periods of increasing temperature preceded increases in CO2 by as much as 800 years.

3. Water vapor feedback: The AGW theory models assume that the Earth’s temperature goes up 1.1 degree C for each doubling of CO2 just based on the effect of the increases in water vapor which are caused by increases in CO2.  This has never been proven.  The models do not take into consideration the cooling effect of cloud cover which also results from increases in water vapor.  

4. Aerosols:  The AGW models use changes in atmospheric aerosol levels as a fudge factor to make the models agree with actual temperature changes, even though there is no data to support this claim.      

5. The climate models have no way of modeling vertical heat vents.  Vertical heat vents can form when the ocean surface temperature is over 28 degrees C. Heat is transported to the upper atmosphere which cools the earth.   Heat vents transport so much heat that their effect on global average temperatures is more than the increases caused by CO2.  The Pacific Vertical Heat Vent in the western Pacific alone vents enough heat to completely cancel out the effects of CO2 increases.  

6. The climate models have no way of modeling changes in the Sun’s level of radiation.  It has been shown that changes in the Sun’s radiance accounts for at least 50% of the global temperature increase since 1850, the end of the Little Ice Age.  Proponents of the AGW Theory say that the Sun’s total irradiance only varies by 0.1%, so has little effect on global average temperatures.  This is true, however there are large variations in several components of the Suns total irradiance, which have been shown to have large effects on the Earth’s temperature.  The UV wave component of the Sun’s total irradiance can fluctuate by as much as 70% which can change the Earth’s global average temperature by several degrees C.  The Sun’s magnetic field also fluctuates.  The magnetic field shields the Earth from cosmic rays. Cosmic rays can fluctuate by 10%-20%. Increases in cosmic rays have been shown to cause increases in cloud cover.  This has been shown to have a greater effect on global temperatures than changes in CO2.     

7. The Hockey Stick:  The climate models do not take natural, global temperature cycles into effect.  In the late 1990’s the discredited Hockey Stick Theory was developed by Michael Mann which disregarded, and drew a straight line through, all the past temperature cycles except the warming trend from 1970-2000.  A straight line was drawn through all past cycles to 1970 and then showed the increase in temperatures to 2000 to form the hockey stick.  This theory denies the existence of all the Earth’s cycles which are well documented to have a greater effect on global average temperatures than changing CO2. Michael Mann has since been called out for using falsified data to support is “Hockey Stick Theory”.  Mann filed lawsuits against anyone that questioned his data, using money supplied by the climate change lobby.  His lawsuit in British Columbia is going to be thrown out of court because Mann himself will not submit data to support his own lawsuit because it would show that he falsified the data.  

8. The proponents of the AGW theory have stated many times that the cycles like the Eddy Cycle are regional and not global.  In the past 15 years, the Eddy Cycle has been proven to be global by many people around the world.  Among the most important cycles are the following:


a. Milankovitch Cycle: Caused by changes in the eccentricity, axial tilt, and orientation of the Earth’s orbit.    The major components are on a 400,000 year cycle.  Most of the components are on a 110,000 year cycle, which cause the ice ages. On average, the Earth is in an ice age for 100,000 years with a warm, interglacial period of 10,000 years.  The Earth is currently nearing the end of the Holocene Interglacial period.  These cycles cause differences in solar radiation of up to 6.8%.    

b. Eddy cycle:  1000 year cycle:  Has been documented to have changed phases globally 25 times since the last ice age.  It is caused by changes in solar radiation and a combination of the 206 year solar cycle and the Pacific and Atlantic oceanic cycles.  This cycle is responsible for: the Modern Warm Period (1850 - present), Little Ice Age (1300-1850), Medieval Warm Period (900-1300), Dark Ages Cold Period (400 - 900), Roman Warm Period (250 BC-400 AD), etc.  The Medieval and Roman warm periods were warmer than the Modern Warm Period.  Logs from Icelandic fishing boats indicate that the Arctic Ice Edge was much further north during the Medieval Warm Period than today.  Diaries from vineyards in the UK indicate that grapes were grown for winemaking in Central England until the early 1300’s.  This was 500 km further north than where grapes can be grown today.  

The coldest point of the Little Ice Age was the year 1700.  The Earth has been warming at a rate of 1 degree C per century since then.  The warming rate was the same both before and after the Industrial Revolution.    

c. Suess / deVries Solar Cycle:  206 years.  Caused by variations in the number of sun spots which causes fluctuations in the sun’s total radiance.  The Sun has been in hibernation, or a sun spot minimum, since 2009.  The previous minimum was the Dalton Minimum (1790 – 1830).  Dalton minimum caused total crop failures for several years in New England and Upstate New York.   The current minimum should cause a cold period extending to the late 2030’s.  This causes a 1 degree C difference in global average temperatures.  The 20th century had a higher number of sun spots than any century for 10,000 years.   The Dalton minimum occurred during a cold phase of the Eddy Cycle.  The current solar minimum is occurring during a warm phase of the Eddy Cycle, so the temperature variances should not be as extreme as during the Dalton minimum. 

d. Pacific Decadal Oscillation: 60 years.  Caused by the alignment of the Earth with Jupiter and Saturn, the two planets with the highest forces of gravity.  The alignment causes the Earth to be pulled closer to or further from the Sun by a distance of three Sun diameters. Also causes extreme changes in tides causing reversals in warm and cold water masses in the Pacific.   The PDO has been shown to change the Earth’s average temperature by several tenths of a degree C.  The PDO has been in a cold phase since 2000 and has deposited abnormally cold water off the coast of California, causing an extended drought.   The PDO has caused warm periods from 1860-1880, 1910-1940 and 1970-2000.  This cycle was discovered in 1992.  In the early 1970’s when climatologists were predicting the coming of an ice age, they were merely extrapolating the cold phase of the PDO cycle (1940-1970).  Today they are forecasting extreme warming by making the same mistake:  They are extrapolating the warm phase of the PDO cycle.  The Atlantic also has a similar cycle.

e. Schwabe Solar cycle:  Solar activity increases and decreases on an 11 year cycle.  This was discovered in 1755 and has been well documented since.  We are currently in Cycle 24 which started in 2009.  The current cycle is breaking records for low solar activity.  Whenever an 11 year cycle is this low, it is always followed by 2 more abnormally low cycles, which is what happened during the Dalton Minimum.

Other Cooling Indications:

There are many indications that the Earth’s cooling is well underway:

Ocean temperatures are showing a clear cooling trend.  

The Pacific Ocean is cooling and will continue to cool for 20 years.

World glacial ice is growing and has been growing for 10 years, according to NASA satellite measurements.

Antarctica is getting colder at the rate of 0.7 degrees C per decade.  The ice sheet is growing and has grown by 45 billion tons in the past 10 years, according to NASA satellite measurements.

Greenland has cooled 1.29 degrees C from 1958 – 2001.  The warmest recent decade in Greenland was the 1930’s.  The Greenland Ice Sheet has been growing since 1992, according to NASA satellite measurements, and has been growing by 11 billion tons per year.  Some studies that reported shrinking ice in Greenland only measured ice on the south coast when it was being affected by the Gulf Stream.   

Mountain glacial ice stopped retreating in 1998 and has since started growing.  

In 2008, Al Gore predicted that all the Arctic ice would be gone by 2013.



The conclusion is that the Earth was in a warming period from 1970 – 2000 primarily due to a maximum level of sun spots and the warming phase of the PDO, with a relatively minor contribution from increases in CO2.   Since 2009, the Sun has gone into hibernation for the first time since the Dalton Minimum (1790 – 1830).  We are also in a cold phase of the PDO, since 2000.  The 206 year solar cycle and the PDO will be the primary climate factors for the next 20 years which will be a significant cooling trend.  The AGW climate models did not predict this cooling trend because the models to not take any of the climate cycles into consideration.  The AGW proponents are using unsubstantiated aerosol levels as a fudge factor to explain the current cooling trend.  

The Future

We will be in the cool phase of the PDO until around 2030.  We will be in the cool phase of the Suess / deVries Solar Cycle until later in the 2030’s.  By this time, proponents of the AGW Theory will have lost credibility because their theory did not predict the cooling trend.  After the 2030’s the Earth will continue warming as it did during the Medieval Warm Period and the Roman Warm Period.  Temperature should peak on the Eddy Cycle around 2100 – 2200.  And since we are nearing the end of the Holocene Interglacial Warm Period, an ice age can start any time.  


Deathrips's picture

Cuff Me TOO!!!


Fuck these parasites trying to steal national soverignty for safety.


crazybob369's picture

Thanks for the info. I am much more concerned about an ice age, than global warming. Food doesn't grow so well during frigid conditions. Mass starvation would follow. Warmer weather, plenty of food to go around.

logicalman's picture


Here's a thought........

If you are correct, all's well for humanity, barring nuclear/biological war or Yellowstone going off.

If you are wrong, the effect will be the same as nuclear/biological war or Yellowstone going off.

I do see that the whole thing has become a tool of control and exploitation of humanity, but whether or not it is anthropogenic, I think preparing for something that doesn't happen is better than not preparing for something that does.

Felix da Kat's picture

There were at least a dozen predicted paths for hurricane Irma. None of them agreed; all of them were wrong. And yet you want me to believe you know what the earth's climate is going to be like in 25 or 50 or 100 years from now ? There is no fricking way I'll believe your junk science. I cannot source it, but my understanding is that there were around 7500 Polar bears in the artic throughout most of the 1950's and 60's. And that now there are around 25,000 Polar bears there. Yes, they are threatened, but that is due to a naturally decreasing habitat. Liberals like to use them in their propaganda because of the visceral impact. They're very devious in their manipulative tactics. Their M.O. is to be as creative as possible in portraying their false narrative so that the easily led can be manipulated into taking a given action. (they do the same thing with BLM, AntiFa, etc...).

any_mouse's picture

The big ball in the sky is reaching higher latitudes each year at Summer Solstice.

This means the Tropic of Cancer is moving North.

The Arctic Circle is moving North, decreasing the radius and the surface area of the Arctic environment.

Nothing to do with Carbon or Humans.

Anteater's picture

And the magnetic poles are now in Canada and Australia. 

What if...instead of the magnetic poles inverting, like they

claim happened many times in the past, what if the iron core

remains stationary, as it must if you know electro-physics, and

instead, the whole mantle has been flipping over, which is the

only logical scientific explanation for so-called fossil record.

Good news, it's flipping slowly, but bad news, it's speeding up.

Really bad news, USA will disintegrate faster than the poles.


CRM114's picture

Jesus H Christ, I'm surprised you can even spell science.

Ease off on the meds.

logicalman's picture

I think upping the meds may be more appropriate.

I wonder if Felix is of the geocentric persuasion.


DEMIZEN's picture

Mark Hertsgaard has a B.A. in BS. who is that piece of ape's turd anyway? 

dietrolldietroll's picture

I'm all for legal action. Let the greenies be exposed and embarrassed in the court of law.

Oldwood's picture

You missed the memo.

Prosecution is FOR presenting FACT as evidence. Modern progressive"Justice" is not defined by facts but by feelings and perceived intent. They want to prosecute deniers because they don't CARE enough. Not caring is the crime and even if the facts of climate change were proven without doubt, we "deniers" would still be guilty because our denial was perceived as indifference or HATE.


Gold N Glocks's picture

Fuck these retarded assholes.  They need to be permanently removed from the gene pool.

Anteater's picture

It's interesting for their effort to always appear virginal and blameless,

(the Soviet Jew Khazars even got Congress to make it a $250,000

CRIME to critize their 'Homeland' , and when did we ever refer to America

as a Homeland, before 9/11 ... answer, never), ...and NOT ONE of them

has ever gone to prison for their massive financial crimes against US,

(except Bernie, he self-crucified),'s interesting how these f'g Khazars

have TOTALLY ratcheted up media blamespace, always virtue-signaling

'It's not us, not the Jews!", while pitting Americans against Americans

from Barrow to Tierra del Fuego. We need to glass Tel Aviv, round up

all the dual-Israelis within Mil.Gov, put a bounty on them if we have to,

padlock all the synagogues, and disentangle Treasury from Wall Street,

until we get some JHC Peace and Quiet! Isn't that always their pretext?!

THE PROOF? There was no global warming until Israel was created, and

every year since, death, destruction and misery has relentlessly increased!


Truthseeker20's picture

Geo engineering is real. Just ask the cia. They have admitted to it.

logicalman's picture

So humans aren't changing the climate, but the CIA are????

Make your fucking mind up.

Maybe you are suggesting that CIA members aren't human?

In that case, you may be onto something.


rlm1966's picture

If we are going to start locking up climate deniers based on very questionable science, then we damn sure need to lock up gender deniers as the science behind genders has been proven far more.  

FUBO's picture

If i had to choose between Global Climate Change and Radical Left Wing Politics, Id choose Climate Change every time.

mayhem_korner's picture

Why do you think they are separate and distinct?

any_mouse's picture

I'm thinking the reasoning is that If and Only If Climate Change is real, he would rather deal with that, than deal with the real threat of Climate Change Bolsheviks.

Anteater's picture

Global Climate Change is metastasized and enabled by the

MIL.GOV.EDU Establishment, in sychophancy to Deep State

Leftist Liberal Agenda is also controlled-dissent by the same

MIL.GOV.EDU Establishment, in sychophancy to Deep State

Nothing like this ever occurred until Israel was abominated

from the bowels of two Zionist WWs, 100,000,000 murdered!

You think that Abomination will be shut down by Keyboard

Patriots? Most of the KPs are on the Deep State psyop gig.

CRM114's picture

If I had to choose between putting my head in a woodchipper and radical left wing politics, I would choose....


..putting radical left wing politicians' heads in a woodchipper.


Hey, what's wrong with compromise? ;)

mayhem_korner's picture

Harvey and Irma aren't even an anomaly.  The 3 storms in '05 - Katrina, Rita, Wilma - that were stronger.

There are strong hurricanes every 10-14 years (sunspot cycle) going back to Janet in '59. 

Nothing to see here.  Just the lunatic fringe echo chamber. 

blind_understanding's picture

Today, denial of official government history of WW2 (holocaust denial) is a conspiracy theory, and will get you 5 years in prison in many Euro countries. For example: Ernst Zündel and David Irving. And they would add climate denial to the list.

In Olden days, denial of official church cosmology got Galileo busted for Heresy, and sent to prison.

"Conspiracy theory" is a synonym for "heresy": to challenge what some authority figure decrees is truth. In olden days the was called "heresy" and you were an "heretic", and nowadays it is called "conspiracy theory" and you are a "conspiracy theorist".



CRM114's picture

The denial, in itself, didn't get Galileo charged. Nor was he accused of heresy. The simple fact was that, whilst he had a theory, he couldn't prove it (Tycho Brahe's data some years later proved it). The situation was, however, that the Church didn't need to prove their version either.

David Irving is a pretty sh!t example too. 


There is a strong argument against the persecution of climate change denial - yours isn't it.

blind_understanding's picture

Wishful thinking1 Get your facts straight!

[[On June 22, 1633, the Church handed down the following order: “We pronounce, judge, and declare, that you, the said Galileo… have rendered yourself vehemently suspected by this Holy Office of heresy, that is, of having believed and held the doctrine (which is false and contrary to the Holy and Divine Scriptures) that the sun is the center of the world, and that it does not move from east to west, and that the earth does move, and is not the center of the world.” 

“We order that by a public edict the book of Dialogues of Galileo Galilei be prohibited, and We condemn thee to the prison of this Holy Office during Our will and pleasure; and as a salutary penance We enjoin on thee that for the space of three years thou shalt recite once a week the Seven Penitential Psalms.”]]

10mm's picture

Pussy Cancer. Fuck her.

me123me's picture

Ok first prove emmisions cause the climate to change and then we can talk. 

Gobble D. Goop's picture

Al Gore talking to his long dead ma:

Mom, I don't know what else to do!  I have been selling, selling, selling.  They're just not buying it. <small tears> Please give me some kind of sign!

Two weeks later big ugly hurricanes pop up in the Atlantic.

Al Gore talking his long dead ma:

Thanks, ma.  I knew you could do it. Maybe they'll believe me now.

Renov8's picture

Climate change is a figment of the corporate crusaders looking to capitalize off of a new market where no one has gone before...Al Gore and Goldman Sachs are at the helm of this derelict ship.  All made up to buy and sell carbon a nutshell.



pynky01's picture

Poopo Francis said... God told him to say this ... you heathens and pagans need to listen up .. whatever the poopo says is dogma or dogpa I cant keep them straight.....afterall it comes straight from God... and to back this up poopo has it straight from the pedophile child porn stars that things are getting hotter... so you deniers are going straight to hell and if you are part of their church...that means excommunication and eternity in some place called hell...repent now you heathes, pagans and deniers...OR ELSE...

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NumberNone's picture

Wake me when they can solve the issue of a single volcano erasing all progress in the cause of global warming.  Why does mother earth hate...mother earth?  

Win your argument in the marketplace of ideas or shut the fuck up.  

Theta_Burn's picture

Think this stupidity is bad now, Imagine if Jose makes a Philly/New York landfall..

Ajax-1's picture

Those that advocate the legitimacy of the Climate Change theory are committing economic terrorism on their fellow human beings.  As a result, they should be imprisoned because terrorism is a crime against humanity.

malek's picture

And the fun part is most ZH'ers would find that outrageous -
right up to the next articles, to which they basically demand imprisonment for 9/11-wired-demolition deniers or man-made-global-warming deniers or tulipcoin-validity deniers or faked-moon-landing deniers...

Drop-Hammer's picture

Typical jew Bolshevik/Marxist/Communist blather.  Why do not the Christ-killers just call us 'wreckers' and 'terrorists' and call for our arrests and executions.  The kikes are pushing all of this to dangerous limits.  A new Final Solution is in order for the money-changers.

Small Government Is Better's picture

As usual, the leftist socialists want to punish those who tell the truth.

Is it not time for the rest of us to get off our couches and punish the leftist socialists?

I have tolerated all the BS from the leftist socialists that I will.  I am ready to round them up, and send them off to North Korea.

That will put these leftist socialist troublemakers in a place with a government like that they want to impose on the rest of us.

I would ask North Korea to keep these troublemakers for the rest of their lives.

The USA Federal Gov't should send their SS benefits to North Korea to compensate North Korea for doing a great favor for the USA.

This would be a wonderful outcome.  Let them learn what privileges they had by losing them.  All of them.  That would be justice.

buzzsaw99's picture

pretty sure al gore's bean farts are having some kind of effect on the weather.

Stormtrooper's picture

We climate change deniers are locked and loaded and waiting for you to come and take us.  But, once you let the Genie out of the bottle, we will play bloody and very unfair.  Or, are you expecting someone else to come and get us?  Not very dedicated in your opinions are you, if you won't put yourself on the line.

pipes's picture

^^^EXACTLY what I was thinking...come and get me.

And if it should actually come down to law, whatever mindless shit-heel enforcement authority that comes for me, gets ventilated.

TheEndIsNear's picture

The Thought Police (Thinkpol) are right on schedule

VWAndy's picture

 Feral Im tellin ya. They done gone totaly flippin feral.

buzzsaw99's picture

what's worse, they can't lose.  idiocracy in action.

VWAndy's picture

 They got the fiat magic in their pocket. Tough to beat cubic dollars.

buzzsaw99's picture

these days stupid people are more prolific breeders.  it's as simple as that.

VWAndy's picture

 They are funded better thats all.

clagr's picture

It would be great to get a real trial so that actual factual data (not models) could be made public.