Calls To Imprison "Climate Change Deniers" Grow In The Wake Of Hurricane Irma

Tyler Durden's picture

When retired Georgia Tech professor Judith Curry penned a blog post on her "Climate Etc." website suggesting that it was scientifically irresponsible to tie the intensity of Hurricanes Harvey and Irma directly to climate change, she probably didn't expect that she might trigger 1,000's of progressives to call for her immediate imprisonment.  Unfortunately, for both Curry and society at large, that is exactly what happened. 

Here is part of Curry's post that potentially resulted in this latest 'mass-triggering' event:

It is premature to conclude that human activities–and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming–have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity. That said, human activities may have already caused changes that are not yet detectable due to the small magnitude of the changes or observational limitations, or are not yet confidently modeled (e.g., aerosol effects on regional climate).

As the Washington Times notes, Curry's comments only served to further enrage Al Gore's climate change crusaders who promptly ramped up their calls to imprison anyone with the audacity to present any data and/or question, in any way, climate models which should be accepted as proven fact...even though they're subjective and highly sensitive any number of input variables.

That is the kind of talk that could get policymakers who heed her research hauled before the justice system, if some of those in the climate change movement have their way.

 

“Climate change denial should be a crime,” declared the Sept. 1 headline in the Outline. Mark Hertsgaard argued in a Sept. 7 article in the Nation, titled “Climate Denialism Is Literally Killing Us,” that “murder is murder” and “we should punish it as such.”

 

The suggestion that those who run afoul of the climate change consensus, in particular government officials, should face charges comes with temperatures flaring over the link between hurricanes and greenhouse gas emissions.

 

“In the wake of Harvey, it’s time to treat science denial as gross negligence — and hold those who do the denying accountable,” said the subhead in the Outline article, written by Brian Merchant.

 

Brad Johnson, executive director of Climate Hawks Vote, posted last week on Twitter a set of “climate disaster response rules,” the third of which was to “put officials who reject science in jail.”

PB

 

And while we're not sure if imprisonment is the right punishment, it does seem a bit outrageous for a Georgia Tech climate scientist to challenge the opinions of both the Pope and Sir Richard Branson on climate change...who does she think she is? 

Meanwhile, Pope Francis said the two Category 4 storms offer proof of catastrophic climate change, even though they are the first two major hurricanes to make landfall on the U.S. mainland in 12 years.

 

“You can see the effects of climate change with your own eyes, and scientists tell us clearly the way forward,” said the pontiff, adding that leaders have a “moral responsibility” to take action.

 

“Man-made climate change is contributing to increasingly strong hurricanes causing unprecedented damage,” Mr. Branson said in a Friday statement. “The whole world should be scrambling to get on top of the climate change issue before it is too late for this generation, let alone the generations to come.”

Of course, while we would never question the opinions of the Pope and/or a Knight, we do find the following chart on U.S. hurricane strikes by decade to be somewhat perplexing.  Why, for example, were U.S. hurricane strikes above average for almost every decade between 1870 and 1950 before declining in the 1950s through 2000?  If hurricane frequency can suddenly be linked directly to climate change in 2017, shouldn't it have produced similarly alarming hurricanes in the 80's, 90's and 2000's?  If we're not mistaken, CO2 output has pretty much consistently risen since man first started building fires...

Hurricanes

Of course, maybe the extreme weather events have simply shifted away from the U.S. and global hurricane strikes are the more relevant metric...except not...

Globa;

Oh well, we probably just don't understand the math...

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khakuda's picture

We've actually had fewer cat 3,4,5 hurricanes in Florida in the past 66 years than we did from 1900 - 1950.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_hurricanes

Just like investing these days, facts don't matter.

Posa's picture

Correct. Just about all the data reiterate that fact... oc course with a much larger population and widespread coastal development (much of it downright reckless) the damage from storms is much greater.

khakuda's picture

Yes, completely reckless.  How it was permitted I'll never know.  My parents lived on one of the barrier islands in Florida for awhile and at high tide the ocean was about 25 feet from the building when there wasn't a storm.  When there was, well, they were on the 8th floor, but if you were on the first floor you needed a scuba tank to enjoy your apartment, as they would be just about completely submerged.

You didn't need to be an engineer to figure it out.  The dumbest of the dumb would see it and immediately know that it made no sense for a building to be that close to the ocean.  And that wasn't the worst of it.  There was/is a nuclear power plant on the same barrier island a few miles down the street.

With all that genius going on, I'm surprised the sign at the pool there didn't read, "Eat immediately before swimming and feel free to pee in the pool while you're at it you dumb f***s"

Posa's picture

The Feds supply flood insurance to rebuild... it's a win win for the pols, builders, banks, hiomeowners... everyone except tax payers... I'm not an anti-governmnet Libertarian... but Folld Insurance- Land Useage is a total waste of money and resources... Don't build on the ocean edge or floodplains unless the infrastructure is there  and maintained ... that I support...

Obsidian Samctum's picture

The thought police will be formed any day now. I cant believe there are people pulling for this

Hurricane happens every year for fuk sake.

wisebastard's picture

this is just more proof that we are living in the movie idiocracy. people want to send someone to prison for having an opinion that is different than what they are told to think and dont say a god damn word about the systems failure to actually solve the problem.  i have looked into it and it is no more difficult to solve than an oral cadida yeast infection. give me a fucking break!!!...grow the fuck up an act like adults....i mean for christ sakes dont you see the police state being built right in front of your face. the constitution warned you about tyranny so the building of a police state should be a pretty clear indication that they want it and might turn it against you....

wisebastard's picture

The DNC was founded by the KKK. They will smile to your face and stab you in the back

Golden Showers's picture

You're a fucking idiot. Show me. It was most probably the reverse.

Ought to change your name to sophomore: "wise fool." If we could change names here. But we can't.

Time to up your game.

Which iteration of the KKK are you talking about? Compare and Contrast Albert Pike's influence. Back in the olden days.

 

1stepcloser's picture

What did the Neanderthal say to the other Neanderthal?  

One day, Climate Change will melt this mile deep ice sheet in NY city.  You'll see!

mijev's picture

Interesting fact that I didn't know before is that although the antarctic ice sheets started forming 32M years ago, the arctic ice sheets only formed ~2.4M years ago which was the start of the current ice age/epoch. So much for a "global" climate. For the first 20M+ years of its life there was no ice on Mt Everest and for 80% of the earth's history there hs been no ice anywhere on the planet.

Laughing.Man's picture

I'm of the opinion that there isn't enough data to call it either way.  But calls for immediate imprisonment of having an opposing opinion is down right dangerous.

Posa's picture

Sorry. There's plenty of data that demonstrates there is no increase in frequency or intensity of hurricanes, starting with the IPCC itself. This is affirmed in In AR5 , the WG-1 and SERX report ..

Posa's picture

Sorry. There's plenty of data that demonstrates there is no increase in frequency or intensity of hurricanes, starting with the IPCC itself. This is affirmed in In AR5 , the WG-1 and SERX report ..

 

From WG-1

 

“Current datasets indicate no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century … No robust trends in annual numbers of tropical storms, hurricanes and major hurricanes counts have been identified over the past 100 years in the North Atlantic basin.”

 

“In summary, confidence in large scale changes in the intensity of extreme extra-tropical cyclones since 1900 is low.”

“In summary, there continues to be a lack of evidence and thus low confidence regarding the sign of trend in the magnitude and/or frequency of floods on a global scale.”
 
    “In summary, there is low confidence in observed trends in small-scale severe weather phenomena such as hail and thunderstorms because of historical data inhomogeneities and inadequacies in monitoring systems.”

Further commentary from Climate and Energy expert Roger Pielke:

https://theclimatefix.wordpress.com/2017/06/15/pielke-on-climate-3/

Bárðarbunga's picture

And what do we do with the Flat Earthers? Imprison them because they think differently? Climate change - Flat Earth - I don't give a shit one way or another, but if you start putting people in jail because they express an opinion (either scientific or otherwise) that is contrary to what THEY say is right, we are all pretty fucked.

Isn't it our right and responsibility to question things? To make sense of things, we have to test ideas. But now all that is behind us. If you don't conform, you don't belong. What do THEY do with people that don't belong? The last thing they are going to do anymore is look the other way. Now we go off to the gulag I guess.

exartizo's picture

“Climate change denial should be a crime,” declared the Sept. 1 headline in the Outline. Mark Hertsgaard argued in a Sept. 7 article in the Nation, titled “Climate Denialism Is Literally Killing Us,” that “murder is murder” and “we should punish it as such.”

“In the wake of Harvey, it’s time to treat science denial as gross negligence — and hold those who do the denying accountable,” said the subhead in the Outline article, written by Brian Merchant.

Brad Johnson, executive director of Climate Hawks Vote, posted last week on Twitter a set of “climate disaster response rules,” the third of which was to “put officials who reject science in jail.”

...the only sane way to describe those quotes is "Luddite Ludicrous Lugubrious Lunacy".

Yeah.

Alliteration intended.

Usura's picture

“Multiculturalism Is Literally Killing Us,” that “murder is murder” and “we should punish it as such.”

hanekhw's picture

Climate Chauvanism

 (sh??v?-n?z??m)n.

1. Militant devotion to and glorification of ecology; fanatical environmentalism.

2. Prejudiced belief in the superiority of one's own opinions, group, or kind

Scornd's picture

lol. its not FAIR! they named two out of three canes after MEN!

jmack's picture

I cannot speak to man made global warming.  But I can guarantee that man made global facism is prominent, and increasing. The 2030's look to be shaping up like the 1930"s, with all that implies. Prepare accordingly.

Scornd's picture

wisdom. rare commodity in this comment section

e_goldstein's picture

Sorry. Can't do it.

Sessions needs the cells for all the pot smokers he is going to arrest.

Posa's picture

Once the Climate Hysterics and Green Hucksters start telling people they're going to impose Carbon Taxes to discourage power and fuel useage, they're the ones who will be summarily strung up. Even the jackass Europeans have had it with wind and solar energy swindles that are bleeding them dry.

Usura's picture

Jail?  Don't these progressive morons realize that the proper punishment for heresey is burning at the stake?

 

Well they better watch out, because that might be exactly the fate these assholes suffer when the Alt-Right comes to power.  Gas chambers are far too inefficient for mass executions.

FlaRPh's picture

Took the words right out of my mouth. 

GTKRWN  

hoytmonger's picture

“In the wake of Harvey, it’s time to treat science denial as gross negligence — and hold those who do the denying accountable,”

Okay, then someone born with a Y chromosome isn't a girl? And those that tell me he is should be punished?

King of Ruperts Land's picture

The account of Elijah in first Kings seems to provide guidance here.

Spoiler: Elijah, the last true profit of the Lord has the 450 profits of Baal (global warmists) taken down to a brook and slain.

jmack's picture

    do you mean prophet?  you do realize that you can quickly spell check any word with your favorite search engine, right? 

CanadaGoose's picture

The Inquisition of the Middle Ages makes a come-back!  The control freaks hate free thinkers!  I think the people being tortured back then were also called "deniers".  Global warming has become a religion.  No longer science .... if it ever was!

Drop out's picture

The truth is, all the lies are based on facts that are based on lies. Prove me wrong and I stand the victor. Whatever that means.

MasterPo's picture

If one wishes to understand "Global Warming", one only needs to follow the money to see who benefits.

The entire thing is a scam designed to separate you (the world's population) from your wallet by adding (and pocketing) a carbon  (consumption) tax on everything that is mined, manufactured, grown, consumed or thought about. To accomplish this global heist, a mountain of manufactured and purposely altered BS is being sold as science by such scientific luminaries as "The Science Guy" and most recently, the Pope. It simply boggles the mind.

The real "tell", however, is when the best argument they have left manifests as a threat to imprison any with opposing views. Intellectual bankruptcy in its purest and most dangerous form and the fallback position of those who have completely run out of ideas - "Do what I say, or I'll beat the crap out of you". 

I wonder if they understand that they have become "Natzis" - a title they are most anxious pin on others... 

Xena fobe's picture

It also helps them to sell Agenda 21.  Cars and single family homes are evil.  We must start eating bugs inatead of cows, drink recycled pee.

Golden Showers's picture

Wow. You guys are pissed.

It was the parenthetical aerosol bit that got her nipped.

This is some real Salem Witch shit.

 

Golden Showers's picture

Well, as far as it goes, I don't really think the Haulocaust happened like it is said. I am pretty sure that Ike killed a lot of Germans. And the US is run by Zionist assholes.

But then, that's common knowledge. I didn't do it.

pparalegal's picture

So after 12 years of nothing since AlGore said dead polar bears are washing up on Mexican beaches we have an active year. One out of, oh, 5,000 or 10,000 or so. I am waiting for the satellite photo Power Point makers (who all mis predicted the path!) "consensus of scientists" to send me my two minutes hate rally time and place invitation. 

sniffybigtoe's picture

2005: Climate Change is going to make hurricanes stronger and more frequent!

2006:

2007:

2008:

2009:

2010:

2011:

2012:

2013:

2014:

2015:

2016:

2017: Told you so!

Max Victor's picture

 

What about weather weaponisation?

 

CO2 is very good for trees -  go on - be a denier.

 

And the fact the sun is the driving force for weather & climate is irrelivant -  its just CO2 causing the pain.

 

Has anybody got any Climate change to solve the Global WAR MING?

Zero-Hegemon's picture

I can't think of any greater hubris in this day and age than thinking that we have the ability to steer the climate towards our favor.

dogismycopilot's picture

How about throwing all plastic/petrochemicals executives in prison for polluting the earth with plastic?

oil and gas companies are ramping up petrochemical business (Plastics) to make up for lost money on the price of crude.

As anyone knows, the oceans are full of plastic shit.

Let's start there with a problem we know.

Fucking asshole climate changers and their dogma.

El Hosel's picture

If you build it in Florida they ( The Storms ) will come .... Not that complicated.

samsara's picture

The 16 largest ocean freighters put more carbon in the atmosphere than ALL the cars combined.

I don't see them protest Globalism.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-crea...

Max Victor's picture

 

CO2 is an essential plant nutrient - we need more CO2 not less.

OKUSA's picture

At some point TPTB will be coming for us , one way or another.

Aubiekong's picture

To those blinded by the religion of now "climate change" facts dont matter.  It has been proven time and time again the data that supports climate warming, climate cooling, climate change is often just made up to conclude what the "researchers" want it to be.  Global climate change is a code word for one world government with a very small rulling elite class and the vast majority of man just cattle to be bred, fattened, and slaughtered...

ICValue's picture

how in this time can the blind lead the blind?

Bammers's picture

It is worse than in Canada. Good luck.

Sizzurp's picture

The book burners and thought police on the left show their true Marxofacist colors once again.