Calls To Imprison "Climate Change Deniers" Grow In The Wake Of Hurricane Irma

Tyler Durden's picture

When retired Georgia Tech professor Judith Curry penned a blog post on her "Climate Etc." website suggesting that it was scientifically irresponsible to tie the intensity of Hurricanes Harvey and Irma directly to climate change, she probably didn't expect that she might trigger 1,000's of progressives to call for her immediate imprisonment.  Unfortunately, for both Curry and society at large, that is exactly what happened. 

Here is part of Curry's post that potentially resulted in this latest 'mass-triggering' event:

It is premature to conclude that human activities–and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming–have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity. That said, human activities may have already caused changes that are not yet detectable due to the small magnitude of the changes or observational limitations, or are not yet confidently modeled (e.g., aerosol effects on regional climate).

As the Washington Times notes, Curry's comments only served to further enrage Al Gore's climate change crusaders who promptly ramped up their calls to imprison anyone with the audacity to present any data and/or question, in any way, climate models which should be accepted as proven fact...even though they're subjective and highly sensitive any number of input variables.

That is the kind of talk that could get policymakers who heed her research hauled before the justice system, if some of those in the climate change movement have their way.

 

“Climate change denial should be a crime,” declared the Sept. 1 headline in the Outline. Mark Hertsgaard argued in a Sept. 7 article in the Nation, titled “Climate Denialism Is Literally Killing Us,” that “murder is murder” and “we should punish it as such.”

 

The suggestion that those who run afoul of the climate change consensus, in particular government officials, should face charges comes with temperatures flaring over the link between hurricanes and greenhouse gas emissions.

 

“In the wake of Harvey, it’s time to treat science denial as gross negligence — and hold those who do the denying accountable,” said the subhead in the Outline article, written by Brian Merchant.

 

Brad Johnson, executive director of Climate Hawks Vote, posted last week on Twitter a set of “climate disaster response rules,” the third of which was to “put officials who reject science in jail.”

PB

 

And while we're not sure if imprisonment is the right punishment, it does seem a bit outrageous for a Georgia Tech climate scientist to challenge the opinions of both the Pope and Sir Richard Branson on climate change...who does she think she is? 

Meanwhile, Pope Francis said the two Category 4 storms offer proof of catastrophic climate change, even though they are the first two major hurricanes to make landfall on the U.S. mainland in 12 years.

 

“You can see the effects of climate change with your own eyes, and scientists tell us clearly the way forward,” said the pontiff, adding that leaders have a “moral responsibility” to take action.

 

“Man-made climate change is contributing to increasingly strong hurricanes causing unprecedented damage,” Mr. Branson said in a Friday statement. “The whole world should be scrambling to get on top of the climate change issue before it is too late for this generation, let alone the generations to come.”

Of course, while we would never question the opinions of the Pope and/or a Knight, we do find the following chart on U.S. hurricane strikes by decade to be somewhat perplexing.  Why, for example, were U.S. hurricane strikes above average for almost every decade between 1870 and 1950 before declining in the 1950s through 2000?  If hurricane frequency can suddenly be linked directly to climate change in 2017, shouldn't it have produced similarly alarming hurricanes in the 80's, 90's and 2000's?  If we're not mistaken, CO2 output has pretty much consistently risen since man first started building fires...

Hurricanes

Of course, maybe the extreme weather events have simply shifted away from the U.S. and global hurricane strikes are the more relevant metric...except not...

Globa;

Oh well, we probably just don't understand the math...

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Kina's picture

The new political 'clinmate' of the left has become simply...

  • it is a crime to disagree with our opinion
RhoneGSM's picture

Spanish Inquisition style trials would be far more effective than prison. Heck you are already have the Pope lined up,plus TV. Think of the ad revenue!

Renov8's picture

The climate change fake, paid climate protesters....the whole thing is a farce....as fake as the silicone in thier lips and ass.  Pathetic excuse for a cause that simply has no cause...losers, in the truest sense of the word.  Zombie, no nothings, who don't think for themselves, but let others do the heavy lifting for them...not to mention the drugs these dolts are on...enough to knock out an elephant.

Last of the Middle Class's picture

Climate change and science have nothing to do with each other. They parted ways a long long time ago.

jughead's picture

Ah, reminds me of the good ole days, in a past life, when they burned me at the stake for saying the world might not be flat.  Good times. 

johnjkiii's picture

Yes children, the climate changes all of the time. Irma was the worst storm to hit the Keys since 1921 and Tampa since 1935. What is now West Sussex in England was a tropic 4000 years ago. Visit the Taunton, England museum to see the relics. We just had a large solar flare reported by NASA yesterday, who "caused" that? Certainly not man or CO2. In the 1960s the science world was predicting a dire future for the earth from the coming Ice Age. Those who believe Al Gore are proof, to paraphrase PT Barnum, that you will never lose a dollar underestimating the brains of the public. Meanwhile these hounds of doom will scream & whinge forever about their quasi religion.  

haruspicio's picture

If climate change scientists are correct and we do not heed the warning then the result will be a total disaster for the human race. Exactly how confident are you bozos in your own belief that you are 100% correct that the scientists are wrong. People whp do m=not admit the possibility that they may be worng are the real idiots in this conversation.

If the climate change scientists are wrong, what does everybody lose? Well they have to drive a more fuel efficient car, oil companies make less profits and we lose a smidgen of GDP growth, that the ordinary person sees nothing of, as it all goes into the pockets of the obscenely wealthy.

If I were Blaise Pascal I know which way I would leap.

 

What disturbs me more are the crude attempts to curb free speech which are so common now......niggers...there I said it.

 

 

Bemused Observer's picture

To me, this isn't about 'climate change' at all...it's about who gets to define and control the discussion. Ideally, it should not be controlled at all, but what I see is a deliberate attempt by the self-proclaimed 'experts' on any topic to completely control the narratives on whatever topic they are discussing.

THIS is the danger, this notion that there ARE 'experts' who should never be questioned. Whether it's global warming, vaccinations, nuclear weapons, whatever...

QUESTION THEM ALL! Frequently, sarcastically, irreverently, deplorably, ignorantly, however the fuck you WANT, but QUESTION THEM!

Brazillionaire's picture

No. Poor people the world over remain in poverty and DIE prematurely because they cannot afford energy.
I am not a denier. I am not a skeptic. I call bullshit on the whole ball of wax. Climate "science" gives science a bad name. It's a fraud perpetrated by propagandist.

OutaTime43's picture

We don't jail people for just being ignorant in this country. 

OutaTime43's picture

Something I always find fascinating about this argument.  Deniers always use the argument that there has always been climate change on this planet.   

They're right. Before humans, we've gone from snowball earth where the entire planet was covered in snow and ice (635 million years ago) to extreme warming called the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (56 million years ago).  There are natural causes of climate change (volcanism, sun variations, loss or gain of the biome, etc.) but they usually (with the exception of major volcanic events) take thousands of years to develop. 

The industrial age has caused a significant increase in CO2 and Temperatures far faster than any of these natural factors could remotely achieve. This has been proven via ice core samples that has a history of CO2 going back 10,000 years. So , we have a recent history and the curve is unmistakable. 

So, YES, we do have natural factors involved in climate change, however the recent change is 98% or more caused by man's carbon release into the atmosphere. 

These are facts. We can try to turn scientific facts into some political argument, but thats not where facts belong. 

Pumpkin's picture

How can anyone deny climate change???  It's been going on for 4 billions years!

Bemused Observer's picture

They are calling for the imprisonment of people who disagree with them. What they believe, or whether it is even true or not, is irrelevant in the face of this fact...

 

I don't care WHAT the issue is, these morons are cultists. They are also anti-science, as true science is NEVER so sure of itself that it shuts down all opposition. Only CULTISTS do that...NEVER scientists.

 

Cultists are faith-based, facts don't matter. We need to start using terms like 'faith-based', cult, magical-thinkers, dogma, etc, to differentiate this nonsense from true science. A truly scientific discussion would have BOTH sides repesented and discussed, so clearly this is no scientific discussion. 

This is theology, not science. And what they're doing is nothing more than witch-burning with a modern technological flair. Call them out, wherever they post, wherever they try to assemble their mobs. Forget about trying to change their minds, remember, this is faith-based thinking, it won't budge regardless of facts, but DO let them know that YOU know they're full of shit.

And always make it clear to them and their followers that you support their right to speak, and would never consider punishing them for being wrong.

silverer's picture

Climate change people want this, and no less:

72 degrees F constant temperature in the temperate zones year round. Rains only Mondays and Tuesdays.
Massively thick ice sheets and glaciers that stay the same forever.
85 degrees F constant temperature at the equators.
No more hurricanes, cyclones, or tornadoes.

Anything less you get jail time. And any level of tax or fines is permissible to get there.

RKae's picture

Ever seen the old Bruce Dern movie "Silent Running"? It takes place in the future, and at one point he tells us, "Everywhere you go on Earth it's 72 degrees."

It's a tree-hugger sci-fi movie, but generally watchable.