Ryan Bundy's Opening Statement: "This Is Not What America Is Supposed To Be..."

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Authored by Tim Brown via FreedomOutpost.com,

Sometimes, in the process of covering so many things and in the attempt to provide as much information and commentary as possible, we simply are not able to provide all that we wish to do so to the public.

However, that does not mean other stories and commentary are not important.  In fact, many things coming out of alternatives media today are vitally important for those coming off the government-controlled media.

One of those items that didn't hit the mainstream media, and sadly didn't hit much of the alternative media, was the opening statement of Cliven Bundy's son, Ryan, as the trial of the century began nearly two weeks ago.

In light of that, I've been meaning to post his opening statement because it is certainly on that Americans should familiarize themselves with and quite possibly, should a fair history book be written, may go down in a Patrick Henry-esque fashion.

So, without further ado, here's Ryan Bundy's opening statement (H/T Gary Hunt) that was delivered to the jury in the Bundy Ranch trials on November 15, 2017.  Read and remember.

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Thanks to the jurors for being here. I told you a little about myself at voir dire, but I’d like to introduce myself a little more, and tell you about my heritage and how that affects my case. (Projects a picture of his family - AND leaves it up throughout his statement!)

[Note: the picture shown above.]

This is my ID! Not my driver’s license. This is who I am, a man with a family and I’ll do whatever it takes to provide for them. I want you to picture in your minds…you’re out on the land… I’ll take you to our ranch, you can see all the beauty of the land, the fresh air, sunsets and sunrises, the brush, you’re on a horse in front of the cattle - place yourself there - feel the freedom - out of the congestion of the cars - that’s how I was raised, playing in the river, we were called river-rats and that is where my life began and I hope ends.

My family has been on that land 141 years, my pioneer ancestors settled there in 1877 - there was nothing there. They carved out a living… they brought a horse and wagon and some provisions… this case, the government mentioned is “not about rights”, but it is - those rights do mean something - rights are created through beneficial use. When my ancestors arrived, undoubtedly the horse would need a drink, so they led him to the water and that is beneficial use. The horse and perhaps a cow that had been led behind the wagon need to eat some brush in the hills, that is beneficial use. That established rights. The water rights are real! So real, the State of Nevada has a water rights registry including livestock watering rights. A law was created to protect those rights. The water rights that my father owns were first registered in 1891 by the State of Nevada - the State of Nevada is important, a sovereign state, its own unit, which entered the union in 1864. It entered equal to the original states, it is its own entity and state laws are important.

My family and I are charged with some grievous things and they are not true and evidence will show they are not; force, manipulation, extortion, violent—my family is not a violent family and I am not a violent man. For 20+ years we turned to local law enforcement. Rights are real property. The fact is that we create government to protect rights.

To have rights you must claim, use and defend… man only has rights he is willing to claim, use and defend. There is a difference between rights and privileges. Rights you own. Privilege is afforded. Like renting or owning a house. Government asserts there are no rights, only privileges and unless we pay, we can’t be there. The State of Nevada says differently. These are my father’s rights. Everything we have comes from the land. That is wealth, not the dollar bill. The things we use all come from the land. Who controls the land, controls the wealth.

We create government to preserve and serve us. These are some of the beliefs of my family. That we have said we will do whatever it takes to defend is not a threat, it is a statement. Being right here before you today is part of doing whatever it takes. The Founding Fathers pledged whatever it would take… their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor, to defend rights. With the evidence you will see that is what we were doing; there was no conspiracy to impede, to harm… but, to protect our heritage that our pioneer ancestors established. We were attacked, surrounded by what appeared to be mercenaries, snipers pointed directly at me. You will hear a report from a sniper that he was keeping watch of me in my van, with my wife and two of my daughters with me.

Our ranch - children are always welcome - it is a place to play, play in the river, the pond, chase or hunt rabbits, burn your toes in the hot sand in summer—always free. Never before did we feel like someone was always watching. In early spring of 2014 we felt like someone was always watching… the dogs were watching the hills, when you are always with a dog you get to know what they are saying with their bark… you can tell by their bark what they are seeing… surveillance cameras on one hill, but the dog looking at another and growling… (tearfully) This is not what America is supposed to be. Supposed to be a land of liberty. The Founding Fathers fought and bled so we wouldn’t have to and now we find ourselves in a similar situation.

They say this issue is over grazing fees… it’s terrible, terrible, he must be a freeloader - it’s only rhetoric - I’ll tell you why - You don’t pay rent when you own your home! We own those rights! Not the land, I know we don’t own the land, but access…you and others have rights on that land. We own water and grazing rights. We don’t pay rent for something we own.

The BLM was formed in 1960. Our rights were established in 1877, long before BLM. The original states own 100% of their land and all states were to come in on equal footing. The crux of the issue is,  are we a state or not? They say grazing is a privilege they can revoke and charge fees. If it is only a matter of money it is no problem. In fact, Mr. Whipple showed a copy of a check made out to Clark County. If the whole purpose is to show we owe a fee, then we’ll pay to the proper owner of the land. That was not the only check written to Clark County, we sent several. Also, in Clark County, there were 53 ranchers who owned rights. There is only a single one still out on the range. The BLM is not gaining revenue, it’s not important to them. My father could see they were there to manage him out of business. It’s not about grazing fees. In the BLM office there were signs that read: No more Moo by ‘92 and Cattle Free by ‘93! If it were only about the grazing fees, the fees would have been under $100,000 over 25 years. It is rumored, it may not be seen in evidence, but it is rumored that they spent $6 million on the operation. Who spends that and court costs rumored to be over $100 million to collect $100,000?

What is this about? The court orders. They say my father had an opportunity in the courts. The court wouldn’t consider states rights. They have forgotten they are servants of the people. We the people are the sovereign and ultimately, we the people are the government formed to meet needs that are better met by a group than by individuals. We are not slaves. We need to remember that. I think that’s forgotten. The definition of freedom is lost in America. When we have to have a license or ask permission to do everything, we are subjects.

Back to the charges - they claimed I went to Richfield and that the sheriff had to be called because we were causing such a ruckus—evidence will show otherwise—we boycott to influence to change ways - we protest to cause a change - these are first amendment rights - we do not get rights from the Bill of Rights - we have rights to begin with - it should be called the Prohibition of Government - we have freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, freedom of assembly, we can petition for a redress of grievances—rights we don’t want the government to mess with.

A redress is to find an answer, find a solution - one way to protest. The BLM put up first amendment zones - not much bigger than this courtroom - we called them pig pens - by creating that area, they were denying our right everywhere else - that’s what they used to arrest my brother - he was outside the pig pens. The first amendment has been protected over and over again in our history. There’s lots of media in the gallery today, they wouldn’t be happy to have their right to free speech taken. First amendment was put in the Supreme Law of the land, the Constitution - they shall make no law restricting these things… as you saw in the video yesterday, my brother was not impeding, not blocking, he was on a state road, on its right-of-way, simply to take pictures with his ipad of them stealing our cattle - they attacked him, threw him to the ground, rubbed his face in the ground. (emotional) The American public saw this and came not to impede or do harm. They came because they felt the spirit of the Lord, spirit of freedom and felt “we the people are not going to put up with that behavior”. It was not pointed out there were snipers on the hill, I witnessed that through binoculars and the evidence will show this.

Back to Richfield, Utah, evidence and witness testimony will show there was not a ruckus there that disrupted or shut down that auction. I called the sheriff - that’s the pattern - the local law enforcement and state brand inspectors in Nevada, Arizona and Utah and I had contact with the highway patrol, county commissioners in several counties and state officials - not all face to face, but some through phone calls. Is this what a criminal does? No. We were there protecting life, liberty, property. You saw the video of them hip chucking my Aunt Margaret, 50+ years of and just finished with cancer treatments, the mother of 11 children. They call these BLM guys law enforcement, but they are just BLM employees. All authority comes from we the people, we delegate authority to the county sheriff who we elect and he hires deputies and we then have a sheriff’s department to protect our life, our liberty, our property. Choosing for yourself is freedom and we have no right to impede or harm others. That’s God’s law. Man-made law is to follow that. Man is supposed to be free, not controlled, serfs or slaves. Government is to be our servant. The government went in and shut down 600,000 acres - not one of us ever went into their enclosed area and never impeded them. Even my brother driving into the dump truck… isn’t that impediment? The court order did not allow destruction of water infrastructure. What was a dump truck doing out there? Since that was beyond the scope of the supposed court order, we had a right to know. They could have stopped and answered our questions, but no, they set out attack dogs and tazers and threw Aunt Margaret to the ground. Every incident they are charging us with happened on property that belonged to the State of Nevada. Even if BLM had authority to close public land, they have no authority to close State of Nevada public land. The fence was on the State of Nevada land. Except by invitation, you will not see one of us breach that fence or impede the gather. We did not violate the court order. Dave went over the fence by the invitation of Dan Love and then the sheriff took over and asked for our help to take down the fence and then the cowboys, led by sheriffs squad cars went to release the cattle. The sheriff honored his oath and did his job. He should have done it sooner.

I love my family. I love them. I love this land. I love freedom. I am from the State of Nevada. I’m a true Nevadan. I mentioned before that Nevada became a state on Oct. 31st and we always got out of school on that day… I always thought we got out because it was my birthday. I’m a true Nevadan. I believe you are, too, and love freedom as much as I do. Freedom’s not being lost overseas - it’s lost right here at home in our back yards, our front yards. Until we are willing to do whatever it takes, liberty will be, is being lost. We are not anti-government! Government has its proper place and duties to perform. I want government to do its job. Nothing more. Nothing less. When government does more or less than its job, it becomes the criminal. When government damages our rights, it becomes the criminal. When someone harms or damages another’s life, liberty or property that is the definition of a criminal. Extortion, violence, pointing guns - everything we are charged with, they were doing and thousands of people came running - the world knew about this - China, Ireland (they sent us a flag), New Zealand and other countries - why? Because America stood for freedom and has for years and the world is interested in seeing how America (emotional) will deal with freedom. The world wants to know. The American people said, “yes, we will stand for freedom. Government, you’ve gone too far and we will put a stop to it.”

The courts have a place. It is said that We the People are the fourth branch of government. I say we are the first. The legislature to make laws, the executive to execute laws and the judicial to judge. All three branches are to protect your rights, our rights, freedom, liberty. Government does not have the authority in and of itself - man creates government to fulfill and protect rights. We the people give government the authority through the Constitution. The tenth amendment insures state’s rights.

Evidence will show my father and my brothers are innocent men. We need you to put on that paper that we are not guilty. You are the twelve to represent us, peers, equals, people…we the People.

Guns…lots of guns…scary…camo…freedom of speech…also, the right to bear arms, the second amendment…a militia was necessary. What is a militia? It is defined in the law. U.S. Code defines militia: “all able bodied men 17-45 years of age”. How many of you are a member of the militia? State of Nevada extended that and includes men up to the age of 64. How many of you now are a member of the Nevada militia? There is the organized militia, the National Guard and the unorganized militia - everyone else. Why did the Founding Fathers include the second amendment? Was it for duck hunting? No…no! Militia is mentioned six times in the Constitution. Such a small document and few things are mentioned more than the militia; the central government of this union and yet media or whatever wants to put a bad face on militia. Why did militia come to Bundy Ranch? To peacefully assemble, redress of grievances. No one was harmed except Davey, Ammon and Margaret. You will not see in evidence that we ever harmed anyone! They attack and we turned the other cheek. We were peaceful—insistent? Yes! And, Yes! Demanding. These men, these people did not come to seek an opportunity to point guns at the government. Hundreds, even thousands of people we didn’t know. That’s exemplary. These people came to do good. To protect me, to save my life. I had a sniper pointing at me, 200 armed men surrounding my home, my family (tearfully) Ryan Payne has been portrayed as a bad man. Evidence will show otherwise. He saved my life. He saved my life. Others came. I didn’t even meet most of them until I was in jail with them, may have seen them in passing, but I didn’t know them until jail. I honor and thank them now! I thank all who came. We only have rights we are willing to fight for. You’ll see evidence that I was nearly always with the sheriff or a deputy - always in communication with them - I was side-by-side with Lombardo.

Thank you for coming, for being here. I will still do whatever it takes. This is not a threat, it is determination. I love my freedom. Listen to the still small voice to discern between truth and error. The indictment and grand jury testimony is full of lies. Truth has been blocked in previous trials. Listen closely - we will try to get you the truth. The truth will set me free and I’m counting on you to help me see that.

I invite you to our ranch. I recognize your right to use the land. We want you to come and enjoy it. I thank you for this time. Please find me not guilty and these other men not guilty. Stand up for freedom. Thank you.

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Anonymous IX's picture

You are absolutely correct.  Harry Reid, in consort with a billionaire, has been trying to grab BLM land everywhere in Nevada for solar farms.  They want Bundy out because they can put these kinds of technological boondoggles into play.  Remember Obama, at the beginning of his administration, giving his billionaire friends all sorts of advantages, including enormous federal money, to start solar businesses which went bankrupt?  None, absolutely none, of these businesses produced a damn thing.  The U.S. citizens have lost literally billions...not millions...billions of dollars on money Obama threw at solar businesses, and I believe all have subsequently gone bankrupt or out of business for one reason or another.  Where did the money go?  Who's responsible?  Into Obama's, other politican's pockets, and billionaire pockets.  Don't get me wrong.  Nothing was paid to Obama at the time, but debts are owed and will be repaid in one form or another.  Heaven forbid that land use should go to an average, normal U.S. citizen who has been using the land for generations.

True Blue's picture

You don't think people are paying $3.2 million just to hear the teleprompter speak, do you?

ffed's picture

We are under Admiral LAW, (Almost)  ALL Flags in COURTROOMS in U.S. ARE FRINGED with GOLD- LOOK UP Jolly Roger U.S. Flag Golfd Fringe.  There are TWO constitutions one for DC, one for FREE SOVERIEGNS

http://www.annavonreitz.com/index.html

Vilfredo Pareto's picture

Dear Lord, a Bundie article on zerohedge attracts SC like shit attracts flies.

ffed's picture

JESUITS.  ROMAN LAW.  CATHOLIC CHURCH, -ALL SATANIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

koan's picture

Apparently there are still some balls left in the USA.

Drop-Hammer's picture

A most excellent summation of what America is.  What most Americans can not fathom is that America's greatness is its white people.  America was founded and built by white people.  It was white men of European extraction, Christian values, and western, classical educations who created our founding documents and codified our greatness onto them.  Sadly, America's greatness has been hi-jacked or more precisely subverted and infiltrated by treacherous jews who utilized/weaponized negroes and other non-Caucasians against us true white Americans.  You can YouTube video clips of the Bundy's travails and observe that all of the state's agents (BLM, sheriff's personnel, gov't snipers, et al) were white men.  Men, who have been corrupted/compromised to 'uphold the laws' (sad that white men's souls can be bought for the price of a pension), laws that have been corrupted by our jewstice system/jewdiciary.  Our laws no serve true white Americans or our interests. They now serve only the (((Money-changers/Le Happy Merchants))).  The only way out of this will be by force of arms.  It was no accident that the Second Amendment was codified as the Second Amendment.

TheLastTrump's picture

American patriots DO NOT follow Nazi's.

Ask your grandfather.

Number 9's picture

well small problem there..my grandfather was a nazi..

Drop-Hammer's picture

My grand-dad was German.  His parents emigrated from Germany to the U.S.  I am proud to have German genetics and German blood flowing through my veins.  Would not want tainted jew blood or mud-blood.   

Drop-Hammer's picture

TheLastSlump, jew did nazi me coming, did jew?

Lost in translation's picture

“...white men's souls can be bought for the price of a pension.”

Well-stated, very true.

Ms No's picture

Leaders unite and conquerors divide.  If white society cannot unite the various peoples then they wont be leading anything.  How can white society lead when all of the other groups are constantly being told that white man finds them inferior and worthless compared to themselves?  How can white society lead if they do not convince others that their leadership will be benevolent and protective of their liberty and ability to pursue prosperity?  How can white people lead when everyone is terrified that they want to subjugate them and take everything for themselves?  Why do white people promote the division plans of their occupiers?  These are things people should consider.

Drop-Hammer's picture

Respectfully, it was never YT's duty/responsibility/calling/mission to 'unite and lead' the colored untermensch.  The Europeans tried that when they took on the White Man's Burden, and it was a miserable failure, because the colored untermensch does not want the light or truth or the white man's way.  The white Europeans recognized that the colored untermensch were inferior and incapable of being united or led and yes, they considered them as such and unfit to be the white man's equal.  The best we can hope to do is repatriate all colored untermensch back to their countries/peoples of origin and keep them from destroying/polluting YT's world.  We can trade with them, exchange diplomats and the like, but never trust them, take them into your confidence, or let them get close enough to harm you.  Sadly, we have violated that last one and are paying the price for it.  

Ms No's picture

Blacks aren't in charge of what is happening to us.  If people don't get together under some cohesive goal there wont be any reason to deport anybody because we wont have a country to deport anybody from.  The accomplished what they did in the ME using the Shia Sunni strife.  They have us divided six more times over.

Rex Andrus's picture

You're looking through the prism of the corporate tv hallucination. When tshtf they haven't divided us at all. There aren't that many dedicated marxist crisis actors and their hypnotized audience will wake right up and straighten out or die. Survival = responsibility + sensibility

WillyGroper's picture

"America was founded and built by white people."

you mean it was stolen from NA's & destroyed/polluted by white people., eh?

Drop-Hammer's picture

NA=Not Applicable.  I will bet that you are part Cherokee.  Hahahahahahahahaha!!

Yog Soggoth's picture

One of the guys arrested with them was native retard. Go sell that crap in downtown anywhere, but not here.

ffed's picture

Kangaroo Court, this is most likely ALL FAKE, a TRUE FREEMAN would NEVER ENTER their FAKE ILLEGAL Court!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Look up U.S. is a CORPORATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TheLastTrump's picture

Sovereign citizen, OUTED.

Sovs are fucking demented violent terrorists.

Gold fringe, indeed.

Hugh Mann's picture

You're obviously a statist shill with no clue as to what you're babbling about.

 

There's no such thing as a sovereign citizen. You're one or the other, can't be both. There are no sovereigns in this corporate state. We lost sovereignty after the civil war.

White Devil's picture

You will die in the first wave.

jughead's picture

soooo...if you are not sovereign, you admit you are a fucking slave.  Good boy.

Vilfredo Pareto's picture

Lol.  There are moderates in that movement.  Good people on all sides :).  You definitely outted a  true believer SC though.   Other key words are land patent and admiralty courts 

WorkingClassMan's picture

This is the enemy of the working and middle classes (the Producers):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq76-KJIlBk

TheLastTrump's picture

You had some sympathy after the Nevada confrontation.

It was when you guys thought you'd start some kind of a revolution by taking over Malheur that you jumped the shark.

Some of your less restrained boys scared the shit out of some of the local townspeople, especially the ones that worked for the BLManagement.

You got cocky. You liked the limelight so you tried to seize more of it- for your ego.

besnook's picture

....and then they were all aquitted in court except for the fbi informant.

gearjammers1's picture

Nobody cares what you think Jewboy dual-citizen

Drop-Hammer's picture

Is TheLastSlump at it again?  He is a white-hating jew.  The most dangerous species of the jew.  Shoot on sight.

gearjammers1's picture

He's a Trotskyite. I can smell them from a long distance. Smells like Trotsky.

Vilfredo Pareto's picture

Overreach is always a threat to any plan lol.

 

Yeah it hurt their cause, but was anyone convicted?

STP's picture

It wasn't 'ego'.  Ammond went up their and tried to teach the locals about their God given rights.  He actually had meetings and attempted to explain to them, what the Constitution meant and what powers were entitled to the Citizens and the States.  He has a video on Youtube.  Educate yourself, before you judge Ammond Bundy.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpaL0qWC0lo

besnook's picture

all that matters is the millenials are willing .gov sheep which is another way of saying none of this matters no matter that it is the truth of the matter not just in nevada but the entire usa.

skinwalker's picture

Homework for you:

Go to a small farm town and talk to the guys in their late twenties and early thirties.

It’ll open your eyes like you wouldn’t believe.

jughead's picture

I live in one of those towns and my kids are that age...so please, open my eyes and tell us all what you think you have seen and heard.  Otherwise, shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about. 

skinwalker's picture

Well, I live in one of those towns and I’m 31. My wife is 32. Our friends are all under 34.

We shoot twice a week. We train four days a week. We hunt. We trap. We practice bushcraft. We camp. We prep. Can you say the same?

I can fix a tractor with a set of hand tools. Can you say the same?

We study economics and history. We knew more about the crimes of the uber class at age 25 than most people will in a lifetime.

Just the other day myself and some friends met for drinks and casually discussed genocide and insurgency as a way of making small talk.

I’m speaking not just for myself here, but around a dozen people. Even my feminine lesbian friends are way more badass than most men.

The fact that your children grew up to be abject failures is entirely your fault, not mine.

besnook's picture

i live in two small towns. while you are right in saying rural people are more skilled in every day necessary skills i don't see anyone doing anything but talking. talk is cheap. the bundys are actually doing something and so have i. what have you done?

skinwalker's picture

I’m not going to talk about federal crimes I may or may not have committed on an open forum.

Lost in translation's picture

I agree with him. Also believe Finnicum was executed in cold blood, it can’t be denied.

But it’s hard to tell when these individuals and groups come to the fore, who’s for real, who’s an informant, who’s an agent with a cover, etc.

knotjammin2's picture

Finnicum was murdered in an ambush.  What these asshat feds fail to remember is that historically in war turnabout is fair play.  The feds set a bad precedent. They have established the rules that allow for an ambush. 

Anteater's picture

You can use EXACTLY the same arguments about the Mexicans

who owned the SouthWest IN TITLE, but are now being hunted

down and deported, as Trump flies in millions of Chindu squatters.

Not hard to read Bundy, then understand FIRST NATIONS as well.

The Federal government, being SQUATTERS THEMSELVES, will

always come down against the First Nations, against Mexicans,

against Pioneer Families, and eventually against every American.

WADC and the NYC Banker squatters have taken EVERYTHING,

brazenly claiming WE owe THEM $20 TRILLION for the privilege!!

And your only 'choice' is between ZioWarPigA and ZioWarPigB,

both running $10sBs Citizens United 501(c)3 tax dodge rackets.

WINNING!! WINTER WHITE HOUSE BOLSHEVISM!!

True Blue's picture

You can use EXACTLY the same arguments about the Mexicans

who owned the SouthWest IN TITLE but are now being hunted down and deported

 

And if their families were there when Mexico seceded the southwest to the US in 1848 with the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, they became American citizens and retained any and all land rights.

Let me say that again: if Mexicans were in what became US territories, they stayed there, kept their homes and properties and became Americans. Those making the screeching claim that the 'border crossed them' have no grounds for their assertion -if they did have legitimate claim, then their family would have already been Americans since July 4, 1848. QED. If they are being deported, then they are not Americans, are not from families who lived there when the borders were realigned, and have no rights or claims to territory their country 'owned' once upon a time.

Your spurious argument is the same as if the French suddenly decided that all of the Mississippi valley still belonged to them and they have some 'right' to simply move in and usurp what isn't theirs.

 

Montana Cowboy's picture

Just a reminder about the legal nature of real estate ownership in the United States.

In the US, it remains impossible to own any physical attributes of real estate. If you can touch it or feel it, you can't own it. The US government claims to own every square inch of land with the possible exception of land under foreign embassies. We operate on the bundle-of-rights theory. All you can own are rights that run with the land. So when a real estate owner is clamoring about rights, remember, that is all he has. He deserves to get your attention.

It would surprise most Americans to learn they pay property taxes on rights, not on anything physical. Or that they could buy a new door at Home Depot, which they physically own under property law. But once they attach it to thier home, they have donated it to the federal government and must now pay additional property tax on that door to their state - after paying sales tax and all the taxes of all the companies/corps that had anything to do with getting that door to market. Land of the free - yah, right.

There is a form of real estate ownership known as allodial title. It is a form of ownership that has no superior landlord. The property can't be taxed, encumbered, or subjected to any lien. Oddly enough, Nevada experimented with a return to that system I think around the late 1990s. They would calculate the fee to get allodial rights by considering the age of the property owner and how much Nevada would statistically lose in property tax. But after a few years, Nevada had to shut down that alternate form of ownership because they couldn't really provide true allodial title. The feds refused to respect it.

Bundy understands all this business about rights. He raises an interesting issue about Nevada ownership of land. How did the feds get a claim on that ownership? Sure to come up is the fact that "Nevada" and "The State of Nevada" are two different entities, the latter being a corporation.

PacOps's picture

Precicely why, when I figured out early on in life that real property ownership was a sham controled by bureaucrats and political whims, that I have always rented. Now pushing 76 and still rent. 

I agree - jury must acquit or Trump pardon.

Montana Cowboy's picture

But you are not escaping anything. Under a rental agreement or lease, the landlord conveys to you most of those rights he has. The only material difference is that the landlord/owner has no ending date on his ownership of rights while you do as a tenant. This is why a landlord must go to court to forcibly terminate a tenant's rights. The tenant really does OWN an INTEREST IN REAL ESTATE (known as an Estate for Years) that is no less powerful than the ownership interest of the owner/landlord (known as a Fee Simple Estate). As a tenant, you are certainly not escaping property taxes as they are passed through to you. The rights conveyed to you as a tenant must be a subset of those held by the landlord. Consequently, the "sham" aspects of real estate ownership have fully materialized in your tenancy rights.

PacOps's picture

Thank you for taking the time to educate. All true and enlightening.

For me its just my personal choice to not directly participate and thereby submit.

Similar to my choice to no longer fly since ~2003 - I drive unless absolutely necessary (my trip to Poland last year).

Just my feeble one man protest to not directly participate in whatever .gov BS I can avoid. Or at least try to avoid.

Montana Cowboy's picture

You are not a one-man protest on the flying matter. Except for a surgery in Los Angeles, I haven't encountered a TSA idiot since they existed.

PacOps's picture

I started having fun with the TSA in the last few years of flying. The hound in my Icon was my service dog. He was trained to go thru the metal detector by himself and then had to be patted down (because of his vest). TSA would go nuts trying to find someone not afraid to get close to him as well as to touch him. 120 lbs of Plush Coat GSD and we flew 4 flights every 2 weeks.

We always went early as it could take 15 mins or more until someone with balls or dog savvy could be found. We would just stand aside and wait while everyone gave him plenty of space. He knew the drill - they did not.

The Stews, on the other hand, loved him and always made sure he had a pillow to sack out on at my feet and a little bowl of water that he never touched while flying.

God he was a supreme Babe Magnet!

WillyGroper's picture

i thinks it's possible to own allodial title by sifting thru land patents & you know how to doit.

same goes when you buy a new car.  tell them you want allodial title & they'll ablige.  otherwise, the state owns it.