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ABC Reports Russian Troops Have Arrived In Syria, Russia Denies
Earlier today, Al Arabiya made waves in the energy market following reports that a Russian ship carrying special forces had arrived in the Syrian port of Tartus, previously demonstrated here to be a key strategic asset in the Mediterranean. This news was promptly denied by RIA, which said that "there were no Russian military ships off Syria coast" and that the Iman ship is a tanker which is merely conducting resource support functions. Furthermore, according to the Russian Ministry of Defense, the crew of Iman consists solely of "civilian personnel, which is being guarded." That may or may not be the case, but has not stopped ABC from blasting, minutes ago, a headline that "Russian anti-terror troops arrive in Syria" a development that a "United Nations Security Council source told ABC News was "a bomb" certain to have serious repercussions." Which begs the question: is everyone now dead set on having war in Syria, and by proxy, Iran?
From ABC:
Russia, one of President Bashar al-Assad's strongest allies despite international condemnation of the government's violent crackdown on the country's uprising, has repeatedly blocked the United Nations Security Council's attempts to halt the violence, accusing the U.S. and its allies of trying to start another war.
Now the Russian Black Sea fleet's Iman tanker has arrived in the Syrian port of Tartus on the Mediterranean Sea with an anti-terror squad from the Russian Marines aboard according to the Interfax news agency. The Assad government has insisted it is fighting a terrorist insurgency.
The Iman replaced another Russian ship "which had been sent to Syria for demonstrating (sic) the Russian presence in the turbulent region and possible evacuation of Russian citizens," the Black Sea Fleet told Interfax.
Here is where ABC's report gets a little screwy:
RIA Novosti, a news outlet with strong ties to the Kremlin, trumpeted the news in a banner headline that appeared only on its Arabic language website. The Russian embassy to the U.S. and to the U.N. had no comment, saying they have "no particular information on" the arrival of a Russian anti-terrorism squad to Syria.
Actually no, here is what RIA did say about the development, google translated: (original can be found here)
Defense Ministry denied the information circulated a number of media that the coast of Syria are ostensibly Russian warships.
"No Russian warships, performing tasks from the shores of Syria, no. In the Syrian port of Tartus 10 days of the ship auxiliary fleet tanker" Iman "which performs the tasks logistics - the replenishment of fuel and food - of the Black Sea and Northern Fleets, which provides security shipping in the Gulf of Aden anti-piracy ", - told RIA Novosti representative of management information and the Defense Ministry.
Previously, some Russian and foreign media reported that the Black Sea Fleet tanker "Iman" on board which is a group of Marines, ostensibly to perform combat missions off the coast of Syria.
Which is rather odd - one would imagine that when reporting on such potential warmongering scenarios fact-checking would be rather important. It appears not.
Either way, ABC continues:
Last week Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Russia had no plans to send troops to Syria.
"As for the question whether I consider it necessary to confront the United States in Syria and ensure our military presence there… in order to take part in military actions -- no. I believe this would be against Russia's national interests," Lavrov told lawmakers, according to RIA Novosti.
So... Buy crude or yes? Because it has been a whopping 48 hours since we heard anything from Israel ever since its security council proceeded to give the go ahead in a 8-6 vote to attack Iran.
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>I see, so opposing bombing other countries excludes one from being a patriot?
No. I support charitably freeing people by taking out criminal, oppressive regimes. Just like I would call the police if my neighbor was beating his wife. If you don't support it, but still consider yourself a patriot, I guess either you are apathetic to others' suffering and/or don't want to pay for it. You may not understand it, but you are paying the price in the long run anyway by living in a world in turmoil. A world with less free markets and reduced potential for humanity.
Free markets aren't compatible with pacifism. Free markets require force (e.g. police). Even Rothbard's private entrepeneurial providers of security and arbitration would seek out profit, i.e. identify and act against known aggressors. I don't want to pay for others' food stamps, but given that I do pay taxes, I would direct that they be used for moving us toward a more peaceful world organized by division of labor and freedom of exchange.
>How many brown people does one need to advocate the killing of in order to be considered patriotic? All of them?
I advocate taking out the bad ones. And they don't need to be brown. Remember, USA helped defeat the Nazis.
>How about patriots that want the US government to abide by its own Constitution
That would be nice. But I'm more worried about practical matters than an ignored piece of paper signed by a bunch of strangers 200 years ago without the benefits of centuries of knowledge.
You almost had me until you brought up Nazis. Now I think your avatar is just too clever ;)
He sounds just like a Jewish "Objectivist". In other words, a troll.
But I'm more worried about practical matters than an ignored piece of paper signed by a bunch of strangers 200 years ago without the benefits of centuries of knowledge...
... says the man from a country not even 300 years old, trying to police cultures that are thousands of years old.
I just cut that same bit out to comment!
"I'm more worried about practical matters" Practical matters? Really?
Yeah - fuck the rule of law, right. We can trust "the deciders" to do the right thing without any of that pesky oversight stuff.
If the founders are "strangers" to this guy, I think he needs to get reaquanted.
No amount of "technical progress" can obviate the need for checks and balances on the ambitions of the power hungry and greedy.
No wonder we're so fucked.
And referring to men of the caliber of Jefferson and Franklin yet! Without the benefits of knowledge. I can only chuckle. It's like some old-maidish schoolmarm sniffing and earnestly explaining why it is incorrect to say that the shop down the street has Prince Albert in a can or King Edward in a box. And one has to admire the way he calls his opinions charitable. Charitable murder. Damn. Why did't I think of that? Is that bullish?
Ha ha. Wow, I almost thought you were serious until you came out with that last paragraph.
But you are not a very good troll because saying "Nazis, bad" and then right below it laying the foundation for American fascism as in: That would be nice. But I'm more worried about practical matters than an ignored piece of paper signed by a bunch of strangers 200 years ago without the benefits of centuries of knowledge.
Too much. Too much, sir.
"That would be nice. But I'm more worried about practical matters than an ignored piece of paper signed by a bunch of strangers 200 years ago without the benefits of centuries of knowledge."
Move the fuck out of the USA then spy bag.
...Just like I would call the police if my neighbor was beating his wife.
Would you call them if you knew the police would use a drone strike to 'stop' the beating, thereby killing most of your wife-beating neighbour's family? (or maybe even blow up the whole neighbourhood?)
And then build another house at your expense, and install another wife beater, this time one who would let the police rape his kids?
Nice try, sophist.
I--YES!!--I--Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman--I DENOUNCE YOU, BLOODTHIRSTY PEEG!
Ed Wood character Dr. Acula said:
So why not start with the one in Vichy DC?
Vichy DC...I really like that one. Mind if I borrow it?
Please, feel free to use it. Oh, wait, in New America, the phrase "feel free" is a bit foreign. Let's try that again: you are welcome to use it as you see fit.
you miss the point entirely
Most people like villifying strangers and killing them via war.
Its a big thrill for the masses, like believing in hope and change
We are a blood thirsty, impatient species and war provides a lot of bang for the buck
alas, i only have one green arrow to give...
thanks red pill
That would be referred to as Cognitive Infiltration, via our favorite Sunstein.
THAT's when it went All Wrong: when they changed the name from DOW to DOD. Just after WW II, I believe...as DC/Wall St. decided to replace the imploding Brit Empire with American Empire.
Or was it Eurasia?
EURASIA, dumbass.
it's okay if Odickhead wants it must be right
Boom.... maybe?
If this report had any truth do you think Brent would still be unch....?? Do ya?
Emergency! Everybody to get from street!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TszIJX-F4U
LOL! Thanks! HAven't seen that for a long time. ONe of the best.
Red-matter swan.
Pressure will continue to build but the Lavrov line is the same one repeated over and over. To think that anybody 'wants' confrontation in the region is beyond insane.
This is Russia realizing that they are getting way behind in "live fire" training.
It isn't. The statements made are true, US won't be confronted over Syria.
"Live fire" training will be one of the key determinants of America's future, whether abroad or here within our borders. When the lights go out, you better have that "live fire" training on your side.
And in the meantime we must keep swimming (warring) like a shark, keeping the oil flowing and the sea lanes open. If we ever stop swimming, we will die.
Watch when that happens. Yes, we will die, (or most of us).
2010: I also predicted there could be other events happening which would only further push Russia's decision to war, with another possible scenario being what would today be called a Palestinian "Arab Spring" against the ruling government and military power of Israel. Likely starting in Gaza, then within the West Bank, the Palestinian Spring would then pour out across Israel proper and Jerusalem itself, being only further intensified as clashes turn into all-out battles over the Dome of the Rock. In this age of rampant "Zionist conspiracy theories" and other confusion over Israel, and with social media becoming what it is (a tool for the future Antichrist supporters to gather around the latest global cause), the Internet would therefore quickly rally behind the Palestinian cause, as the death toll mounts, and come against Israel in great numbers. Meanwhile, seeing how 'the world' has come against the Israeli government, Russia, Turkey, and Iran then decide to cease upon such an opportunity, and attack the State of Israel to help "liberate the Palestinian people," when in reality their invasion is just an excuse to wipe out the Jewish people. Looking at the situation today, I would still include the above reasons for Russia's surprise invasion and attack, yet I would only add to it the fact that given the current Iranian nuclear situation, the entire prophesied Battle of Gog and Magog may actually be in fact a counter-attack, to answer Israel's preemptive strike against Iranian nuclear facilities, something the current Israeli government cites is bound to happen, in 2012. Thus, even though Russia devises its plan of attack against Israel, looking again at the ancient text, it is God who admits He is "putting hooks" in Russia's "jaws" and "bringing them forth," or allowing Russia to come against His people of Israel, to ultimately prove a larger point, which God also makes known in Ezekiel 38-39 not least of which proving to the world that He 1) still exists, and 2) still stands for Israel, despite Russia's own atheism, and the Republic of Iran's false religion of Islam.
Enter Russia: I used to wonder how could Russian forces, as well as Iranian, be able to make such a bold move against Israel, and not have American or European sattellites not being able to see the masses of troops poised to march in the direction of Israel. I believe today this mystery could be solved, given the way Syria is in great need of some kind of "peacekeeping" force on the ground to allow a ceasefire between the loyal Syrian army and the Syrian rebels. Given the current bloody events in Syria of 2011-2012 whereby Bashar Al-Asad has conducted his regime to be the only one not to be so easily toppled by its people, he is killing his own people.
*Read Article 'Russia's Vladimir Putin warns against any attack on Iran'
*Read Article 'Russian Special Forces Stationed in Syria, Anti-Aircraft Targeting'
http://grailcode.net/#Russia/Iran
Then you woke up? Read something sane for a change:
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NC07Ak01.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NB16Ak01.html
Now now Gene... its just info and ideas:
As Russia increases its relationship with Iran, Iran itself is now under increasing Russian protection and against Israel, by default.
Mars (War) is brightly visable in March.
nice trick there... you know, with the obvious agressors, US and Israel, somehow becoming the victims as a result of some convoluted fantasy... how about some common sense... the US has over 40 bases all around Iran. NATO/al-CIA-duh mercenaries are in SYria doing most of the killing... Israel is part of it, and clearly not the victim. Palestinians live in open air pens where their lives and property are being taken away from them while the world stands silently by. If you are worried about Israel, you might want to do you bit to stop the fascist behavior that the Israeli government practices before the world really does wake up and demand justice.
It appears Gog and Magog are preparing to move into position for the prophesized invasion foretold in Ezekiel 38-39 while the intensifying and unnatural hatred of Israel and the Jewish people continues unabated. The hope of a better tomorrow will have to wait for the purge to come. Thre is no hope to come from man's machinations of Revolution or Reform. The only "R" that counts is Repentance.
Oh look a Fundie! Can I pet him, Can I pet him?!?
LOL! Right between the eyes. That BS is NOT traditional, orthodox Christianity. It is an amalgamation of fantasies and superstitions concocted less than 200 years ago. Otherwise, that crap would be in the three creeds of the undivided Church--Apostles', Nicene, and Athanasian. But is ain't because it's drivel. The writer is one of those unfortunates to whom Christ said that He would one day say, "Depart from me; I never knew you."
Funny thing, "Magog" sounds a lot like the Chinese for USA, "Meiguo."
Tell the Chinese you're from Magog and they'll correct your pronunciation, but understand perfectly.
nice.
So I guess the question is will Russia act as a deterrent to western aggression, or will they cut a deal andsplit the spoils?
They will sit and watch as the prices rises... Thinking ... thanks for the pay raise. Then make some remarks how they will not stand for it....
No worries, AAPL closes north of $600.
No worries. The NCAA games are on and there's a new iPad in town.
Does not the Iran Oil Bourse go online tomorrow?
I think tomorrow is the date on which Iran has said that they will stop accepting dollars for oil. No?
yes. happy vernal equinox everyone.
They look like raw recruits in that photo, not 'special forces'
And what the fuck is up with the steampunk goggles on their helmets? Decidedly un-Hero-of-Stalingrad looking.
BTW, does anyone know if VIX has ever doubled in one day?
Anything is possible!
Wouldn't take much.
Why did Nixon take the Dollar off the gold standard?
Because the bankers needed to increase the money supply in order to keep paying for the massive military buildup during the Cold War.
America "won" the Cold War because America's Dollar had reserve currency status which afforded America to keep their high cost of living AND to run the most expensive war machine ever. All because the rest of the world was forced to accept the US paper or else.
Cold War is long over. A few more banking machinations since then and a few stock market crashes. Things are coming to a dead stop now because EVERYONE knows America is lying about it's financial health and EVERYONE knows the DOLLAR IS NOT BACKED BY ANYTHING. Certainly not the trillions in Dollars that are sloshing around the globe.
Give it a few months, 2 years TOPS.
The dollar is backed by military aggression. Drones are the new Ben Franklin, Bitchez.
The dollar is backed solely by people's subjective valuations and the expectation that they will persist. The dollar has no inherent value. It is the same with gold ingots.
The dollar's value is that it is required to purchase oil. When that is no longer true the empire collapses.
It is the same with your self-righteous pontifications. What a priggish soul! I--Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman--denounce you, bloodthirsty peeg!
Fine but please quantify you "2 years tops" prediction. No, let me do it it for you 1 + 1 = 3, right? You can't quantify your statement unless you're a bankster fool! Nice try though.
He's right. It's backed by a frightening millitary complex and idiotic politicians. This thing will take WAAAAY longer than two years to crumble. Too many people have vested interests in seeing it through. We will see the term "escalation of committment" be defined and redefined in the coming decades.
WOLVERINES!
The chair is against the door.
Bob has a long mustache.
The rain in Spain stays mainly in the plain.
The shallow depression in the west of these islands is likely to cause rain within the next three days.
BUCKEYES!
I hope i'm not the only one who gets the reference. Loved that movie, especially the beginning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoM6IFiyRjE&feature=related
Sounds Syrias.
They have a great satellite radio company, syrias, ever listened? Shame it will be gone.
iRussia bitchez
Ooh, "United Nations Security Council"
Isn't that the "higher" authority that Barama looks to when deciding where the next NATO bombs for peace operation will take place?
Yes. He forgot to tell us he cancelled the US Constitution.
I wonder if we'll have to buy some little Red Book he comes out with?
Sobering to recall that "higher authority" is what Pol Pot & the Khmer Rouge did evrything in the name of.
Actually, no, that would be George Soros...
France raises terror alert level to... Scarlet? http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57399931/france-raises-terror-alert-...
Israel speaks up: Iran soon to be "strike-proof": http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-03-19/israel-iran-threats/...
Even if they had, big deal, france and the great satan have boots on the ground there too.
tHERE IS A WAR GOING ON RIGHT NOW FOR THE RESOURSES OF THE PLANET.THE REST OF THE BIG POWERS ARE NOT GOING TO STAND AROUND WHILE WE STEAL THINGS THAT THEY WANT TO BUY USING MILITARY FORCE.
Time to start choosing sides. I predict "their" side will have more countries supplying forces than "our" side.
@ unionbroker,
I could not have explained Thousands of years of Rapeing and Pilliageing by the Global Elite Oligarch system myself. Well done.
Russian Muppets..
Wladimir Dimon...
russia can be handled but if china shows tangible support for syria, then the bush crime syndicate has serious troubles on its hands setting up its grand pavillion in the middle east.
Who to believe? ABC news or the Russian military?
Hmmm...
Tough one!
An ABC news report sourced by Pravda?
Nobody will care. Nobody.
Dancing With The Stars season premiere tonight, it's about 80 degrees and sunny right now in the NYC area, the anti-anxiety meds will kick in just as 6:00 dinner starts.
Our new iPad 3s were just delivered over the weekend. Time to distract ourselves....
Nobody will give a fuck.
I know... its a damn shame and sad.
if you make a slick, government funded video about a half-assed, has been warlord, then people on the internet will care...
for about a week...
NUKES!!!! Who wants one?
There were sources in Russian military that indicated Spetnaz were to be deployed a little over a month ago. Damascus were saying that they caught 13 French officers a few weeks back and have said little since about it. I think both rumors are true and that Damascus is holding that card for NATO/UN to scream bloody murder over Russian troop deployement and we will probably see those french soldiers be put in front of the camera very soon.
To destroy a thing is to control a thing. It's all a sick game....
A battalion of Spetznaz would go a long way to slowing down the attack of the NATO allies.
All the Russians need to do is load up the place and stop the overthrow of Assad. It's not like NATO is going to install some "Democratic" Republic. They will only install a puppet regme with Goldmans' hand up its back.
These morons are going to start WW3. It may already be too late, as Iran has been cut off from SWIFT on Zionist orders. Would not suprise me if a mine blew up in the Strait next week.
or this week even.
We are getting very close, BRICS and NAMS have wised up to the playbook of the ruling families that control the G5 and their proxies. Syria and Iran are but the surface of a hidden war that's been raging for years. The Elite will not give up control of the worlds financial system (post Bretton Woods) without a fight and I fear they will plunge the world into a nuclear WWIII if they don't get want they want.
They may plunge it either way, what they want is most likely impossible - preserve collapsing structure by threatening and pushing around rest of the world. Exporting chaos has its limits, at some point in our globalized world, chaos comes back to those who think chaos is manageable when they instill it. Everything has its limits and this will lead to narrowing time window between action and counteraction that will destabilize the entire system, including international finances and trade. Pure mess in the end.
If not by the 22nd, then within 5-6 weeks it's most deff ON! It's like a perfect storm forming in the middle east with lots of dates becomming very poignant.
if not this week, then I'm looking at the space between the 9 - 15 April, with the 19th April tacked on as an outlier. and I'm including all "unexpected events" up to and including "wars."
I'll not bore folks with my methods, heh.
I can also agree with that, Syria is their tough nut right now and may require more time, unless, plan "B" kicks in and Israel does their own bidding.. Naaa. nevermind.
Where the fuck is Jimmy Carter when we need him?
Not to worry - his protege is in his former office, fingers poised over the 'martial law NOW' and 'Make it Glow' buttons, waiting for orders from GS to push both buttons simultaneously.
Building houses for the poor. With his own hands.
Apple: Next stop, $700?
Lets keep this headline from MarketWatch in our memory.
I have been to this movie many times, and I know how it ends.
Has France surrendered yet?
If they would turn over everything to Goldman I'm sure we'd be fine
If they would turn over everything to Goldman I'm sure we'd be fine
This is all about Russia having access to the Med. Syria is the only deep water port they can use. Not sure is this plays into the equation but Isreal would fly over Syria to attack Iran. China and Russia both see themselves being cut off from more and more resources. This may well get ugly as nations fight over resources.
China and Russia both said they would defend Iran and Syria. Of course it could all be empty threats but I would not take it lightly. They do have hypersonic anti-ship missles and alot of them. Sinking a carrier would = WWWIII.
I love the USA but we are not invulnerable.
Well, well, just a few months ago, US citizen Hilary Clinton explained to the world that Bahrain and Saudi Arabia were sovereign countries and as such, Bahrain could allow the deployment of Saudi troops on their soil to subdue local terrorists.
Apparently, either Russia or Syria, or both, are not sovereign countries.
Who knows in this US world order?
A good point but because you repeatedly disparage US citizens en masse your posts can have little influence upon very people who can oppose Hilary's access to power.
If I had any kind of influence, I'd stop immediately.
Would spoil any fact given about US citizenism.
Hopefully, US citizenism is beyond this kind of influence and I can quietly sit down and make predictions.
Which is great.
Well then enjoy talking to yourself. But doesn't it make the whole posting in a forum thing superfluous?
of course it does! i was developing this same idea for "him" below, crockett!
i realize that you aren't talking about bilary or opposing her "access to power"
you make a vey cogent point, A2 , that if bilary sez ok to bahrain accepting saudi troops to fight locals/imports, why can't syria have the same 'sovereign' rights?
crockett is trying to say something to you about about shooting yourself in the foot with this "theme" of yours and even deflects you completely from your valid message by sucking you into "influencing people"
you are a dialogical nihilist; your voice must have no effect upon citizenism even tho you insist on jacking everyone up about it 24/7
according to your own logic, you need to stop if you are heard; you are not in some forest designed by bishopBerkeley; you are on zH, and you are right! you DO need to leave, now, according to y-o-u
so please don't take as long leaving as you have proving that you really don't wanna be here, in the first place
your "hope" of US citizenism being completely, hermetically and "audibly" sealed from your influence is neither practical nor real, ergo, you must leave now, according to your own lofty standards
nihilism takes players outa the game all the time. what game? you don't think this matters, do ya? if your reason for being here and modus0ps are berkeleyan, and you are heard, you must either abondon the nihilism or adios, muchacho!
i backed you when i realized you were an artist, using symbols uniqely, but not incoherently. if you insist that your work should effect no one in the audience, you can't use zH as a "gallery" now, can you? go pull your artsy-fartsy fuking semantic disappearing act somewhere else
maybe you can take a punch better than a compliment, too though
i see where this could also be modesty or false modesty, both completely diff from artistic nihilism, but pretty ambiguous, given uB A2 , thank you...
Yeah! AND...his Mama dresses him funny.
well, i'm sure you're doing the best you can for the short time you've been posting here, dahlink
Slewie, you know as well as any pie-rat (avast!) that this AnyAnusmouse offers no real message, no logic, no reason, no constructive dialogue, no rational discourse, NOTHING but a blind and sweeping anti-American prejudice and hatred. This forum is nothing to him but a soapbox on which to stand and scream his sweeping, bitter, mindless, anti-American rants.
(If you do not think that AnAnusMouth's rants are anything but specious and devoid of intelligence, just look up the recent thread in which he categorically blamed his nonsencial and mythical "US Citizenism" for the collapse of Easter Island society in the 17th through 19th centuries --- before ANY American contact had ever even been made with that island!)
The fact that almost ALL of us here who are Americans are just as much if not even more vehement in our disdain and condemnation of the policies and actions of the US federal government means not a whit to this rabidly bigoted troll --- he is just as happy, no, most likely FAR more happy, lumping the victims in along with the criminals, and laughably condemning each and EVERY American as if we are all one uniform monolithic entity with one mind and one voice. But coming from a cowed, conformist, collectivist chinese citizen, that is not so very surprising.
heya akak ~
I'm gutted that I missed the "easter island" post, truly - and I realise "his" posts annoying the fk out of you, fair enough. . . I read his "US Citizenism" meme as a standin for "mindset" or "global policy" enacted, not necessarily pertaining to individuals *here* in a mocking sense.
I may be wrong, of course. . .
it was a while back and i can't exactly remember all the folks involved, but at the end of it all i reckoned he was pretty crazy but not a bad "impressionist" with his "artwork" around some of the symbols he projects
he calls us out constantly and often eschews logic in relating here, as you seem to be saying, too
but his post here about the double standard possibly in syria compared to bahrain isn't bullshit, ak, not to me; but then he goes into the diappearing act that crockett 'triggered' and i also caught, where he spoke oh himself and then disappeared on the "making a difference" thing
we all accept whom we choose and you clearly don't accept him, so fuk him, then! i don't care if you feel that way and can't stand the guy; you have tried to reason with him and would like to discharge a shotgun up his ass, m/l or at least administer a piratical boot, for pete's sake! well, do it! crockett and i did, too!
no, he is not rational, and what he did here, tonight is really A2 ; he is not pretending to do this, imo; he shows us the collective in terms of its very basic "assumptions"/conditionings and isn't reasonable in his monolithic expressions of "us" yet at the same time does seem to convey, somehow, the monolithic aspect of our conditioning
and when someone keeps treading on your corns, it hurts and pisses you off (generically); it is very aggressive psychologically
c_artes_ Aura "interprets" him more safely, but we see her uncertainty, b/c i think A2 is doing his impressionistPsycho-symbology or whatever it is and she is uncomfortable with it on some level, perhaps. her inner feminist may sense that if he is attacking her early conditioning, symbolically, she is in for a tussle, here!
much of his stuff here doesn't speak to me; i don't hear it; then i will feel something in my traces, often from one of his "citizen-isms" that activates slewie-defenses around my own "patriotism" over 60-something years, starting when i was a very young boy. of course
maybe i couldn't have seen this when a was younger and had a different hormonal balance and more hair and some things "mattered" more to me; or maybe i'm lucky to be honest with myself about how much i have carried, for how long, but i didn't start looking at my conditioning yesterday, either; things happened to people in the 60's too, and "citizenism" in the US is not as monlithic as he paints, but still he is also basically correct, also, imo, not so much logically as psychologically
it's not a "bad" thing except to the extent, perhaps, i can take this part of myself for granted and not understand i have "learned" stuff, often through straight operant (pavlovian) approval/attention-conditioning, about what is 'imprtant'. it can still be important if i choose it to be, and A2 's attack on why i feel it is important can actually give me a shot at finding new importance, which is not un-zH, imo. we hate what we're doing, as you say; and i say that's not b/c we're "american" but b/c we're human and at liberty to say so, here and now
life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are the self-evident birthright because i am human, because you are human, he, she and we; this is at a higher level than: "democratic" or "you have a right to vote" or you can choose how you worship and what, if anything, you consider "higher" than "me", b/c we're the goobermint and we can give you this shit
what? excuse me? where the fuk did we learn to accept this moronic nonsense? yes, we need governance and we can fight over the details till the devils go to bed, but if the governance does not respect and even, yes, serve the pure human birthright, well, that's tyranny imo
anyhow, i decided to accept him. or try to. he has that constant, relentless 'how does that feel?' "fritzPerls" aspect for me, and i take that stuff where i find it, ak. so he is caught between knowing, at some level, that his values don't belong in my process, and yet having the right to express his values; so i just hope he freaked his own ass out, here, today, too Hahaha!
Thank you for your uniquely Slew-esque reply, truly!
I think the AnAvonEmus really fires me up and makes me so fundamentally angry due to his absolute condemnation of each and EVERY American for the actions of our sociopathic and criminal federal government. It is bad enough to have to live subject to such monsters, but to be accused of THEIR crimes --- fuck that! Maybe society in the People's Republic of Nose-Picking and Blobbing-Up is that Borg-like in a hive kind of way, but he can tkae his broadbrush collectivist blame and shove it up his roadside-shitting sphincter. Rarely in my life have I been so falsely, unjustly and sweepingly accused of the criminal acts of another, or others, and I will not abide it to even the slightest degree. Such simplistic and idiotic accusations are the mark of a grossly underdeveloped and/or twisted intellect.
akak said:
...as well as blobbing up algebraic coconutism and bear with it made me laughism.
Your patience and willingness to try to draw him out in this and several prior threads are commendable, FourthStooge, but based on his responses to you (or lack thereof), I can only conclude that you have thereby achieved little if any satisfaction for all your efforts.
Now, I am going to look up that recent thread in which AnAnymouse blamed his "US Citizenism" jibberish for the decline and fall of Easter Island society --- prior to their contact with ANY outsiders, no less! I guess his "US Citizenism" just blows in on the breeze, like windborne pollen.
not wanting to get in-to what is obviously a *conversation* between you two, but I did want to address the part that "addresses" me,
I'm not taking anything AnAn posts "personally" because he's not addressing anything that I recognise as "me or mine" - end of. this is what I was trying to point out with the "US citizenism" meme - it doesn't rile me at all, I see his perspective even. . . this is perhaps because I do not identify myself with amrkn-ism, nor with any nationstate - I am me, for better or worse, and I'll argue from me, but not on the behalf of some invisible boundary lines + a flag that someOne else defines AND CONSTANTLY REDEFINES of late - that is not ME.
so if AnAn wants to make his point about US citizenism, I can hear it w/o all the pat-riot non-sense clogging up my hearing receptors. . . this is also why I don't vote, why I lived outside of amrka for years - I don't' see the reality of amrka as anything LIKE the HOLOGRAM projected and imitated by the majority of people who inhabit the space(s).
and, just for the record, I don't have an "inner feminist" that feels "an attack on my early childhood conditioning" - the "feminist" tag is applied by you because you've decided to discard any of the points I raise regarding "gender" or the "conditioning" of those who choose to subscribe to the polarities of "man v. woman" - I don't, so how could I be a "feminist"? I'm a female human, being. I am not a "woman" though, that requires certain identifying markers of behaviour that don't interest me. I spent a lot of time observing the whole duality of "gender" with attention paid to how it is manipulated to serve a greater agenda, and I want nothing of it, thanks. obviously I had "early conditioning" within an amrkn family, but then I grew up.
The "no volume" melt up must be boring the Russians.
I believe Russia has a port in Syria (lease from Syria).
It is their only southern med port (if I remember correctly). Which would explain why they did not want to 'condem' the Syrian government as they could easily lose that foot hold.
So it would not be surprising that they would put troops there just to protect that interest.
someone went on a junk spree. bastard.
I think we should ask this girl what she thinks about Syria and Iran.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdYTj5CChaA&feature=player_embedded
thank you tekhneek I think that chick is awesome!!!
She's a Keeper......
lol the comments:
never really an honest answer on that one. . .
I hope she's good at other things???
Is this an example of education today? What percentage of folks are actually dumber than her?
Sad
what she's obviously good at is being the butt of her husband's mocking, thereby gaining bro-fist points from his pals, and earning him internets points with similars on youtube. . .he appears to be using her as the bait. maybe one day she'll divorce him and take the chequebook, and then he can play the martyr, ha.
still the joke's on him, and mebbe their spawn?
And like in the Georgia war, will Russian troops kill US mercenaries who are there secretly?? Wouldn't surprise me.
Just wondering if this fits in :
Loads of INTERNET HUBS down ... World Wide.
http://www.internettrafficreport.com/details.htm
Those small hubs shut down is no cause for any alarm.
kish bourse starts trading oil outside US dollar onthe 20th of march. TPTB cut cables last time Iran tried to do this.
Cool site, aleph0
FOX News: US Trumps Russian Invasion!
AAPL salesmen land in Syria....
Oh great - tactical iPads.
Netanyahu’s landmark visit to Cyprushttp://www.cyprus-mail.com/benjamin-netanyahu/netanyahu-s-landmark-visit...
and this from LA Times and Hurriyet (Turkey)
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pentagon-redoubling-efforts-in-hormuz-a...
THIS is the important point:
Report: Russia Sent Syria Super-Advanced S-300 Missileshttp://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/150059#.Ts6o4GOXudA
For Russia's base... I doubt they actually gave any to the Syrian army.
at least it's not the 400
Which is why the Saudis are being blackmailed with involvement in the 911 attacks ... so that they would allow the Israelis to travel to Iran across their country.
And guess who else Russia sold these S300's to? Iran 2 years ago.
Places to watch closely...Cyprus, Turkey, Georgia and the Balkans.
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/panicos-demetriades/battle-bank/20120318
[snip]
A BIG political battle is being fought over the future of the Central Bank governor Athanassios Orphanides, whose term expires at the end of
April. With just six weeks left, it remains unclear whether the government will give him a second term. Under normal circumstances, if the governor was not going to be re-appointed, the name of his successor would have already been announced...
...It is no secret that Christofias and AKEL want Orphanides, who has been a thorn in the side of the government, to go. For a government that does not tolerate criticism at the best of times, having the governor of the Central Bank, regularly urging it to take measures to improve state finances, was impossible to take.
It must also hurt the government that the governor has been proved correct by events. Had it taken measures when he was calling for them, Cyprus might have been spared the financing problems it faces today, when it is unable to borrow money from the markets.
There were other public spats. Orphanides blocked government plans to sell off the Central Bank’s gold reserves, incurring the wrath of the then finance minister Charilaos Stavrakis. The governor also questioned the government’s appointment to the Central Bank board of Marios Klitou, the head of an auditing firm with an international client list, on the grounds that there was a conflict of interest.
Klitou and other government appointees, on the Central Bank board responded by questioning the authority of the governor, insisting that all his decisions should be subject to board approval. The dispute went to the Supreme Court which a few weeks ago ruled that the governor was constitutionally empowered to take decisions without consulting the Central Bank board.
Mosin Nagant
I got the new IPad!!
...prophetic.
And there's that...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/edwin-black/obama-national-defense-resourc...
Barack Obama Prepares for War FootingLast Friday, March 16, President Barack Obama may have quietly placed the United States on a war preparedness footing, perhaps in anticipation of an outbreak of war between Israel, the West, and Iran. A newly-propounded Executive Order, titled "National Defense Resources Preparedness," civil renews and updates the president's power to take control of all energy supplies, including oil and natural gas, control and restrict all civil transportation, which is almost 97 percent dependent upon oil; and even provides the option to re-enable a draft in order to achieve both the military and non-military demands of the country, according to a simple reading of the text.
Draft we can believe in.
If we lose 2 million barrels per day, or 10 percent, for a protracted period, government crisis monitors say the chaos will be so catastrophic, they cannot even model it. One government oil crisis source recently told me: "We cannot put a price tag on it. If it happens, just cash in your 401(k)."
Don't bother me with this trivial stuff, I have NCAA brackets to tend to.
>If we lose 2 million barrels per day, or 10 percent, for a protracted period, government crisis monitors say the chaos will be so catastrophic, they cannot even model it.
Of course they can't model it. They can't even model whether I'm going to buy a Big & Tasty or a Fish Filet the next time I walk into McDonalds. Silly econometricists.
Google knows.
You should stay out of mcdons it makes you post stupid shit, like wanting to kill brown people, wait you already did , well there you have it folks you cannot fix stupid.
'If we lose 2 million barrels per day
or 10 percent, for a protracted period
government crisis monitors say the chaos will be so catastrophi,
they cannot even model it. '
bad days
in muppetvile
And then...
One government oil crisis source recently told me: "We cannot put a price tag on it. If it happens, just cash in your 401(k)."
LOL like they will allow that.