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Bachmann Wins Ames Straw Poll With 29% Of Vote, Ron Paul Takes Second With 28%

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Sun, 08/14/2011 - 06:11 | 1558501 CosmicBuddha
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So Ben Bernanke is not a Keynesian?

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 06:37 | 1558515 Medea
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Why do people like you wish everything to be simple? Is it because you genuinely dislike thinking?

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 08:02 | 1558552 spiral_eyes
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Bernanke is a perverted Keynesian, just like George Bush is a perverted conservative. Keynesian stimulus is explicitly about job creation and aggregate demand. QE & Obama's Stimulus are superficially about that, but really they are all about giving your money to rich people, which is why so few jobs have been created, and so little real or useful infrastructure has been created. 

Really, it's all about looting and pillaging, and the hyper-rich will use any and all ideologies in their quest to take your labour, take your money and do whatever the fuck they like. 

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 08:05 | 1558555 CosmicBuddha
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Well said spiral-eyes!

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:59 | 1558554 CosmicBuddha
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So what is your point then? Or is it simply to criticise without offering anything of substance in reply? 


How on earth do you know what I wish? I merely point out that central planning of interest rates and the money supply is doomed to fail. Whether it is called Keynesianism or not is irrelevant. If you disagree with this point then say so, with your reasons, and we can have a debate.


It is you who seems unwilling or unable to think.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 06:35 | 1558514 Medea
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Your thought process and terminology are so damned confused. Try to be coherent when you want to make bold, unsupported statements about "reality."

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 11:38 | 1558557 CosmicBuddha
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"Reality", in the sense that I use it here, is the reality of the market place. That is that millions of people interacting within a free market determine a fair price both for goods and services as well as the price of money itself, i.e. the interest rate. Interfering with the money supply and interest rates interferes with the pricing mechanism and the "reality" of a free market. We are told we live in a free market capitalist system, this is therefore the "reality" I refer to. The fact that there is not a free market with respect to money therefore flies in the face of this "reality".


I hope this clarifies what I meant.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 23:04 | 1558220 navy62802
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Correction - A lot of people are having (not going to have) a really bad decade. The future is that their "really bad decade" is only going to get worse if we continue traveling down the road we've been on for the past several decades.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 07:27 | 1558533 Withdrawn Sanction
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Has it ever occurred to you that voting for the worst candidate may be the best option now?

And Im sure you've followed that thought to its logical conclusion.  That is, by voting for the lesser of two evils....one is still voting for (and enabling) evil.   Stop empowering your enslavers.  Stop participating in the fraud that is voting.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 20:20 | 1557846 Michael
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Dr Ron Paul placed second within a cunt hair of Michelle Backmann in todays Aims Iowa straw poll.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 20:23 | 1557855 whaletail
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+150 kinky hairs

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 20:29 | 1557866 Michael
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If Ron Paul actually wins the Presidency in 2012, I would strongly recommend he lock himself in Cheyenne Mountain Complex for at least 6 months while implementing cuts and slashing the size of government.

Cheyenne mountain complex - short documentation


Sat, 08/13/2011 - 20:40 | 1557904 snowball777
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No need to worry yourself about that.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 20:43 | 1557910 Miss Expectations
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Or, set up operations in the gold vault at the NY Fed... 50 feet below sea level in the bedrock of Manhattan.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 20:53 | 1557944 caerus
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maybe he could borrow steve jobs' moon fortress...

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 23:01 | 1558210 TwelfthVulture
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It's probably pretty spacious down there.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 03:15 | 1558438 blunderdog
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If I'm unanimously chosen as Grand High Overlord of the Entire Universe tomorrow, I'll be sure to contact you and ask what my first acts should be.

Thanks in advance.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 21:27 | 1558045 ISEEIT
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I guess the only thing I like about you Michael is that you are consistent.

I dream of RP becoming our next President too. I also understand that it ain't gunna happen unless we are willing to spill blood. Lot's of blood.

And mostly our own.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 22:05 | 1558122 Imminent Crucible
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You need not worry about Ron Paul ever winning a Presidential election.  There's a reason the polling places have been fitted out with Diebold electronic ballot machines. It's not to keep chads off the floor.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 14:13 | 1559165 Problem Is
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Vote flipping Diebold election fraud is exactly how "Spineless" Hairy Reid got re-elected... That and his son was a county commissioner in Clark county... the largest county in Nevada...

Videos Caught Reid in Vote Flipping Election Fraud
Numerous early voting seniors complained that the Diebold screen had Douche-Bag Reid already checked or would flip to Reid when they tried to save and exit the screen... Youtube videos were uploaded to verify the Reid election fraud....

And his Douche bag son paid a record fine of $25k for funneling illegal campaign contributions into his governor bid to circumvent campaign contribution limits... 

The "Spineless" Reid Family
Douche Bags one and all... Flip'em like pancakes you spineless bitch Reid...

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 22:32 | 1558171 Michael
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It's not about winning, it's about spreading the message and waking people up.

It's about voting for your own principals as opposed to massaging your ego and voting for whom the MSM tells you who can and can't win.

I don't care who TV personalities say can't win. I can still Vote for Dr Ron Paul and feel good about doing it.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 15:13 | 1559290 slewie the pi-rat
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that's right!  and if he can't with the R nomination, maybe he can take over Peace & Freedom.  oh, wait!  that ralphie nader's ticked, that's where i put the #2 pencil to my ballot, back in '08.

maybe paul would consider the vice-presidency

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 20:11 | 1557817 dwdollar
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Personally I don't want Ron Paul to win because it's already to late to save this country and I don't want him to take the blame for what is about to happen.. We are trapped in a Keynesian death spiral and there is no way out. It's an express train to a complete and total collapse.

Let the RINOs and Liberals argue about what to cut (defense or entitlements). It's a waste of time to convince them otherwise because it's already too late! Save yourself and prepare for The Greater Depression.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 20:19 | 1557844 spiral_eyes
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ending all the wars, and stopping all the corporatist/bailout spending, dropping corporation tax for manufacturers to 0, defaulting on a portion of the debt and ending all the wasteful shit like the department of education would be a damn good start at stopping the death spiral. imagine if all that military-industrial complex bomb-building infrastructure was converted to making things people need? massive boost.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 20:31 | 1557862 dwdollar
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How are you going to convince the people to do that?  It's not going to happen.  That's WHY it's too late.  Sure, things could always be undone WITH the consent of the people, but you're never going to get that consent.

The economy has to blow out and people have to live in true poverty (the kind where you are hungry) for at least a generation so their dependence is severed.  Only after their dependence is severed, will people agree that big government is bad.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 20:42 | 1557899 spiral_eyes
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eisenhower warned us of this 50 years ago, and gave us the answer: an awake and informed citizenry. it looked bad in the 80s and 90s when we started accumulating all this debt but you know what? — we now have this incredible tool of information technology to expose the fallacies of the krugmanites, the corruption of murdoch and enron and the largesse of every fucking corporation who sucks from the teat of the taxpayer.

the pre-industrial feudal lords tried to hold back progress for so, so long. but you know what? corruption and loot-and-pillage-economics sucks for everyone, in the long run. cause econ isn't zero sum. so after the industrial revolution finally took place, well today most americans live better (in many, but not all ways) than kings and queens did in the old world. what would henry viii done for net access, a texas steakhouse and youporn?

of course, it's made our minds fat and stupid. the aware and informed may have the tools to wake up the stupefied but it still isn't easy. you may be right everything has to fuck up and we have to have some kind of reconstruction. but let's at least try to help the situation and get the reforms we need to plod through.

what the fuck have we got to lose? our real identities — and the fact we read zero hedge and whatever other insidious anti-establishment propaganda — are all on record in at&t data centres and the pentagon black box rooms. 

so who gives a fuck?

be the change you wish to see. 

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 20:50 | 1557924 dwdollar
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Sure, I'll vote for Ron Paul out of principle, but it won't matter.  There's no way Paul can survive without talk radio behind him.  Perry and/or Palin is the likely ticket.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 21:00 | 1557963 spiral_eyes
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there's another scenario that could come out of ron paul finishing a solid second behind perry:

paul/ventura as the anti-war, anti-bailout, pro-liberty independent ticket. paul isn't at home with the republicans. maybe his son is, but ron is better off as an independent.

split the neocon "do whatever the mainstream media says" pro-bailout pro-wall streeter corporatist vote! need ross perot, the koch brothers and god damn anyone else with $$$ who claims to care about liberty to get behind that if it happens.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 21:16 | 1558021 navy62802
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Now there's an interesting thought. Who would Paul actually choose as a running mate? Peter Schiff? Judge Napolitano?

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 21:47 | 1558088 smore
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How about Alex Jones?  He seems more suited for the zombie apocalyse just over the horizon.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 21:58 | 1558108 KowPie
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Hell, he should pick Bachmann. With his intellect and her fried dog gobbling ability, they couldn't lose!

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 03:08 | 1558433 Judge Holden
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He's spoken highly of Gary Johnson in the past.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 03:37 | 1558450 John_Coltrane
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Yes, that would be a great choice.  Johnson did a great job a NM governor.  Tried to decriminalize pot and lowered tax rates as promished.  A self-made guy and independent thinker.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 03:16 | 1558439 blunderdog
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Sun, 08/14/2011 - 06:13 | 1558504 NoClueSneaker
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Hm, RP gave that answer b4. Dennis Kucinich ...

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 12:36 | 1559015 Bam_Man
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Admiral Stockdale.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 07:44 | 1558539 Withdrawn Sanction
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There's no way Paul can survive without talk radio behind him

Good point.  I noticed on Friday the Right Wing Radio Ranters became enraged whenever Ron Paul was mentioned.  They were especially outraged about his calls to end the endless trifecta of wars.  The bloodlust of these guys was as palpable as it was unbalanced, and shows them to be conservatives in the truest sense of that word:  i.e., preservers of the status quo.

The Ranters never challenged RP's positions on the issues, they just issued invective and character assasination.  All of which is a very interesting telltale b/c it shows (a) the Neocons have no rational answers to RP's ideas, and (b) they're scared (terrified actually) that he might be right and they might be wrong, and (c) that even the sheeple of Iowa may be waking up to that fact.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 09:21 | 1558587 Widowmaker
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Give me a break. The people in Iowa are drunk and fast asleep at the wheel, just like always. You have not been paying attention for the last 40 years.

Is that shit filled twinkee in her mouth from Exxon or Goldshlepp Sachstein?

Drill, drill, drill or Israel? You know the answer, the people lose, which is the only thing on the ballot.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 09:45 | 1558618 dwdollar
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"They were especially outraged about his calls to end the endless trifecta of wars."

Don't forget their endless squawking about Iran. I suppose they want to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities? What do they plan on using to gain air superiority against an advanced air defense system provided by Russia and China? Maybe they haven't realized but BOTH the F22 and F35 are grounded indefinitely with technical problems. The military is stretched to it's max and new funding is tight. Iran is a perfect setup for an embarrassing bloody nose provided by Russia and China.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 01:30 | 1558377 Libertarian777
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If he wins I think he will surprise everyone at how quickly we can find a bottom and how quickly the free market will restore economic freedom to everyone once competing currencies are legalized.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 21:05 | 1557979 pesamystik
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Romney is a "venture capitalist" ergo he is ok in the neocon playbook. I have noticed a massive media diversion surrounding Paul as well. Every article I read he barely gets a mention, even after he came so close to winning. I have no doubt that if he even had a chance of becoming president, he would be taken out. The Jews of America will not let him win, along with their plutocrat bed buddies.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 22:29 | 1558165 DeadFred
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Last time around the media would report the election results right up to the person who finished just ahead ahead of Ron Paul. The headlines tomorrow will say Bachman wins and talk about the 'favorites' who weren't in the race, but you'll have to dig to find out who else was running and how they fared.

Despite the fact it's too late to turn the ship around, Paul would be the best person in charge when we need to transition between this kleptocracy and whatever comes next. Hope that he wins.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 22:01 | 1558113 KowPie
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Wow. That one could be seriously Photo Shopped into a super viral pic seen round the world. Her handlers must have been selected by her oposition. Crazy as a moonbat.

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 22:46 | 1558192 Heroic Couplet
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Heh. I always say Barack Obama has a sense of humor that goes right over the top of most of most people's heads.

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 02:55 | 1558424 Byte Me
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What can one say?


What a patsy...

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 06:22 | 1558509 NoClueSneaker
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WB7 would need 10 secs ... but methinks s1 else should do the job ....

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 22:10 | 1558134 Kali
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I wish Molly Ivins was still around to see Rick Perry and Bachmann.  She must be rollin in her grave.?  She used to knock Bush, Perry too, bet she never dreamed Perry may be Prez too

Sun, 08/14/2011 - 01:07 | 1558356 dark pools of soros
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Don't piss on the Rommel name

Sat, 08/13/2011 - 20:00 | 1557793 gmj
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