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Believe In A Return To The Gold Standard? You Are Now Officially An Extremist According To The FBI
Just when we thought the US could not sink any further in its usurpation of civil rights, here comes the FBI to advise all those who tend to think that the broken economic model of the past century is the cause for the global insolvency, that wanton fiat diluation and reckless debt issuance does not 'fix' the problem of uber-leverage, and that the gold standard is the proper way to return to monetary stability, will henceforth be considered extremists. From Reuters: "Anti-government extremists opposed to taxes and regulations pose a growing threat to local law enforcement officers in the United States, the FBI warned on Monday. These extremists, sometimes known as "sovereign citizens," believe they can live outside any type of government authority, FBI agents said at a news conference." And the most epic line ever written: "The extremists may refuse to pay taxes, defy government environmental regulations and believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard." So... the US did not go bankrupt by going off the gold standard? But why did the US "go bankrupt" then? We are confused.
Undesirable #1:
The insanity continues:
Routine encounters with police can turn violent "at the drop of a hat," said Stuart McArthur, deputy assistant director in the FBI's counterterrorism division.
"We thought it was important to increase the visibility of the threat with state and local law enforcement," he said.
In May 2010, two West Memphis, Arkansas, police officers were shot and killed in an argument that developed after they pulled over a "sovereign citizen" in traffic.
Last year, an extremist in Texas opened fire on a police officer during a traffic stop. The officer was not hit.
Legal convictions of such extremists, mostly for white-collar crimes such as fraud, have increased from 10 in 2009 to 18 each in 2010 and 2011, FBI agents said.
"We are being inundated right now with requests for training from state and local law enforcement on sovereign-related matters," said Casey Carty, an FBI supervisory special agent.
FBI agents said they do not have a tally of people who consider themselves "sovereign citizens."
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Sovereign members often express particular outrage at tax collection, putting Internal Revenue Service employees at risk.
Maybe it is not too late to be a beggar in Greece. At least there one is allowed to think anything as to why the country is completely broke and the population is living under "absolute poverty" without fear of being deemed a "sovereign citizen" and getting arrested at the drop of a hat.
And for those who still care about facts, below is a chart of global debt since the world formally and terminally went off the gold standard back on August 15, 1971:
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Politicians own gold. Bankers own gold. You should own gold. The only debatable question is: "how much?"
Fucking fascist FBI. Down in NZ they engineered the arrest bny our fascist police of Kim Dotcom. Talk about using a sledgehammer to crack a walnut. SEVENTY armed tactical assault officers. And no bail for Mr Dotcom. Meanwhile Jon Corzine wanders around free as a bird. Fuck the FBI.
Rand Paul's name is currently being used to promote a fairly aggressive pro-gun rights campaign. Seems to me, the FBI through their Reuters memo is trying to intimidate gun owners. Threaten these guys? Why would the FBI do that?
Yeah, that is a good point. The FBI can no longer tackle gun ownership directly (there's just too many people who own guns anymore). Instead they can try to divide them and get them to turn on each other.
Whitehall 1212 please operator.............
What about if you believe taxes are irrelevent because we continually borrow and print? Set the tax rate to zero, you ain't gonna pay off the debt whether I pay taxes or not.
Am I an extremist for believing that, or is it the guns, PMs, and food and water supplies that make me one?
There are several options open to move bullion out of the U.S. at this time. Moving 1,000 ounces of gold in one move, would be too risky in my opinion. First, my FBI relative has updated me that the U.S. has no directive to stop the exit of gold or silver as part of the $10,000 in cash allowed by each person to leave the U.S. with. That means that bullion coins and bars are investments as stated by Bernanke and not money.
1. Anyone can board an international flight with gold coins or silver bars without stating it is part of your $10,000. dollar limit. I would not take more than 30 ounces of gold per person per flight. Simply have them in clear plastic tubes that you place in the tray to be scanned with your other pocket items. The viewing inspector may ask to see them up close and that is it. They will be given back to you to carry aboard. I have done this personally. It is important to check the laws of the nation you are flying to to make sure 30 ounces are allowed in at a time.
2. The easiest way to move alot of bullion out of the U.S. is by cruise liner. All American departure ports have private security that inspects all items brought aboard. Carrying 100 ounces in tubes in your pockets is easy. You might be asked why you have it. A simple reply is that you plan to trade it for other rare coins with another passinger. Silver bars, the same way. Now, at any stop during the cruise, you can simply carry off all of it in a dive bag and there are no inspections of any excersion bags leaving the ship or entering another country for a cruise line day stop. You can either prearrang to leave your bullion with a trusting person or simply leave the cruise and fly home after storing it. If you leave the ship, all you have to do is call the line and tell them you missed the departure. They will pack and send your items left onboard to your home address. I have done this also. Using this method, simply travel light if you plan to not reboard.
3. If you can afford it, you can charter a private plane to take you to a nearby country that has lax inspections. Many Island nations have tiny airports with one inspector on duty.
4. You can drive to Canada with bullion hidden in your vehicle and easily clear both sides of customs by stating you are on vacation and then either store your bullion in Canadian vaults prearranged or take a flight from Canada carrying your bullion with you to another country.
5. You can charter a sailboat or power boat one way to travel from Miami to Nassau or Paradise Island for a day trip and either store your bullion there or take a flight to another country.
6. You can drive to Mexico with hidden bullion and then take a flight to another country. Although still possible, this method has the most risk. I have heard of the U.S. customs finding bullion and not allowing it through and of Mexican criminals stealing it on their side. I do not know how true this is.
7. If you own alot of bullion, you can sell all of it, wire the money to your country of choice and reinvest in bullion there. This option will leave a paper trail that will reach U.S. authorities but, if you are willing to pay up to rebuy bullion, it still works and you will own bullion out of the U.S..
8. If you are extremely well connected and favors are owed to you, anyone with diplomatic immunity can carry all the gold and silver you own almost anywhere in the world without any custom inspections. I am sure the super rich have diplomates transfer wealth for them whenever they want it transferred.
9. If you have a very close relationship with any church official, dressed in clergy clothes, they can carry out even 200 ounces of gold in a small case stating it is church property that they are transferring to another church branch. No U.S. customs agent will stop a religious official with gold or silver in hand leaving the U.S. at this time. Upon entry, most nations will not tax or place limits on wealth being brought to a church in their country.
There are two other ways I know of but, I will not mention them here or anywhere.
All of the above are still possible. Some are not possible for everyone and others depend on who you know and trust. There is no professional shipping service that I would trust with shipping my bullion abroad.
Now, storing it safely is a totally different challenge. I have family members living abroad with excellent home safes. In my case, I simply carried my bullion off a plane and off a ship to them for secure storage. Most third world countries do not have safe deposit boxes or trusting private vaults to use. You will have to either have real person contacts or research which countries have reputable vaults that do not share info with the U.S. government. For most Americans, Private secure Canadian vaults are the easiest to use. You may not be able to relocate all of your bullion to the country of your choice but storing it in more than one country has advantages. The important thing is 100% access and no paper trail to the U.S..
I offer no advice on which method is the best. It all depends on the amount you want to move and how much you are willing to spend to protect it and on your network of personal connections. I will share that smaller amounts carried out by two or more family members each, attract the least attention.
Eventually, the U.S. will not allow bullion to exit the country. How much time is left to move it out is unknown. The old saying applies, it is better to be a year early than a day late.
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Just put out a press release of who is not an extremist: K street, some on Wall Street (the 0.1%'s), and any government official who can be bought.
Somebody is getting nervousssss..........why else would this statement be made public. They scared the sheep with 9-11, they then started on the road to kill the free-man, scare and erode has been the mantra, so far so good.
This time, not so much. A pocket full of gold will let you go and do anything you desire and TPTB are not liking the liquidity that PM's hold and the fact that most of it that you hold can't be accounted for on a continuous basis.......if you sold outside of the accounting, the tracking is lost, not to mention the numerous boating accidents that have taken place.
They also do not like joe sixpack holding the real thing waiting to cash in when the markets crash......no transfer of wealth, if it can be stopped. There will always be buyer and sellers, on the books or off the books.
I will take my chances with the metals.....two to live on and one to protect it.
They are scared shitless.
They are waking up to find themselves on the wrong side of history.
Poor fuckers, they took the easy way out into a dead end.
It's all because of Chinese citizenism!
blobbers
running dog crypto-fascist imperialists.
FBI: Paying Cash For a Cup of Coffee a ‘Potential Indicator of Terrorist Activity’
Advisory aimed at Internet Cafe owners characterizes mundane behavior as “suspicious activity”
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Tuesday, February 7, 2012
An FBI advisory aimed at Internet Cafe owners instructs businesses to report people who regularly use cash to pay for their coffee as potential terrorists.
The flyer, issued under the FBI’s Communities Against Terrorism (CAT) program, lists examples of “suspicious activity” and then encourages businesses to gather information about individuals and report them to the authorities.“Each flyer is designed for a particular kind of business,” writes Linda Lewis, a former policy analyst and planner for the U.S. government. “For example, this list was prepared for owners of internet cafes. Unquestionably, someone planning a terrorist attack has engaged in one or more of the “suspicious” activities on that list. But so, too, have most of the estimated 289 million computer users in this country.”
Indeed, the flyer aimed at Internet Cafe owners characterizes customers who “always pay cash” as potential terrorists.
Of course, the vast majority of people who visit Internet Cafes use cash to pay their bill. Who uses a credit card to buy a $2 dollar cup of coffee? A lot of smaller establishments don’t even accept credit cards for amounts less than $10 dollars.
Other examples of suspicious behavior include using a “residential based Internet provider” such as AOL or Comcast, the use of “anonymizers, portals, or other means to shield IP address” (these are routinely used by mobile web users to bypass public Internet filters), “Suspicious communications using VOIP,” and “Preoccupation with press coverage of terrorist attack” (this would apply to the vast majority of people who work in the news or political blogging industry).
Searching for information about “police” or “government” is also listed as a potential indication of terrorism, as is using a computer to “obtain photos, maps or diagrams of transportation, sporting venues, or populated locations,” which would apply to virtually anyone who uses Google Maps or Google Earth.
People who may wish to keep private the contents of a personal email or an online credit card purchase by attempting to”shield the screen from view of others” are also characterized as potential terrorists.
Business owners who spot patrons engaging in these types of activities are encouraged to call the FBI’s Joint Regional Intelligence Center (JRIC), after first gathering information on license plates, names, ethnicity, and languages spoken.
In total, there are 25 different CAT flyers aimed at businesses from across the spectrum – everything from hobby shops to tattoo parlors.
As we have documented on numerous occasions, the federal government routinely characterizes mundane behavior as extremist activity or a potential indicator of terrorist intent. As part of its ‘See Something, Say Something’ campaign, the Department of Homeland Security educates the public that generic activities performed by millions of people every day, including using a video camera, talking to police officers, wearing hoodies, driving vans, writing on a piece of paper, and using a cell phone recording application,” are potential signs of terrorist activity.
The CAT program again underscores how federal authorities are empowering poorly trained citizens to become terrorist hunters, stoking fears that America is sinking deeper into a Stasi-style informant society. Last week we reported on how the DHS had trained hot dog sellers and other vendors to spot terrorists at this past weekend’s Super Bowl event.
FBI - Federal Bureau of Imbeciles
Jumping Jesus on a pogo stick! You mean to tell me that all the time I have been getting pissed off at pikers who pay for a three dollar latte with a credit card as an indicator of the decline of our society that in reality I was the menace to society for laying so-called legal tender on the counter?
Your papers please!
Where does reality end and the onion begin? Line is really blurring by the day!
Going off the gold standard had nothing to do with bankrupting anyone!
What caused it was when people made the decision to print unlimited fiat and unlimited bad credit.
Don't blame anyone but the political elite and the banksters they allowed to run amuck with the financial system.
Screw what "they" want. I'm going to write in Ron Paul!
Gold standard prevented the print unless the gold value matched. Ya can't print the real thing.
But you can dip bars in gold. Jus sayin.
Andrew Jackson's skeletal remains for President 2012.
"He killed the central banks before, he can do it again..."
FBI: Paying Cash For a Cup of Coffee a ‘Potential Indicator of Terrorist Activity’
Wonder where they get the off-the-wall thoughts? Watch out if you have young boys around them.
http://hnn.us/articles/814.html
How many dress up in dresses?
Did J. Edgar Hoover Really Wear Dresses?
Hoover allegedly responded,"Good evening." She said she saw Hoover go into a bedroom and take off his skirt. There,"young blond boys" worked on him in bed. Later, as Hoover and Cohn watched, Lewis Rosenstiel had sex with the young boys.
A year later, Susan claimed, she again saw Hoover at the Plaza. This time, the director was wearing a red dress. Around his neck was a black feather boa. He was holding a Bible, and he asked one of the blond boys to read a passage as another boy played with him.
Good thing we have the FBI on the job to protect us from all that "extremist" white collar crime ... Makes it easier to look out foR M13 and the other gang-bangers when you don't have to keep looking over your shoulders for the Gold-bug Gang.
http://www.infowars.com/infowars-issues-emergency-terror-alert/
BTW, how did Greenland get sucked into the red so much earlier than it's European masters?
because a donut with no holes... Is a danish!
A hard money standard doesn't need to be a gold standard... better if it was a mix (silver, gold, copper, oil etc.)
Gold is best because it is not consumed(as much)
Obama 2012, 2016, etc.
I travelled alone to Miami from my home in Central America last week. The last time I flew in with my family was right before the body scanners went active. Everyone was bitching and criticizing the TSA. This time the lines were completely silent and almost nobody made eye contact with their handlers. Sad but not surprising.
As I watched my fellow travelers I was reminded that many dogs get this kind of look after they've been beaten a lot. A few bite but most do not.
My wife and I had already decided our two small children would never be trained to accept humiliation as patriotic and now I doubt if I will return to the country I love.
Wow! I guess my believing in a return to the Confederate Dollar makes me a real persona-non-grata!
Duplicate
After all, the South was right!
We'd be broke on the gold standard too. And gently caress you FBI!
I will accept the FBI labelling me an extremist as a badge of honor from this point forward. Now I have even more of a reason to preach sound money and freedom from the slavery of debt in the pulpit of my small, rural churches. For me and the people I work with to care for the needs of the struggling, wisdom in managing, saving, and spending money without materialism taking over purpose is a key part of our current psyche. It becomes interesting times when wisdom and responsibility become the bane of our government.
Here Here...This is all just a bunch of nonsense...
I've thought for sometime those guys advertising "Cash for Gold" were extremist's. I mean look how they dress in those satin gold suits.
Amerika! Fukk Yea!
Once all the morons are done voting for Schmitt Rommel or Barrage ....O'bummer, can you send Ron Paul to Australia.
Ron Paul for Prime Minister 2012.
Help us Obi-Ron, your our only hope.
According to me also.
The IMF is thinking about popularizing what they created, the Special Drawing Rights that may be based on a basket of currencies (USD, Euro, RMB) and commodities wsuch as gold.
SDRs have been around a long time but have not been used much until now due to the serious global financial problems.
dupe sorry
No
taxes and the irs are merely appurtenant to the
federal reserve act. when that is devolved the
subject of financing government will be revisited
from an entirely different state.
check this.
http://academic.udayton.edu/race/02rights/jcrow02.htm
jim crow laws
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Juvenile Delinquents There shall be separate buildings, not nearer than one fourth mile to each other, one for white boys and one for negro boys. White boys and negro boys shall not, in any manner, be associated together or worked together. Florida
Mental Hospitals The Board of Control shall see that proper and distinct apartments are arranged for said patients, so that in no case shall Negroes and white persons be together. Georgia
Intermarriage It shall be unlawful for a white person to marry anyone except a white person. Any marriage in violation of this section shall be void. Georgia
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Jim Crow Legislation Overview
By Susan Falck, M.A., Research Associate
California State University--Northridge, California
"There is no wonder that we die," an Alabama woman sighed,
"The wonder is that we persist in living."
http://www.jimcrowhistory.org/resources/lessonplans/hs_es_jim_crow_laws.htm
"..Growing up, these children learned that their lives were equally restricted outside the classroom. They were forbidden from sharing a bus seat with a white passenger or to ride in the same compartment of a train. They were denied access to public parks and restaurants, and, in some states, were forced to enter public amusements like the circus through a separate entrance. Black movie theater patrons were seated in the balcony, separated from white customers in what was commonly referred to as "Nigger heaven." When they went to work, African Americans were forced to use separate entrances and bathrooms and to collect their paychecks at separate windows. Even in death, legislation ensured that the races would remain separate. Several states prohibited hearses from carrying both races, and cemeteries were required to maintain separate graveyards. "....
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http://archive.wbai.org/
Tuesday February 7 5:00pm
starting at 3:00 pm / 4:00 pm.
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lots to learn here concerning slavery, law, "money", and eco-nomics. (double-
speak).
there are dynamics and advantages of slavery and there are perceived
skin color differences, they may have been associated for a time in
history or still today but they are entirely different manifestations.
the association is of some convenience to power. the value of slavery
is the issue of importance and regardless of your color you will be the victim
untill this has been cleared up.
end the fed! (slave masters).
do not let the shit heads define the frame of discourse or meaning
of words. they are desperate. you know a shit head by their ease at
access to mass media. the easier the access, frequent appearance, the greater
the shit head. notice niall ferguson's recent war rant. he is so slimy he had to
frame his discourse as a rebuttal to statements in favor of caution. what a pimp/
whore, he appears to be both. more fiat money!
why not just proclaim "we can kill them and steal their birthright"! not the
english approach? no, it is not the correct rhetoric.
we sovereign citizens do not dispise law, we despise these lawless and murderous
liars known as the "elites", "leadership" as it is known today.
f.ing stupid fbi? are they really stupid or just suffering from bad
public relations and "leadership"? hoover's boyz, wake up ! your savings,
pensions and children's liberties will be stolen too, in good time.
keyword: federal. ( it is being destroyed ) no?
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Glenn Greenwald: On Morning Joe, Niall Ferguson makes a sociopathic case for attack on Iran, while 4 journalists sit there passively
Posted on February 6, 2012 by maxkeiser
http://maxkeiser.com/2012/02/06/glenn-greenwald-on-morning-joe-niall-fer...
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end the federal reserve act, the federal reserve bank, all
things derived from the federal reserve and its board and notes.
it is all a fraud and deserves no consideration, all of it.
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Get A Job-The Silhouettes-original song-1957
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbGthv-dJp4
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http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/muddy-waters/video/strange-woman_1000006.html
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gratuitous links for the fed.
. can't avoid this ...can't resist this
The Master Speaks: Keen2012GoogleTalks
Posted on February 7, 2012 by maxkeiser
http://maxkeiser.com/2012/02/07/the-master-speaks-keen2012googletalks/
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all with grains of ....................................................
Bear in mind that law enforcement will disqualify new applicants if they have too high an iq.
Exactly. Now place that fact side-by-side with the recent study on the roots of prejudice, entitled: "Bright Minds and Dark Attitudes: Lower Cognitive Ability Predicts Greater Prejudice Through Right-Wing Ideology and Low Intergroup Contact."
If Obama gets another 4 yrs we are done. I'm convinced now. Look at the stance now against the Catholic church. Or Fast and Furious. Or Jon Corzine and MFGlobal. How about NDAA, SOPA, PIPA. Wow, just wow.
I never voted for Obama but I never saw this coming. He is much more of a leftist than I ever thought. Any questions have been answered.
Leftist? He's a fucking bloody Vampire.
Thumbs up on your post!
Well goverment workers pensions are so bloated. It'll be nice to see those fucktards holding that fiat paper. Wondering wether to shit or go blind. When the soverign's tried warning them. Of exactly what was taking place.
Not to mention a lot of people think federal, state, and local government hacks of all varieties will be ducking for cover in the near future...
"United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard"
US went bankrupt because its people voted (via its elected politicians) to spend money on shit they could not afford.
Going off the gold standard just helped this happen
being an global empire and being bankrupt
are the same thing, everything else is
just addition and subtraction.
"The extremists may refuse to pay taxes, defy government environmental regulations and believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard"
check
check
check
Hat Trick!
If my stolen cache of Capones' arsenal didn't put me on that list... my +1 for your post probably did.
Those FBI guys are some durty muther fuckers. I know.
Dem the facts!
Goldbugs talking is just romantic bullshit. If US government and economy would collapse, major cities would be in trouble after one week and after two weeks it would be total mayhem Katrina style.
One example from the past of similar situation: Airlift of West Berlin 1948-1949:
" British Air Commodore Reginald Waite had calculated the resources required to support the entire city. His calculations indicated that they would need to supply seventeen hundred calories per person per day, giving a grand total of 646 (metric) tons of flour and wheat, 125 tons of cereal, 64 tons of fat, 109 tons of meat and fish, 180 tons of dehydrated potatoes, 180 tons of sugar, 11 tons of coffee, 19 tons of powdered milk, 5 tons of whole milk for children, 3 tons of fresh yeast for baking, 144 tons of dehydrated vegetables, 38 tons of salt and 10 tons of cheese. In total, 1,534 tons were needed DAILY to keep the over two million people alive. Additionally, the city needed to be kept heated and powered, which would require another 3,475 tons of coal and gasoline...
By the end of August, after only one month, the Airlift was succeeding; daily operations flew more than 1,500 flights a day and delivered more than 4,500 tons of cargo, enough to keep West Berlin supplied"
That is 45000 flights per MONTH! Even today with Lockheed C-5 it would require 37 flights per day and for New York about 150 flights to keep all 8 million alive with minimum of 1700 calories per day plus additional medicine, gasoline etc etc.
You need to learn the source of wealth. Money does not cause wealth. Productive people cause wealth.
Great story by the way thanks for sharing it.
Gold represents freedom, prosperity, truth, and an honest government accountable to it's people. Things that are completely incompatible in modern Crony Amerika. If you ever look at an old gold/silver coin just look at all the symbols and words that are stamped in the gold and silver which represent these ideals. It's evidence so they need to confiscate it and melt it into big plain bars so none of the sheep can find out how they've been screwed so bad.
The steel from the WTC was quickly placed on a boat to South Korea for further melting down...
Actually, I think it was a "fast" boat to China. Given the presence of nano-thermite not sure how much further melting was necessary by the time the steel got to the Far East.
"The far east is both" --Unkkkkkn
That is just Wild West romantics, an era that never even existed. Gold bars can be quite easily faked with tungsten and modern material technology so that density measurements alone do not work. So for dealing with gold you would have to have some electric aka modern day measurement tool. Or you could risk receiving tons of faked Chinese gold bars all over the country.
Very romantic. The "wild west" saw the biggest increase in living standard in the shortest amount of time . Living in 1850 US vs 1910 US If you cant see that Timmay I nor anyone can help you.
And your point on counterfeting? I just saw a show on a dude who got busted counterfeting 100 dollar bills (2 million plus) with an HP printer. The only way they caught him was he used the same bill over and over. I am sure you will now tell me it is even easier to counterfeit tungsten bars
Keep spouting off what you hear but dont understand.
Even with gold coins and bars you would have to start using anti-counterfeiting methods, maybe putting hologram tags, special paint etc etc.
So in the end that gold coin or bar in the race with counterfeiters would be just another "note" like that 100 dollar bill expect really heavy and unpractical one. On top of checking the tags and printings you would have to actually check the "paper" aka gold itself whether it is fake or not. Back to square one.
Dumbest post I read all day.
I agree what a waste of space
It's extremely hard to counterfit coins minted for circulation in any convincing way Tim. That's why it's the perfect money and that's why we should mint all those gold bars in Fort Knox back into coins. Keep them safe with the people and free from counterfit. Thanks for helping me prove my point.
http://www.tungsten-alloy.com/en/alloy11.htm
"tungsten is environmental-friendly, durable and hardness, the most important is that its density of 19.25g/cm3 is just about the same density as gold (19.3g/cm3), which bears the similar specific gravity. These advantages make tungsten alloy jewelry enjoys the superiority to be the best substitute for the costly metal of gold or platinum. It is necessary to tell that tungsten gold-plated would not work for several reasons but a coin with a tungsten center and gold all around it could not be detected as counterfeit by density measurement alone."
Tim,
You're starting to piss me off. Have you ever held or even seen a Swiss or French Frank or a British Sovereign? There were millions of them in circulation and they basically served as half the world's supply of money. They are about as thick as a dime and the engraving on the dye is quite sophisticated and you can't electroplate something like that without it reeking of counterfeit. You just can't wrap your mind around giving people such control of their money.
You just can't wrap your mind around the fact gold bars and coins could be countefeited as easily as any paper note out there. In matter of fact, it would be easier than with notes because coins and bars do not have holograms, special and restricted wool based paper and other anti-counterfeiting methods.
The smell of the asian lady who sells counterfeit DVDs at the local laundromats and drives a BRAND NEW ESCALADE tells me you are on to something. The Chinese can fake the funk out of anything.
However it's quite easy to detect tungsten cored fake gold bars and coins, using electrical resistance, ultrasound or mechanical properties testing.
Fake gold coins might be a problem for individuals to check, but I'm pretty sure banks would install the necessary equipment the same day gold (and silver) were declared legal tender again.
So sorry, your argument is invalid. There is no reason why gold and silver could not be used as legal tender, and serve as a secure, non-debt-based, no counterparty risk, and free from government prying, store of wealth for the people.
Oh, apart from governments hating the idea, of course.
It's extremely hard to counterfit coins minted for circulation in any convincing way Tim.
A British Poind Coin was once considered to be very elaborate and counterfeit proof. It is now reckoned that 1 in 36 pound coins is counterfeit. Not that hard then.
Hahahahaha!
Slewie...Where are you? You got to get in on this! Dude!
i'm enjoying this, D_Z!
tim's ok. if PMs aren't for him, that doesn't make him a bad person or anything!
and there are counterfeits, always have been, and always will be, and w/ new laser and "toolmaking" capacities, if he doesn't want to put his toe in, it's still his toe!
people can go their whole lives w/out owning a molecule of phyzzz and be healthy, wealthy, and wize!
i don't think his link is about chinese counterfeit gold bars coming in here. the products are a jewelry "golden" alloy, and the one coin is bi-metallic, but it sure isn't counterfeit, it's an aussie commem!
the tungsten bars were dicovered in china and came from the US (allegedly) and any "resolution" has not been shared w/ slewie
possible-to-probable MAJOR clusterfuk in the bullion community w/ rumors of NY FED, ftKnox, crimex involvement
every assayist on the planet had plenty of work!
but maybe. before he dies, tim will go into a coin shop and buy a silver half-dollar for, like 12-13 bux or a $5 gold eagle for less than $200 and a silver eagle to go with it~~~all 3 coins for $250 and he might not feel like he got counterfeited, at all...
the good counterfeiters are gonna counterfeit not amazingly rare coins, but fairly rare, premium grade, numismatic "stoppers" like certain carsonCity morgans or a $15000 gold coin, but they should be good enough metallurgists to get the right metal content, since only copper is used in the alloys, as far as i know! the copper was used to make the business strikes last longer in circulation
but then they hafta "pass" the coin to a collector or numismatist, and some of the professional dealers know what to look for, microscopically
if the coin is sent for grading, will PCGS slab it as "authentic" if it isn't? yes, possibly, but not real often, i wouldn't think
now, when a dealer buys gold jewelry, he tests it by rubbing it onto a stone and putting a drop of acid on it to see the reaction
gold may weigh the same as tungsten but it has a different hardness, i think, too
the dealers, or anyone, can also use magnification, calipers to check exact diameter, and a lab scale to weigh the item
once, i had a coupla of spanish/mexican silver 8 reale "pieces of 8"; these are mentioned in the Consitution and are aka the "pillar dollar". so i showed them to a noted numismatist, not knowing much about them, and one of them was counterfeit. i had told him i had not been able to find this exact coin in any of the reference books, but had identified the other one. [so, maybe this was my ticket outa the ghetto? nope! a counterfeit!] but he didn't want me arrested or anything; these guys see phoney numismatic baloney every day!
now the US Trade dollar was used in trade w/ china and the chinese counterfeited the hell out them! and modern counterfeits, too! you could buy them a few years ago by grade and by the piece, the roll or the 100! how about 20 of the VF and 20 UNCIRC? be about 12$ each for the 40 and we'll pay the shipping. interested? not sure, but apparently if you tell somebody the coin isn't real, it's a square deal, and you can sell them at flea markets! e bay got quite a few of them too! L0L!!!
This is all getting dangerously close to spilling over...I'm 100% positive many at the FBI are taking this as a bad joke...I know a couple National Guard fellas' who both see all this jazz the last few years as just insane...These are the guys that eat, sleep, and breath guns and such...There's a lot more patriots (I mean extremists!) out there than you think...They'll have to bring in Foreign Mercenaries or Al-CIAda soldiers to really stop this if they press it all the way...
You meant to say foreign "peacekeepers"...
Oh Ya!! Thanks for the Semiotic upgrade....HAHAHA
There are 25,000,000 vets in the U. S. Time for the FBI employees to choose sides. We will show you the same mercy you have shown us. We are not afraid of you! We will squash you like the bugs that your are!
You are no longer Americans. You are stooges for the international banks. Does your family know what you do for a living? Your name will be a black blot on your family history for generations if you follow through with your tyranny. Think about it. Please join the side of liberty and good.
http://www.infowars.com/infowars-issues-emergency-terror-alert/
Get em' Tuco! Will they continue to underestimate you!?
"They know not the ways of Tuco!"
Deleuzian, my friend, unlike the cowards in the FBI you have chosen wisely!
There are a lot of NG soldiers who believe the Second is the Dead Man's Switch to eject tyranny. I guess Barry CIA will kill or lock them up unless they get off the grid fast enough. TPTB put Barry in for only 1 reason: The absolute destruction of America. If he wins, he moves up to UN World HMFIC status. He can win by openly overthrowing the govenment. If he gambles and loses, the ensuing civil war will destroy America anyway.
Either way, the slimy little bastard will have the streets knee deep in blood and the sky dark from the oven smoke.
My fear is that all of our soldiers will be sent to the middle east to fight WW3 (Iran). That will open the door for the militarized police and UN troops to enforce martial law. I trust my friends and family in the military a hell of a lot more than the police and the UN "peacekeepers".
The UN punks better bring a lot of body bags for their return trip home.
You asked for miracles, Theo, I give you the F-B-I...
for the 3 letter boys out there monitoring.....I am PRO environmental regulation and DO NOT believe the United States went bankrupt by going off the gold standard.
Gracias.
Also, I'd like to compliment the FBI on the fine job they did investigating 911. I particularly admired how they carefully gathered up all the wrecked airplane parts from the towers and pentagon rubble in dumpsters marked 'plane parts', then very wisely disposed of it all secretly somewhere, never to be heard of again. Good job! The last thing anyone who patriotically supported the government would want, would be any kind of checking of those parts for serial numbers, and comparing them against the actual airframe maintenance logs. Just because that checking has been a mandatory, legally required part of EVERY air disaster investigation in history, before and after 911, is no excuse to apply it in that one case. Because we *know* which planes those were. It would be entirely uncalled for and subversive to actually check.
And anyone who points to the airline's own records claiming some of those flights didn't actually fly that day, mentions that details of the government's published 'flight recorder data' are inconsistent and impossible, or that FAA records show some of the airframes supposedly involved to have been still registered and flying for years afterwards, or wonders about the multiple videos of tons of white-hot molten steel pouring in cascades from floors of the WTC just before the collapse, and from *below* where the planes hit, is a damned terrorist. Also scandalously disrespectful to the FBI. I mean it says right there - "federal bureau of INVESTIGATION." If there was anything at all suspicious to investigate regarding 911, the FBI would have been right onto it. Duh!
settle down
Excellent posts TerraHertz! Here's a little lagniappe in this regard:
http://www.opinion-maker.org/2012/01/aa-exposes-bushs-big-lie-flight-11-...
Anyone else notice that Indonesia's debt fell from 2000 to 2010, as did Argentina and Brazil?
This is going to be a fucking mess! Every last fucking one of these burocratic cocksuckers who were involved in any part of this, should immediately stand before a crowd of citizens and press to account for this blatent insult to the American people. These mother fuckers are not defending the people and constitution! Their own words show them for the bought out bastards they are.
There is going to be an incremental, ever expanding (at a measured pace) broadening of the definition of "terrorist" until it is inclusive enough to cover approximarely 100 percent of the population whereupon it will be used very selectively to deal with anyone at all critical of the Wall Street/Washington DC axis of mutual enrichment. At that point, open criticism of a John Corzine type insider or any federal government functionary might merit on a discretionary basis a "voluntary" interview with the FBI or Homeland Security whiile overhead a civil safety drone circles. If you are shaking your head NO you haven't been paying attention since 2001 or your Lamestream programming is fully functional and blocking any comprehension of what is happening daily in all our airports and on our highways.
Here is a direct quote from the current President of the United States
"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded." (emphasis added)
And at that point we'll be close to civil war. There will be many Federal employees turning up dead.
I know freedom isn't free..... but this is crazy..... 15 trillion and I'll I got was a Ron Paul tee shirt?
Unfortunately, a gold standard works both ways. That is, you have assurance that your money is backed by gold, and that at any point you can exchange that money for gold.
The catch is the second way.
What is your point?
On a similar note...If you're an American journalist there is virtually no limit or boundary on what you are allowed to report. You just need to go through this 27 second training video by your editor before you start work so you know the deal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUQkbXWwJhQ
Well, fuck it. If I wasn't on the list before, I'm certainly on it now. A true badge of honor.
Refuse to pay taxes, defy government regulations?
Sounds more like big business and the banksters to me than the ordinary people who only want to return to constitutional money.
FBI if your reading this "your looking in the wrong places try 11 Wall street NY New York 10005".
I thought Gold was just tradition.
It is..in addition to being a barbarous relic.
You can effectively cheat on any standard, including the gold standard, that's what makes Rick Santorum the best candidate out there, he has an emphasis on moral responsibility. Bring morals back into the equation for the American psyche and you will have citizenery ready to accept the necessary discipline the real market demands. I like Ron too, it's just Rick hits it more on the head. But, people don't like to hear they have it wrong, so Rick will never be popular, nor the idea that all Americans need to strickly regulate themselves. So, we are doomed by those too lazy or in some cases, even too stupid to understand the utter necessity of the need to be moral.
Umm...I hope you forgot your /sarc
Santorum (like Gingrich and Romney) is a piece of shit.
http://www.citizensforethics.org/press/entry/crew-releases-second-annual-most-corrupt-members-of-congress-report
You need some intellectual TP to wipe up your literally smelly and inarticulate, dare I say, constipated expressons of thoughtlessness.
The bovine fecal material coming from your vocal orifice does nothing to solidify your argument.
You seem to be someone who appreciates style over substance.
Bomb Iran!
/sarc
Rick also advocates the assasination of Americans by our hijacked government. He's all yours!
no one is perfect, however, a nation bent on allowing the destruction of it's young all to the whim of whoever is responsible for the young is doomed. When we solve this self destructive tendancy, then we can move on to relatively lighter moral transgressons. There is a definite set of priorities. You pick yours, like Martin Luther Kings grand daughter spoke of a week or so ago, if Martin were alive, he would be pro-life. This is the most pressing concern of our country right now, for obvious reasons. You can not have a society or human rights without first having humans to populate that society.this really is common sense
http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/santurom-wolf-in-sheeple-clothing-people-have-this-idea-that-they-should-be-left-alone_01092012
Santorum is a corrupt, christian right nut job who would impose his views on the nation.
David Boaz from the CATO institute states it clearly, "...he wants to regulate society, he wants government in the bedroom, he wants government in your religious life
...We can think of one such culture that did just fine with radical individualism for quite a while, until politicians like Mr. Santorum decided they needed to get involved in the labor force, taxation, monetary policy, commerce, our right to be secure in our homes and persons, and our ability to defend ourselves against threats from those who feel the rule of Constitutional law does not apply to them."
Santorum is one of many who is the motivation for my username...
Frothy the Snowjobman can kiss my hairy ass --- and would probably secretly enjoy it.
Santorum is a warmongering windbag...Even Dostoyevsky would tell you that Rasko...
Morals? Please don't impose your version of "morality" on me, thanks!
Holy shit, did Newt Gingrich just say he's going to create jobs in space?
Yes, more specifically, Uranus. Can we send them all back to that planet from which they came from? TIA!
Those PNN (Propaganda News Network) motherfuckers just cut off Ron Paul's speech to show them rearranging chairs in a gymnasium. I don't know why the fuck I watch this shit. Did Goebbels come back from the dead and take over programming there?
I don't know why you watch it either.
Why not apply the Elvis principle, shoot the damned thing out, and switch to getting all your news from the net?
My only TV is only used as a display for a DVD player. No cable, no antenna. No subliminal programming, no advertisements, no lying shill babble, no 3 second attention-span destroying scene cut flicker.
I'm waiting for the FBI to add 'does not watch TV' to their list of terrorist tendency indicators.
In Romania before the revolution that overthrew and killed Ceau?escu, the people grew so disgusted with the lies of State TV that they began placing their TVs up against front windows of their houses. Turned on and facing outwards! Signifying "I'm not watching this shit anymore." It may have been this movement which showed everyone how much of a majority they were, which created the confidence necessary to stage the revolution.
Americans need something similar. Already a majority are fed up with the Federal Government, but they do not yet feel confidence in their hearts that they *are* an overwhelming majority. It will only take one simple 'signifier' like the TVs in the windows, to put a violent and decisive end to all this Statist bullshit.
Two thousand years ago, a Roman Senator suggested that all slaves wear white armbands to better identify them.
"No," said a wiser Senator, "If they see how many of them there are, they may revolt."
This is one of the best posts ever. My TV went to the garage years ago. I stopped watching that shit years before that. Anyone still watching that propaganda must still believe in it to some degree. Do yourself a favor and turn it off for a week/month. Cue Freddie...
I havent had tv in years and I've never looked back. Once cable started running commercials, there's no way I'm going to pay for that.
New boss... same as the old boss?
TerraHertz,
Absolutely awesome idea. The addiction here unfortunately is of such tremendous strength it is hard to imagine it being undone, but not impossible.
"My only TV is only used as a display for a DVD player. No cable, no antenna. No subliminal programming, no advertisements, no lying shill babble, no 3 second attention-span destroying scene cut flicker.
I'm waiting for the FBI to add 'does not watch TV' to their list of terrorist tendency indicators"
So true
My last TV was chucked in 1975, along with reading newspapers, magazines etc. Sure does free up a lot of time and might even free up a few unused braincells. Of course these are contra-indicators to some, indicating ant-social tendencies worthy of being monitored for any deviancy from norms.
stellar post, as usual.
In Romania before the revolution that overthrew and killed Ceau?escu, the people grew so disgusted with the lies of State TV that they began placing their TVs up against front windows of their houses. Turned on and facing outwards! Signifying "I'm not watching this shit anymore." It may have been this movement which showed everyone how much of a majority they were, which created the confidence necessary to stage the revolution.
THIS. until you unplug your programming, all your minds are belong to THEM.
Yup, I saw that too on CNN.
The Communist News Newtwork is Nazified? Tell me it ain't so...
Englishmajor
Goebbels actually write the book that is the basic operating manual used by the corporate liestream media so effectively. Google it. And why not point out that the book '1984" by George Orwell is the template for the media/government technique of using perfect inversions of truth to intellectually stultify and befuddle the public intellect.
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
The last one could be the prime directive behind the government maleducation industry which after crippling its innocent victims gives them an industrial strength dose of "SELF ESTEEM" to forever protect their ignorance from being tampered with from without.
Fuck Google. Read this:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-post-paychecks-perception-propaganda-power
Newt=Twilight Zone stuff.
Put a fork in the space program, and sorry folks, humans never actually made it to the moon.
Capricorn One. *wink*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricorn_One
I've seen a very convincing experiment of reflecting lasers off "mirrors" left on the moon.
The Amerian Goverment are terrorist in my view,and are aided and abeited by the likes of the FBI.
When are you's americans going to forget the democrats and the republican thing and take your country back from the corrupt.
The sheeple like to cling to the left|right paradigm. It's easier than thinking.
If we could just get Kim Kardashian on our side, people would listen.
Which ever side of the aisle controls the media controls the process. I can tell you it's not the republicans.
How about big corporations, etc. instead of a certain side of the isle? Probably a lot closer to it than your proposition.
What's a "sovereign citizen" anyway?
Gov. Rick Perry: Texas Could Secede, Leave Unionhttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/15/gov-rick-perry-texas-coul_n_187...
Is Mr Perry a "sovereign citizen"?
Chrome nasty browser
Chrome sux
STOPPPPPPP! Secession is serious business folks. Anyone who talks about secession lightly dishonors the 600,000+ dead Americans who chose to be involved or were forced to be involved in the War of Northern Aggression (1861-1865), and the hell that followed after it.
I don't see any shitbird politician actually putting his life on the line over his nations or states soverignty. It isn't 1861 and this is post-soverign America we are living in. It's about soverignty at all levels, be it America (forgggggget about it), the state level (ditch some and forget about many of them), the local level (again, forget about many of them), and the personal level (where soverignty of the armed U.S. citizen remains to be realized).
/RANT
/SOAPBOX
Lincoln said that he would allow slavery if only it meant the preservation of the Union. The Civil War was the work of the same Banksters that eventually triumphed in 1913. Lincoln knew that they would gain control of a divided nation. John Wilkes Booth didn't kill Lincoln because he was pissed off about freed slaves. Lincoln was printing his own money, the true Greenback. Booth was well financed.
Europe is being asked of each and every one Nation to give up soveriengy to that of the United States of Europe in the form of Euro. The UK is the one hold out who refused to join.
The experiment is a failed one and it will be best to all to return each nation to a Currency that they once held and attempt to learn how to get along with each other.
Not true - UK did not join but nor did Poland, Hungary, Denmark, Sweden, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania........if Britain had joined the Euro would have been severely destabilised much earlier as it is a "heavy" currency
Perry attended a Bilderberg Conference in Istanbul in 2007.
do the math.
I watched Battle Field Earth yesterday, good movie by the way, and the aliens were fond of gold. Only part I didn't believe was when the humans broke into Fort Knox and it was loaded with gold bars.
Well, it was a fiction based movie so there you have it.
Just like Scientology.
No, Scientology is a system where you are a issued a counsler and then guided through carefully framed courses and confessions etc with ever increasing fees coming from you who is begining have a taste and want more and more. Eventually you will be allowed across the bridge and ever increasingly be deep into the "Arc from me to you bullshit"
That cost a family member about 65,000 dollars to get in and about 12,000 each year to maintain and after 10 years GTFO which also meant he can never ever come back to California. What the fuck did he care? All done.
Them papers were in probate to prove it. And ding dong, the man is dead and gone to meet the true God who will unscramble that man's head.
I've given up and am now eating my emergency supply of food. I am slowly becoming 'not a terrorist'.
Dear FBI. Sorry to hear you feel that way. We'll have to agree to differ.
For anyone interested in some references:
http://everist.org/archives/links/!_Sovereign_citizen_links.txt
http://everist.org/archives/links/!_US_govt_Corporation_links.txt
http://everist.org/archives/links/!_IRS_tax_unlawful_links.txt
http://everist.org/archives/links/!_Freedom_quotes.txt
http://everist.org/archives/links/!_Freedom_quotes-Thomas_Jefferson.txt
The funniest and most ironic part of all this, is that the currently acting Mr Big of the entire Federal crime gang, isn't even a genuine citizen at all. http://everist.org/archives/links/!_Obama_curious_series_of_events.htm
(There's a bug in the ZH link parsing code. "!" kills it. You'll need to copy and paste links, sorry.)
Is Mr Big really gonna be off the balllot in some states?