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Chart Of The Day: Smith & Wesson Sales

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The attached chart of Smith & Wesson revenues needs no comment.

Well one comment: when the final bubble does pop (and here we make the wild assumption that no intelligent extraterrestrial life will be found to bail out the central banks in time), at least everyone will be locked and loaded.

And some highlights from the just released investor presentation:

  • Record-level quarterly sales growth from continuing ops of $136.0M, +48.3% Y/Y
  • Record-level quarterly income from continuing ops of $18.9M, or $0.28 per diluted share
  • Record Adjusted Non-GAAP EBITDAS of $36.1 Million
  • Raised Full Year Fiscal 2013 Financial Guidance
  • Exceeded high end of upwardly revised sales guidance
  • Quarterly unit growth +30.1% vs. market growth +23.5% (Adjusted NICS)
  • Backlog of $392.4M versus $148.8 one year ago

Full investor presentation:

 

 

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Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:19 | 2770678 CompassionateFascist
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Anonymouse emigrate to Chermany...surplus puppydogs roam street. Not for long. 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:07 | 2769628 brace_brace_brace
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Aaa guns!!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:01 | 2769643 I am a Man I am...
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Governments getting armed.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:06 | 2769652 s n p
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wow, the price has really shot up....

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:21 | 2769666 pamriallc
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Given the capabilities of government today, gun ownership to protect oneself from government is ridiculous. It's a proverbial water pistol vs something outrageous. Billionaire Americans are wedded to the system, and will not leave it, and unlike the Founding Fathers, this is not a foreign government that would be resisted, as alleged here. What's being discussed is an outright impossibility. We voted government......our government into office and it will be our government that we vote out of office when real change is desired.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:10 | 2769803 Savyindallas
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Maybe we should all buy IED's  -they've been incredibly effective in Iraq - don't kill a lot  -but maim 10 times as many for life -without massive air cover - or blowing the shit out of whole neigborhoods = the gov forces are not nearly as effective. Citizens militias will adapt to the times - the gov may need large amounts of foreign mercenaries  -or very highly paid Blackwater types

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 00:14 | 2770565 Overfed
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I guess the mujahadeen never got that memo.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:17 | 2769672 JR
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There are two primary reasons why there is an increase in sales of firearms.

 The first reason, there have been recent events of groups of people killed with a firearm such as the Aurora Colorado episode. 

 As a result there were widespread campaigns and urgings by the “gun grabbers” for much stricter gun laws - from columnists to talk show hosts to major media.  The emphasis was placed on the claim that too many guns in society means innocent people are being killed. As a result, a sizable percentage of the public realized that restrictions on guns would be a restriction on their freedom and their self defense against criminals.

The second reason is that never before has the government begun arming its civilian employees by well into the tens of thousands from the forest service to EPA to Labor Department to health officials to Federal Reserve employees... In addition to this incredible armed advance,  the Federal government has worked more closely than ever with state police and local police forces to give them much more fire power and technology to deal allegedly with criminals but, also, with surveillance of private citizens.

In addition to this, the military has begun greater and greater involvement in domestic areas to the extent that they are having air and ground exercises in urban areas and SWAT teams are being trained to deal with potential civilian uprisings.

In short, and for this reason, citizens are arming themselves, not for deer hunting or target practice,  but to defend  themselves from the government.

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:24 | 2769690 zerotohero
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Paranoia is number 1 - Power in their cowardly hands number 2 - Stupidity and Ignorance number 3 - and the list goes on...................

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:31 | 2769702 Ignorance is bliss
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That's why we have a second amendment. Our forefathers knew freedom had to be defended against...wait for it...the Governmint.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:22 | 2769683 orangegeek
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I wonder what revenue charts look like for chainsaws?  Or revenue charts for chainsaws sold in Texas?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:24 | 2769691 devo
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I'd like to buy a gun, but when I looked into it, it was a nightmare navigating CA's gun laws. Not even sure where to start...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:36 | 2769711 GrinandBearit
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Bought a Mossberg 590 shotgun while living in So Cal, but that was 4 years ago.  I had to wait 10 days for the backround check to clear -lol.   It's probably worse now.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:37 | 2769718 zerotohero
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Don't start - believe me you'll be glad you didn't. Got rid of my guns 20 years ago - waste of money, waste of space, waste of metal.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:15 | 2769812 DosZap
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Don't start - believe me you'll be glad you didn't. Got rid of my guns 20 years ago - waste of money, waste of space, waste of metal.

 

Sounds good, I ain't buyin..............(just my opinion).

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:12 | 2770127 Freddie
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I was on a boat with my guns, ammo, gold, beans and MREs.  A freak wave turned over the boat.  Everything was lost at sea.  

I cry everynight over it.  I bought a Gun Free Zone sign for my front yard so I am safe.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:18 | 2769822 ArrestBobRubin
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Don't you mean hero now a zero?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:30 | 2769845 zerotohero
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to who its important - my family - no - to you I could give a wet shit.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:00 | 2769931 ArrestBobRubin
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Right, try throwing a wet shit when the chips are down then.

I'm sure your family will give you an A for effort though. It's your execution that may leave them a bit... cold.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:09 | 2770321 zerotohero
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LOL - u have the wit of an NRA nut job for sure dude - Cod Bless America - wrap me in the good old RWB - eat some apple pie - Declaration of dependence - etc etc. Thank Cod I live in Amerika - NOT.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:18 | 2770469 ArrestBobRubin
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No one seems to miss you Zero. In fact, no one even noticed you left.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:22 | 2770473 zerotohero
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o but your still here.............

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 00:12 | 2770564 ArrestBobRubin
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Your: means it belongs to someone or something

You're: a contraction meaning you are

Learn the language, you sound like an ignoramus

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 11:20 | 2771801 zerotohero
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wow that was lame my friend

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 00:16 | 2770567 Overfed
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Yeah. Don't worry. You won't need 'em.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:26 | 2770371 SgtSchultz
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That's one big reason why I left the state.  It was well worth it.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:27 | 2770692 CompassionateFascist
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I live in Calif. Got my Glock23 and M1a with simple background check and short waiting period. Just do it. 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:38 | 2769719 madmax1965
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I prefer my Glock over my M&P, however, Smith & Wesson does make  outstanding weapons!

Has anyone ever thought, maybe the douchebags in control want us all armed to the teeth, so that we have to fight it out amongst ourselves, while they all hide out in their bunkers.  Cull the heard with out looking like the bad guy!  The strongest will survive to become TPTB slaves all over again.

WTF?  I don't know, I do know that once you wake up this shit is really like the friggin matrix!

 

Peace out, Bitchez!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:04 | 2769785 Savyindallas
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That's why we're going to go get them in their bunkers  -that's where the food and booze and Cuban cigars will be- some of us have already thought of this.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:46 | 2769738 Vooter
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Thought this was interesting:

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-says-10-rare-gold-coins-worth-80-152750965--...

Coming soon to a theater near you...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:04 | 2770101 DosZap
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Thought this was interesting:

http://news.yahoo.com/judge-says-10-rare-gold-coins-worth-80-152750965--...

 

Actually they are priceless, and are illegal to own, unless gifted,by FDR, and /or purchased from same(the recips).

They were never intended for distribution, and approx 20 or so were all that were to be made..............

One man who bought one, (actually go to keep his, as it DID belong to the King of Siam),and he bought it fair and square.

Cost him a shitload,but if he could afford that, $$$$$$ was no object.

These 10,were thought to be stolen, and were never meant to leave the mint.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:48 | 2769743 TacticalZen
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Remember, fellow Americans - we are allowed to transfer four (4) firearms for each and every Federal Form 4473 firearms transfer.  Thus, purchase no less than four guns at a time and help create a stronger America.  (No sarc)

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:53 | 2769758 zerotohero
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Cod Bless America - did you say no less than four nuns - NUNS FOR A STRONGER AMERICA - I like it.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:04 | 2769786 DosZap
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TacticalZen

Sure, put a target on your back..............FOUR at a time,you will surely be either visited, or put at the top of the list.

Two handguns require a separate from, turned in.

Now in Texas long guns the same (thank you Fast n Furious).May be same way in other states..................

IMHO, this is not a smart move.

Also,I figure way too many folks are spending far too much on multiple weapons, and not food for them, nor are they learning to be proficient with any,due to having too many.

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:25 | 2769834 ArrestBobRubin
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Perhaps you haven't considered what they'll be worth in barter? Overnight, many a current gun-tard will be looking for one to try to protect themselves and their cute little ex-Obammunists.

Owners with extra guns will be there to help 'em out, and will get many other neccessities in return. All good...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:32 | 2769855 zerotohero
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my money is on someone with actual combat skills taking your weapon turning it on you and making you his ass bitch -

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:03 | 2769951 ArrestBobRubin
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Someone with actual combat training skills is any of the 15 guys in my SHTF posse.

My money is on the fact you're a silly Obammunist.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:12 | 2770330 zerotohero
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oooo posse - do you and your posse get together and circle jerk with your guns or is that a little to gay for you

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:06 | 2769957 10mm
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Then fuckin practice and invest time with gun.Less being a ass bitch.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:10 | 2770327 zerotohero
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Uh oh someones feelings got hurt

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:31 | 2769847 TacticalZen
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Dear DosZap -

BATFE isn't that scary.  Now go down to the local office and make nice. Bring cookies or something.

I trust this fear of Federal officers is because you don't have very many friends employed with the FBI, CIA, BATFE and other letter designated organizations.  I love them all (sarc).  Most of the decent people in these organizations acknowledge their worries about erosion of freedoms.  Having friends in high places is important, as the French resistance knew too well.  Quit thinking they are all the same.

As for firearms practice and other provisions, agreed.  I think the saying is "beware the man who owns one gun - he's probably very good with it".  I try to be good with all of them - it's a lifelong goal.  I'm "involved' in USPSA and IDPA, and am a former long distance high power competitor.  Competed at Camp Perry and Camp Pendleton in 1970-71 smallbore and high power.  After 40 years I'm starting to get "good". 

Finally, start doing research on the things that trigger "SAR's" in this country.  Buying a few weapons is nothing - wait until a cash transaction of $500 causes a SAR.  We're almost there.

Good luck and be ready.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:31 | 2769849 TacticalZen
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Dear DosZap -

BATFE isn't that scary.  Now go down to the local office and make nice. Bring cookies or something.

I trust this fear of Federal officers is because you don't have very many friends employed with the FBI, CIA, BATFE and other letter designated organizations.  I love them all (sarc).  Most of the decent people in these organizations acknowledge their worries about erosion of freedoms.  Having friends in high places is important, as the French resistance knew too well.  Quit thinking they are all the same.

As for firearms practice and other provisions, agreed.  I think the saying is "beware the man who owns one gun - he's probably very good with it".  I try to be good with all of them - it's a lifelong goal.  I'm "involved' in USPSA and IDPA, and am a former long distance high power competitor.  Competed at Camp Perry and Camp Pendleton in 1970-71 smallbore and high power.  After 40 years I'm starting to get "good". 

Finally, start doing research on the things that trigger "SAR's" in this country.  Buying a few weapons is nothing - wait until a cash transaction of $500 causes a SAR.  We're almost there.

Good luck and be ready.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:05 | 2769788 zerotohero
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Hey I found your pic on Facebook

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:50 | 2769753 zerotohero
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Most gun owners would absolutely shit their fucking pants in an actual confrontation exchanging gun fire. Their adrenal gland would be so fucked up they would likely blow their own fucking head off. Everyone thinks their fucking Rambo until they actually are in a flight or fight situation and then the majority fucking puke and run.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 18:55 | 2769763 DosZap
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Most gun owners would absolutely shit their fucking pants in an actual confrontation exchanging gun fire. Their adrenal gland would be so fucked up they would likely blow their own fucking head off. Everyone thinks their fucking Rambo until they actually are in a flight or fight situation and then the majority fucking puke and run

 

That is what lots of practice is for, and classes.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:02 | 2769777 Ignorance is bliss
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True...that's why you practice. To let your automatic reflexes take over. Just look at what happened with the cops in the NY Empire state building. Those cops just let the led fly, and they are NY finest. For most civilized people killing is a tough business even if it is in self-defense. I for one hope those days never come our way.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:10 | 2769970 10mm
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Because they are pulling on a 14lb trigger.It's called a New York Trigger,which makes shot placement more difficult.Thanks to NYPD political brass.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:51 | 2770064 samsara
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Quick couple of questions,

How many gun owners do you personally know?
How many times have you visited the Shooting range?
Have you ever been to the southern or western US?

I can assure you there are a million plus Americans with guns, that know how to use them, and have steel nerves.

Do you know how many US citizens are retired military people with weapons training?

I would draw such conclusions so quickly.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:51 | 2770067 WAMO556
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Really??? YOU KNOW this? Wow, your fucking good. So the knuckleheads att: Fallujah, Al Wafra, Bidoa, Son Tay, Khe San, Inchon, Normany, Iwo Jima, Mont Blanc, Bloody Ridge, New Orleans and Yorktown. These men...and yes women ALL shit their pants and ran???

Really???

Your a fucking master of human understanding.

Fuck it...I give up...your the lead instructor now. Tell me where I can meet up with you so that I can listen more of your really good stuff...

Sarc off...

Now FOAD!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:17 | 2770142 Freddie
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Sure beats what will happen to you when the gangs come to your house.   Some of us may not make it but we will not be begging for mercy like you.  

Me? I lost all my guns in a boating accident but I have a pointed stick.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:13 | 2770336 zerotohero
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I gotta work on my gun etiquette - too many down arrows

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:25 | 2770365 DanDaley
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True enough. Having a big bore something-or-other pointed at you in anger is a singularly unique experience.  It focuses the mind like no other, but oddly enough, I found that it is still possible to think...just that your heart rate and breathing are a tad HIGH!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:04 | 2769776 pamriallc
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Guns are really, really, really really cheap. Reality is that an old 45 cal pistol is around $250.00 and older shotguns are even cheaper, and normal people don't actually wear out a firearm. Weapons in the Middle East are still being recycled from 75 years ago and function flawlessly when in capable hands. Fighting ones own government with lethal force is ridiculous. Leaving the country altogether is far more reasonable, and then you deal with yet another system you learn to despise. I understand Hungary is looking for a few good men these days, maybe Panama? Americans have a good deal and need to control spending. Hardly a place to run away from. First fix yourself, and then attempt to develop change elsewhere.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:03 | 2769779 Ignorance is bliss
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what we should really be discussing in a thread like this is effective body armor.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:04 | 2769784 zerotohero
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fucking right - I want a tank.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:27 | 2769840 ArrestBobRubin
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So you can shit your pants in that too?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:35 | 2769864 zerotohero
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I shit my pants when your mom asked for it up the ass

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:16 | 2769961 ArrestBobRubin
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Nah dummy, you shit your pants because your asshole is prolapsed from all that gay Obammunist sex

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:15 | 2770339 zerotohero
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Nah dummy I shit my pants cause your mom was blowing the Obammunist when she asked for it up the ass - what a mouth full

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:12 | 2770460 ArrestBobRubin
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And what a pathetic reach at a comeback hero now zero. Nice self-vote too, class all the way.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:24 | 2770477 zerotohero
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I always vote for myself - no hiding it - its what rocks about zh - and hey call it pathetic but you bite like a fish every time douche

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:51 | 2769915 SgtShaftoe
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Very good point, Instead of having 6 rifles, sell one and buy a plate carrier and ceramic plates + soft armor, medical supplies, and basic medical training (combat casualty care and/or other field first aid including CPR).  Body armor for the significant other, and children should also be in order if you have those.  In a real urban or any kind of chaotic gunfight it can be hard to initially determine where you are taking fire from.  Also study us army battle drills of "react to ambush", near and far, and "break contact". 

Remember, God forbid you, or any of us end up in a future gunfight, the best battlefield medicine is fire superiority.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:28 | 2770010 My Days Are Get...
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No. The best "fire superiority" is suprise.  Ask any infanty vet.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:06 | 2769792 tlnzz
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Looks like some of the sheeple woke up.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:10 | 2769804 Diamond Jim
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This graph only shows that "revenues" are up at S&W. Now if one figures that the retail price of a gun has gone up over the last few years (demand?) then of course revenues will rise. This does not show that the number of guns sold have gone up.

Second, with regards to Emperor Owe....in a second term with no re-election in the wings one might suggest knowing his propensities that he would sign off on the UN small arms mandate and could even suspend or do away with the 2nd Amendment by executive orders as he will do with numerous other constitutional rights and laws on the books.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:36 | 2769869 walküre
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Hate to break it to y'all but a huge chunk of that revenue are from purchases of any of the Alphabet acronym government branches relating to domestic "defense" spending.

In other words, S&W is part of the military industrial complex and a direct beneficiary of the UST debt binge.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:38 | 2769879 steelrules
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My gun dealer has 6 Ruger SR 1911's on order for the last 6 months, they got one in all that time.

I may just go for the Remington 100th anniversary even though I like the looks of the Ruger better.

Preppers take note these are my list of must have firearms. Ruger 10/22 , Mossberg 500 spx, 2 Soviet SKS's and 2-1400 round cases of ammo. A long range rifle like my Savage 110-BA, 9mm Glock or Baretta and of course a 1911 in 45 ACP. and a 1000 rounds for each.

These are my firearms in Canada, No AR's or AK's allowed. 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:42 | 2770043 ArrestBobRubin
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No AK's or AR's, what a shame in the great country of Canada.

You poor hosers have the Canadian Jewish Council (CJC) to thank for that.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:57 | 2770087 steelrules
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AK and AR are banned becaues they look scary even though they function exactly like any other semi-auto carbine.

As for the Jewish thing, "probably"...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:19 | 2770154 ArrestBobRubin
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Scary to whom? Just the whiners.

Probably my ass. Look it up bro, I know what I'm talking about here...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:18 | 2770349 zerotohero
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Yup listen to this guy everyone - he's a fucking genius - follow him and his like right into trap set by the U.S. Gov't over a century ago by providing enough propoganda to mold the minds into the kind of brilliant ass he is

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:14 | 2770463 ArrestBobRubin
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Thanks for the compliment Mark Potok

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:25 | 2770480 zerotohero
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fish on - what a bite

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:23 | 2770162 Freddie
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You mentioned SKS.  There is a bull pup conversion for the SKS that is very easy to do.   Here is one company.  About $200 or so.  

http://sgworks.com/

F!  Cannot ship to Canada.  :-(

 

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 04:39 | 2770817 krispkritter
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And it still takes a year to get one.  Look up their FB page. It was the only place you could see where people were getting them delivered because they only rarely updated their shipping info. Mine only took 15 months.

PS. Not bashing you. Just letting people know...

Tue, 09/11/2012 - 10:22 | 2781577 steelrules
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Bull pup conversions are also banned in Canada, funny though how I can still buy a Tavor TC-21 in Canada, guess it has everything to do with where they are made.

https://alflahertys.com/product_detail.php?pc=B&psc=44&searchColumn=ALL&searchString=tavor&uid=1255&page_num=0

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:43 | 2769891 surf0766
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This graph must scare the shit out of the marxist.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:46 | 2769902 LongSilverJohn
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Guns don't kill people.

Drunk people with guns kill people.

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:50 | 2769913 yogibear
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A stock for the future.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:01 | 2769927 H H Henry P P P...
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Green shoots.

That chart is bulletish for the economy.

Don't just taze me, bro... take me down for good with a trusty S&W.  Buy one today.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 19:59 | 2769938 resurger
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S&M ...

Mwaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:03 | 2769950 Hannibal
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What a dumb ass paranoid fucked up country the US is.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:15 | 2769980 ArrestBobRubin
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uuuuh, you left out "well armed". Whereas your country is dumb ass, paranoid, fucked up, and unarmed.

Let's be fair.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:27 | 2770004 Hannibal
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Just a bunch of gun toten chicken shit blowhards on wet paper or just gettn' ready to shoot each other,....

Not dumb,...eh?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:34 | 2770024 newengland
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Hanni$hit,

There's more deaths by guns in Europe, the Middle East and Asia than in the U.S., and their crime figures of all sorts are higher.

You win combat  for the State and criminal thugs.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:39 | 2770036 Hannibal
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You boys can't even win a fucking war, tail between your ass cheeks kicked out of Nam and Iraq and soon Afgan. Reap what you sow shit heads!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:54 | 2770079 newengland
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Hanni$hit,

You eat dollars, and bow down before your rulers who screw you over, then come complaining to the West, pretty boy, catomite.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:38 | 2770033 ArrestBobRubin
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Well it's just that you seem to have the dumb piece covered so well all by your lonesome.

Wouldn't need a gun for you though. The back of my hand would more than suffice.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:20 | 2770353 zerotohero
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gotta pull yer hand outta that cows ass first cowboy - up to yer elbow and screaming - right

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:34 | 2770500 zerotohero
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hellllooo what nothing - sad face.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 00:29 | 2770588 Overfed
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For you and Hanniturd.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005130

 

 

Fuck off and die now.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 11:24 | 2771812 zerotohero
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"fuck off and die" is sooo used - how bout something original

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:08 | 2770111 moonman
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Yup just a bunch of armed "paranoid" people who won't be in a FEMA camp

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:16 | 2769984 newengland
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It is the duty of every citizen to protect their community, and defy overbearing government if it threatens the neighbourhood.

This is the USA, not slave nation corporatism or communism. Choose your side of the barricade if the NDAA signed by Obama and agreed by CONgress turns on you or your neighbour.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:18 | 2769989 worbsid
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An interesting facet of the NYPD shooting civilians is: The city requires a 12 pound trigger pull on all hand guns for all rounds.  If your automatic is less than that, it has to be modified by the NYPD to guarantee 12 pound trigger pull.  Seems that several accidents occured while re-holstering their weapon and to prevent or reduce that, they made the guns much less accurate.   

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:30 | 2770016 10mm
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Correct worbsid.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:23 | 2770000 My Days Are Get...
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 I consider ZH a haven for intelligent rebels and survivors.  But, up to now, I never realized how many brothers here carry.  So, I will put my two cents in for what it is worth: I am looking at my “Concealed Firearm Permit” issued by the State of Utah.  Check it out to see if there is reciprocity in your state.  Now, do I pack “heat”? The answer is no I do not, that is, not on the street.  I got the permit to be able to legally pack heat. Practice, practice practice. That is the credo.  Why?  Because, if and when you have to point a deadly weapon at someone, you have to have the instinct to follow through with the shot without thinking. Ammo costs much money.  Some people re-load.  I do not.  My close-in weapon of choice is the revolver.  A revolver will not jamb - ever.  I have a S&W Outdoorsman - a 38 on a 44 frame.  You can squeeze the dumb-dumb rounds off with one hand.  Unfortunately, while it is legal to purchase hollow points, it may be illegal to fire them. I always carry my Ruger Redhawk (44 Mag) revolver in the woods with 310 grain rounds.  I am literally “”loaded for bear” because a bear almost killed me in Labrador 4 years ago.  You need a strong two-handed grip - this baby will tear your arms off. For long range protection, my weapon of choice is the proven M14 - the civilian version, the MIA, retrofitted with a Leupold 18 x 40 scope and a military sling.  You have excellent power at 400 yards with the Nato 7.62 x 51 round.
Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:30 | 2770017 Hannibal
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Who you plan on shootin' cowbow, fellow Americans?

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:40 | 2770400 Uncle Remus
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Well maybe that, some illegals and a few dual-citizen types. The military is doing a bang-up job elsewhere...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:35 | 2770027 jumbo maverick
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The best pistol money can buy is the glock. Gaston glock was a genius and it shows in the finished products. However there is something about the S and W .357 revolver that you just can't explain. They make fantastic revolvers. It is built rock solid and you know it WILL NOT let you down when you need it.
Side note that most people don't know is the S and W revolvers have a less than lethal setting on them. You smash somebody in the head with it and it's like hitting them with brass knuckles on steroids. So they won't die on you...well maybe sometimes they won't.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:54 | 2770076 ArrestBobRubin
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Many make this mistake about Glock. Fine gun maker? Hell yes. "The best pistol money can buy?" That's sheer hyperbole.

As the saying among real handgun pros goes, "friends don't let friends buy a Glock"

Sig, H&K, Walther, Springfield Armory, Beretta are all as good as Glock, and some are better by a fair margin.

S&W is indeed the King of the revolver, but they'll cost ya.

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:03 | 2770098 steelrules
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You forgot Colt, Colt's the king of revolvers.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:14 | 2770132 ArrestBobRubin
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Apologies to you and Colt Sir! But I was talking about more recently...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:58 | 2770293 steelrules
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Thank you Sir! and my mint Nickel plated .357 Tooper circa 1974 thanks you as well.

Shame that you can't get a revolver from Colt any more unless you order it through the Colt custom shop, and that's big $$$$$$$$$$ 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:42 | 2770405 SmoothCoolSmoke
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Pistols my ass.  Sawed-off 12 ga. pump shotgun and buck shot.  The longest shot your'll ever take in your house is 20 feet.  Think about it.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:35 | 2770028 slewie the pi-rat
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i haven't owned firearms since my first child was born;  my wife and i talked it over & agreed pretty quickly

but i have trained my children in firearms at the range and with powerful crossman multi-pump air rifles when they were younger to teach smooth trigger control and un-shyness of "firing" as best one can without "bullets" or shells

then, the bullets and shells

many rednecks challenged my choice in the early 80's;  they "envisioned" a home invasion and poor slewie defenseless, ergo dead and his wife and children at the mercy of charlieManson disciples

i said if i have a firearm and they know it, it puts me at an "advantage" i don't "need" in my living room under any situ

having a firearm can never guarantee you won't get killed or captured or the firearm end up in some kid's hands who didn't have one when he snuck in b/c he was drunk and wired and thought you had cold beer or something;  or had tried bath salts

i demonstrated to the most vocal of the "boys" that i could kill him in less than 5 seconds with no weapon but myself or a small kitchen implement, if handy

boom.  see?

army-trained MP-grad;  my cousin was a marine and he got his a bit differently;  the pilots i knew, the seal officer, and the the infantry guys and the special forces officer ---people i grew up with, we all got a different version for the particular ditty-bop involved;  it's called hand-to-hand and it is to the death when the rifle jams or the ammunition supply-line fails

man woman or both, in any country:  you wear the uniform and sport the colors, you get some of this;  depending on the "job" you might get more, but you will never get less than "basic" in some language or another;  you have this 'knife" and here is how you use it;  and if you don't have that, then...  it is simply military logic

fix bayonets is a command, not an option depending on whether the commander knows the early #NFP or not...  bullets are an option from time to time;  completing the mission is not;  ever, according to "the book"

if that is old school than slewie is old school;  or does that seem postmodern?  recently evolved?

everyone is trained to realize that no matter how great the parades are, there may well be situs when you either come home with your shield or on it;  that is just the nature of the game;  the nature of the beasts we serve

and ya don't get to vote on the mission;  but ya do get to complain all the way thru the damned booby traps, ambushes, and "friendly fire" and why do those other asswipes get to fly in or jump in when you had to fuking walk in for two days?  or two weeks?  ain't it awful!

so this guy sez to me:  that's not fair, slewie!  i knew you didn't hava gun!  and everyone just howled

peace

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:46 | 2770054 newengland
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Peace, preferably, slewie.

But pieces if needs be.

Best wishes to you and yours.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:09 | 2770114 Totin
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Rule # 1: Never bring a knife to a gun fight.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:19 | 2770131 newengland
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Rule # 1: kill silently. A gun is the first choice of a loser or the last resort.

This is the USA, not a wild west show or corporatist entertainment...unless we allow it.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:37 | 2770207 ArrestBobRubin
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Yup, and that's why God invented Silencers

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:35 | 2770196 ArrestBobRubin
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Rule Number 2: never ever give your wife a vote on the matter of gun ownership for home & family protection. Unless of course she's pro-gun :)

Real men know that certain decisions are best left to themselves.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:49 | 2770424 zerotohero
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Now come on - your puttin us all on right - I mean no really everything you've been posting has been tongue firmly planted right (sarc) - cause come on REALLY - you can't write this stuff and mean it right? Now own up - come on its just a joke right - we're all friends here so come on let us in on the laugh......LMFAO

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:02 | 2770450 ArrestBobRubin
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Only thing I'm laughing at is you.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:27 | 2770486 zerotohero
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hey another bite - I take back the "genius" tag

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 05:40 | 2770834 10mm
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That would mostly apply to the "Metro Sexual".

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 00:12 | 2770563 Beau Tox
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Slewie is a Sophist.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:51 | 2770038 billsykes
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If it was legal I would carry. 

Its also nice to buy and use made in usa stuff, lots great little gun accessories and gun manufacturers in montana.

Shame they are trying to tring to kill off all manufacturing in america. With the bullshit export laws that the US has- as if every country doesnt have a 5.56mm or a .22, why not break off a piece to the small niche manufacturers?

Does the government actually think that even if a small country is armed to the teeth with the best everything;  kimbers, ARs and 50 cals, night vision, optics, body armor and any other small arms gear you can carry would make a difference to a large organized invading force like the US or UN hell bent on getting the oil?

I don't think a guy with good legs body armor and a AR could stand up to a A-10.

 

 

 

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:43 | 2770048 I am on to you
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There will only be one Gun,that will safe planet America?

Aint no Smith or Wesson,colt or other  spooky thing!

No its the old Japoneese real thing???

Yes, you, got it right:The one and only:SHOGUN....

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:45 | 2770053 I am on to you
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Got a but!

Could be in hard competition,with the Arabic:Shoegun!Kils by its smell!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:10 | 2770120 newengland
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Bullshit. The shogun are extinct. That is the lesson you need to learn.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:44 | 2770049 AndrewJackson
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I will hopefully be contributing to the revenues of one of these companies soon. I am 22 and am in the long arduous process of getting my first gun (in chicago). Now all I have to do is figure out what home defense weapon would work best in an apartment outside downtown chicago.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:49 | 2770062 newengland
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Dear Andrew,

Be most careful. It is very wrong that CONgress leaves you in this dilemma. Be careful. I wish my family could send you a guide. Be careful.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:53 | 2770072 billsykes
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You know what would work best- a change of zip code.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:50 | 2770270 SoNH80
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Yeah-- move to Indiana.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:46 | 2770055 Yen Cross
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  I like the "old skool" approach.   "Red Headed"  unemployed BatShit drunk people throwing " rocks, glass, and flaming torches"! ;-)

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:54 | 2770077 billsykes
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Well hockey season is coming up.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:12 | 2770124 Yen Cross
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 So is "underwater basket weaving".  Hockey is a great sport! It's horribly mis-managed. NBA esc. (sad)

  Who wants the "over/under" on Biden?  

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:48 | 2770257 ArrestBobRubin
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Horribly mismanaged you say? Well no wonder, get a load of these dubious "Commissioners":

Selig (MLB), Stern (NBA), Goodell (NFL), Bettman (NHL)

Next, take a look at the ownership of most of the teams. Yeccch!

I stopped watching any and all "pro sports" once I realized how they fit into the Bread and Circuses mindf*ck.

The realization brought me lots more time at the Range

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:20 | 2770352 Yen Cross
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    Goodell is "OK". Selig- is a ?  Stern is a clown!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 23:47 | 2770524 Clashfan
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Not to mention that they've all joined hands w/Homeland Security to molest fans at games: http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-calls-for-nfl-boycott-after-intrusive...

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 20:57 | 2770086 Pejorative Requiem
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I wish I was an owner. The numbers look great. And I love the idea of a US population so loaded down with personal arms that even Mao would second think an occupation. But these numbers aren't US sales.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:05 | 2770103 newengland
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Quite.

But the Russians and other oligarchs and Politburos do so very much like to excite the internet.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:35 | 2770197 Freddie
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Mao occupation - good f**kin luck with that.   I think PA, NY, MI, WI and Texas have about 5 million licensed hunters. 5 states with 3 of them fairly liberal have the biggest army in the world.   Add 900,000 CCWs in Florida and 600,000 in Georgia.  

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:45 | 2770248 SoNH80
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If Mr. Charles were so foolish as to attempt an invasion, I would bash him over the head with a pick-axe handle, if need be.  "Behind every blade of grass....."

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:35 | 2770387 SmoothCoolSmoke
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I'm from PA. Ain't no strangers to 30 ought 6s, etc. there.  No sir.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:15 | 2770135 CharlesH
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lol

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:30 | 2770180 nah
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can the supreme court let us vote for companies

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:35 | 2770195 Lord Koos
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Happy days!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:41 | 2770225 Jugger Naut
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Got Guns??? Yikes!!! Big post market motion up every quarter with this stocks earnings - Definitly on the radar for am trading.....

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:42 | 2770232 KarlGDenninger
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I saw biff the angel abd barlon the destroyer fighting over the future of earth. Time is short for we must begin digging. God is angry. Tune into my e sermon on sunday were i talk about eloh and mines love for mankind. As men of god we get frusterateeed

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:43 | 2770233 SoNH80
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.357 Mag. S&W Model 686.  In Maryland, the minimum for self-defense.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:59 | 2770294 KarlGDenninger
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Lay down your weapon brother. Peace comes through acceptance of god. Biff told me himself to tell you. Guns are bad

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:04 | 2770659 Whoahthere
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I think Biff has been sucking Bill Clinton's bang way too long. Bill always takes it any way he can.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 21:56 | 2770284 _SILENCER
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I sure as shit on toast likes me the SW 686, I really want one.  My SW stash includes the stellar 3RD Gen Semi-Autos, the 4066 and the head crushing 4506.  Great goddamn guns.  You can use them as clubs if need be.

ZH does indeed attract a herd of gunned-up patriots. Here in the PRK where you can only buy guns on the State Sanctioned Mommylist, our pickins are slim, only 11 Colt models available, and they're never in the fucking shops.  Gotta sniff around on Calguns and other places to find the good stuff.

But 12 gauges are growing on trees, and we ALL need at least two of those.  Gents, teach your women/girls to shoot....it's up to them to learn to walk properly in heels.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:04 | 2770306 KarlGDenninger
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Nono. There should be no violence. Biff has said. Lay down your weapon and follow me to salvation as we dig

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:30 | 2770377 Uncle Remus
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Original Dan Wesson Model 15-2 .357 - made in MA of all places.

Fri, 09/07/2012 - 01:01 | 2770657 Whoahthere
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All my girls know how to shoot, and deadly accurate.  Boyfriends usually take their girls to the shooting range or private property for target practice.  Not bad for Northern fucking California.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:26 | 2770368 technicalanarchy
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SW can even handle bearish with the SW 500. Bullish!

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:29 | 2770373 lolmao500
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Yeah but what are :

- the sales of ammo

- the sales of training courses

- the sales of reloading equipment

- the sales of food storage (because even if you have a gun and ammo, if food runs out, the government will ask your gun and your ammo for food, which many will do)

- the sales of body armor

??? Just guns doesn't cut it.

Thu, 09/06/2012 - 22:42 | 2770404 FRBNYrCROOKS
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Walmart cessed selling ammo. You have a gun but, can you buy ammo? I have 2 million rounds of hollow points I have been collecting for ten years! I don't own a gun. I don't need to. When the deal goes down I will trade a fine 9 mm. for ten rounds.

 

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