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First Official Greek Exit Polls: Pro-Bailout Parties Plunge; Anti-Bailout Radical Left, Neo-Nazis Soar
As we expected, the previous unofficial poll forecasts were total rubbish, and according to exit polls from NET TV, the results are as follows:
- New Democracy: 17-20%
- Pasok: 14-17%
- In a stunner, Syrizia, or the coalition of the radical left - a vehement anti-Bailout party - gets more votes than the ruling PASOK party: 15.5%-18.5%
- Independent Greeks: 10-12%
- Finally, and not surprisingly in the aftermath of the French results, the ultra right Golden Dawn gets 6-8% of the vote and will make it into Parliament
Visually from Athens News:
Tallied across, up to 60% of the new parliament will be anti-bailout (at least according to exit polls), and hence "Domino toppling." Good luck with that pro-bailout coalition government. Needless to say these results are very ugly and make any prospect of a pro-bailout coalition cabinet virtually impossible. Suddenly the fate of the European experiment is in the hands of the ultra right and the far left - yup, Neo-Nazis will determine the future of Europe. How quaint... again - congratulations Europe.
For much more on the implications of this stunning success of the anti-bailout powers, see here and here.
And to paraphrase Schrodinger Schauble:
"If Greek voters were to vote for a majority that does not honour those agreements, then Greece will have to bear the consequences of that" - RTRS
Here come the consequences - Mikaël Charozé will be a very busy man tonight.
Watch the developing election results, whose implications are far greater than anything out of France, live at Mega TV after the jump:
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More exit polls updates from Athens-News:
Public Issue for Skai
(min-max, in %)
- New Democracy 20.5-24.5
- Radical Left Coalition (Syriza) 14-18
- Pasok 13-17
- Communist Party 7-10.5
- Independent Greeks 7-10
- Democratic Left 6-9
- Golden Dawn 5-8
- Ecogreens 2-4
- Popular Orthodox Rally (Laos) 2-4
- Drasi 1-3
- Democratic Alliance 1-3
7pm Here are the results of the exit polls
(min-max, in %)
- New Democracy 17-20
- Radical Left Coalition (Syriza) 15.5-18.5
- Pasok 14-17
- Independent Greeks 10-12
- Communist Party 7.5-9.5
- Golden Dawn 6-8
- Democratic Left 4.5-6.5
- Popular Orthodox Rally (Laos) 2.5-3.5
- Democratic Alliance 2.5-3.5
- Ecogreens 2.5-3.5
- Drasi 2-2.8
- Recreate Greece 1.9-2.5
- Anticapitalist Left 1.2-2
- Others 2-4
And just to confirm that the world is losing it, in the Schleswig-Holstein election, according to ARD, after the CDU (with 30.5%), SPD with 29.5%, Green Party with 14%, and FDP with 8.5%, we get... the Pirate Party 8%.
So Neo-Nazis in Greece, Pirates in Germany: the world has officially lost it.
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Previous greek pm tried that after the no confidence vote, all three heads of greek armed services got replaced then re-instated on the same day.
How quaint indeed... hahahahaha
''If Greek voters were to vote for a majority that does not honour those agreements, then Greece will have to bear the consequences,'' Mr Schauble said.
Bring on the "consequences" Wolfie!
*gets out the popcorn*
Bullish...
I have always felt "multi-culturalism" is something of a crank notion, and especially in Europe. I mean have you read any History? The only reason it sort of works in the US is that most of us showed up about the same time the natives were plagued, massacred, and marginalized; albeit alot as inentured serfs and aboard slave ships. TPTB are toying with deep human drives to flock together and form nations, and its going to end atrociously. This is not a referendum just an observation.
I agree that folks over the age of 30 feel this way.....But the younger generation is coming to view ideas and thoughts as the new country boundary.
Duh! WTF?
Plus, "multi-culturalism" really fucks up the whole divide and conquer paradigm.
I guess you're right, supporting the elites that speak my language, though I have nothing in common with them, makes much more sense...
Merika! Fuck yeah!................ Tool.
Plus, "multi-culturalism" really fucks up the whole divide and conquer paradigm.
Homogenize and put in a iCatatonic state is soooo much easier than divide and conquer.
You obviously don't know much European history.
yep, if you allow the regular joe to vote, you usually get common sense. When plutocrats run the show, it is at the detriment of the regular joes.
Say it ain't so
Wow, there is even a slight possibility that Syriza at 18.5% can come in ahead of New Democracy at 17%.
Looks like Syriza will come in behind ND, but AHEAD of PASOK (watching live coverage 20 min before polls close @ http://www.megatv.com/ekloges2012/default.asp)
Edit: oops polls have been closed for 40 min.
someone should conduct an exit poll in the USA.....I bet the neo-nazi numbers are close to those in Greece.
Veee ave vays ov makin u tawk.....
The results of the Greek election are extremely encouraging, in spite of Zero Hedge’s Zionist, pro-banker analysis. For the benefit of the citizens of Greece, like all peoples of Europe, the ruling, banker-corrupted parties need to lose their positions, and to categorize opponents of the bank tyranny as Nazis, far-right wing, radical left, racists, is the inexcusable mark of a Zionist banker viewpoint.
It’s surprising to find this on Zero Hedge, but after all, it’s the weekend slant we have come to expect.
In the run-up to the Greek elections, Greek politicians were forced to hide themselves and stay away from the streets, not because of the violence of the opposition, but because of their incredible duplicity, dishonesty and outright larceny in their complete surrender to the banker takeover of Europe.
The results, in spite of this slanted report, are incredibly good.
Pro-banker? Zionist? Lol. You forgot CIA, Mossad, KGB and Triad spies and dodecatuple agents.
In other news, never let facts get in the way of deranged ramblings:
Finally, it was predicted here precisely a year ago that as a result of the modern financial model collapsing the first right will soar:
It is a sad fact that today once again our prediction was proven correct, because if nothing else it is truly the beginning of the end when people kill other people based on xenophobia, racism and ethnic hatred instead of directing their anger where it belongs: a system built on a foundation of lies and false promises which is unsustainable and is now crumbling.
The situation is no longer funny. The politicians were keeping a low profile and in hiding, not from the bankers, but from the people they are pledged to represent.
You didn't think they made hate a crime because of all the cross burning in the south did you?
Zerohedge is promoting a Zionist Banker viewpoint??? You don't write like a fucking idiot, but you seem to have a comprehension problem.
Zero Hedge is the one source for accurate reporting and viewpoints on the political connections to the world’s economy. That’s why it’s so important that when a ZH article strays wildly from the mark and supports the very policies that have led to a banker takeover of the sovereignties of European states and is pressing hard against the independence of this country that it be challenged.
If you doubt my words, reread the statements that have been put on today and read them carefully. They are dangerous and not in keeping with the reporting and opinions we’ve all come to expect on Zero Hedge.
If you are suggesting that promoting the increased leverage and power in the hands of international bankers is not a Zionist position then you are mistaken. Surely it is not necessary to repeat the last names of the top positions in international financial and governmental organizations throughout Europe and the United States that would suggest their ethnicity.
I would say you are the one warming up the ovens, not ZeroHedge.
Come on now, dont feed the trolls....
This is a difficult position that you are defending and in spite of the reckless charges you bring, if we are to save the sovereignty of our country, the independence of peoples of Europe will be extremely helpful support. I don’t know exactly where you stand, but as for me, I am opposed to tyranny.
I'm with you JR,
In this statement Tyler is undeniably pro-bailout, I don't see how anybody can construe it any other way. he calls it "very ugly". Then he makes a very cheap jibe by suggesting that the ultra right and far left will determine the future on "Europen experiment". I think Tyler forgot what democracy is.
"Good luck with that pro-bailout coalition government. Needless to say these results are very ugly and make any prospect of a pro-bailout coalition cabinet virtually impossible. Suddenly the fate of the European experiment is in the hands of the ultra right and the far left - yup, Neo-Nazis will determine the future of Europe. How quaint... again - congratulations Europe."
In answer to your added last sentence, the big news is not what Zero Hedge does on Sunday. The big news is what Greece did. I’m very happy with it. All the pluses and minuses and lols make no difference. The big news is that the Greek people saw that the two leading political parties, the parties that control the Parliament, are pro-banker, pro-bailout and anti-sovereignty. These leading parties were selling out the independence of the Greek people; a far more important resource than the economy.
Once the sovereignty was gone it would have been very difficult to retrieve it from the bankers in Brussels.
'You get panicky when the wheels of your SUV hit the rumble patch on the shoulder of the highway, so you throw the steering wheel in the opposite direction to get the vehicle back on the road. This is a classic example of overcorrecting or oversteering, and it's a particularly perilous maneuver when you're behind the wheel of an SUV driving on the highway at high speeds. Consider it a rollover waiting to happen. More than four per cent of automobile fatalities a year occur because of drivers overcorrecting.'
I'm neutral on this result. Somewhere, somehow, some nation will over-correct --politically speaking-- leading to disasterous results. The crimes are all history, let it be.
Gene, I would suggest that we are already "leading to disasterous results". I would also suggest that there isn't just one nation that has already over-corrected but several have in unison.
That isn't what I meant. On the European continent, presently, the trend is a huge wave of nationalism which I see as a counter to the capitalist privatization take-over since Thatcherism that is now in its end game. The sentiment of nationalism, is fine per se but can easily veer out of control if it gets co-opted by moneyed interests who are always searching out such enthusiasm for exploitative purposes. Especially in times of crises when people are looking to blame some group or other.
Time and again who suffers most? The poor, the minorities, the outcasts, the disabled. Who profits? The status quo.
Regarding the items added in your third installment, Tyler, consider me an opponent of the loss of freedom for Greek citizens. For those thousands of Greeks who cast votes for fringe parties, they, like me, are not to be identified as supporters of those parties’ beliefs. But like me, they will use an available method to stop the loss of their freedoms.
The available method is to remove from office those politicians in the bailout parties and begin to reform a government to serve Greeks instead of bankers.
Those who would point to the dangers of the fringe at this critical moment in Europe’s future are only adding to the support of tyranny.
George Orwell’s Animal Farm was turned down four times by publishing houses because, as Orwell wrote in 1945, “Unpopular ideas can be silenced, and inconvenient facts kept dark”… not because the Government intervened but because of a general tacit agreement that ‘it wouldn’t do.’”
Said Orwell in his book preface not published until 2000: “Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness.”
Animal Farm was censored because it criticized the Russian Soviets and their two dictators and used pigs to depict the USSR’s ruling caste, i.e., the Bolsheviks.
“At this moment,” wrote Orwell, “what is demanded by the prevailing orthodoxy is an uncritical admiration of Soviet Russia… Stalin is sacrosanct and certain aspects of his policy must not be seriously discussed. This rule has been almost universally observed since 1941, but it had operated, to a greater extent than is sometimes realized, for ten years earlier than that… any doubt on the wisdom of Stalin was a kind of blasphemy… The endless executions in me purges of 1936-8 were applauded...and it was considered equally proper to publicize famines when they happened in India and to conceal them when they happened in me Ukraine…”
Wrote Orwell: “Hardly anyone will print an attack on Stalin, but it is quite safe to attack Churchill…”
Is not an uncriticial admiration for the banker oligarchy the Establishment's prevailing orthodoxy today?
Succinctly, the so-called then defenders of “western democracy” used their power over public opinion to destroy all independence of thought, just as they are doing now. Said Orwell: This argument was used, for instance, to justify the Russian purges…to justify the quite conscious lying that went on in the leftwing press about the Trotskyists and other Republican minorities in the Spanish civil war…”
His conclusion, in which I concur: “The result of preaching totalitarian doctrines is to weaken the instinct by means of which free peoples know what is or is not dangerous.”
Regarding your fourth installment:
“It is a sad fact that today once again our prediction was proven correct, because if nothing else it is truly the beginning of the end when people kill other people based on xenophobia, racism and ethnic hatred instead of directing their anger where it belongs: a system built on a foundation of lies and false promises which is unsustainable and is now crumbling. – Tyler Durden
Wasn’t it one of ours who said:” I know what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty or give me death”? This comment was made to answer those Americans who would choose surrender to the established form of government slavery.
BTW, I am not one who stands with the goals of the fringe but I would stand with those Greeks who would rather be Greeks than European slaves.
I’m only wondering what the next addition will be now that the “populist whiplash” that will “devolve to restoring borders” is gone.
Big Picture: The fact that this is occurring in this day and age speaks volumes of the current state.
"To categorize opponents of the bank tyranny as Nazis, far-right wing, radical left, racists, is the inexcusable mark of a Zionist banker viewpoint."
Err...from Wiki re: Golden Dawn:
According to the Party's charter, "only Aryans in blood and Greeks in descent can be candidate members of Golden Dawn".The charter also puts the leader in total control of the party, and formalizes the use of the Hitlergruss for party members. At first, the party embraced neo-Pagan beliefs, in accordance to Nazi occultism, describing Marxism and liberalism as "the ideological carriers of Judeo-Christianity." Later, however, the party underwent ideological changes, embracing Eastern Orthodox Christianity.
Gotta love the colors of their flag: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meandros_flag.svg Reminds me of another...
Not that I or any ZH regular minds which nutjobs hold the balance of power in Greece, as long as it assists in bringing about the collapse of the € and the political elite who have trampled over the the rights of the masses to defend their €utopian ideology.
Stick around kid. You might learn this is the only site that regularly hosts sniperscope ads and kill the banker comments without deleting them. Anti semitism isnt tolerated but anti zionist oligarchic banking rants are encouraged. Just ask our token zionist xenofrog or xenosomething
Turning Nazi is the only way Greece will ever rid themselves of the tyranny of the evil joo bankers.
Just remember we aint against joos just joo bankers and maybe a few zionists.
What would we do without the likes of Seinfield and captain kirk?
The same banksters funded the original Nazis? ? ? Yes.
This is the occultist dialectic hard at work. Nothing new.
US citizens do not disagree with tyranny, they disagree with being tyranized.
Confusian saying:
"When you come to fork in road, crap on the roadside."
For the benefit of the citizens of Greece, like all peoples of Europe, the ruling, banker-corrupted parties need to lose their positions, and to categorize opponents of the bank tyranny as Nazis, far-right wing, radical left, racists, is the inexcusable mark of a Zionist banker viewpoint.
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No. It is a US citizen perception of reality.
There are still propagandists left among US citizens, while they are losing to fantasists.
Useless for them to masquerade nazis as nazis because the nazis are nazis.
Useless for them to masquerade radical left as radical left because the radical left is radical left.
All those groups want to be the ones benefiting from the US citizen ponzi economics. As it grows less and less possible that the current number of US citizens can benefit from the ponzi all at once, battle for the state apparatus has to be.
You know, exercize of power is what determines on which side of the US citizen economics fence you'll be.
US citizens practice selective 'responsibility'. They want the consequent gains of actions while rejecting the consequent loss of actions.
If you do not exert power in a US citizen society, in any form, that is, you'll end being stripped from the positive consequences of your actions while being burdened not only with the negative consequences of your own actions but all with the negative consequences of the US citizens in power.
This is US citizenism.
Confusius say:
"US citizenism is nothing more than Chinese citizenism looking in mirror."
I predict the Monday morning on the exchanges is going to resemble the home coming parade in "Animal House!
You mean the ROTC dork crying "All is wellll" to the, in this case the fleeing investor class? They're already out the exits . Just computers and Treserve proxies trading these days.
Deathmobile with Dimon's head for a hood ornament would be a good start.
"Suddenly the fate of the European experiment is in the hands of the ultra right and the far left - yup, Neo-Nazis will determine the future of Europe."
gee, I wonder what else is new. despite "Golden Dawn" (Golden Shower at Dawn?) it's nice to see some democracy at last.
J.C. de Jager... where are you now? http://www.telegraaf.nl/dft/nieuws_dft/10551845/__De_Jager_verwacht_dat_...
got gold?
Now cometh THE GREAT DEPRESSION....
Given that the biggest party gets an extra 50 seats in parliament (out of 300), ND and Pasok only need 41% of the votes...
Current results of about a third of the vote project 112 seats for ND and 43 for Pasok, still plenty of room for forming a coalition to ram austerity down Greek throats for several more years.
Uberbullish for markets, I reckon.
I'm sure if Bush can get away with bucking the exit poll trend in Florida, then Greeks probably have something similar up their sleeves
And in Ohio.
LIVE STREAMING: 'Greece Election Results'
http://www.megatv.com/ekloges2012/default.asp
Did everyone else also get an ad for a certain German automaker at the beginning of this stream?
Merc? Yep. Like the new mother of pearl trim in the dash. Oh wait, that isn't mother of pearl, it is TEETH from dead Greeks!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INnFvMgET1E
Take em bowling!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfrQ8ZutmLE
Take em to the zoo!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkbAKRorh-U
A big fuck you to the establishment in Greece. No austerity No bailout for the banks.
The Greeks are tough and stubborn enough to literally set their country on fire before they allow thselves to be co-optedJ. You've got the boiling point temperature of a middle eastern country but with freedom of access of a western country. An excellent combination that will likely end so badly in terms of destruction and violence that TPTB will think twice about trying to manipulate again.
The Greeks need to be informed and supported by independent outside
voices.
n? k?y? g?i w? piányì yìdi?n ma? ("can I get it a little cheaper?")
Many of the current TBTB will be watching the fires from their yachts offshore.
So how is it that Europe has not managed to "fix" their big elections like we have here? If they only presented candidates acceptable to TPTB like they do in the States, they wouldn't be having these issues with the people thinking they can change things. Uppity Greeks.
Who cares in Nazis run Europe. It's never caused any problems there in the past. Whats the big deal?
Whoopsies, kink is king!
"Neo-Nazis soar"?
That's a headline that would make crypto-jew supremacist, disinfo agent Alex Jones proud.
From way under the parliamentary bar to 8%. That is NOT TO SOAR?!?
Exactly. And Greek nationalists would have been a better description.
Checkin out their flag would make all descriptions unnecessary..
In the "UNOFFICIAL Exit Polls" thread, I wrote:
"This is the third round of major elections in Greece since the crisis began, and it is looking more like an exercise in a mass masochism fetish. If they vote for the Status Quo Austerity Pigs, and/or vote in more Neo-Nazis/Fascists, then we might as well write them off."
These Anti-Bankster numbers are encouraging-- the Golden Dawn numbers, not so much.
Bring back the Drachma, and I'll buy Greece's Olive, Grape, and Dairy products like I used to-- back when I lived in Sardinia, and visited Greece often-- before the Euro. I used to go to a nice wine bar in Athens, pay ~US$1.25 for 2-litres of fantastic local wine; US$5.00 for a huge can of EV Olive Oil... I'd much prefer to deal directly with Greece under the Drachma, and without the EU Skimmers tripling and quadroupling the price.
Official results: http://ekloges.ypes.gr/v2012a/public/index.html?lang=en
some, when they think of Greek 'fascism' will think, not of the American puppet regiime of 1967-74,
but of the regime of Ioannis Metaxas, who sorted out the political mayhem of the 20s and 30s,
put the place in order, told the Austrian banks to piss off, and told Mussolini the same.
You could conclude that an 'orderly system' could help Greece to stay on the straight and narrow,
if the laws stop oligarchies from robbing the people, while too much freedom leads
to too much anti-democratic democracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ioannis_Metaxas
So far every election since the start of the crisis has been won by anti bailout forces, it's one thing to run on a platform another to fight you masters. I include Obama with hope and change in that as well.
There comes a point, though, when the actual weight on one side of the scale, overcomes the weight of the thumb on the other side of the scale.
Ireland had a General Election in 2011 and they are still taking the bailouts and bending the public over for that ass raping.
Tyler Durden wrote:
I believe that these Greek, electoral results likely foreshadow the future, electoral results here in the USA. In a few years, Occupy Wall Street will be much larger than it is now. Furthermore, in a few years, a new, right-wing, political party will form in the USA, and it will probably be well to the right of the TEA party. Why? Because the TEA party largely favors increased, legal immigration, which would, of course, only increase the 22% unemployment rate in the USA -- and that result is NOT what true conservatives want. The new, right-wing party will be vehemently anti-immigrant, anti-H-1B visa, anti-L-1 visa, anti TN-1 visa.
These left-&-right parties will both be able to affect American political developments, either peacefully or otherwise. Moreover, the higher the inflation and unemployment rates become, the greater the influence these new parties will have.
-- Paul D. Bain
paulbain@pobox.com
He also wrote,
"Since these numbers differ massively with what opinion polls predicted as recently as 2 weeks ago, and indicate the status quo is likely to persist, we urge everyone to take these with a huge grain of salt."
Just sayin....
"Because the TEA party largely favors increased, legal immigration"
Ummmm... Citation requested.
You seem to be looking at some other TEA Party-- perhaps the one some little girl is having with her dolls and stuffed animals.
Let's ask Clyde Frog.
+1 HA HA HA!
The US will have a new political party.
HA HA HA HA
May 15th will be Greek doomsday (hopefully) when they won't be able to repay Euro 430m
Bring it on. I have been waiting four goddamn years for the fucking movie to start.
http://ekloges.ypes.gr/v2012a/public/index.html?lang=en#{"cls":"level","params":{"level":"epik","id":1}}
the greek election number generator
it is not who votes that counts but who counts the votes
In other news, French exit polls point to a Sarkozy loss for what it's worth.
You don't say??? Sarkozy loss was obvious months ago.
oxi!
Hey America, neo-nazis are already running your country. They came over after WWII during operation paperclip. They gave you homeland security, TSA, ACTA, and other laws brought to you by comrade Obama.
Perhaps Wallstreet can invest in neo-nazis in Europe, just like they invested in nazi-Germany. Profit margins were good: it launched the militairy-industrial complex after all.
After this rant, this European who is sick and tired of Europe-bashing on ZH, is going to have a nice cold beer and hope that Americans realize that everybody in the West is being screwed.
Can I join you with a cold Amstel and an Ouzo?
Yamas!
"homeland security and TSA...brought to you by comrade..."
Microcephaloid.
EXCELLENT!
And now you know why the US has given all those tanks to the Greek government. Just you wait... the banksters won't get screwed, they'll get their Greek slaves, whatever the cost... coup d'etat if necessary!
IMO we're less than a year away before NATO or the EU sends troops to occupy Greece to ``liberate it`` from the nazis...
We dont give tanks for free. The greeks will pay us back with a few discrete renditions or a nice new shiny cia station on a cool island
I dislike Sarkosy.
I hope he loses.
The debate in greece has been noisy and boisterous. Makes an a true believer in rule by republic proud. Their consensus is they can chose the standard of living of croatia or pakistan. We will see if pasok and new democracy can manage the slide. I always found as a kid once i started down the slide you cant get off until u hit bottom
Oops tyler u edited ur post before my comment was published. Pakistan here we come. Whoopee! See u in hell bitchez
Tyler Durden wrote:
"So Neo-Nazis in Greece, Pirates in Germany: the world has officially lost it."
The Pirate Party might be what Germany and the world needs... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Party
Of course, no-one needs the neo-nazis.
As opposed to "the world has officially lost it," I suggest this as more accurate today: "The Banksters have officially lost it."
I agree the Pirate Party is worth a second look.
I won't believe the banksters lost until I see them hanging and the life escaping their bodies.
And kind of a shame that Merkel the cunt still got 30% of votes...
Europe is about to explode.
You NEED to read this about green de-industrialisation, carbon cap, and purposeful crushing of european economies!!
Countries are being de-industrialised to prevent them from manufacturing war materials.
http://www.germanywatch.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/de-industrialisation-in-war.html
This means that for 2 years greece has been under the rule of a 15% party...
And it would be even lower if they didnt have some thousands under their payroll, and other retards with normalcy bias supporting them
The greek minority got the majority to go along using fear mongering. Much like the US after 911.
I'm confused. Is Zero Hedge saying that to go along with the bankster bailout is good and not going along with a stupid plan to solve a credit problem with credit is bad"? Off the bankster scum! Maybe I'm reading this wrong. Tyler is perhaps the worst communicator I have ever followed.
Yes you are right. You are confused.
Keep reading kid. It is possible to embrace free market capitalism and libertariani and be against the oligarchic unholy alliance of bankers and politicians who subvert the law for their own benefit.
Letting failure fail as we should in free markets would have been the simplest way to end the corrupt bankopolitical system but people on the left and right were fooled into bailing out the banking elite rather than pull an iceland on their asses
Jake, you're right. Tyler is pro-bailout.
"Needless to say these results are very ugly and make any prospect of a pro-bailout coalition cabinet virtually impossible."
It almost looks like he got Million Dollar Bogus to write that line.
So trains start running finally on time in Greece?
As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.
Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler
and there u have it. Coming soon to the USSA.
Socialist Party challenger François Hollande has beaten incumbent Nicolas Sarkozy in a tight run-off election to win the French presidency with 51.9% of the vote to Sarkozy’s 48.1%, according to French polling centre IPSOS.
just saw the first press conferenceof golden dawn. The leader warned all the politicians and media
that insulted his party, to watch out.
You will find that they will enforce a certain type of policing of the political system which
will include violence.
I'm gonna reserve judgement, but some bullshitting politicians are gonna need round-the-clock
police protection, and that kind of fear of the people is what is needed to make them begin
to take the public seriously.
The Greeks know that the main parties will continue to screw the economy for decades, because
tht's what they've been told to do. They gambled with the full Vichy stance because now nobody believes
the usual suspects will sort things out. So, the people decided to risk it all.
Watch and learn because if the System doesn't collapse soon, it's coming to your countries.
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi, fortunately or unfortanately based on your perspective, such killing is not allowed in a country where rule of law , freedom of speech, and dignity of the indiviual is paramount and enforced by the a government with integrity. If the Nazis get a peice of power and attempt to leverage it with violence they would loose their integrity and their claims to governmental jurisprudence. Bring it on MFRs. I hope their is enough rope both for the Nazis and the banksters.
I said I won't judge now. I don't exactly what they'll do. I don't know what they believe.
But, they seem to be making the guilty politicians quake in their boots.
If you understand the situation that Greece is in, you'll understand that extreme right
parties benefit from a country in full chaos mode. Greece is being occupied by a bunch
of bankster pussies who are hiding behind the muppets in the Grk parliament.
The parliament has long since become a kabuki theatre.
Where's the integrity? Where's the rule of law? where's the dignity?
To philophise like you are, you must live in a rich, relatively democratic country.
I hope this Fascistic Bankster System doesn't get to your country.
Let's watch. Shall we?
You are right I live in a rich, relatively democratic country not because I am lucky or blessed. It is because my father took a bullet in Korea and my grandfather took a bullet in D-day +_6hours. To the core of my soul my actions are executed with the Primary Goal of honour to them. My children will be taught accordingly. To honour them, I pursue peace, prosperity, and good will to men through the manifestation of freedom in all avenues of contemporay reality be it personal, religious, political or capital. Capital has not been free for decades nor has free market capitilism. Government controlled fiat that equates debt to money which through hypothecation and other incestuous corrupt practices tilits the playing field away from equal oportunity for all.
Starve the beast, boycot taxes and debt. The Greek tax evaders, although not meaning to, have become the blitzkreigers against the unholy state/bank monopoly. Absolute control corrupts absolutely leading to idiocy in leadership as their encapsulation with yes-men left them be exposed to the systemic risk of the greek tax evasion.
Good always overcome evil for this reason and is why I have eternal hope in the direst of circumstances.
If I did not live in democratic country I would be dead as I would refuse to yield to the status quo. The current attempt by the banksters is old news, they lost before and they wil loose now. Go Thomas Jefferson Go. Stay tuned.
i like lots of your ideas.
you've understood much of reason for Greek tax revolts.
Unfortunately, instead of Greece becoming more 'normal', the rest of the world will begin
behaving like Greeks as the full-on corruption of their leaders becomings exceedingly clear.
The worst thing about austerity is that it doesn't provide nearly enough money to
balance the books. It's just politicians doing what they think they can get away with
demanding from people as they keep printing money to give to banksters.
Let's hang them in the correct order:
1. banksters
2. bankster stooges and apologists
3. politicians who backed the banksters
4. fascists
So Neo-Nazis in Greece, Pirates in Germany: the world has officially lost it.
Oh really?
And when people don't vote R or D in the US, they also have lost it?
Or did I get a snarky meant comment into the wrong pipe.
So I take it diversity is not all that it's cracked up to be, Tyler? :)
Does that mean the Greek Citizens will start paying the correct TAX they owe?
the rich don't pay. The rich in your country don't pay taxes as they should.
you pay your taxes. What do you get for your taxes?
Tax revolts are the way of the future.
Even the middle class found ways to avoid paying tax. Thats one of the reasons why Greece is in the shitter.
Governement workers getting two "saleries" aswell. They deserve all they are getting.
Far left or right?
I always find it amazing. The emergence of the far left or right shows a failing democracy. The argument is the issues that both these sides can hold only comes about because the moderating arguments and hence actions of a real democracy are non-exisant.
The wonderul ruling elite, the policy setters chose to ignore the issues and a moderate solution that should never have occurred to begin with. After that just ever more totalitarian controls, deceptions, market manipualtions, etc. until you look in the mirror and realise you now live in a dictatorship.
To comprehend the scale of the meltdown in the elections..
2009 elections.
Socialists 43%...today circa 16%
Golden Dawn(Far right) 0.3%...today 7%
'Independent Greeks'(Right) 0%...today circa 11%
Oh goody!!
EUR?USSD @ 1.40?
uh, no. I would expect this to weaken the euro, not strengthen it. It should approach parity with the dollar as people realize that the experiment has failed, and that the euro will eventually disappear.
Correct. 1:1
GBP/EUR? Which pair?
FUCK GREECE. NO-WONDER THEY ARE A BUNCH OF FUCK UPS. THEY VOTE FOR NEO-NAZIS.
The Nazi's weren't right or left.
And, this is ridiculously bullish for gold.
Only when all these names, Nazi/Commie/right wing/left wing/banker etc. come to mean the same thing (FAIL) to everyone will there be progress on Planet Earth.
Forza Syrizia, let the hanging of bankster and their stooges begin tomorrow, starting with Goldman Papademos and Gauleiter Reichenbach!
Phew...it feels good to be Greek today..
Fuck the bailout and the euro.
That one of every 14 voted Nazi (Golden Dawn) is a very telling stat. Remember that Hitler never won a political majority in elections but still went on to become chancellor. What will be interesting to me is whether or not any other parties or politicians will serve with the Nazis in any coalition government, I know I would not, prefering to resign rather than to allow a Nazi to be seated next to me.
Hitler won power through shady backroom deals and using his position to ride roughshot over everybody else and banning all other parties (ie abolishing democracy). This is exactly standard operating procedure for the EuroSoviet and their IMF and bankster buddies. They keep saying "people can vote for any government they want but we (banksters/IMF/EuroSoviet) make the policies...".
The merger of corporate/bankster power with government is defined as fascism, so the installation of the 'trojka' in Greece was a bankster/IMF coup d'etat. The EU was founded so politicians could eventually abolish democracy and rule by decree through Brussels... elections for meaningless and powerless parliaments remain so they can keep upi the pretense.
Most people do not realize that governments say a million bad things about Hitler but then try to figure out how to sugar coat his blueprint to power for themselves
They all keep saying they are protecting you from the next Hitler.. they are just protecting themselves from the next Hitler
Hitler won an election in a democratic republic without a Mainstream media spewing his propaganda daily.
Actually he never did win an election, not even with the full power of the state and media behind him in march 1933 he fell short of a majority (43%) and still needed a coalition partner to keep being in majority. Of course, that's when he had the luminous idea 'what if we ban all other parties'...
Hitlers appointment as chancellor came when his party started fading in the polls, and had dropped from 37 to 31% in the 1932 elections (the year he also lost the presidential election 60-40 to Hindenburg). In short, Hitler never won an election but was appointed in a shady backroom deal with conservative monarchists and industrialists (whom he quickly stabbed in the back).
As a sidenote, Hitler had a long memory, it had been the conservative catholic monarchist Bavarian leader Gustav von Kahr who had blocked his coup d'etat in 1923... as a reward, von Kahr was hacked to death with pickaxes in 1934 during the night of the long knives. Hitler did not forget, and certainly did not forgive betrayal. At the end in 1945 he declared 'the German people have proven themselves unworthy of me'.
Also, industralists who were less than enthusiastic would see their holding pretty quickly confiscated by the state. And those that were on paper allowed to 'keep' their property had to tolerate Nazi party appointed managers and forced to pay sums to the party for 'protection'.
He never won a majority, it was when the government collapsed and Hindenburg named him (reluctantly) chancellor that he formed a new government of mostly rightwingers like Von Papen, but he did not, and could not have further consolidated power because chancellor was head of government but not head of state, that was President - Hindenburg, but he was able to curtail liberties after the Reichstag fire with the enabling acts signed by Hindenburg. It was not till Hindenburg died the following year (1934) that Hitler consolidated the offices of chancellor and president and made himself dictator.
But, that is not the point in the Greek elections, the shocking reality is that Greeks are fed up enough to give 15% of the vote to communists of the far left and nazis of the far right. Fifteen percent does not sound like a lot but it is one of every 6.6 voters, more than one in seven cast a ballot for either nazis or communists. This is a recipe for civil war. At the very least it means the euro bailout is dead and a failure, and I would now rate a breakup of the EZ before this year is done at better than 70%, that is with at least two countries leaving.
Also, the plebicite in Ireland to ratify the ESM treaty is just three weeks away and the people there see both Greece and France saying ENOUGH of austerity and rule from Frankfurt. It will be interesting to what effect this has in Ireland, my spur of the moment thought is that the Irish are going to say if the Greeks and French can give the ECB and Germans the stiff middle finger so can we.
Bear in mind that there was a complete blackout in the media regarding Golden Dawn.
I don't see any difference - if Greeks actually paid taxes then it would matter but since they were getting bailouts anyway without then the bailouts are realy just a heist to the fools backstopping the banks. Nothing in Greece matters. So..will the fine taxpaying folks in Germany/USA funding the bank loans stand up to this crime?
IT WOULD BE EPIC IF THE NAZIS COME TO POWER AND TAKE OVER EUROPE AGAIN BUT FROM GREECE THIS TIME. OBAMA WILL BE FDR #2 AND BE PRESIDENT FOR 12 MORE YEARS.
YOU KNOW, IF THE USA #1 REALLY THOUGHT GREECE, SPAIN, OR ITALY WILL BRING ON ANOTHER FINANCIAL CRISIS, THEY COULD JUST BOMB THE SHIT OUT OF THEM.
None of this should be surprising. Global capitalism and international finance depredate the people, take away their wealth, and concentrate money and power in a few - and you are surprised by their reaction? Does no one realize that this is exactly how Hitler was voted into office?
Capitalism as practised is inherently unstable and cannot be repaired. A system where wealth is concentrated in a few hands cannot be made stable. The dispossessed are always going to revert to nationalism and socialism when they are made into paupers by international financiers. WWII started the same way. Keynes warned about this, and it was one of the only things he got right (see "The economic consequences of the peace," written after WWI.)
Yet no one will listen. Capitalism does not work, and neither does collectivism of any form. They both end in oligarchy and plutocracy and slavery. It astounds me that everyone seems to think that we only have these two choices. We are incapable of thinking beyond them. Do you never suspect that you have been brainwashed into a false choice?
US citizen economics would lead to an unstable state of things.
But the question following your post is to know whether or not concentraion of wealth and power is made possible in an unstable environment.
The answer is yes, yes, yes. Not only that, but unstability can be monetized and be a factor of concentration of wealth and power.
Indeed, if you do not aim for concentration of wealth and power, US citizen economics do not work. If you aim for that, as US citizens do, US citizen economics work. It is unarguable at this stage of US citizenism development.
One could even dispute that unstability is to develop within US citizen economics.
Concentration of wealth and power happen through various conduits. The US citizen economics ponzi as much often is a bottom to top concentration of wealth scheme, with middle levels taking their share of the loot.
US citizen middle class is the king class in US citizenism.
Keeping the King the head of the society warrants stability.
What is going on right now is that the US citizen class is way too numerous for the world resources to sustain.
Some middle class US citizens are slipping out, no longer part of the covenant. They will be flushed over the rest of the world where unstability is absolutely not detrimental to concentration of wealth and power.
Strawsman:
Just yesterday this pointy-eared devil said:
One of his weirdo Confusian sayings is, "in US citizenism, the middle class is the king class."
Except when they're cannon fodder for the reptilians in charge.
Of course we're viewing everything through the rose colored glasses of US citizenism, so we are automatically incorrect in all of our perceptions, decisions, judgements, opinions, and actions.
We may believe that US citizenism and Chinese citizenism are total bullshit concepts, but that's because US citizenism has taken control of the mind of every American and thus forced us to create the fantasy of Chinese citizenism. Our thoughts are not even our own, they're just pre-programmed US citizenism commands. We are nothing more than somnambulatory robots, slaves to our own middle class kingly existence. We cannot help but to be always wrong about everything and can never change for the better, so it is proper for AnAnonymous, who is always correct about everything, to condemn all Americans endlessly.
No need for consistency when one is always correct about all things.
I don't doubt your sincerity, but I have to reject your argument on the basis of "too many isms," also know as terminal ismism, or "unintelligibility." Sorry.
i don't understand the mocking tone so well. why should they vote for the pro bailout establishment parties? of course things are getting extreme and the voters choices as well.
Green Party got 2.5%. Pretty sad when you get a third the votes of the NAZIS!