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Guest Post: America's "Do As I Say, Not As I Do" Warfare

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Submitted by James E. Miller of the Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada,

Last week the New York Times ran an article adapted from David E. Sanger’s new book “Confront and Conceal: Obama’s Secret Wars and Surprising Use of American Power” which detailed President Obama’s efforts at waging a secretive cyber war with Iran.  This report coincided with the revealing of the heinous and dictatorial decision process Obama and his close advisers go through when ordering the assassination of “militants” who they conveniently provide no evidence of legit criminal activity for.  The cyber war program, code-named Olympic Games, began under George W. Bush but like most of the illegal and morally corrupt foreign policy initiatives carried out by the former President, they have been pursued ever more vigorously by Obama.  From the continual drone assaults that take the lives of civilians and children to this new episode of covert but blatant cyber warfare, the so-called peace candidate of “hope and change” has revealed himself to be nothing more than another puppet of the affluent military industrial complex.

The success of the cyber attack, which Israel helped develop, has met mixed reviews.  While Obama administration officials claim it put back Iran’s nuclear enrichment by over a year, some experts say the Iranian regime recovered “quickly.”  Whether or not what is known as the Stuxnet virus was successful is really not the matter at hand however.  It’s yet another small instance of the encroaching authoritarianism and lack of restraint that defines the modern day office of the President.  Before the September 11th attacks, it was inconceivable that a sitting U.S. President could order the assassination of an American citizen without the luxury of charging him with a crime.  Now it’s met with a saddening indifference in the news media.

The real issue is what the Stuxnet worm stands for and that is an unapologetic act of war carried out by a government that continually portrays itself as the worldwide keeper of peace.

Last year the Pentagon concluded “that computer sabotage coming from another country can constitute an act of war” according to the Wall Street Journal.  Back in 2010, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton declared “countries or individuals that engage in cyber attacks should face consequences and international condemnation.”

So what makes the U.S. government’s cyber warfare efforts different from those which are denounced as acts of aggression?  The answer is nothing.  Besides murder, state enforcers specialize in hyperbolic statements to shroud their true agenda.  The President goes on television to berate foreign dictators for murdering their own people while happily ordering his own death sentences unilaterally.  Members of Congress tell the American people their tireless efforts and deliberations are keeping them safe while accepting kickbacks from military contractors.  Intelligence agencies such as the F.B.I. and C.I.A. pretend to foil terrorist plots when in reality they find highly susceptible dopes to fill with propaganda, arm, and arrest.  Even your local police department claims to protect and serve while routinely harassing your neighbors with arbitrary fines and refusing to let you videotape them.  And that’s when they aren’t tazing pregnant women or homeless men to death.

The “do as I say not as I do” practice is one of the defining features of the state.  As influential libertarian writer Albert Jack Nock accurately noted:

the State claims and exercises the monopoly of crime. . . . It forbids private murder, but itself organizes murder on a colossal scale. It punishes private theft, but itself lays unscrupulous hands on anything it wants, whether the property of citizen or of alien.

One look at the pathetic state of Constitution in the U.S. shows just how futile the concept of limited government really is.  The document has been torn to shreds by politicians who preached short term necessity and privilege over constrained power.  There is no way one “ Goddamned piece of paper,” as President Bush is alleged to have called it, was going to act as a credible inhibitor to the sociopathic and power lusting aspirations of all public officials.  Mankind has proven capable of developing private systems of justice and arbitration.  Constitutional government is merely a fabrication, like Santa Clause, for gullible adults.

Leviathan’s growth and command over private life is both explicit through outright theft (taxation) and hidden by verbal chicanery.  Those who buy into the naïve notion that “we” are the government have been fooled into unquestioned obedience.  As Murray Rothbard writes:

The useful collective term “we” has enabled an ideological camouflage to be thrown over the reality of political life. If “we are the government,” then anything a government does to an individual is not only just and untyrannical but also “voluntary” on the part of the individual concerned. If the government has incurred a huge public debt which must be paid by taxing one group for the benefit of another, this reality of burden is obscured by saying that “we owe it to ourselves”; if the government conscripts a man, or throws him into jail for dissident opinion, then he is “doing it to himself” and, therefore, nothing untoward has occurred. Under this reasoning, any Jews murdered by the Nazi government were not murdered; instead, they must have “committed suicide,” since they were the government (which was democratically chosen), and, therefore, anything the government did to them was voluntary on their part.

The state purports to represent the people when all it does is leech off their labor in order to commit crimes at home and abroad.  Under the auspices of keeping democracy safe around the world, the foreign policy of the U.S. government has been one of bombing, killing, and overall domination.  Meanwhile, anti-American sentiment continues to spread by instances such as the C.I.A. targeting civilian responders to drone strikes who attempt to aid those who were attacked.  In some cases, the C.I.A. even launches drone attacks at the mourners in funerals held for those in earlier strikes.

These are the measures under which the American people are told they are being kept safe.  What would be constituted as war by any other nation is not so when carried out by the U.S. government.  But it’s all just another facade through which Washington pretends to serve the people when in reality it puts them in even more danger.


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Thu, 06/07/2012 - 21:22 | 2505895 Clashfan
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Gosh, Crockett--again, thanks for your time, sincerely. But you are not answering either of my two main questions, and you, who have struggled to distance yourself from Rand on the necessity of government, quote her. And her quote is so fubared that I can barely begin to address it, but she is actually the one defending parasitism by pretending that folks like the Rothschilds (She was R's lover and apparently had AS dictated to her by him) are the creator class when they are actually the parasitic class.

I don't want to give up on this interaction with you, so I hope that I'm not putting you off. But I'm sure that you, as I do, value honesty in these interactions, and this looks like tripe to me. I would not support Stalin, would not try to tell you what to eat for lunch as long as it's not me (I'm not sure where that came from or how it fits into anything I asked), and I certainly put no faith in Bushmonkey, I'llbombya, or whoever "the next guy" may be.

I might ask, with humble intent, that you re-read my question. And again, seriously, thanks for the time. I'm sorry that we're disagreeing, but as for this last response of yours, I'm disappointed, unimpressed, and left to wonder if you even understood my questions. :)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:58 | 2498520 AnAnonymous
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see, upon reading the entire article that you have selectively quoted from it and that you are full of shit.


The quote is hardly unrepresentative of US citizen Hoppe's pattern of thinking.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 04:15 | 2498580 Clashfan
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Him not as furr of shit as Chinese loadside. You furr of shit, too. You go make blown Chinese stinky baby now. You go.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:16 | 2498176 Piranhanoia
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Why complain about all your benefits old man?   You have the right to see Drudge tell his side of the story?    You live in WI?

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:44 | 2498334 Prometheus418
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I do live in Wisconsin, so before anyone gets too psyched up about the turnout numbers, I will say that from what I saw, it was easily the highest turnout I've ever seen.  I would not be surprised a bit to find out that the real, legitimate turnout numbers are somwhere around 90%.  They had a new layout for my little town, which thankfully cut down the length of the lines, but when I drove past the township next to us on my way home from work, there was a line about a quarter mile long leading to the poll.  That township has one bar, one church, and one municipal building.  The way it looked, everyone in that ward was there in line.

And even though they had the lines and layout streamlined, it still caused the only traffic jam I've ever seen in our town of 3000.  Interesting times we live in, hopefully now people will move on to other issues- if it doesn't resolve it, there are a lot of people that seemed right on the edge of violence over the argument.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 04:23 | 2498583 Disenchanted
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Just curious, but did you vote on a paper ballot that would then be counted by actual local people using a verifiable and secure process?


If not, good luck.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:17 | 2498178 Gringo Viejo
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At this point in time, I've obviously offended 4 Communists or 4 buttfuckers,

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:25 | 2498198 skepticCarl
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Your logic was exceeded only by your eloquence and nuance.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:49 | 2498240 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1 to you as well sceptic.  Short and sweet.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:25 | 2498199 F. Bastiat
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Keep up the great work!

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 05:29 | 2498327 Rusticus
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Given your view of what constitutes "great work", one hopes that you have a working pussy, indeed your very survival will depend on it.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:28 | 2499174 Colonial Intent
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Its 22 buttfuckers and 27 commies at the mo, good to see the homos taking it up the r's

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:19 | 2498182 F. Bastiat
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No doubt.  Time to move in for the kill, figuratively speaking, and crush the utopian/authoritarian/racialist left.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:20 | 2498187 tarsubil
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Oh hey, look everyone, step out of the Pool of the Innocent and towel off that blood. Scott Walker, a politician, won an election! Well, woop dee fucking doo!

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:39 | 2498223 headless blogger
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As bad as public school's are and with most Americans not able to read beyond the 6th grade level, imagine what life will be like when they finally shut free education down. It will be worse or better.....depending on your own position in the pecking order.

A modern day feudal system seems to be the goal. A few educated ruling over the many uneducated.


Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:49 | 2498342 prole
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First of all Comrade Trotsky, what is "free education?" Seems I've been paying for that period of incarceration for decades.  Just how much do I have to pay for something before Commies consider it "free?"

Second Comrade, for every despotic .gov agency that could be shut down, it would be like one chain being removed from our necks. We would be that much freer, more free.

Please remove the rest of these chains from my neck Commissar

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 09:50 | 2499024 Chaos_Theory
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Two things.

First, this is a classic false choice analogy...the crappy U.S. prison...err, Public Education system and its enormous cost, or serfs tending the fields.  You act as if there are no proven alternatives like charter schools, homeschooling or various levels of private schools which charge in many cases less than the comparable public school costs.

Second, any defense of the U.S. federal Public "Education" department and all its trappings is the equivalent of buying a lemon Chrysler for the same price as a top-of-the line Mercedes sedan, made even more insulting by the fact you could in fact buy a far better performing Mercedes, BMW or even a modest Honda Accord, Toyota or Ford for less to far less money.  But if you do that, the Chrysler union will force their political allies to limit your ability to opt out of the overprices Chrysler and instead buy a better performing and cheaper alternative, or violently rage against you and threaten death (e.g. Wisconsin) to political opposition.  The ultimate FU to this analogy is the damn homeschoolers....they're basically building their own kit car and kicking EVERYONEs' asses in terms of cost and performance metrics.

Yes yes, there are many many more variables at play.  Probably the most important are the quality of the base materials that educators of any option has to deal with.  If we emptied the D.C. school districts and magically bused them to Singapore schools, Singapore would drop off the map for educational excellance. 

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 02:15 | 2501521 headless blogger
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You didn't address how people will pay to educate their kids with incomes of minimum wage. Contrary to common belief, not all Americans can afford much more than the basic necessities. Over 50 Million on food stamps...sure, lets get them all to pay for their own health care, kids education, retirements (or make 'em work til they drop).Most Home schooling requires the parents to have some kind of credentials to do so.

This is leading to a modern day feudal system. On top of this, Americans with good incomes and education have less and less morals and will likely cheer it all on.

Until people address the Military Welfare System, that houses, educates, feeds, entertains, retires, its Idiot-force (who did not pay a dime into the system...except they like to say they "served" the nation, which we know what that means), then I can't accept any cuts they trying to make to education, food, and social securit. I can't agree to letting vulnerable humans because a pack of Libertarians have linked up with the Global Elites.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:26 | 2499164 Colonial Intent
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Damn you are'nt nearly as funny as MDB, leave the trolling to the pro's gringo............

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:09 | 2498160 max2205
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We have a government....huhh

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:17 | 2498179 Ms. Erable
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In Soviet Amerika, government has you!

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:11 | 2498165 Piranhanoia
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Let's everyone NOT blame Eisenhower.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:54 | 2498253 post turtle saver
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Right, let's blame JFK instead for Executive Order 10988.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 01:48 | 2498479 Clashfan
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Really Turtle? I have some problems with that legislation, too, but how about the MIC and the elite cabal that had him killed? Do they feed from the public trough? Standing up for workers' rights is somehow bad? But that tax money that goes for clowns who make bombs to kill and maim humans all over the world is not the problem?

I'll take teachers over the MIC any day, sorry. Vietnam was as horrific as it gets, man.

JFK was also the fellow who printed US Treasury notes instead of FRN notes, remember. He was also the one who wanted to remove oil depletion tax breaks. He was also the one who stood up to Izrahole, also the one who wanted to end the Cold War, etc.

Unions have become very corrupt (no doubt), but they arose for good reason.

What's the lesson here? That folks who work for the government have no right to unionize?

Let me tell you, the myth of overpaid teachers is crap. Some overpaid ones? Especially administrators? Sure. But take a look at the government unions that Walker didn't touch, like the cops. Their retirement bennies are pretty danged sweet.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 09:58 | 2499042 post turtle saver
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You aren't reading FDR's letter. Of course public workers should be able to organize. What killed the goose that laid the golden egg was allowing them to have COLLECTIVE BARGAINING RIGHTS. And I quote...


"All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters."


People need to read that whole letter, btw. Here it is...


No more collective bargaining with public unions. Period. It's breaking the backs of municipalities and states by forcing promises to be made that can never be kept. JFK made a horrible mistake when he issued that order and it all needs to be rolled back. It's time for a national right-to-work law and the end of Davis-Bacon while we're at it.


I'm also tired of boomers whining about Vietnam, like their "suffering" is justification for anything given what little suffering was invested. Precious snowflakes, it wasn't as bad as it gets. WW2 is as bad as it gets and then some, hell Korea was worse than Vietnam. Pretty soon Iraq/Afghanistan will be considered worse than Vietnam. Get over it. While we're at it, quit saying everyone is out to get teachers. We aren't after the line troops, we're after the fucking army of ADMINISTRATORS in all these damned school systems which make way more in money and benefits than they ever should be allowed to. Let's get those assholes out of the way and give that money to the teachers where it belongs. If we do that maybe we can finally get close to having the yoke of property taxes taken off our backs once and for all. Nothing those clowns do is "for the children", it's for their back pocket.


I can't believe people gave you a +1. Your whole argument is off the mark.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 22:48 | 2500216 Clashfan
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Turtle, thanks for the clarification and info. I appreciate it.

I'm not sure how my "whole argument is off the mark" or that you are really understanding me, but I do appreciate the time and interaction. I know some people who are upset about Davis Bacon and have looked into it.

I thought more bombs were dropped in Vietnam than in WWII? I said "as" bad as it gets, too--not necessarily worse than the others.

Finally, I'm not a boomer. I'm Clashfan. That's GenX, dude. :)

I identify more with The Replacements than a boomer would, "Bastards of the Young." That's me.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:12 | 2498167 El Oregonian
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I feel like Jeffrey Dahmer's Dad when he found out that his son was a psychotic mass murderer. "My god, what the hell have I created?!?"


Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:46 | 2498233 bugs_
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don't look in the refrigerator

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:13 | 2498168 skank
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Wed, 06/06/2012 - 01:34 | 2498465 Bansters-in-my-...
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No spellcheck...?

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:14 | 2498171 jeff montanye
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apropos of government claiming to protect the citizenry while in fact thrusting them into greater danger: obama's drone program, odiously evil on its own, is also highly impractical as a way of winning hearts and minds and reducing "terrorism" against the u.s.  it has become increasingly clear that the answer to donald rumsfeld's question, are we killing more than we're making is no, we are not.

there are a billion muslims with significantly higher birth rates than native born u.s. citizens.  that combined with moore's law, the internet and the second law of thermodynamics do not suggest an attractive trajectory.  or, keep this shit up and someone will get a suitcase nuclear weapon off inside our borders.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:13 | 2498286 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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If we never responded to acts of Jiahd they would just go away. If the racist, sexist, hate filled Jihaddys got ahold of NBC's, Nuclear, Biological, Chemical weapons, they will use them. When g-d gives you permission to kill people that is what you do. Allah is a pimp.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:43 | 2498335 Clashfan
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Fxrx and Jeff are missing the Al-CIA-duh part of all of this.

My grandfather's Shriner certificate is Arabic in nature and refers to "the prophet."

Masons claim to bring "order out of chaos." What they do not say publicly is that they create the chaos so that they can impose their order which is the goal all along.

It simply is occultist duplicity. It is how the elite have always ruled.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:53 | 2498349 prole
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Look Bibi, the only act of Jihad I have ever seen was when Imam Clinton declared a Fatwa and killed the Christians of Serbia, with his Jihadi Army, also known as "The United States Military, and their HATO brothers in Islam"

So if you want to "respond" to your own false flag events fine, knock yourself out, but could you also leave my country out of YOUR QUARRELS as well? TIA Shalom

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:16 | 2498175 wisefool
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Can you explain this for a guy with Timmah level intelligence? The "tanks in the streets" metaphor  is not the type of UChicago fellowship or tax code I am looking for.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:19 | 2498180 skepticCarl
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Obama's speech at the Democratic Convention should be delivered in a Pat Paulsen monotone....

"They say that I prolonged the M.E. wars, and added a few of my own.  They say that I kept Gitmo open and began spying, and executing American citizens I saw fit.  They say that I presided over the worst economy, and largest deficits, in U.S. history.


and I say, 'picky, picky picky' "

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:13 | 2498383 GoingLoonie
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Beautiful!  You are 100% correct.  It hurts.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:20 | 2498181 benb
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The Federal Government is overthrown. Nothing is what they say. It's all doubletalk propaganda. When you see garbage rag fronts for the ruling oligarchy like Time Magazine bad mouthing the Constitution and nobody is protesting in front of their HQ or even condemning this treasonous behavior then we are really quite far down the Rat Hole. The puppet/traiter politicians are unendingly given the microphone to parrot the tripe. Like Little Bush said - "You have to repeat the propaganda over and over for it to sink in." I especially detest the phoney, lying, Clintons. They have a unique stench about them...

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:49 | 2498242 Poor Grogman
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Nobody is protesting because nobody believes or reads the propaganda crap anymore.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:06 | 2498271 benb
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I’d say that’s part of it so in a way your observation is depressingly optimistic. But let’s not forget the legions of television watching, fluoride drinking, processed food eating, vegetablized, citizens (and I use the term loosely) that will go along with about anything wrapped in the flag.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:21 | 2498302 fattail
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Off topic, but how can you be "processed food eating" and "vegetablized" does one lead to the other in a cognitive sense?  I would have thought they were mutually exclusive.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:00 | 2498355 benb
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The processed foods have been weaponized with aspartame, heavy metals such as mercury and other neurotoxins along with countless harmful chemical compounds- all by design. The term ‘’Vegetablized’ was used in a figurative context. In America Mr. Smith is still seen as Mr. Smith but in reality he has become Mr. Potato Head. (I hope that clarifies my position.)

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:36 | 2498316 blindman
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the nose knows.
“Remember me?” Clinton said from the podium. “I’m the only guy that gave you four surplus budgets out of the eight I sent.”

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:39 | 2498324 Clashfan
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I saw that one, too, Blindman.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 04:30 | 2498586 Disenchanted
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four yearly budgets with surpluses accomplished by magic pencils did not mean that the national debt was decreasing during that time span.


jus sayin...

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:19 | 2498183 pissing_excellence
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What was it I saw on his desk, ah yes, "Dont steal the government hates competition". 

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:51 | 2498188 dick cheneys ghost
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And now we Pivot to the South China Sea to "counter" China's rise.....gimmie a fuckin break........Its all about the fuckin DOLLAR........always has been always will be........


I hereby rename the country ''The United States of Wall St and the Military Industrial Complex"

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:51 | 2498246 DoChenRollingBearing
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How about the USSA?

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:50 | 2498192 blindman
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@" do as i say, not as i do."
the essence of religion and not to be
confused with spirit-u-ality.
certainly entirely divorced from liberty,
freedom and responsibility.
the credo of fascism.
do as i say ...
not please think and consider this, let us discuss ...
but do this, or else.., and we have remote strike
capability !
"god damn well i declare
have you seen the light?
their walls are built of cannon balls,
there motto is don't tread on me" ..
Grateful Dead - Uncle John's Band (Studio Version)

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:38 | 2498320 Clashfan
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A band fostered under government psy-ops programs, no doubt. Ever read McGowan's Inside the LC?

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:41 | 2498328 blindman
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never read it but i heard they had all their
money stolen by one of the band member's

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:17 | 2498389 blindman
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Aaron Franz and David Mcgowan Military Industrial Entertainment In Laurel Canyon

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:59 | 2498431 Clashfan
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Thanks for that intriguing link, Blindman. :) much appreciated I will watch it soon (it's an hour long). I will.

I have read McGowan on SRA, and he's very accurate on the subject.

His moon stuff, well, I dunno. He admits it's not his specialty. I have no idea why he puts it first on his site. That's an error imo.

But his stuff on the LC is a fantastic, gripping read, well-researched, with a bit of speculation (but very reasonable speculation) and a ton of evidence or at least widely circulated Hollyweird rumor.

The research on the parents of these musicians is especially telling.

Try this link:

Then see the book, in many parts, Inside the LC. Read the first part. It will take ten minutes, maybe fifteen. Then decide if you want to continue, over time, to read the whole thing. I think I read it all in a few nights because I just couldn't stop myself. Actually, I now see that there's a Part XX that I have not yet read. Cool. Something else for me to soon do.

I should add that I used to be a GD fan and saw several shows, one in Euguene, Oregon. I saw something there that was so unusual that I can neither explain nor forget it. Do you know the song "The Music Never Stopped?" It was a hot day, still (very), Aug 22? When they got to the part about the breeze, a wind literally descended from above and whipped around the stadium, then lifted. The whole crowd felt it and went insane immediately, screaming, etc. When they sang "Here it comes again," it happened again! It was very odd indeed.

I have stopped listening to them since I read that surviving members played The Grove. Now that's something The Clash never would have done.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:53 | 2498516 Flocking swans
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I was at that show. Jack straw into Bertha! Nice 1st set open... and Help>slip>Franklin started a smokin 2nd set...

RE: ur breeze...My buddy must of squirted you w/ his "water" bottle.... glad you enjoyed it!

RE: the 'LC' theory (Jim Morrison went to the same kindergarten as Frank Zappa's wife!) ... Um yea...You nailed down some hard-core proof there!?!  of what I dunno.....

Also, bob pretty-pants weir may have done the grove, but not Phil!

RE:The music never stopped: "No ones's noticed, but the band's all pack and gone. Was it ever there at all?"

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:29 | 2498540 Clashfan
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Flocking, it was more than a breeze. It was a very strong wind that descended from above, whipped around the crowd, and lifted back up. I was up on the north side of the stadium. So I could feel it descend and then ascend. Clearly the whole crowd recognized it.

It was hot and still until that point and after. It was very strange.

Now I don't think your buddy got me with his water bottle, but I did see security crew members with big fire hoses watering down the crowd. Do you remember that? And I also remember the new keyboardist singing Robbie Robertson's song, "Broken Arrow."

I like that they played "Althea," too. I've always thought Go to Heaven was their best studio lp.

As for your critique of the McGowan piece, it's whimsical and brief, not really acknowledging the bulk of the evidence it offers. You are cherry picking one admittedly meaningless factoid from the bulk of what's written, sadly. How about Morrison's father being an admiral in charge of boats in the Gulf of Tonkin? I could go on.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 04:33 | 2498588 Flocking swans
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My friend....  Clearly U got dosed! ..."I could feel it descend and then ascend." ...Again. Glad you enjoyed it!

"very strange".... yea. you were there.

'Broken Arrow' was sung by Phil! my friend!

Yes, Althea always rocked, Jerry loved that song... But, um.... studio lp not the Dead's thang, and 'Go to Heaven' was in NO way better than American Beauty/Terrapin... or any other of their albums.

Ur right!?!...  'Morrison's father being an admiral in charge of boats in the Gulf of Tonkin' is the reasom I listened to Jim and The Doors, The GDead too, he may have made me listen to Pink Floyd also.... (by the way which one's pink!?"

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 05:38 | 2498603 Clashfan
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No, I was not dosed. And I could have sworn that Vince sang "Broken Arrow." Now that I look online, you may be right. I'll stick with my memory though until I can hear a shoe. I have found several, but none of them will play. I do see a lot of clips and references to Phil singing it, I'll admit.

I did not know that Vince came from the Tubes. Interesting.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:28 | 2498203 Dr. Engali
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Sometimes I feel we would be better off with a giant fucking EMP attack and neuter the police state, but then I think shit the Zero Hedge withdrawals would suck. So I don't know what the answer is.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:31 | 2498211 AnarchyInc
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I'd take no zh if I could hunt the pigs

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:34 | 2498215 Dr. Engali
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It would put a heavily armed populace on a more even playing field if the drones , tanks , and planes are out of the picture.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:54 | 2498251 wisefool
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snarc: Krugman would like to know what he should say on ABC next week.

non-snarc. Krugman is getting really old before our eyes. glasses. gray hair and hiding under donna brazil'z skirt.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 08:29 | 2498824 toomanyfakecons...
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Our "smart" weapons can't even put a serious dent in the Taliban, who we've finally surrendered to and will be officially back in power shortly. They would hardly scratch tens of millions of American gun owners.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:42 | 2498226 tarsubil
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What is the answer? This is Fight Club! Watch the ending. There is your mother fucking answer.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:08 | 2498237 Dr. Engali
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Well somebody better get on the stick and get project mayhem going.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:33 | 2498213 Cabreado
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We talk about "the Sociopaths" in a sort of angry yet cautious yet confused yet uncommitted way...

as if...

rational minds simply refuse to acknowledge...

that the antisocial mind exists and has finally taken control (that's the way it works),

and that in the goodness of rational minds,

in the desire to resolve real problems, there comes no answer.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:46 | 2498339 Freddie
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A lot of f***ks voted for the sociiopath in 2008.  More than a few post here.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:59 | 2498360 prole
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Are you talking about Obomba or that wackjob Insane or Mcain or whatever his itchy bomb button finger name was?

I can't keep track of these Sociopaths. I assume you intend to vote for sycophant sociopath Romnel?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 05:16 | 2498607 Disenchanted
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A lot of fucks voted for the sociopath in 1904, 1908, 1912......1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, and 2004 as well.


I see the trend continuing in 2012...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 06:04 | 2498639 Disenchanted
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Actually that should be the sociopath's puppets.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:40 | 2498224 FranSix
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NSA = Colossus!

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:44 | 2498231 lolmao500
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UM:  The president you mean?  He watches videos of the drone attacks?

WHI:  Yeah – like it was…like it was porn.  I can’t emphasize…I don’t think I’m painting a clear enough picture here for you of how this thing has people really freaking out inside the administration.  It’s good on one hand because it’s got more of them willing to talk…but…the fact it’s gotten this bad…these drones…an American president who has the video sent up to his personal study so he can watch them over and over again…like I said – sh-t ain’t right. 


Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:48 | 2498238 bugs_
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the schizophrenia of power

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:16 | 2498295 P.T.Bull
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He will be watching drone attacks on US soil in the not too distant future. 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:37 | 2498544 toomanyfakecons...
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The Republican governor of Virgina and all around ass-clown will be among the first to make that a reality...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:56 | 2498564 toomanyfakecons...
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THANK YOU SIR (May I have another?). That link does more to bolster my belief in the coming mass arrests and gutting of the federal government than anything I've read or heard since first listening to the "Drake Interview" a few weeks back. It's my belief more than ever that a handful of civilians, backed by the police, federal marshalls, and our military is about to conduct mass arrests and the largest, most stunning "perp walk" the world has ever seen or ever will see.

The "Drake Interview" cued up to start at the beginning of the second hour...

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:47 | 2498234 Crab Cake
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It is time for revolution.

I am not a fool for believing in the Constitution, Natural Law, and the right to representation. However I would be a fool to believe that these things hold any meaning to the terrorists who have purchased my country and cornered its political and economic systems. We must find the way to reclaim our country while it is still possible, and I refuse to believe its impossible.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:50 | 2498244 onlooker
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Canada can get more involved. That would help.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:22 | 2498304 otto skorzeny
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canada is too busy turning away american fishermen at the border that have a DUI in their past. at least the Stanley Cup will not reside in Canada AGAIN this year :)-take that HOSER

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:55 | 2498254 Clashfan
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Good, old, USA hypocrisy is just as disgusting now as it has always been. What's new? Nothing under the sun.


As every cell in Chile will tell...

Remember Allende? Victor Ara?

Bay of Pigs?


I could go on. Washington bullets...

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 22:56 | 2498257 cjbosk
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Care to comment on Walker whoopin' ass in WI tonight?

CNN still thinks it's a "close race" even though Walker takes WI by 20 points!


Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:15 | 2498292 P.T.Bull
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A sad day for the union thugs, and now the government media will spend the night deciding how to best spin it to the sheeple in terms that will encourage their fear, and help them seek the comfort of government and union protection.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:04 | 2498265 world_debt_slave
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let's see, Sen. Feinstein and other politicians, claimed that the outting of their crime would damage "America" that is the political criminals in DC. The criminals in DC are out of control and only the renewing of the liberty tree with the shed blood by patriots and tyrants will renew it. But, alas, I'm afraid we have become a shallow and wallowing class of shit, not worthy of tying the shoelaces of our ForeFathers.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:05 | 2498272 earleflorida
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Question:   "Shall I save the Constitution, but lose the Nation?"  [quote, Abraham Lincoln]

This is the paradox of a necessary war perpetuated by an ambiguous nuance teetering on a 'Morton's fork' -- thusly, conveniently wrapped in a conciliatory tone of remorse, skillfully  fabricated by an arcane, American... ancien`regime incarnate!

America has been at war for eleven years going on thirty? The framers our perhaps rolling in their grave as I write.

This is not a war of necessity, nor a war of legitimacy, period! The people behind '911' were all from "OIL", via Saudi Arabia. America was we'll aware of Osama [only in Afghanistan], but the GOP had tied Clinton's hands waging the 'fight of his life' against impeachment, leaving no one to mind the store[???] ?  Clinton gave Bush #43 plenty of heads up info on this band of Arabs known as al Qaeda --where to pin-point their hideouts, and to finish them off with no one being any the wiser, regarding the public. Unfortunately, Cheney would hear none of this! Why? Why did Cheney and the CIA ignore the obvious warning signs given to them on a silver platter by the FBI! Why?


great read, thankyou

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:14 | 2498289 blindman
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one thing, the al q was always the banker's boyz
data base. still iz the perfect recipient of either
lust, love or condemnation, bitchez. deception
is tool number one in the box, word

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:06 | 2499327 earleflorida
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Wed, 06/06/2012 - 01:05 | 2498314 Clashfan
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Earle, I might offer that the people "behind" 911 were the people who could have wired the buildings (three of them) with explosives. You might start by looking at Securacom. What people could have scheduled "war games" or "drills" to coincide with the event and hide collusion? What people could produce three different accounts from the folks responsible for our air space? What people could have controlled all of our media to cover up all of the truth or appointed the horrific Commission and then grossly underfunded it and forced it to finish early? Hmm...

London, Tel Aviv, and DC (and, hey, NY City, too) look more culpable to me than Saudi Arabia. Someone let all of those planes travel when everyone else was grounded, right?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 08:24 | 2498811 toomanyfakecons...
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I choose to believe Architects for 9/11 truth over Popular Mechanics.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:11 | 2500249 Clashfan
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That's a great site, TMFC, one of the best. Firemen for 911 Truth, Intellectuals for 911 Truth, others, too, are good. I like this one the best:

I also think that any book by David Ray Griffin is a good investment of time on the subject. He has become the Mark Lane of 911.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 11:46 | 2499499 earleflorida
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yes, i've researched and thoroughly have read in-between the lines and outside the probability realm regarding so many factors having to come together as one. Thus i've come to my own conclusions believing it was a coordinated effort of epic proportion regarding intellectual-logistic [???] expertise -- hence, compartmentalized as all esoteric and meticulously covert escapades [endeavors?] are carried out --to accomplish one mandate --one final goal --to bring down the United States financially?

Since 911, our country has more than double its nat'l debt?

Note: Bush #43 younger bother - marvin p. bush was the ceo of "Securacom" that provided all security for the WTC in 2001.

indeed, there are many trails that trace this gang of thieves into this canyon of western deception via profiteering?

thanks Clashfan 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:13 | 2500258 Clashfan
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Rock on Earle. This one's for you. One of the greatest drum riffs in rock. Keep spirits up. I'm not down.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:09 | 2498279 MikeMcGspot
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The man who does not know what it means to be under psychic hypnosis, is already under it - Vernon Howard

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:12 | 2498285 P.T.Bull
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Nice to hear from Von Mises Institute, Canada. It is sad beyond words to see the founding principles of this country are completely alien to the sheeple educated in compliance and socialist principles. Our state of permawar is truly bi-partisan, and the socialists who had some interest in the Bill of Rights in the 1960s, when it protected their uprising, find it no longer tactically useful now that they run the show.

 Well, we have unconstitutional permawar, and those who are so independent minded as to not defer our judgement to our corrupt class of politicians, when they decide to commit mass murder, truly form a fringe and minority class in America today.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:27 | 2498309 Clashfan
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True, Bull. The flagwavers care little about hypocrisy. They care about their jobs and incomes. They care about TV. Many do care and complain about government excess, though, but only when the opposing party from their own commit the excesses. They have fallen so far into what I call the occultist dialectic (the false L/R or D/R paradigm) that, to them, it's like a sporting event.

Dickey's poem "The Firebombing" comes to mind, how it describes technology removing the horrors of murder from the actual murderer. But again, he supported the Vietnam War.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:04 | 2498371 DollarMenu
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Bi-partisan indeed.

At the Washington State Republican Convention, the words

Liberty, Constitution, Freedom, were profane, foul-mouthings, worthy of boos.

The Romney-ites saw these words not as relevant to America, but

code words for Ron Paul.

Appeals for platform planks calling for non-local enforcement of NDAA were soundly trounced.

Not sayin' the D's are pure, just reporting what I saw and heard.

Disgusting display of head-in-ass.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:17 | 2498536 toomanyfakecons...
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I expect to be laughed out of the room for this... but I believe Ron Paul may be installed temporarily as President after the looming mass arrests gut the federal government to the bone. With Obama, Romney, Bush Sr./Jr., Brenanke, 7/8ths of Congress and Senate, and thousands more safely behind bars, who better to go about restoring the Constitution?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 07:31 | 2498720 jplotinus
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Greetings PTBull

The USA has next to 0 socialist elected officials and socialism, as such, is not a part of the US educational curriculum. Whatever small socialist tendency the US might have developed was eliminated by McCarthyism in the '50s.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:30 | 2498299 Clashfan
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This particular writer has a good piece here. I laud the piece, first off, so let's not be mistaken.

But he has turned Santa into a sentence fragment (Claus, not Clause), a discredit to the scholarly nature of the Mises Institute. Second, per the ideology of his group, he focuses on the state and its misdeeds rather than looking behind the curtain at the occultist, Luciferian forces directing the misdeeds.

Any type of government or ism can work or fail on its own, but most or all of them have always been controlled by Luciferians. Focusing on the occultists, then, rather than on isms or the power of "the state," is a better idea.

Miller mentions Bushes, for example, but not the Bohemian Grove or Skull and Bones. He clearly describes fascism that is occuring without using that term or the occult societies (like Thule) behind that heinous form of government (okay, he does give a Nazi example from Rothbard, but...). He mentions Clinton but does not note that she reportedly (by many reports) is an Illuminati Grand Damme.

Sorry to pick. Again, I laud the piece and agree with the basic intent of it. I just feel it needs a bit more clarification and focus that the Mises Institute, in its ideological constraints, rarely if ever offers.

And his colon is incorrect. One cannot have a colon without first having an independent clause. He needs a comma instead.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:11 | 2498529 toomanyfakecons...
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I believe the "Drake Interview" linked above mentions Luciferians and interdimensional vampires in the same sentence during th third hour. Just FYI...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:14 | 2499065 New World Chaos
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In "The Active Side of Infinity", the shaman Don Juan Matus described awareness-eating Lovecraftian shadow monsters called flyers.  They aren't looking for habitable planets.  They are looking for habitable minds.

We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives.

Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so. [...] You have arrived, by your effort alone, to what the shamans of ancient Mexico called the topic of topics. I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner! This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico.

"'Why has this predator taken over in the fashion that you're describing, don Juan?' I asked. 'There must be a logical explanation.'

"'There is an explanation,' don Juan replied, 'which is the simplest explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops. Therefore, their food is always available to them.'


"'I want to appeal to your analytical mind, ' don Juan said. 'Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradiction between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behavior. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal.'

"'But how can they do this, don Juan?' I asked, somehow angered further by what he was saying. 'Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?'

"'No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!' don Juan said, smiling. 'They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver - stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it.  They gave us their mind!  Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.


There are many similarities with the Archons described by the Gnostics on the other side of the world.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 22:55 | 2500274 Clashfan
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The Jones/Icke interview I posted earlier gets into some of this.

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:24 | 2498307 Arnold Ziffel
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I just hope the Eye-Ran "Blowback" does not distort my Big Screen TV circuits so I can still watch Americans Idle.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:09 | 2498527 toomanyfakecons...
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It's all a bunch of shock.... and awwwwwh!

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:42 | 2498329 disabledvet
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We are the cyber terrorists now and we're targeting our own people and industries i might add. The Stuxnet boondoggle needs attention and thanks to Senator McCain it just might get it. I'd be surprised if the Supreme Court actually took up the matter of course...since it would seem to lay claim to the theory that even the idea of the rule of law relative to commerce matters anymore let alone that there is such a thing in practice. We shall see. "The money's run out save for trade." If the cyber trade dries up that will be one heck of Golden Goose that we wound up killing. The word "trillions" comes to mind. Who would ever consider checking unbridled greed of course...

Tue, 06/05/2012 - 23:59 | 2498361 rosiescenario
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This is but one special interest group. There are many, but all have one thing in common: their interest is not the public's otherwise they would not need to exist since elected officials, in following what is best for the country, would be then fulfilling that interest's need.

Therefore, it is safe to say that every special interest group tries to manipulateour government so that the public's interest is not served, but given the lowest priority.

A good starting point to correct the worst of these abuses of the general public by special interest groups would be to make unlawful any lobbying by any foreign country. Since no one in our government would ever consider proposing such a rule (other than Ron Paul and Simpson) it would take a grass roots effort to make it a constitutional amendment.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:31 | 2498399 boiltherich
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You really want to be sickened by the lies surrounding our military...

Do you really believe that it costs $235 million per fighter jet for the F 35B? Or, 2 billion per B2?

Well those absolutely pale in comparison to the new destroyer they are designing for the navy:

New stealth destroyer really sucks - China mocks America's $7 billion Navy acquisition


Yes, SEVEN BILLION for a destroyer.


The US Navy is readying a $7 billion boat that can launch attacks faster than the speed of sound and is practically invisible to detection. Even with that hefty cost, however, China says it will only take a few fishing boats to blow up the DDG-1000.


Confiscate all the wealth of two guys each who just made their first million bucks, do this in every one of the more than 3,000 counties in the USA, and you still could not pay for this one boat. It had damned well better be unsinkable and able to win a war on it's own for that much money, as well as have a lifespan of a century and do my dry cleaning.

I do not even care that much about who out there is getting toasted by drones, sad when INNOCENT people are killed because they were in the way, but I have little sympathy for nearly all Iraqis that got it in that war, they supported a madman and even after combat operations are long over they are still blowing each other up in the name of their bullshit religious factions. Ditto Afghanistan, the Taliban should have been liquidated when they blew up the statues of Buddha. America has the power and the authority to do FAR worse than it has, the Russians never went out of their way to avoid collateral damage, in fact they reveled in it and used it as a warning to those still fighting, "we will kill your whole village if you keep shooting at us." When rogue states challenge major powers they are taught a harsh lesson.

If Israel had anything to do with 9/11 then I agree with all of you above that say they should be wiped from the map, I doubt we have been told the truth, if it should come out that Israel wes involved I would be among the first to call for it's destruction. But the fact that Israel may or may not be complicit has nothing to do with the fact that there are a lot of other bad guys out there.

I just think that we can defend our nation and our vital interests honestly and with about 1/10th the cash we now spend.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 01:09 | 2498444 Clashfan
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why complain about MIC money when you can do like others on this site and blame it all on teachers and public sector unions? You mean the bomb makers steal tax money, too? No way. /sarc off

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 10:04 | 2499077 Chaos_Theory
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DoD "public servant" civilians (unionized) outnumber the active duty force of the AF and Navy combined.  A good chunk reside in the acquisitions-side, and ensure the development costs are stretched as long as possible to ensure job security.  Add the contractors, and there are more civilians than soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines in the DoD.


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 01:13 | 2498448 Clashfan
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Also, Boil, Mossad was clearly involved. Just web search 911 Mossad, white van, dancing Israelis, Urban Moving Company, etc.

Still, Mossad is not all of Izrahole. Plenty of folks there protest in many forms against Izrahole's policies.

More importantly, Mossad could not have done 911 alone. No way. Impossible.

It's an inside job w/help from the Mossad (and maybe elements of British intel). Insiders in industry, government, military, and intel had to be involved--Americans.

It's the Luciferian elite, man. Always has been.

Meet the new boss....

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 02:56 | 2502506 boiltherich
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Clash, I will keep an open mind, nobody has yet provided me with proof of Israeli involvement in 9/11, though they have provided some anecdotal evidence of such, but evidence as powerful as it might be is still not proof. Since we are talking about an act of war so dastardly that it makes Pearl Harbor look like an Arbor Day parade I have an obligation to demand commiserate proof. I know we were not told the truth, but not being told the truth means you were not told the truth, it does not automatically mean Israel did it.

I scoff at lucifer, god, religion, all crap, all tools of the 1%. The saddest part is the vast majority that do believe, they are the real foot soldiers of the oppressors, the 1%. OH, and that ruling elite? They are not Jews, they are the rich. Russian oligarchs, American billionaires, British aristocracy, some Japanese industrialists, the Swiss, I mean if you want to go after rich cabalistic manipulators why not go after the Swiss, they have more money and power than the Jews could dream of?

You want wealth and power and freedom? Baby you are going to have to take it, otherwise get a hobby, I understand roses grow well there, be sure to give them plenty of bone meal.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:32 | 2503593 Clashfan
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Thanks, boil.

I'm not sure how Christianity (non-denom, basic belief in the NT) serves the system. Over three centuries of martyrdom at the hands of the Roman Empire couldn't prevent its growth. The NT is one of the best preserved documents in literature as far as I can tell. You might look at that one again.

But as far as my points about the elite are concerned, one need not believe in anything at all to see that their subculture is and has always been Luciferian by definition. If you really are against the oligarchy, you should research them. You will find this out.

One need not believe in God to believe that others believe in God. The same is true for Lucifer. Research the secret societies that bind the elite, and you will definitely find a belief system, rituals, and a culture at work.

As far as the Swiss having more power than Jews, whatever. Where is the international headquarters of Freemasonry located? Why are the Swiss granted immunity from wars? And what religious rituals dominate their culture?

Finally, The Clash were largely Jewish (at least by birth). I am not one of the Jew-hating trolls on here. I try to make that clear. I follow where the facts lead. If you are interested in 911 and Mossad involvement (which is different from Israeli involvement, at least slightly), then you should research it further. See whom the FBI arrested and how long they were held. Learn about Urban Moving Company. Then ask yourself what kind of "proof" you expect to be able to find, how much you need in order to decide that there is a strong (strong) likelihood of Mossad invovlement.

My point has always been that Mossad could not have done this alone. Involved? Little doubt to me. Acting alone? No way. This was an inside job with their help.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:56 | 2498518 Satan
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"Stealth Ship" is an oxymoron. What it is, is a slow moving highly visible target. The ocean is a pretty crowded place these days.

All it will take to beat the stealth capability is a fisherman with an HF radio.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 06:49 | 2498664 my puppy for prez
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Read Victor Thorn's "9-11 Evil" and watch "9/11 Missing Links", and you will see that Israel CLEARLY had a major part in it.

After all, one must ask, cui bono?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 08:03 | 2498776 Cui Bono
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Ask me what?   sorry,  I had to......

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:49 | 2498426 q99x2
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Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:58 | 2498429 tony bonn
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james miller is another hero in the fight against the nazi bush crime syndicate and rockefeller axis of evil....america, in the hands of these men and their sycophantic hangers on, is a barbaric murderous regime in desperate need of change.....

obama is an indonesian citizen who owes his allegiance as citizen of the world to the rockefeller cabal of international i stated before, obama is bush's twin brother....pas de difference....

the cia is world's number 1 terrorist organization without peer....9/11 was a cia project using cia assets in al-qaeda - the cia's rolodex of mercenaries who spread murder and misery wherever they slither....

keep speaking the not vote for romney or obama in the next election (as though it matters)

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:03 | 2498524 toomanyfakecons...
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Regarding the upcoming "s-election", I don't think it's going to happen. Instead, I'm banking on the mass arrests of thousands of treasonous scumbags from Obama and Brenanke on down, and the virtual dissolution of the federal government as detailed in the "Drake Interview". It's time to separate the oath fakers from the oath keepers.

The middle hour of the Drake Interview... all cued up and ready to go:

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 06:43 | 2498660 my puppy for prez
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I would say that the MOSSAD can compete with the CIA...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 00:58 | 2498430 PLove
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As Patton told Ike,

"We lost WWII."

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 01:45 | 2498476 MrPalladium
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We did lose WWII, and history - if there are any literate people left after the collapse - will record it as the death knell for western civilization.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:58 | 2498519 toomanyfakecons...
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I'd argue that we lost WWI. JPM brokering the steel and submarine hulls to the Brits, the Lusitania floating ammo dump scam later proved to have 4 million cartridges the cargo holds, France and Britain beaten on the battlefield fair and square by Germany were it not for our late and cowardly entry into the war, Espionage Act, Bonus March, you name it.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:10 | 2498528 Clashfan
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Not to mention that we won the battles (USA alone) but lost the ability, somehow, to forge the peace. Or so the story goes, right? I mean, without the USA entering WWII, Germany loses anyway. Without the USA entering WWI, Germany wins. We won WWI for Europe but were not the main dictators of the "peace" treaty at Versailles. How did that happen?

Thank the dude that brought us the Fed.

Shit doesn't really change.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:24 | 2498539 toomanyfakecons...
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Not only did we win the battles, we initially financed it, only to see our gold later stolen, primarily by the Brits.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 01:28 | 2498461 world_debt_slave
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remember the rah, rah days of the 80's, fuck you born after that time!

Max Heedroom


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:15 | 2498494 Flying Tiger Comics
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When correctly criticising CIA and the breakaway civilisation is serves, don't forget about those who get so little press but do so much of the killing and its orchestration: NSA, DIA, DISC, FBI, T-Men, BATF and the rest.

Like all fascist states there are truckloads of secret police all in their separate feudal empires.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 02:48 | 2498514 toomanyfakecons...
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Never in the history of facist police states would the "truckloads of secret police" be facing what they are facing in America... millions upon millions of motivated gun owners. Just look at the pounding and unsustainable losses the BATF took in the movie "Red State".

Just sayin'...

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 03:06 | 2502518 boiltherich
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Red State?  You think that was a documentary?  It was made to lampoon the insanity and ignorance of of the militant fundamentalist survivalist christians, as well as the bumbling bureaucratic government response to those loser nutbags.  By the way, in the end ALL of the bullshit psycho christians were dead and the government went on as if nothing happened. 

I could not be more pleased about the mass murdering assholes who think god is real getting what they have So richly earned as a reward for their hatreds and stupidity.  I wish all religious people of all faiths would go meet their gods as soon as possible.

Thu, 06/07/2012 - 10:36 | 2503621 Clashfan
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Then why not become a communist so that you can support the outright slaughter of peoples of faith?

Why would you deny my right to my faith, boil? Many Christians (and people of other faiths, too) are unjustly portrayed in media and history. I know plenty of Christians who don't support any of this shit that's going on, and I know plenty of atheists who do. That's simply the truth. Some of my atheist friends are the biggest and most hypocritical I'llbombya supporters on the planet, and others still support the Bushmonkey.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:08 | 2498526 Clashfan
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And then there's this:

I thank God for Alex Jones. Seriously.

This shit gets worse daily. It's disgusting. Is there a way to bet on it getting worse and worse? I could get rich. I mean, besides buying physical? Long on vomit bags?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 14:19 | 2500286 tamboo
Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:13 | 2498531 AnAnonymous
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The useful collective term “we” has enabled an ideological camouflage to be thrown over the reality of political life. If “we are the government...


US citizen Rothbar at what US citizen intellectuals do the best: offuscation.

US citizens are not only the government. They are Humanity. Nothing less.

There is no discontinuity between US citizen elite and its base.

Just like the base, the US citizen elite exhibits the same characteristics in hijacking humanity.

And once again, US citizen politicians are simply US citizens who happen to be politicians.

And express their US citizen nature at their level.

That expression can be found anytime anywhere at any level among a US citizen population.

Simple warfare strategy: dividing the front.

Commonly used by US citizens: private/public, governed, governing.

The reality is that there is no discontinuity between private US citizen behaviour and public US citizen behaviour, no discontinuity between US citizen governed and US citizen governing in their behaviour.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:40 | 2498548 Clashfan
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Reality is roadside shitting Chinese citizenism.

How many reports like this have I read in the last five years?

Chinese citizen not need gun to kill chirdlen:

Now go eat tasty cat.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 04:09 | 2498575 AnAnonymous
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Murders happen in China. That is a discovery.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:14 | 2498534 AnAnonymous
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Denonciation of war or how to advance US citizen agenda through human sufferings.

All in one lesson from US citizen mises institute.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:48 | 2498556 Clashfan
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China citizenism no like God:,2933,45746,00.html

And China tell Tibet how not pray:

China need buy toilet paper and toilet, too, before it try tell American citizen what right.

China suck hard. China not cool. China make America look like good guys.


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:56 | 2498562 Clashfan
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The vogue of roadside shitting Chinese citizenism:

From the piece:

China: Weird

China was a bit weird, and the Chinese like to stare.

A lot.

They don’t seem to recognise that it’s rude and will unflinchingly stare at you in restaurants, bus stations, even when your taking a shit.

The reason I notice them staring when I’m pooing (which is quite often) is because there are no doors, or indeed walls, or anything resembling a cubicle whatsoever in many Chinese toilets. Roadside toilets in particular consist of a trough in the ground by the road with a series of planks across them to put your feet on. Nothing else.

On two occasions now a passing Chinese person has decided that the I represent a great opportunity to practise his English despite the fact I’m squatting down with my nads hanging out trying to squeeze one off;

“I’m shitting”
“How are you?”
“You can see I’m taking a shit right?”
“Where you from?”
“Look, just fuck off!”

{post script}

Talking of shitting (i can’t help myself), today i fell foul to what commentators of that uniquely Asian sport Extreme Eating call “The Follow Through”. That’s what you get for eating donkey meat noodles for breakfast followed by a Yak burger for lunch I guess.

Should’ve known better than to tackle three steps at once on the way to the Poltala Palace.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 04:04 | 2498572 AnAnonymous
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That chinese citizenism, what a gift.

Exhibits US citizen nature.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 09:00 | 2498907 TheFourthStooge-ing
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AnAnonymous said:

That chinese citizenism, what a gift.

Exhibits US citizen nature.

Admit it, Frenchie, you love US citizenism.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:09 | 2500521 AnAnonymous
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Nope. But the determinism coming with US citizenism impresses for sure.

Trend setter? I am looking forward the new fantasy. To see if it will take root as the previous one. Setting trend. Collectivistic mind and all.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:37 | 2498543 ebworthen
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Hard to win "hearts and minds" by drone bombing civilians and funerals.

A cowardly form of warfare, and an admission of moral defeat.

What the hell are we doing in Pakistan and Afghanistan again?

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 03:41 | 2498549 Clashfan
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Testing weapons and hardening soldiers so that they can be used on us.

Luciferian elite need war to survive.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 05:30 | 2498619 westerman
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There is nothing that I despise more than the Americans, there is nothing more evil than an American and I can't wait to see your cities in the same state as the countless cities that you have destroyed. Nothing would make me happier than seeing pictures of an American town that looks like Dresden, Hiroshima or Tripoli. 

Rome buiilied the world aswell. It took a while but eventually Rome was pillaged and destroyed. The world hates America and there day will come. 

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 06:28 | 2498650 Disenchanted
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Speaking as a 'Disenchanted'** American I understand and am empathetic to where you are coming from.


Who will be America's Visigoths?


It didn't have to be this way...




dis·en·chant  (dsn-chnt)

tr.v. dis·en·chant·ed, dis·en·chant·ing, dis·en·chants
To free from illusion or false belief; undeceive.




Wed, 06/06/2012 - 06:47 | 2498662 AnAnonymous
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Nothing would make me happier than seeing pictures of an American town that looks like Dresden, Hiroshima or Tripoli.


Very unlikely to happen.

As resources go depleted, it increases value of anything that was built before, especially during the age of abundance.

See Macau for an example of this US citizen economics consequences.

Macau is a very polite city, with low dangers. Ran by gangs. The gangs are concentrating their wealth into Macau, which has grown more and more expensive in the doing.

As a result, gangs wage their wars on the periphery, dozens of miles from Macau. Because Macau would be too costy to destroy and rebuild.

Same is happening on the global scale thanks to US citizen economics.

The US is going to be the habitat for very large owners, Europe the habitat for top executives, the castle court type, the rest of the world well...

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 09:16 | 2498936 Pampalona
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Wed, 06/06/2012 - 09:59 | 2499045 TheFourthStooge-ing
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westerman said:

Nothing would make me happier than seeing pictures of an American town that looks like Dresden, Hiroshima or Tripoli.

Well here you go then, Sparky:

Here's another for ya:,-75.106644&spn=0.1,0.1&t=h&q=39...

By the way, you do understand that there is a difference between Americans and the US federal government, right? There's a significant number of Americans disgusted by the actions of the US government.

I have no quarrels with people I've never met, no matter what country they're from. The government which currently occupies my country is indeed wicked.

Please feel free to hate the US government and those who cheerfully support its murderous policies.

Bear in mind, though, that if you choose to hate all people from any specific country, you are operating on the same level as those wicked ones which control the US.


Wed, 06/06/2012 - 15:14 | 2500534 AnAnonymous
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US citizens are high on wanton hatred. So...

I have no quarrels with people I've never met, no matter what country they're from. The government which currently occupies my country is indeed wicked.

Met on TV then. How many US citizens have met their government representatives over the last decade? Two decades? Three decades?

The government which currently occupies my country is indeed wicked.

Ummm, wicked how? Wicked as government representatives who claim freedom as a human right and own slaves? Claim private property and bought land and people on them?
Since when the US of A has been occupied? since 1776, July, 4th.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 06:13 | 2498641 Disenchanted
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"Under the auspices of keeping democracy safe around the world"


As long as the U.S. likes the results of 'democracy' ("He might be a sonofabitch, but he's our sonofabitch.")


If we no like, democracy not so much...See Mossadegh, Iran, 1953.

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 06:36 | 2498654 Disenchanted
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There's a perfect example of our mendacity playing out in current events:


What their racket consists of is carrying out the foreign policy agendas of the US and its European allies under the guise of “promoting democracy.” It is, in short, a program of organized subversion, similar to that carried out by the old Soviet Union in the days of the Comintern. Back then, the Soviets were upfront about their commitment to “proletarian internationalism,” actively promoting “revolutionary” movements funded and directed from Moscow. Our own internationalism, albeit far from proletarian, is similar in its intent and hypocritical cant. An entire wing of the national security bureaucracy is centered around the mythology of America as the great promoter of “democracy” and “transparency,” with both political parties operating their own separatearms of an international apparatus which is nothing less – or more – than an instrument of US foreign policy.


excerpt from Raimondo's  Blowback in Egypt June 6, 2012

Wed, 06/06/2012 - 06:18 | 2498642 thurstjo63
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When you said, "The document has been torn to shreds by politicians who preached short term necessity and privilege over constrained power" you missed one essential element. You need compliant judges ready to rationalize any act of government and say that it constitutional to do so. The judges are the enablers of the politicians.

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