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Guest Post: Backing Into World War III?
Submitted by Sean Stone
Backing into World War III?
According to the doctrine of pre-emptive war, Iran can be attacked based on its alleged desire to develop nuclear weapons, just as Iraq was attacked in 2003. In fact, Congress is currently debating whether a nuclear capability alone (which Brazil, Japan, and other countries enjoy) could justify the 'preventive' attack. I believe it is time to negate this doctrine by postulating that Iran in fact has a right, as a sovereign nation, to a nuclear capability.
Having traveled to Iran recently, I can attest to the Joint Chiefs' General Dempsey's reference to Iran as a 'rational' actor. The Iranians have no interest in destroying America, or Israel, at the expense of one of the oldest continuous civilizations in the world, dating back about 2600 years. Iran is currently surrounded by over 40 U.S. military installations, not counting Israel's still-unaccounted nuclear arsenal. To assert that Iran would jeopardize its culture for a one-shot nuclear attack is a complete miscalculation of the Iranian spirit; that spirit gave rise to a revolution in 1979 against what they perceived as Anglo-American imperialism in the form of the Shah, much as our own revolution opposed British imperialism.
I agree with General Dempsey that an attack on Iran would not only be imprudent, it would be 'destabilizing', and for more than just Iran. What is at stake is much larger than Iran's right to become a nuclear power; and based on the attitude of the political figures I spoke with in Iran, they understand this very well -- should Israel, with or without American support, attack Iran's nuclear or military infrastructure, it would be considered an act of war that may prompt World War III.
What I believe is currently being played out is an 'endgame' scenario, by failing West European and American economies, threatening to explode what has historically been referred to by British imperialists as the Heartland of Eurasia: stretching from the Horn of Africa (guarding the shipping lanes of the Gulf) to Afghanistan and Pakistan (in Russia and China's underbelly). The Russians know this 'Great Game' well, having played it with the British since at least the Crimean War of the mid-19th Century. So when Russia says it cannot accept the ongoing destruction of the Syrian government, or an attack on Iran, it is based on the understanding that such destabilization of this 'Heartland' could ignite war between Shia and Sunni Muslims across the region, even affecting the Muslim populations of southern Russia and western China.
Iran is currently accused by the West of being a rogue state involved in spreading amorphous terrorism abroad. In reality, Iran has seen the destruction of the sovereign states in Afghanistan and Iraq, on its borders; and now, the Obama Administration is calling for the downfall of Iran's ally, President Assad's secular Syrian regime. That country is quickly going the way of Lebanon in the 1980s, which could reignite sectarian violence from Lebanon to Iraq, and beyond. The chaos ensuing the overthrow of Assad will not only serve to radicalize the religious factions, as the Iraq war did after the fall of the secular Ba'ath Party, but such a strategy seems to have been predicted; retired General Wesley Clark reported in his 2003 book that the imperialist 'neo-con' faction within the U.S. Defense Department had plans for regime change in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Lebanon and Iran, dating back to before Sept. 11.
In such a meltdown of nation-states, Israel will not be safe from retaliation by Hezbollah and Hamas; unless of course, Prime Minister Netanyahu intends to use such violence to attempt an extension of Israel's borders toward the Euphrates, according to the right-wing 'Greater Israel' doctrine which desires an Israeli state from the Nile in Egypt to the Euphrates in Iraq. It would then seem the logic of this current escalation to war with Iran really has nothing to do with protecting Israel; the escalation will more likely sacrifice the Israeli people for the sake of a game of empire.
It is no wonder that Russian Prime Minister Putin has called the Anglo-American policy in the Middle East a 'cult of violence.' As Putin understands, if we do not respect national sovereignty, who are we left to cooperate with in order to stop the radical political groups we allege as our enemy? In point of little irony, most radical Al-Qaeda elements are derived from Saudi-style Wahhabism, which gave rise to the Taliban regime. Considering that Iranian Shi'ism is long-opposed to this brand of Sunni Islam, would it not make more sense for America to cooperate with Iran against Al-Qaeda and related extremist groups? In the process of such diplomatic engagement, is it not possible that we make peace with the Iranian regime through a commonality of purpose and an exchanging of ideas?
The Iranian people, like the American people, are reasonable, but proud; if they believe in a right to nuclear capabilities, it is because they feel they have the same national right as do the Israelis or Pakistanis, both of whom have already weaponized the region. And according to their Supreme Leader, Iran is not desirous of nuclear weapons, for he has said that even "the production, possession, use or threat of use of nuclear weapons are illegitimate, futile, harmful, dangerous and prohibited as a great sin." If we are thus serious about the Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed, I'd personally like to see a nuclear weapon-free zone across the Middle East, which would mean accounting for the Israeli arsenal. But if we continue on the current trajectory of giving 'unconditional support' to Israel and its illicit nuclear arsenal -- and if we continue to support the overthrow of nations who have not declared war on us -- are we not creating the conditions for Iran to eventually desire a nuclear weapon, to prevent the destruction of its national sovereignty?
If we can succeed in staving off an imperialistic war in the coming years, I foresee a future of cooperation between Iran, Israel, and America, based on a common republican spirit and tradition. But if Anglo-American imperialism chooses to continue to smash nations and disregard borders, that imperial spirit will only breed more terrorism, not less. If we create a world without sovereign states with authority of law to rule over their people, who will we have left to deal with? Countries do not always get along, but failed states never do. And should we risk war over the excuse of Iran's nuclear program, we will be looking at a region of radicalized groups of all denominations, with very little authority over them, and tremendous resentment at what they will perceive as foreign imperialists. Such a day would be much worse than seeing a nuclear Iran.
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What a bunch of generalized bullshit.
I love books, as does my wife, my daughter and my son. All the friends I have also love to read.
But obviously you are not human since you look down on the rest of us and make shit up to justify being so condescending. Oooooo, so you must be a Super human! lol
Let me try to educate you on something; no one gives a flying fuck what you think, jack-off.
You obviously do--I got that much out of you, sweetheart.
:kisses:
Anyway, here's a bit of info:
When I speak, I almost always speak from a macro perspective. Individuals do not interest me. If you're an exception to an observation, then do not worry about it. Why are you getting all worked up over shit?
Instead of lumping all people by using the word humans, instead use a word that denotes 'others' such as idiots. I mean I cannot possibly be an idiot... Right?
I'm speaking inclusively--at least for myself--at any rate.
I'm an idiot myself. I still go to work and pay my bills and I know it's all for naught. We're almost to the precipice before oblivion and I'm still going along with the flow.
Think things are dicey now?
Wait until they test detonate a warhead (less than 12 months) and shortly after that, announce the can drop it at will anywhere in the world on a whim (they can already launch satellites). Maybe then you will understand what Iranians mean by the English word "defense".
An Iranian is captive in a western prison? yep that's defense
Someone burns a Qur'an? or insults the prophet? maybe, but we'll just drop hints for effect.
A western power tries to intervene militarily anywhere in the middle east? yep
Israel bombs a Hamas base in Lebanon in retaliation for missile strikes? yep
Saudi's are oppressing a certain minority religious sect? yep.
Sorry... But that it laughable... OK, in a worst case scenario lets say that Iran develops nuclear weapons, and just so happens to be able to mount it on a missle. What is the big deal. I guarantee you that there are at least 2 Ohio class subs sitting on their coast right now with each having more than enough trident II ICBMs in their launch bays to destroy the entire region.
The threat of nuclear attack is always relative. In this case, the capabilities of the western powers far outclass anything Iran could ever dream of.
@inconvenient
I think the Iranians have no misconception that there would be a single building left standing if they nuked anyone let alone the USA.
you an idiot? yep
they can announce wtfever they want...only 2 nations presently have global ICBM capability.
Just where do you think they can get the ingredients for the recipe -- if they even place a request for anything that contains any semblance or iota of a item to bake this cake [nuclear bomb/ fission] the IAEA is all over it like stink on shit. Pakistan's AQ Khan's warehousing was put on ice before Iran even pondered its own nuclear program for peaceful purposes,... since then it's almost an impossible task -- remember, it takes thousands of centrifuges running in a perfect laboratory environmental facility just to get 20% grade used for Nuclear fuel, and medical use. This means you need a huge, gigantic hole in a mountain that will house football fields side-by-side. Iran ain't got that kind of equipment, period!
Remember this, back in the mid-80's Pakistan had already developed the nuclear bomb under the noses of the Reagan [the CIA & State Dept were fully aware of Pakistan's lies and deception, but were put on a short-choke-collar-leash by Reagan's PTB's?] administration for there help in winning back Afghanistan from Russia. This was done with Saudi and U.S. aid, which basically went to finance the nuclear facility at "Kuhuta, Pakistan"!
How did Reagan circumvent the NPT? simple - he used Senator 'Pressler's Amendment' which was basically a "Dodd-Frank' Legislation Textbook Scripted" ie. ~ a mile long and two miles deep of geek-speak bullshit, defining what a bomb was and its legality! It was pro-Pakistanian. The Indian's summed it up with six-word's, "Don't worry, Pressler will save you"!
AQ Khan went on to wholesale nuclear components to every Islam country that had the bucks, period! But,... Iran wasn't one of them,... this is important to realize!!!
As the authors says,... Israel's only pontification for war is but a land-grab. The Palestian's found out the hard way?
Ps. The U.S doesn't want Iranian "Blue-Gold" going to China, or India, period!
Ps2. The MIC needs a war,... it's the 10th anniversary without a bonifide money-making war to sell their newly developed weapons, and get a chance to try out the new "State-of-the-Arts" glass blowers!
Wonderful article, young Mr. Stone :-))
Of course the Iranians want nukes. Who wouldn't want nukes, with a bully like the U.S. running around the planet and invading countries at whim?
You notice we don't invade countries that have nuclear weapons, even if they are belligerent and tyrannical. Witness North Korea. Also, nuclear-armed countries tend to keep their hostilities with each other at a minimum. Witness the reduction in hostilities between India and Pakistan, longtime foes, since they acquired nukes.
If the Iranians want nuclear weapons, it is hard to blame anything but U.S. foreign policy for that. For the sake of world peace I hope they get them, and soon.
Think things are dicey now?
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Excellent post. Made me laugh to tears.
I suppose this is what you get when you run over and over the US citizen myth as weapons as the ultimate equalizer.
But sure, Iranians are just one nuke away from world domination.
Gotta stop them, even if it takes two nukes to get them understand the message.
Is the autism and/or mental retardation which you so abundantly display in your every gibberish-filled post a mandatory prerequisite for being a paid troll in the service of the People's Elimination, er, "Liberation", Army?
The Iranians have as much right as the US has to have any weapons the US has, in fact now that the US can murder it's own people without the justice system, the Iranians have probably got a better society than the US anyway.
The only reason the US goes to fight illegal wars is because they are a big bully and want more oil to fill their petrol guzzling vehicles
Frankly, I could care less what the spawn of some out-of-touch, elitist Hollywood hack has to say.
...who just converted to Islam 3 weeks ago.
bbbut...bbbut...he's Sean Stone and HE "postulated" that Iran has the right to civilian nuclear power!!!!111
In the book "Reasons to Kill: Why Americans Choose War" by Richard Rubenstein he states;
Americans are neither gullible dupes nor frontier warriors. But we have too often abandoned our usual hard-headed skepticism when asked to support U.S. military campaigns abroad in the name of patriotism. There is an antidote to this – the “I’m from Missouri, show me!” attitude exhibited by great patriots from John Quincy Adams and Abraham Lincoln to Mark Twain, Jeannette Rankin, David Dellinger and Dennis Kucinich. It’s not too late to regain our balance and end America’s unnecessary wars.
This article is rather slanted... I agree that Iran is not a US problem. It is an Israeli problem....
To say that Israel has no justification to attack Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, or Syria is disingenuious at best. This article is more than slanted in fact. Isreal deals with everyday the threat of Hezbolla as well as other groups that are openly funded by Iran as well as parties in Syria and Egypt. Hezbolla captures and holds ransom Israeli solidiers in addition to attacking them and killing them. If Mexico and/or Canada ever attempted any of these tactics at any point in US history it would instantly been seen as an act of war by the US, and rightfully so. In fact, the War of 1812 was caused by British influencing support with the local indians at the time as well as harrassment of merchant shipping. Israel deals with this routinely....
In short, let Israel do what ever it feels it needs to do, and the role of the US should be to help stabilize the situation if required. The US's interest, however, should only be stabilization of the region to insure stable and open energy trade. No nation, including Iran or Syria, would independently attempt to take on any US installations, because they realize it would be suicide. Hence, why none of those 40 US bases in the region have been attacked. If Iran wants peace, it had better stay that way.
To say that Israel has no justification to attack Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, or Syria is disingenuious at best-
funny but the former head of the Israeli MOSSAD disagrees with you, he has stated, as recently as this morning that a attack on Iran would be "stupid" and has also stated that "Iran, even a nuclear armed one, poses no existential threat to Israel".
and who would be in a better position to know than the recently retired head of the Israeli spy agency, who's job it was to secure the homeland? Gen. Dempsey recently stated that Iran was a "rational" player and is doing what any other sovereign nation would do is such situations.
so what would be the rational for attacking Iran at this point for Israel or the US?
there isn't one, notice while the politicians in both the US and Israel are pushing for the war , the military leaders in both countries are pushing for the exact opposite.
And if Israel decided to attack Iran, they should do so without any expectation of aid from the US, of any kind, including stabilization, if they want or need to take action let them foot the bill from start to finish, it's not our job to clean up after them. as you said, Iran or Syria would not attack US installations so there would be no need for the US to get involved.
Once again... Israel's problem... I agree it would be rather stupid because it potentially would open up another 7 day war situation, but that is their problem... Their people and leaders can decide whatever they like. I also agree that we should not give aid to any country, but at the same time we should not tell them what to do.
The role of the US should be to focus on stability of the region to protect open and free trading of energy resources in the region.
Stability in the region means make sure Israel wins, right?
Let me get this straight: so you're saying Israel can do whatever it likes (and would be justified in doing so), and the US can do whatever it likes, but Iran can't do whatever they like? Nice consistent position you've got there.
In any event, there will be no peace because Israel and the US are not interested in peace. Both countries have spent astronomical sums on weapons, and gosh darn, they're going to use them to get what they want. And I'll give you three guess what they want.
Here are my guesses:
Unicorns
Cold Fusion
Peace
The traditional solution is not peace, it's low-level back and forth conflict, with an emphasis on low. One tribe will overrun another tribe's land, mess with their people, get chased off, and go home. Then the other tribe does the same thing at some later time and things balance out. It's a kind of low-level warfare between the male apes, who can't help but vie for control of territory.
But when you add the kind of arms that have been made possible through modern engineering, that is when bad ideas get magnified to incomprehensible levels. That is when imposing one tribe's will upon another means the other tribe is decimated.
I don't think Iran deserves to be turned into a sheet of glass. Like here, their government is not representative of the people.
If Israel does decide to attack Iran, the blowback would be significant. Bombs != Stuxnet.
Huh?
In your haste to make the neighbourhood bully seem 'the moral equivalent to our nations' first freedom fighters' or something to that effect, you seem to have been carried so far out to sea by the tide of pumping rhetoric as to have lost all ability to string together a couple of thoughts coherently. I am glad, however that you managed to work the 1812 event into the discussion, as we surely can learn something from the past 200 years.
The War of 1812 was largely a result of partisan interests in the northeastern states seeing an opportunity to strike at an easy prey whilst their protection(the British) were occupied by the Napoleonic campaigns. Not only were these fanatics opposed by the neighbours to the north who chose to live outside of the, ah, enduring freedom of the Republic, and then actually defended their right to do so to the death, they were also opposed by a great body of opinion in the United States, who saw directly through the warmongers schemes, and denounced the war as a fruitless and vindictive effort. The summary punishment delivered to those who did show up to do battle, by a motley collection of British regulars, farmboy militiamen, and angry red men thoroughly sick to death of Federal politicians breaking their treaty terms and attacking their livelihoods gave the hotheads pause for thought, and cooler heads eventually prevailed...end result, 200 years of undefended borders amid mutual prosperity(well, till recently at least!)
As hard to believe as it is, the War also demonstrates that there was a time when respected American politicians actually cared enough about the public duties entrusted to them to stand up to special interest groups and say NO to wars of no significance to defense of the nation.
Imagine that happening today! You'd have to be a nutjob or a terrorist, like Paul or Kucinich to run off at the mouth like that...:not a single penny for wars of conquest in far off lands delivering massive doses of lethal weaponry onto civilian populations! We need all that money for the economy at home!" Lock em up...
as for your inexplicable reference to merchant ships and Israel, I cannot imagine what you are on about, unless you are referring to evil maritime terrorists like the passengers of the Mavi Marmara, whose collection of kitchen utensils, writing implements, and hair care products struck fear into the hearts of even the toughest israeli commandos! Imagine the bravery of those fellows, defending not only themselves, but our freedoms as well, just like they did when the overly inquisitive rabble on the USS Liberty got in the way of ýour middle eastern "stability enablers." And if the USA wants peace, it had better remember that too, right Mr. Big Stick?!?
God, I love your posts!
Therapeutic, to say the least...
Gibberish, full of ad-hominem and will only be appealing to those that are susceptible to demagoguery. I see that there are a few here, unfortunately.
Ridiculous comment. The nation of Israel was conceived in violence, and created by massive land theft -- the next best thing to genocide. Arab gulf states have as much a right to attack Israel, even if they lack the ability or desire, as Israel has a right to exist. (Frankly, it has none.)
The western consensus that somehow the state of Israel has a "right to exist" as a Jewish nation is a cassus belli. Those that live by the sword will die by the sword. It is time that the west extricated itself from this centuries-old land/culture war in the middle east, and let them all sort it out. Without our aid, Israel would be a goner, in fact would have never existed, and the Jewish population would be forced to create a state that includes Arab populations instead of excludes them. They would be forced to cohabitate with their neighbors and find peacable solutions instead of herding Arabs into concentration camps and keeping them there for 40 years.
Why can't all the Jews just move to Nebraska? I mean the economic boom would be great, and they could get out of the ME, hopefully extinguishing the flame of violence. They have to be in Israel exactly why? 'Holy sites'? Just rocks and should be meaningless to God. It is their historic homeland? Nope, most of the Jews in Israel are NOT Semitic people. They are European converts. So why exactly again did they need to be placed there? If it was to fulfill some biblical prophecy, I will be pissed as hell.
Israel needs to find a way to deal with the problems that THEY created. They want to put people in pens, then let them take care of them. Terrorists tend to be created, not born. Most Americans are a bit tired of far-flung wars, with us doing the paying and dying. If Israel is so concerned, then let their people do the invading this time. And bleeding. There does not appear to be any shortage of zionists with very deep pockets. They can pay for this one. Uncle Sam is broke.
If Israel attacks Iran without being attacked by Iran first, Iran is fully justified under international law to retaliate against the Israelis in any way that Iran sees fit.
10 or 12 years back Iran invited Pakistan’s ISI DG Hamid Gul (or Hameed Gul) for consultation. He suggested them that if Iran wants to avoid any American aggression, Iran must built capability to strike Tel-Aviv. I have my gut feeling that Iran is capable and might have a working nuclear system. To me all these foaming mouths are just blowing hot air. Jews cannot afford a real million dead Jews even they can turn whole Iran into a glass.
I will be back with the link or you can Google.
Nuclear weapons are political weapons and not military weapons. Meaning, Iran's desire to become a nuclear state is simply to help insure its future. Also, to become a nuclear capable nation, and making that technology small enough to mount on a rockets are two completely different things.
Also, Israels desire to prevent this is obvious. Personally I feel that the current sanctions are poorly designed. If Iran wants to be a nuclear capable nation, then they must act like one. Meaning, they must end their support for the vary same groups that have charters for destroying Israel.
Well said. However, you kind of can't blame Iran for backing terrorist groups, when that is how the Great Game is played -- everyone else is doing the same thing, and has been forever. Hell, the U.S. or another western power installed or maintains just about every dictator and oppressive regime in the middle east. It is easier for westerners to connect the dots between the Iranian government and Hezbollah, for examle, than between the U.S. and Sadam Hussein, or the Iranian Shah. The mote in your brother's eye is easier to see than the beam in your own eye, for some reason.
Nevertheless, you're correct that it would be much harder to foment war against Iran if they would forego their RIGHT to behave as we do, and act a little more adult. Then, once their nuclear capability is fait accompli, they can do whatever the hell the want -- just like we do.
Read between the lines,
http://asianaffairs.in/september2011/nuclear-options.html
This is obviously what is going on, except that Barry Soetoro is trying to back out of it, at least until November 7th, then I'm sure he's all in.
Barry, like Woodrow Wilson, is growing to resent his Zionist puppet masters, I think.
In his latter day writings, Wilson revealed that he knew who ran things, and he regretted the control they had over him and the country.
New Term: Woodrobama
sean - you should be secstate...the infantile frat boy saber rattling war mongerer president and his coterie of neocon blood thirsty terrorists are indeed arrogant imperialists....
these little boys and girls in the white house, state dept, elsewhere are liars and irresponsible in the utmost....
thank you for your sober and highly astute article - especially your defense of sovereignty.....
Might I remind everyone that the Invasion of Iran is simply the logical next step in the War for Corporate Profits in the Muslim World.
The real question is Should we defer the Iran adventure for an oppurtinistic intervention in Syria as Comrade McCain suggests? We also have some other invasions waiting in the wings, Libya (again), Egypt possibly, extending the air bombardment in Pakistan (definitely). Now that the CIA has been empowered to act domestically and the drones are in place.. we also need to think about moving against domestic terrorists. Comrade Santorum has also reminded us of the threat posed by Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua and to the presence of Islamoterrorists in South and Central America. So much to do, so little time.
War for Corporate Profits in the Muslim World
Genetically-modified halal pork ? Or baby wear ?
Genetically modified bhurkas for conversion of domestic fembonazis to real American women.
Jews and Muslims are governed by similar dietary requirements.
Yeah .. they gotta eat.
the following suggestion:
is only possible if Iran hands over its gold and central bank to hofjuden
I sometimes wondered if Obama wasn't angling to make friends with Iran while throwing Israel to the wolves in exchange for oil access. Of course, then Iron Man 3 won't ever be released and that kind of passivising distraction is also a national strategic resource.
Two nuclear archrival, India and Pakistan are having a backdoor diplomatic discussions to normalize relations. The delegation includes top but retired service army generals and diplomats.
Many countries and economies are adjusting their positions to face tremors after US goes belly up.
Dude, there is no "backing into" happening. Its full frontal and a crowd pushing to make it happen, too. TPTB want blood, want oil, want control. The media blitz has been a full court press. Its on.
Most governments in this world are actually fascist regimes. Even so called democracies are actually really fascist. State monopolized form of government is indeed fascism. This is why states transition from fascism to communism, or socialist. The State is all about control, & maintaining control as well as preventing any future "possible" threats to it's control. Adolf Hitler espoused his beliefs of pre-emptive war in his ideology. That foreign cultures, races, ideologies, and countries are catagorized as future threats inevitably in the future. Just a matter of time. Hitler believed that civilizations always struggled with one another to dominate influence & natural resources. That foreign civilizations will inevitably clash with it's interests, & agenda, because they themselves have their own interests, & agenda. US government is not at all very different. This article points out the obvious. However, Iran doesn't need direct external stimuli to engage in development of bully weapons like the nuclear weapon, which can be used as a legitimate self defense. It's simply the nature of the State that seeks higher leverage to dominate geopolitical affairs. Not to say the US foreign policy isn't no where responsible, or gave incentive for Iran to develop nuclear weapons, it's just not a necessity. It could be very well true that Iran sees US foreign policy being aggressive which gave them the imperative to develop the weapons of mass death. US foreign policy is very much like of that of Adolf Hitler's belief system. The only minor difference is that US didn't engage in mass invasions like the way Hitler did to dominate a continent, or the world, but using a variety of different tactics, or strategy, such as setting up coups, bribery, etc. The usual things you see with corruption. FDR was the guy who started to see the reasoning for pre-emptive war even before Nazi Germany was attacking the US shipping. It's the fear of the unknown that makes bureaucrats jump the gun on a really unpredictable future. Since then, US foreign policy has been that of fascism. Where traditional fascist regimes like Mussolini, & Hitler set to achieve autarky, US engages in war for dollar hedgemony. Fascism is about the State's national interest. That's why many wars are launched without the American public's approval, but bureaucrats always use the perception of national security. National security to whom? The Cold War exemplified the foreign policy of fascist USA, & that of communist Soviet Union. It's about control of natural resources, & political influence for the benefits of economic growth (fascist state leeches off of to make fascism stronger), political strength. Fascism uses nationalism as uniting factor to do what it wants to do. This goes for US, & Iran. They are not much different in the context of desires. To say that Iran people are patiotic & want a nuclear bomb of death is quite abhorrent. Patriotism is that of ignorance. So many wars are the result of suckers to who hold value on something as made up as patiotism.
The "cold war exemplified the foreign policy of fascist USA"?? Yah.. Right.. Might I remind you of Khrushchev shoe incident in the 1960's? The USSR no doubt had plans to destroy the US if ever given the chance. It wasnt about fascism. It was about survival...
Sure it was about fascism. Invading Vietnam was about survival? Survival of who? The State. Vietnamese communist had nothing to do with American way of life. Of course USSR had intention of dominance as well, as I said in my original post, the nature of the State is to get stronger. The Cold War is over, what is it called now? One of the tenants of fascism is that the survival of a nation is contingent on monopolizing all natural resources & influence. This was indeed Adolf Hitler's view. That's how he viewed history, from Romans fighting Carthage, or Muslim Caliphate taking over territories, from the Crusades, the Cod Wars, etc, the list goes on. That's the rational behind pre-emptive foreign policy is that of survival, but also to thrive, to steal, monopolize resources, which during the Cold War did follow when it had a policy of supporting pro-US regimes, even if they weren't democracy by a long shot, but obviously fascist states. In fact, US is so pro-democracy (not), it supported the overthrow of a democractically elected prime minister in Iran, which the Shah came to power, then the Mullahs overthrew the unpopular US & UK backed Shah. US is indeed a fascist regime. Many of the candidates that americans elect are indeed fascist. They have so much in common with the likes of Mussolini, and Hitler, the tenants of fascism, it's really shocking. Obama himself is a fascist. You better believe it. US went from a constitutional small government country to that of fascist state where the constitution is thrown under the rug, and basically doesn't matter & there is many US politicians that will vouch the Constitution is not of any value to them. US as a country is that of a fascist model. The only difference is that last remnants of the Constitution, the representative-democratic process are still intact that you could say are saving the public from a outright dictator.
Just because a couple items apply does not mean everything applies. I see no eugenics programs in the US. Also, if Obama is a fascist, then why are his biggest supporters the labor unions? Fascism by its very nature opposes any and all striking of workers because it attacks the singular mindset.
I understand what you are saying, and agree with some. However, I think a better terminology would be a plutocracy rather than fascism.... This term more than applies in nearly everything.
The key to solving the current situation, in my opinion, is to cut off the enabling money supply. If we are able to stop the Federal Reserve from implementing a stealth tax by printing money which is short circuiting our democratic system of government, then everything else will fall in line. Meaning, congress (or the president) cant wage pointless wars without the money to do it. Having a system of government live within its means is critical to the preservation of a democratic system. If people want something, they must be willing to pay for it.
Yep. Honest (commodity-backed) money, and honest (full reserve) banking would rid the world of many, many problems -- primarily by making it economically impossible for welfare states or empires to exist.
Shut up. Hitler was an honest, upstanding guy compared to these fuckers. I'm really sick of morons spouting off like Hitler just up and one day decided Germany had to own the world like there wasn't a whole slew of other shit the German people went through prior to that. None of WWII was about states and none of this is either. it's about nations of seperate races & cultures and which one gains power over the others. resources are only part of that as are states. Nation !=State.
No nation is allowed their own state, resources and pride (except one of course). A nation can have two out of three but if a 3rd is reached for then the media blitz and secular outsider state interference starts. US foreign policy is just an extension of this rule.
That NYT columnist wrote glowing articles about Stalin because he was either a plant, or saw "Potemkin Villages" (hollow storefronts) that reinforced his prejudices; the NYT has never disavowed nor returned that Pulitzer, since they cannot admit they were fooled or made a mistake in publishing drivel.
Sean Stone is either a plant or duped by the Iranian government the same way that NYT columnist was; in future years we'll find out how he was lied to by the Iranian ayatollahs the same way.
A free press does not imply an intelligent press, or an unbiased press; make up your own minds.
Did they write it before or after Stalin's purges that cleared the party of the high-ranking jews? 'Cause communism in general was quite popular among the elite in this nation until that happened. Just sayin'....
ooops....
What was that about Libya..
Eastern Libya which contains most of Libya's oil just announced its quasi-independence
http://rt.com/news/libya-split-cyrenaica-autonomy-971/
And while I have your attention
Shale gas to the rescue!!! Ummm... maybe not
http://fuelfix.com/blog/2012/03/09/fracking-failing-to-crack-china-europe-shale-exxon-says/
Finally, XOM ain't pulling their load
http://247wallst.com/2012/03/08/exxon-production-estimated-to-drop-in-2012-xom/
Edit: Think of all the profits XOM is passing up because they can't even increase production 50,000 bpd (at a net profit of $20 per barrel, that is a cool $365 million in profit p.a.)....If only they hired some abiotic oil exports they could make some real profits....
Maybe they can't find "some abiotic oil exports" to hire, eh? Still ranting, I see. We mustn't let the sheep think they are being herded by the oil companies and contrived s.hortages of oil, eh?
Maybe XOM has other reasons they don't want their profits to appear higher? Some people think they already border on the obscene and are bothering their elected "representatives". Maybe they like the idea of being able to make more money by selling less oil? What do you suppose that does to gross profit margins?
You are being played like a fiddle. If only the oil companies could just get everybody to believe as you do, then maybe they could make some real money.
And we certainly don't need any new technologies like LENR raining on our parade, eh? Better to just kill those mofukers that you can't shout and heckle out of town before it gets out of hand, eh? The multi-billion $$$ tokamak crew and the DOE concurs.
I came across this gem, made me think of you:
Your logic is so twisted, it defies analysis....
That's stupid.
I'm not the one that religiously believes in Big Oil's bullshit. You are. Contrary to you, I actually allow for other explanations, including those that can actually be demonstrated experimentally.
You would be able to see better if you took your head out of your ass.
Here is an appropriate song for you...
http://trololololololololololo.com/
When you start making coherent arguments that are self-consistent, I will reply...
Till then, I have filed you in my troll file with a do not resuscitate order....
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As far as Peak Oil being "Big Oil bullshit", could you please point me to statements by XOM et al. that supports the premise of peak oil???
Ciao for niao....
dbl
A somewhat incoherent article. Pre-emptive War is a concept usually favoured by those undertaking it like Japan on 7 December 1941. It does not always turn out as expected. Evidence suggests Hitler's Operation Barbarossa was pre-emptive in the sense that Stalin was gearing up and re-arming throughout the 1920s and 1930s aiming to cut off German oil supplies from Bessarabia. However, after Khrushchev evaluated Kennedy as weak in Geneva in the 1950s, Kennedy proved the point by not destroying the Berlin Wall which broke the Four Power Agreement on Berlin - Kennedy blinked and missiles arrived in Cuba.
So why didn't the US launch a pre-emptive war on the USSR ? Perhaps the same reason the French refused Pilsudski's demand to launch a pre-emptive war on Germany in 1935 ......or Nixon stopped the USSR from launching a pre-emptive war on China in 1969.
It is all a calculated risk and depends how confident people feel in Obama and his assorted advisers to manage the process......it certainly proves that having a working nuclear weapon deters pre-emptive attack
Iran will be destroyed because it pursues energy policies that make sense (and we can't have that).
http://acrossthestreetnet.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/the-extraordinarily-high-cost-of-pseudo-capitalism/
While I think it's nice that a rich kid has spare time to travel around the world, see lots of places and meet people, I don't think that makes him an expert at anything except aircraft safety briefings.
I agree with him that there's generally no justification going to war with any nation that's merely developing a nuclear weapon.
I also agree the people of Iran, by and large, bear no animous towards America or Americans. In fact, I've heard many reports that many Iranians like America.
The problem here isn't that the people of Iran are going to lob a nuke at Isreal or smuggle one into the USA.
The problem is that the religious zealots running the regime there aren't rational or sane by Western standards. They don't value life, liberty or freedom. They hate infidels, especially Jews with a burning passion. They will do anything they can, at any cost, to wipe Israel off the map and eliminate Jews the world over.
With that in mind, Israel is closely monitoring Iran's nuclear ambitions. Their nation's safety and security demand this surveillance and if the situation demands it, I'm sure Israel's military will take care of business in a professional and efficient manner.
"I also agree the people of Iran, by and large, bear no animous towards America or Americans. In fact, I've heard many reports that many Iranians like America."
regular people bear no animous toward any other regular people. Its the sociopathic cultural and political "leaders" that do, just as it ever was.
A regular american has more in common with a regular Iranian or a regular ancient greek or a regular of Xerxies foot soldiers than they do with any of the slick lizards in the media or washington.
It's always been about class. Always will be.
Hey, ya gotta have class. I got class! (when I want to..) You got class?
I visited Iran some 20 years ago with a Japanese businessman. When I introduced him to Iranian hosts, he was offered chair first and tea with sugar cubes and a lot of respect. I noticed this where ever I went with him. I finally ask them why he gets extra respect. He said people are sympathetic with Japanese because they were atomic bombed in world war. I am not sure how thing are today.
"The problem is that the religious zealots running the regime there aren't rational or sane by Western standards. They don't value life, liberty or freedom. They hate infidels, especially Jews with a burning passion. They will do anything they can, at any cost, to wipe Israel off the map and eliminate Jews the world over."
Please stop!!! Your statement is proof positive of the successful propaganda media script that America is fed. You are only allowed to see what they want you to see, and they spin and misrepresent to create your opinion. Read the history of the Tavistock Institute!
Do you not know that 10's of thousands of Jews (as well as Christians) live safely in Iran, and are allowed to practice their religion and customs without interference? It is not true Judaism that Iran sees as such a threat and wishes would be eradicated, but ZIONISM!!! Did you know that Judaism teaches superiority over all other "races" and religions, who are considered sub-human? If Iran wants to kill all Jews and Christians, then why wouldn't they simply slaughter the ones right in their own country?
You seriously need to read the following article to gain an understanding of the TRUTH, not propaganda:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=29626#.T1fEGDbyf4A...
If you don't read the above, then you are part of the mind-numbed masses who is easily fooled!
Yes Puppy sure. Try converting from Muslim to Christian in Iran. They are not as free as you think. Nor are the baha'i or sufi moslems.
http://www.persecution.net/iran.htm
http://www.christianpersecution.info/index.php?view=11305
http://www.persecution.org/category/countries/middle-east/iran/
Yes, as someone here on ZH said recently, '..take a sign that says 'I AM A CHRISTIAN' and walk down the sidewalk. Any sidewalk. And see how many seconds pass before you are dead.'
If you are so confident about your .. beliefs, take this sidewalk test. If you are not killed and are able to return, you'll be vindicated and we'll be proved wrong.
In the spirit of solidarity with your concern for persecuted Christians, allow me to suggest that you widen your scope further to include similar religious-based human rights violations in other countries such as....israel. In the case you are not familiar with the widespread and longstanding persecution of Arab-Christian and other Christian minorities there,
or,
And, I am sure it will further inflame your commendable passion for justice to investigate the case of Roy Tov, the jewish born convert to Christianity persecuted in Israel and elsewhere for the crime of turning his back on the hegemonist zealot power. (roytov.com)
Your commentary on these parallel persecutions to minority Christian groups will be a welcome addition here, and will put to rest any doubts some might have as to the sincerity and motivation of your efforts to paint the Iranians in particular, and Muslims in general, in the worst of lights...and possibly have the additional benefit of helping you overcome your fear of sidewalks.
Speaking of experts n all, if you're going to be crazy enough to go to bat for a bunch of extremist weirdos with a passion to terrorize all the rest of us, at least get your facts straight!
Muslims don't call Jews infidels, genius, nor Christians, either - they refer to both as Ahl-e-kitab, fellow people of the Book; there's a very good reason so many Jews still live in Iran and other Muslim countries...cause they are considered, and consider themselves, members of the community, entitled to the full rights of the nation as long as they fulfill their obligations to same.
As for the regime itself, well, it was largely constructed and put in place by western intelligence forces anyways, it's all group think no matter the address, the mad bastards in Washington London, Paris and tel aviv are just faces of different forms of zealotry...whose misbegotten attempts to stir up hatred you seem to enjoy parroting for some reason best known to yourself.
Silly question time, but why would Iran nuke Israel? Israel is only 1000 miles from Iran so it seems kinda silly to irradiate yourself. Syria, which is much closer to Israel, is supposedly a friend of Iran, why would they irradiate them? Seems Iran should know that we would nuke them back, so why sign your own death certificate? I don't care how crazy extremist your are, would you really be that willing to commit suicide to wipe our your enemy?
Iran SAM defenses...-2 years.
http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Iran-SAM-Deployment.html
The imagined enemy has won: the result of the U.S. war and propaganda machine has been to severely depress American's freedoms, optimism and hope creating a nation of people that live to exist rather than exist to live: happiness and enjoying life is fast becoming a faded memory from the past.
"To assert that Iran would jeopardize its culture for a one-shot nuclear attack is a complete miscalculation of the Iranian spirit; that spirit gave rise to a revolution in 1979 against what they perceived as Anglo-American imperialism."
It is the very imperialism that drives the hegemonic powers to control the region and its resources. It has as much to do with Iran's nuclear threat as Iraq's WMD's did. That is the obfuscation. Continue.
Leon Panetta, Barack Obama Are Not Beholden To The Law. - They believe it is their divine privilege to act above the law, inviting a time when theerror of their ways brings tragedy to us and themselves.
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qui tacet consentire videtur!
There's something solid forming in the air,
And the wall of death is lowered in Times Square.
No-one seems to care,
They carry on as if nothing was there.
- FLY ON A WINDSHIELD
Genesis: "The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway"
"we will likely be distracted by yet another ‘necessary’ conflict in the Mid East (Syria, Iran?), as the 1% of the 1%’s Goose steps the balance of man ever closer to a global calamity. - The Stock Market & The ‘Paranormal’ Spiral Of Debt
We have warned and warned of the decimation of our liberties and the push toward a police state. These warnings have been met with the manifestation of those developments we feared. And the NDAA is a sad culmination of laws long broken now legitimized. Few however, seem concerned.
So what lies in the future of our ‘American exceptionalism’ and post 9/11 patriotic blood lust? "
The Silent Coup, Para Militarization And The New Reich
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War With Iran: A False Flag Alert"Among many examples the June 8, 1967, False Flag Attack on the USS Liberty by Israel, with the intent of blaming Egypt, stands out...
"Apathy and tolerance are the last virtues of a dying society". - Aristotle.
"The hipno-induced psychotic public can't even hear the war drums any more; no matter how loud... Any way you look at it, be forewarned. However, we are conscious humanity and we will triumph..."
"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of a day, but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers, too plainly prove a deliberate systematical plan of reducing us to slavery."" - Thomas Jefferson
War With Iran: A False Flag Alert
Western World needs desperately WWIII as distraction from inevitable collapse of monetary system.
War will be used as excuse for coming price inflation and censorship of internet.
All contracts will be forcibly renegotiated just to save the system and screw up people.
Due of scarcity of goods, people will turn on each other, authorities will use this to clean up all vigilantes and dissidents.
After danger of loosing domestic control goes away, WWIII will be ended.
The right to plunder is the reality behind the bogus right to protect (R2P), the casus belli for the attacks on Yougoslavia, Iraq I and II, Sudan, Lybia and now the covert operations in Syria.
"Human rights" has beed the preferred ideological cover used by "democrats", imperialists and communists since the American Revolution. The genocide of the Vendée, the Terror Period, the Napoleonic version of spreading kinetic democracy, the ravage of the American South, the communist take over of Russia, the Holodomor, Churchill, FDR, Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Mao, Pol pot and many others instances of mass murder, aggressive war, and wanton destruction had a humanitarian/egalitarian justification.
United States should not attack Iran and has no right to. Israel should not attack Iran and has no right to. Iran is a sovereign nation. Now that being said I would advise the author...Please don't act like Mr. Putin should be the next great nobel peace prize winner.
Propaganda is used by all governments and you qouting Mr. Putin like he is a credible source and like he actually believes what he says is laughable. He is playing the same game as the Americans are.
in 1964 we went through this drill with Communist China. President Johnson minimized the immediate military threat of a nuclear China, suggesting instead that Chinese leaders were more interested in a nuclear capability's deterrent effect. Johnson ruled out preemptive action against Chinese nuclear facilities except in "response to major ChiCom aggression."
"...the escalation will more likely sacrifice the Israeli people for the sake of a game of empire."
Hummm, if humanity survives this stupidity, HBO can create a mini-series titled, A Game of Empires. Maybe they can get Geoge RR Martin to write the screenplay.
For those of you following along in your hymnals, we must not let a crisis go to waste.
However a person is feeling they want to spin this, I believe one should not forget that the President of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad -- along with other strategic politically positioned appointees of his -- is a member of a narrow Shia Muslim sect called the "Hasteners" -- people who believe that the return of the "Imam" is imminent (including the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei), and that it is the duty of the faithful to take whatever steps they can to hasten his return (akin to the Christian apocalypse).
Stone argues "the Iranian people are reasonable..", but misses the whole point. The Iranian people are not calling the shots. Ahmadinejad & Khamenei are, and it is their beliefs that guide their actions. It appears Stone is trying to use the "M.A.D." Mutually Assured Destruction position as why "everything will be juussstt fine", and that Iran with nukes won't be half the problem everyone thinks it'll be, 'cause "The Iranians have no interest in destroying America, or Israel, at the expense of one of the oldest continuous civilizations in the world, dating back about 2600 years."
Wha'? This viewpoint is hyper-focusing on what the 'average' Iranian may be thinking, but is pointedly ignoring the extremely large elephant in the room -- that a religious sect whose members control the country .. a) would like to literally "hasten" the arrival of the End-of-the-World, and b) is actively constructing nuclear weapons.
Now come ON. This is not (no pun intended) rocket science, here. Anyone with a couple of synapses to scratch together can see that if you have 2, and you add 2, you are GOING to get 4. The more you look at all the puzzle pieces, the more things add up. To help illustrate the holes in Stone's arguement, look here .. Tehran’s government-run Farsi News Agency has published an interview (3 weeks'ish ago) with the widow of a nuclear scientist who was recently killed. Pointedly, according to Kashani (the widow), her late husband, Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan Behdast, a chemistry professor and a deputy director of commerce at Natanz uranium enrichment facility, had strong feelings about his work: “Mostafa’s ultimate goal was the annihilation of Israel.” This is a man who was reportedly -in charge- of Iran's nuclear development work.
Now, I am not trying to defend some sort of invasion of Iran. I am simply trying to say that every human being that happens to be alive on this planet will regret the day that a crazy-man in charge of Iran, who -- ostensibly would like nuclear weapons to make his religious dreams come true -- got them.
It simply sharpens the question of the hour: What do we do?
Nothing, and let the Hastener's dreams come true?
Sean Stone?! Are you serious?
WTF, get this jackass off here. F'n hollywood bullshit. I'd rather read what a porn star has to say about Iran.
The Iranian people, like the American people, are reasonable, but proud; if they believe in a right to nuclear capabilities, it is because they feel they have the same national right as do the Israelis or Pakistanis, both of whom have already weaponized the region.
Not sure if I really believe this about the Iranian people, as I would have no way of telling. But for the moment, I'll take your word for it. That being said, how "reasonable" is Ahmedinijad as a leader for these people? I've read recently that his allies in local elections are losing said elections and whatnot. Seems as if the people are losing faith in him and his "leadership"
One of my classmates in school sat next to me. She described her escape with family via Italy and other ways from Iran.
It took some years and we managed to Americanize her. No longer will she be required to stand out side and shout death to the great Satan, death to little Satan etc.
If you have been around as long as I have, you will recall US Battleships brought out of Mothballs and refitted. Some of them bombarded Syrian Artillery positions on or about the time the US Marines were attacked and killed in Beruit by a truck bomb.
It would take many years to learn the details of our attempt to snatch the hostages (Pretty good on paper... at least to me)
To see Bin Laden killed means we are through with Afghanistan. We should pack up and go. However why are we still there?
To threaten Iran?
If you accept that Israel is a Sovereign Nation and will self determine/act with whatever method She chooses to protect her people, we should do the same.
The Bible explains that there will be wars, talk and rumor of wars and other Alarms... but we are not to fear the last days.
So prepare yourself accordingly.
As far as WW3 is concerned, we are woefully unprepared, having removed the fallout shelters from our cities and towns so long ago.
Okay, my two cents for what it's worth. The Iranian People, like the Iraqi People, like the Afghani People, Like the American People, Like the Russian People, like the ______ People, are okay. It's the folks who "hold the power" who are the nuts jobs! It only takes a single, charismatic person to rise to the top of the politicial heap to move a country from peaceful coexistance to aggressive beligerance.
Take Russia today, Putin has pulled the strings promising a rebirth of the USSR. No more uncertainty, no more dissent, a return to glory! And the trains will run on time too!
Iran lacks that Charismatic leader, because the religious authorities don't want someone from the non-clerical hierarchy to be in charge. But were someone from the hierarchy to arise with a nuclear arsenal at his disposal.....
The world got lucky in the mid-part of the last century. But nationalism is on the rise in many areas. What is worse is the rise of extremist religion, which produces warriors for God who have their rewards promised as they go to die. Anyone who is a student of history hears the echos of Bushido in this mantra. Imagine if Japanese soldiers, so willing to blindly attack, had stocks of chemical weapons at their disposal and instead of military to military (honorable war) were told that killing ANY of the enemy was their sworn duty?
Charisma by itself can be uplifting, if for the good of all. IF for the Greater good as defined by the charismatic one, it can lead to death camps. How many Americans were members of the American Nazi Party and how many still are? The dark of evil can lie within anyone, a nuclear darkness could be our asteriod collision. Maybe the cockroaches have it right after all.
The real reason this whole Iran, Israel, USA, WW III issue is working it's way to the front page is November 2012 is fast approaching. Obama is trying to call Bibi off so he can do it himself. This is right out of the Bill Clinton "Wag the Dog" play book.
The Iranian equation is more complicated than people think. The greatest fear of a nuclear Iran doesn't come from Israel but from Saudi Arabia. The Saudis are terrified of a nuclear Iran and have a large Shiite population within their borders that they have kept suppressed. The whole Middle East is like a goddamn tinder box - anything could set it off.
I would disagree with your assessment of the Iranian character to some extent. Did anyone in America follow the Iran-Iraq war? Did anyone outside Iran and Iraq? The British and the Americans helped their "ally" Saddam against an Iran that had just been "liberated" by the revolutionaries. The two countries went to war when Saddam attacked (presumably with assurances from Britain and America - both countries wanted Iran to be taught a lesson). The Iranians faced the Iraqi attack with a kind of suicidal Shiite martyrdom that even terrified the Iraqis (but really none of that would come as a surprise to those who have any knowledge of Shiite history).
I think the issue is what Americans can rationally do. Ranting for or against war doesn't get anyone anywhere. The main issue is what is at stake. If it is merely the safety of Israel, that isn't reason enough (some would argue) to do anything. If it is fear of Iran dominating the Middle East (and toppling the Saudi regime) and thereby cutting off the supply of oil, that would be another matter altogether.
I think it is very dumb to simply say that as Iran is a sovereign country, therefore, they deserve a nuclear capability. Well if the Americans leave and the Taliban control Afghanistan, does Afghanistan as a sovereign country also have a "right" to Nukes? I don't think so. And also, by the way, a nuclear Iran also carries some rsk of a nuclear war with Pakistan. Those who know nothing of the Shiite-Sunni hatred would know nothing about the "issues" between the two sides. Iran is Shiite, Pakistan is Sunni.
It is a complicated situation that requires some statesmanship. America hasn't got it in its present leadership, unfortunately. The Neocons are dangerous buffoons who have already committed one massive mistake by getting rid of Saddam. Iraq is now worse than it was before and the Shiites now control it (many funded by Iran). So who knows what will happen?
Turing your back to the world dosn't make the world go away. This isn't 1900. Technology has made the world a smaller and more dangerous place. Some rationality is required.
Last point: Iran's civilization isn't 2600 years old, it goes back a LOT futher than that. But most vestiges of that were destroyed when the dominant Zoroastrian culture was replaced by Islam. The Zoroastrians left for India 10 centuries ago and established a thriving trading community that continues to dominate business there to this day. But the Islamic takeover of Iran severed its links with its past. That has also happened in other Muslim countries (in the same way that Christianity severed links with Europe's pagan past).
must see video about syria featuring a local favorite. ww3 is in full bud ready to boom(sic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fuWItcSRrM8
"What I believe is currently being played out is an 'endgame' scenario, by failing West European and American economies, threatening to explode what has historically been referred to by British imperialists as the Heartland of Eurasia".
Economics doesn't matter. The elite is driven by long term geopolitics, not by the ups and downs of the cycle. PNAC was kicked off in back in 1997. The ensuing monetary expansion and crashes were accepted as an environment as long as the military build-up around the heart land could be completed.
This is a replay on the 1920s:
then the monetary over expansion of the US was accepted in order to funnel money into rebuilding the German war machine before it was handed over to Wall Street financed radicals who drove it off into the Eastern swamps as expected.
"The Iranian people, like the American people, are reasonable, but proud"
So what are American people? How do you define " but proud".
"the escalation will more likely sacrifice the Israeli people for the sake of a game of empire."
And here folks, is the real deal. At last we see there is this understanding of the larger agenda of the globalist banksters headed by the lead hydra rothschild that is pushing this world domination and population reduction war agenda. Yes, of course the Balfour Declaration of 1917 was manifested to create Israel to be the final card to play in the Three World Wars agenda plan. To sacrifice the entire regions people is the goal, and the isrealli people do nothing to stop their own demise. Even a fourth grader can see all that. The problem is, we have not stopped the steady March towards this endgame yet. Bet you ten cents that if all the worlds people woke up to this FACT and acted together as the family of man we all are, we could end this madness for profit and murderous evil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration_of_1917
The "Israeli tool" will be USED to start the final solution world war that is meant to rid the planet of most of the populations of people. These elitist scum bags plan to survive in their underground hide-a-ways leaving humanity to fend for itself after the entire planet is killed off. Plain and simple Eugenics. All the reasons, excuses, and lead-ups to implement this overhead agenda are all around us today. All that remains is for the head rothschild snake to give the order to the lackey puppet nuttyyahoo to attack Iran and we enter the tunnel of no return to world peace. This may have already happened as we just saw the rottenchids puppet nuttyyahoo come give the US puppet soetero/obama his marching orders.
http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm
Another easy to see and horrendous fallacy is the christian nation that has been duped to believe they have to have this world war to eliminate isreals enemies so Jesus can come back. Holy cat piss people, stop drinking the mind-Kontroling Fluoride cool-aid! You really want a world war that will kill off 95% of the people, annihilate every other biological life form on the planet, and make the Earth uninhabitable for any life form for the next ten-thousand years? GET REAL! We must make these sheeple understand that if this happens and Jesus comes back, there will be no one left that he can be the Lord for. All life will have been killed off on the planet. And, how could he as a human ever survive a single day in a nuklear/biological/chemical wasteland? Why don't normal rational thinking non-cultist people think about things like this? Even this writer with less than a high school education can comprehend these implications and sure signs of times to come. IE: They do not spend the zillions of bio-bot credits(FRN's)'on the gas to go to the middle east to go on vacation. They only spend the money on making more war. What is wrong with the so called educated christian people who think they know it all? Has America become the nation that loves their god money and war more than God the Creative force called Love? More than the Prince of Peace?
The devilish evil is in the deceiving mind-Kontroling digital TV. We dare you to turn it off and declare your freedom from the imperial mind conditioning.
REAL NEWS: http://whatreallyhappened.com/
What has also been sad to watch is how the blue lodges of what they call "useless idiots" are also Working towards this agenda of the perfect utopian kingdom for these same rotten rothschild banksters not knowing they are being used as cannon fodder to further this population control agenda. Most are now finally realizing that this population control agenda also includes them and their families too, and they are resisting the top of the pyramids scam and self-aggrandizement for the costs of most of the life forms on the planet Earth.
If you have not read this document in its entirety, please do so you may call yourself knowledgeable. Comments are welcome after you have read the entire document. Where do you fit in on this part of the agenda?
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
So, to properly put a period on this report, thank you Tyler for putting this together so well in words. Much appreciation for all the great writings here, and for all the highly advanced souls that contribute real positive Light here. Here in these long halls of wisdom, it is a true honor to be here among the real elite thinkers of this world. Truly, Grand Hearts many of you are. There is no better place than zerohedge that the Circle of Wagons of the real awakening Lightbrigaders gather so well. Thank you all from the Heart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyzCS98c56I
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A good dose of diplomacy is needed. Moslem gov'ts are a big problem, fomenting hatred of the west among their people. The moslem religion is a system with no individuality. And the US Imperialism, yeah ok. Every religion wants to take over the world, but any one religion can't. That's because we live in mystery Babylon, and the hoar riding the beast; she represents a world religious and economic system now/in future. When it becomes centered in the great city in Babylon is when it becomes One World/10 kingdoms, then soon after a world dictatorship. Ugh. You don't hear much about Babylon, but the US has carved out a huge 80 ac embassy there and is making it a link for fiber optics betwn Eur and Asia.
We are backing into NOTHING!!!!
It has all been laid out, from the beginning of time, through the Bible, the prophets and though the satanic writing of Albert Pike and others.
We should feel honored. We are here for the show, the big finale. We have a reservation for a prime table in the Restaurant at the End of the Universe.... or at least this little portion of it at "this time".
Don't go nuts. We are more than the physical, animalistic being, that the media would like to portray us (they want you to think you are inadequate, primarily sexual and full of warmonger passion... but you have a brain and soul as well ... don't let them drop you to the LOWEST common denominator). We do not need idols nor do we need to seek to be one. It is not HIS way.
Let Satan and his followers enjoy their day. It will be over because the only way he can win is by winning YOU! And, you don't need to allow him to win.
What's the over/under on how many nukes Israel has again???
Bunches. And with three nuclear submarines -- armed -- actively travelling in unknown locations at All Times -- just to keep Those Who Worry worrying.
Get it through your heads, its not about Iran's right to nukes. Its about oil. The Iranians have to do whatever TPTB wants them to do with their oil or they'll move in someone else who will.
I'm sorry, we're not talking about "Iranian spirit", we are talking about Islam.
British Imperialsim...that's what it is. Anglo-American is close, as it is technically acurate. But only because we're the lackey.
British Imperialsim...joined by it's lackey America. Remember we joined their imperialism...which means we're their ideological bitch.
Glass-Steagall
American Credit System....not British Imperial Monetarism. (another thing we are a lackey at...and gee also causing problems...I wonder why)