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Guest Post: This Is Blowback
Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics
This Is Blowback
The YouTube video depicting Mohammed is nothing more than the straw that broke the camel’s back. This kind of violent uprising against American power and interests in the region has been a long time in the making. It is not just the continuation of drone strikes which often kill civilians in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and Afghanistan, either. Nor is it the American invasions and occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Nor is it the United States and the West’s support for various deeply unpopular regimes such as the monarchies in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia (and formerly Iran). Nor is it that America has long favoured Israel over the Arab states, condemning, invading and fomenting revolution in Muslim nations for the pursuit of nuclear weapons while turning a blind eye to Israel’s nuclear weapons and its continued expansion into the West Bank.
Mark LeVine, Professor of Middle Eastern history at U.C. Irvine, writes:
Americans and Europeans are no doubt looking at the protests over the “film”, recalling the even more violent protests during the Danish cartoon affair, and shaking their heads one more at the seeming irrationality and backwardness of Muslims, who would let a work of “art”, particularly one as trivial as this, drive them to mass protests and violence.
Yet Muslims in Egypt, Libya and around the world equally look at American actions, from sanctions against and then an invasion of Iraq that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and sent the country back to the Stone Age, to unflinching support for Israel and all the Arab authoritarian regimes (secular and royal alike) and drone strikes that always seem to kill unintended civilians “by mistake”, and wonder with equal bewilderment how “we” can be so barbaric and uncivilised.
All of these things (and many more) have contributed to Muslim and Arab anger toward the United States and the West. Yet the underlying fact of all of these historical threads has been the United States’ oil-driven foreign policy. Very simply, the United States has for over half a century pursued a foreign policy in the region geared toward maintaining the flow of oil out of the region at any cost — even at the cost of inflaming the irrational and psychopathic religious elements that have long existed in the region.
This is not to defend the barbaric elements who resort to violence and aggression as a means of expressing their disappointment with U.S. foreign policy. It is merely to recognise that you do not stir the hornet’s nest and then expect not to get stung.
And the sad thing is that stirring the hornet’s nest is totally avoidable. There is plenty of oil and energy capacity in the world beyond the middle east. The United States is misallocating capital by spending time, resources, energy and manpower on occupying the middle east and playing world policeman. Every dollar taken out of the economy by the IRS to be spent drone striking the middle east into the stone age is a dollar of lost productivity for the private market. It is a dollar of productivity that the market could have been spent increasing American energy capacity and energy infrastructure in the United States — whether that is in oil, natural gas, solar, wind or hydroelectric.
And this effect can spiral; every dollar spent on arming and training bin Laden and his allies to fight the Soviet Union begot many more thousands of dollars of military spending when bin Laden’s mercenaries turned their firepower onto the United States, and the United States chose to spend over ten years and counting occupying Afghanistan (rightly known as the graveyard of empires). It is likely that the current uprisings will trigger even more U.S. interventionism in the region (indeed it already has as marines have already been dispatched to Yemen) costing billions or even trillions of dollars more money (especially if an invasion of Iran is the ultimate outcome). This in turn is likely to trigger even fiercer resistance to America from the Islamist elements, and so the spiral continues on.
The only way out of this money-sucking, resource-sucking, life-sucking trap that is very literally obliterating the American empire is to swallow pride and get out of the middle east, to stop misallocating American resources and productivity on unwinnable wars.
But neither major Presidential candidate is interested in such a policy. Perhaps it is because war is a great profit source for the military-industrial complex, the force to which both the Democratic and Republican parties are beholden?
In any case, we should expect to see much more of this:
Source: Reuters
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What is the young adult unemployment rates in these countries, for 2000 Alex.
It is blowback as it was designed in the 1950s by US american secret services. Blowback meaning has shifted since then.
That is antagonizing people and cashing on it.
For example, US americans captured an old man in Afghanistan, tortured him, put him away in GB and later released him as he was not guilty. Instead of providing him with a shelter in the US, he was sent back to Afghanistan, where he was fully free of spreading his story, which had infuriating potential.
Another example: Mubarak was pal to US Americans. He helped them with torturing people and secret prisons. The US handed him people they tortured themselves so more torture to be inflicted.
Mubarak was also zealous and in order to impress his 'American' pals, he also imprisoned people and tortured them to show 'Americans' he meant business.
People that were released from their egyptian prisons.
Indeed, they have ground for hating US Americans and their story, when spred, is also likely to provoke wrath.
This is blowback as designed by US citizen secret services.
You plant a seed of discord and use the effect to magnify yourself.
US citizenism at work.
This is simply the Arab version of the Nazi Werwolf plan...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf
No. That is just good old plain 'american' blowback pattern.
And of course, Mubarak, who came to power when his predecessor, Anwar Sadat, was shot to death by his own soldiers, would have been a benevolent humanitarian if not for the United States.
Who cares about that? Ah, yes, 'Americans' who are eager of kicking the can...
Elsewhere though, people can put up with reality and in the this reality, Mubarak was a lap dog to the US.
What he would have been without US interference is just fantasy.
This is an 'American' world and a US world order.
Mubarak remained in power for as long as he did thanks to funding from the US. That's why they hate us. We install puppets who hurt their own people for the benefit of the US government.
And your point is?
That is blow back as it was originally designed by US secret services.
Contrary to the article that compares the situation to a nest of wasps...
Very well could be.
Did somebody hack your account? That actually made sense.
Anonymous, you make good points yet finish with your trolling psychobabble. It may go back much further than you know, especially if you don't study the secret societies. What you are describing is what I call the occultist dialectic. You would do better to replace "US citizenism" with "luciferian hierarchy." Many US citizens have always opposed these wars. Many US citizens are on these sites speaking out.
On another matter, I wonder if you know of this: http://rense.com/general80/pike.htm
Assuming it's a forgery or fraud--fine--still, mentioned in 1925? Faked in 1925?
Or another, similar take: http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike.htm
Only the truly ignorant believe this was started because of a video that nobody saw a month ago. This has Muslim brotherhood and Iran written all over it
It has Mossad fingerprints all over it. They want the war.
No.
It is the US who wants war in the middle east. The 2nd coming of the Crusades began after 9/11. Now 9/11 in 2012 heralds the expansion of the Crusades from Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan into Iran, Yemen and every other middle east country.
All for corporate and banking profits.
no.
puppeteer is not puppet.
all nationstates are being played though, and anyone who believes in them without question.
"All for corporate and banking profits."
And that leads back to ..... Zionist bankers.
Sam Becile has admitted in interviews that over 100 Jews helped him finance the film. Yet he is clear to call it an American production.
I pondered that thought, if so are these reactions against US interests the first real act of co-ordinated asymetrical warfare that I keep reading about in regards to Iran?
Remember though the movie seems to have been produced in the USA, would they go through the effort and risk of using operatives in the USA for that?
They "reacted" against a Germany embassy in the Sudan as well.
good pt walkure, I doubt it myself that its Iran, it appears though that somebody is setting something up by sowing seeds of destruction, violence, fear etc. Whoever it is, they're looking to bring chaos.
Chaos and an element of unity. Any military action against Iran is completely frowned upon in Europe. I guarantee that the Chickenhawks in the Pentagon and D.C. have drawn up several war plans and strategies and contingencies.
There was way too much involvement by UK and US intelligence in the months and weeks before Arab Spring.
US.
They reacted against the KFC b/c it ran out of chicken wings I heard on RT. Similar happened when Popeyes ran out of chicken last year in Detroit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pyW6w5B7Aw
These folks in Libya could have simply called KFC customer service and htings might have gone alot smoother.
In the USA, funded by over a hundred Jews, according to the filmmaker Bacile (if that is his real name--some debate on that point):
http://www.npr.org/2012/09/13/161103623/actors-in-anti-islam-film-say-th...
http://facethepolitics.com/2012/09/anti-islamic-film-fuels-attack-on-lib...
The above are two very different takes. Some say a Coptic Christian actualy made the film and lied about the Jewish donors.
Muddy waters here, indeed. Personally, I'm having a difficult time seeing how Coptic Christians benefit from this at all. Curious how it all exploded just after Nuttyyahoo's snubbing.
This article is bullshit. Is there any one cause for this? Really, US Foreign OIL POLICY? THAT'S THE 1 FUCKING CAUSE OF ALL OF THIS SHIT?? REALLY??? JUST THAT????
Bullshit, humanity is the cause of this. This region has been fighting and killing one another forever. Literally throughout history. Check out the crusades, the ottoman empire, the british empire, etc. These guys love fighting. Humans love fighting.
If you want a good article on what's going on, check out the WAR NERD: TYLER, you need to link to this guy.
Here's a recent article:
http://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/war-nerd-obamas-wars
I lived in Saudi Arabia for over a decade ('72-'85) They hated us long before Bush. I watched a State payed imam on State run TV hold a koran in one hand and a sword in the other and scream into the camera that these are the West's choices. I sat in on a living room debate of 6 adult Saudi men including 2 who were western educated (Oxford and Brown) discuss whether the fact that the West let women drive cars was sufficiently insulting to Allah as to justify jihad (it was). They don't view our foreign policy as horrific, they view it as milque toast namby-pamby, in their view a real man does not try to aid his conqured enemy by "nation -building" he grinds them into dust and sows salt. Those who think they hate us for our foreign policy are simply pathetically self- deluded. They hate us because THAT IS THE PROPER ATTITUDE OF A MUSLIM TOWARDS A DHIMMI!
Bingo!
Ofcourse how else you would keep the local population submissive while exporting the oil for Dollahs. Just that the real culprits are not whom you think they are.
You weren't paying attention then. Saudi Arabia does not define Islam as a whole, only the fundamentalist strain of Wahhabi. As an outsider and non-Muslim, your conversations were unlikely to be as open and frank as you might have wanted or believed.
State-paid Imams are common in the Muslim world. It's a side-effect of a theocracy. Communism is a religion - godlessness does not preclude it from being defined as such. You should let that sink in.
As far as the business about women driving cars as a justification for jihad, there are essentially three things Muslims are guided by: The Qur'an, The Actions and Sayings of the Prophet Mohammed (aka Sunnah) and (gasp) Sharia. To my knowledge, there were no cars around in Mohammed's lifetime, so it is unlikely there would be any direct references or actions on his part regarding woman and driving cars, I am no Qur'an scholar, but I am reasonably sure there are no references in it to women and driving cars. So, that leaves Sharia, which are essentially man-made interpretations of the Qur'an and the Sunnah for contemporary (relative) problems, which by virtue of them being man-made, makes them fallible.
That you were told that by a Saudi should have been viewed as par for the course, ese.
As far as dhimmitude is concerned, you might want to put a few rational clock ticks into the logistics of large-scale dhimmitude. I feel confident that even the Twelfth Imam can do the math when he gets here.
Of course they hated us long before Bush. We've been interferring over there since long before Bush. Remember the 1953 Iranian coup d'état?
I actually think you are probably right with much of what you've said about their attitudes towards us, but that hatred has been stoked by our own actions in the Middle East. Blowback indeed. We need to mind our own business.
Uh Oh,
Better run...
I hear the sirens of the PC Police closing in.
Muslims are always justified no matter what heinous shit they do. Rule #1.
Only nominally described 'Christian' nations can do evil. Rule #2.
You broke both of them.
May Allah have mercy...but run anyway.
Rule #3: Never criticize Jews for anything.
There. Fixed it for ya.
Common sense rule of the innerwebz: dumbfucks who mis-format a six sentence post don't deserve keyboard privileges.
The crusades never ended but have simply lain dormant for centuries. You will have no peaceful coexistence with a belief system that states you must be converted or killed if you do no share those beliefs. Unfortunately for America at this given point in time, emotionally immature children hold the reins of power.
Oh, you mean like the belief that oil must be priced in the USD?
pods
Damn. that may leave a mark.
So, all you bright ZH readers. Do you not think most of this is staged? Like - Problem, Reaction, Solution. The way forward to US starting WWIII (IV, V, does not matter). Interesting that some lady on NPR happen to mention yesterday that the Yemen security services were letting protestors enter through barricades at the US Embassy. Now NPR is definitely a NWO tool, but I think this side comment slipped by the editors. As always, there is an US intelligence angle being played. They are setting-up something big for this fall, I am sure of that! The poor Arabs are just the dupes...along with the poor Americans!
The "solution" is a tad scary.
Wow...not only is Ron Paul right about the economy, he is right about foreign policy.
No matter who wins in November, the rest of us lose.. The real candidate is not on the ticket
Ron Paul's policy is the only policy that would be dumber than the current lunacy, after Wednesday's events.
Yeah. Ron Paul's idea sure is dumb. What we need is more interventionism, more drone strikes, more brutal puppet regimes, more CIA instigations, more war, more debt, more "Patriot Act", more indefinite detention, more Trapwire, more CISPA. That will make us all safer and more free. Right?
FUCK YOU!
Oh, poor little PAULTARD, got his panties in a bunch...
You apparently don't understand jack shit about jihad.
So I'll put this in Fight Club language, and if still don't get it, then you should get the fuck out of here.
The fight ain't over til someone submits, or, ...
As to the rest of your post, come back when you grow up and have some understanding of the nuances of foreign policy, and the sophistication of who you're up against. If you aren't aware of my Libertarian leanings- then you are in your in over head, in addition to just making a fool out of yourself.
That's it? A personal insult?
WE started the fight at least 60 years ago. WE have overthrown legitimate governments all over the ME and replaced them with brutal dictatorships. And for the strongmen who have managed to install themselves, WE gave ( and give) them support in the form of $$ and weapons so long as they did our bidding. Name one fuckin' major party presidential candidate in the last 40 years who has come out and said so, and also said that that shit will end if he is elected. C'mon, name ONE. Can't do it, can ya'? Oh, wait, Ron Paul said it.
This "war on terror" has been nothing but a tool to shred the Constitution, keep the banksters and MIC rollin' in the bucks, and turn the US spy appartus against it's own citizens.
Nuances? Drone strikes on children, US citizens, first responders and funerals is about as nuanced and subtle as a massive heart attack.
Stop drinkin' the kool-aid, it has cyanide in it.
Look kid, you started the personal insults. If you take the heat, get out of the kitchen
The issue in MENA, however, has nothing to do with "who started the fight" this isn't a Fight Club or a childhood playground. Foreign policy (and most others) begins with- What do we want? and How do we get there? and At what cost?
If you want disengagement from jihadists, running away with your tail between your legs after being publically bitch slapped will not work, your simply swapping foreign for domestic collateral damage. Unfortunately, in the case of disengagement to prevent further violence, your perception is utterly irrelevant, whereas your opponent’s perception is key to whether the confrontation continues.
Then there is the (not so) minor problem of US self-sufficiency. Fuck anything strategic like energy sufficiency, or elimination of the trade deficit. The US can't make a single piece of iShit without strategic resources and basic manufacturing skills from overseas. A strong currency does no good, when there are no goods to buy with it, which then breeds the ugliest form of demand-pull inflation. But no one would really have to worry about that- between the bread and circus deprived masses clamoring for some redistribution and the crusading jihadists clamoring for Submission (Islam). Successful disengagement is decade(s)-long process. Anyone claiming different is a politician selling Hope & Change® or some other brand of Snake Oil.
“War on Terror” – perhaps you didn’t get the hint in my previous post (since I have been traveling more than 17 weeks and 1 day), or are you just constructing straw man fallacies to invite sympathies?
Like I implied, intelligent policy change would have been a hell of lot easier last week, but we are where we are.
Egypt, The marriage between the secularists and fundamentalists is on the rocks, but the more strategically critical lovers’ spat right now appears to be between the MB and Salafists. The blind Sheikh angle is interesting, especially since it conveniently ties together the two events of 9/11, but the more important issue here is actually Cui bono? First from the attacks, and second from the US response. Since I don’t particularly care for Israel, I’ll make the question simple, how does the US disengage from Egypt (including cutting off the credit line from the US taxpayers) and keep the Suez Canal open and free?
Libya, the easy one, since there aren’t any geopolitical choke points, the population size suffering from exported ZIRP cancer is significantly smaller, and all you have to worry about (other than the express desire of a certain segment of the population to kill you) is that they keep selling oil to the Europeans- because in case you hadn’t noticed those of us here in Europe are paying $10 per gallon for gas. If Libya cuts Europe off, the US loses in a bidding war, even without Bernankicide QE, but not before US gets a hell of a lot poorer. Libya is easier because the governing coalition is largely secular and US friendly (for that neck of the woods) and the subdivisions (and their militias) are tribal. The problem lies with the makeup and location of the eastern militias. Some of them are largely made up of jihadists returning from Iraq, and they’re the most likely suspects for the attack on the Ambassador. So how does the US extract itself from Libya without turning the oil fields over to the jihadists (which would the terrorist financing capacity of a combined CIA-Bin Laden Group income statement look tiny)?
R.o.W. – The White House & Foggy Bottom FUCKED UP on 9/11, then the came back and REALLY FUCKED UP ON 9/12 with a Monty Python worthy condemnation, the only thing worse than the public performance was the behind the scenes 3 Stooges routine over containment and dropping the ball on Yemen. Have you ever seen a riot from its inception in person? Unlike battles (which have a clear commencement of engagement), riots start as more of a probative and escalating dialogue between the two sides. The instigators start with words, and then when not suppressed they escalate to pushing, and then when not suppressed they escalate to throwing, and then when not suppressed everything sort of goes to hell. What has been going on this week is a world-wide probative and escalating dialogue.
Two conundrums- Egypt and Libya. Come up with a viable plan. If you do, we’ll talk about the Rest of World.
14th rule of disinformation: give me a complete solution or you don't know shit.
I don't have the solution, but what Ron Paul advocates makes a fuck of a lot more sense to me than hedgemony, drone strikes, occupation, manipulation, intimidation, carrots on sticks, puppet dictators and false promises of friendship.
Answer me this: do you like it when someone tries to intimidate, browbeat, or manipulate you into doing what they want? Or does it piss you off and make you want to kick their ass? And if they are too big to whip in a fair fight, would you fight dirty? That's where we are and have been in the MENA for at least 60 years. Perhaps a new strategy is in order.
This has nothing to do with disinformation. I provided all the background you would need to come up with a rational response and plan, and you failed.
I never said that what Ron Paul advocates doesn't sound good, or that the shit that either of two other clowns running for President was any better, much less a viable solution. Ron Paul is selling Hope and Change® Foreign Policy with a different colored label. It will not result in decreased violence against Armerica or Americans, and ironically would create the same senseless destruction of wealth and impoverishment of the masses that he rightfully derides the Fed for creating.
When someone picks a fight with me I fight back. Right now I'm battling the Chinese and their bribery all over west Africa. Fight "fair"- no, but there are consequences to fighting stupid (FCPA from Uncle Sam or a Chink-sponsored hot tub accident). Running home and not playing isn't a viable solution either, so the strategy has to be adapted to the situation. It's a false dilema that the only options are a continuation of a century and a half of foolish US foreign policy, or packing up and deciding not to play.
The US has vast unmatched wealth in terms of resources, capacity, and land, but until it learns to live both within its means and within its borders, the cost of non-engagement is societal collapse, because the very critical resources and capacities that it relies on from overseas are coveted by others, and they have no qualms about plaing "fair".
Getting back to my original point, the cost of packing up and deciding not to play has substantially escalated with the events of this week, and the continued demonstration of an utter lack of foreign policy skill by US leaders.
Here's the deal. The US shits on pretty much every other country on earth in one way or another. Our so called leaders act like they don't have one iota of honor, honesty, integrity or empathy. We stab every ally we have in the back. We try to force our will on every country that has something we (the bankers, oil companies, corporations looking for resources or cheap labor) want. Even when they aren't necessarily against us, but just don't want to play our version of the game (Iran for example). We assasinate their leaders, topple their goverments, and destabilize whole regions of the world just so we can ride and play the heroic sherriff saving the day.
It is tolerated (except by people with pretty much nothing to lose) because of the dollar's reserve currency status, and our massive military. But the balance of power is shifting away, and the economy is on the verge of collapse. The US needs to actually start treating other countries according to the Golden Rule. We cannot keep on doing what we're doing. I have not advocated just calling everybody home (nor has Ron Paul), but we need to stop wacking the whole world over the head with a stick befoe tehy realize just how weak we really are, and turn on us en masse.
Excellent comment... It's also IMHO the reason why american football isn't played anywhere else; with the exception of the canadian version and a few european teams. The whole premise of american football is doing battle on a field to take control of anothers real estate. To better enable one's team to get in to score. Rest of the world don't swing like that. Whatever unleashed this upon the american mindset; ie, getting away from the british rule or clobbering the hell out of the indians once we got here seemed to make it obligatory to continue this path to our hearts content. Playing the game to win is one thing, doing 'anything' to win is america. (I am now ready to receive your red down arrows...)
If you want disengagement from jihadists, running away with your tail between your legs after being publically bitch slapped will not work,
As proven by..uh...the continued Jihad against Britain after their savagery in Palestine...er...
Wait...
Bullshit. Hitler was close to negotiate oil deals with the Arabs before the US Zionist elite decided to go to war or be forever priced out of the oil market. The US was internationally not relevant prior to WW2 and has won WW2 hands down with a massive military buidlup after the enemy was worn out, with 2 nukes and letting the Russians do the bulk of the fighting. Then the US came out on top and started "Pax Americana" which is nothing short of the biggest imperialistic coup of mankind - EVER.
???
You are aware that the Arabs & Ottomans have been signing oil concessions since before the 1st World War (when little Adolf was playing in the trenches)?
Waiting for the Banzai post titled "Blowback Mountain".
KFC's extra Crispy chicken, 1st photo.
Reminds me of:
http://www.newcolonist.com/dim_ages.html
"Sixty Days, Next Year"
Time to worry, when life begins to imitate art.
I'd agree that we don't need the oil out of the middle east for ourselves but the rest of the world sure as hell does. We have been paying a pretty hefty price though to keep those traveling across those seas safe and world commerce afloat with relatively cheap energy. Are we ready to pay double for gasoline? It may come to that ...
That film is a joke btw put together by an Egyptian Coptic Christian. The demonstrations and attacks ocurr on 9-11 is not a coincidence.
you make these people sound like by and large they aren't savages living in the side of mountains but just like us! well you are wrong. their religion dictates they subjugate women and anyone non-muslim and other practices that should only be read about in history books.
It is baffling how you can make a comment that displays such an insane degree of jingoistic ignorance and in the same breath point the finger at anyone else as being "savages".
You are the perfect example of precisely the type of "American" that is so rightly loathed the world over.
Your ignorance is trumped only by your arrogance. A uniquely American duality indeed.
that's odd because i coexist with jooz, muzzies, and xtians alike. if anything the xtians are the worst about imposing their religion on others.
Why shame on you you cultural marxist you
call me goy-heathen-infidel-sinner just don't call me late for happy hour. ;)
Even sat down in a public park in Riyadh during Ramadan and tried to enjoy a nice BLT and a cold beer? And are you a cartoonist?
It's true, even the locals have to leave the country to have a bacon butty and pivo tamno. The oligarchs can do what they like when they like of course, 'piety' is for the little people; some things are the same everywhere you go.
What another dumbass article. It read like a blind man that just shot themselves in Hell and claimed it was an accident. Get out of the kiddy pool, there's pee in it.
But but but they only get violent because they are muslims! (or so the propaganda MSM tells me)
John, this is anti-Muslim.
This post is a backdoor attempt to identify Muslims as a race of barbaric, irresponsible, violent people with whom the West would be unable to do business. All of the factors that the post discounts as the main reason for the Arab protests are actually the real factors.
Obviously, the thrust of the American Empire is a factor as well but if one looks for barbarism, one need only to turn over the rock and fine Sean Hannity and the nationwide neo-con radio network as a major cause of Middle East tensions promoting Israel at the cost of American security and legitimate foreign policy. This is one of the saddest most dangerous aspects of the so-called American media.
Where are the criticisms from the people who wore the “rather biased” T-shirts decrying the liberal media bias now that the neo-con bias not only is perpetuating wars and violence in the Middle East but it is actually helping the stature of none other Barack Obama; with the talk of war raging in this election campaign, Obama’s adversaries look like warmongers.
When you're being accused of anti-Muslim and anti-American bias in the same post, you know you're doing something right.
By the way, I am not discounting any of these reasons. I am pointing out that those reasons cited have developed as a result of a specific set of foreign policy objectives, most of which have been developed to keep middle eastern oil flowing, and to keep it priced in dollars.
Thanks for your response. But these reactions are reactions to our being there and to label them as being barbaric is anti-Muslim.
The U.S. military machine and arms industry and its presence in countries around the world would make the Barbary Coast pirates look like Sunday School teachers.
U.S. forces -- Marines, drones, active military, special ops, and CIA -- are active in some forms in approximately 120 countries. The United States maintains approximately 1000 military installations around the world, some of them larger than an average city. In 2011, US arms sales throughout the world were 78% of the global arms trade, a tripling of the previous year.
The U.S. military fights on all fronts, political and strategic, and in the case of 200 Marines now in Guatemala, in drug wars.
We, the United States Empire, are in these countries and yet a call on a talk show I heard this morning suggests that the old America, the WWI and WWII America, should reappear itself. “We need to stop pussy footing around.” In other words, these 1000 military bases, these carrier groups, these 100s and 100s of drones, these CIA operations, these special ops, that’s not enough!
We are in these peoples' countries; do we need to bomb them more so that they will like us better?
Personally, as a libertarian I do think that religiously inspired violence is barbaric, especially when it is targeted at civilians (as — let's be honest — Islamism often does).
That is not to say there is not a lot of false flag events, and that is not to say that America is any better, and very often America is worse than the Islamists, implementing drone strikes against civilians, Collateral Murder, depleted uranium, etc.
I will say that you asking "do we need to bomb them more so that they will like us better?" sounds like you need to read the article again because I explicitly say we have no business occupying the middle east and we need to get out and let them sort out their own issues.
The premise, “religiously inspired violence,” ignores the geographical aggressiveness of the American Empire. Yes, the followers of Islam despise secular Judaism and the use of Israeli co-opted Christianity to justify astrosity but the American footprint on the world is a boot on the neck of millions and millions of well-meaning, decent people who only want to be left alone to manage their own lives. The fringe elements of all people, including atheists such as Mao and Stalin, resort to atrocious actions, but identifying these actions with the religion of millions and millions of people is, well, barbaric.
America’s founders fought for independence for reasons of freedom, morality, and, yes, religion. They knew that the Declaration of Independence was a declaration of war, and they knew what their plight would be if the Revolution failed. Had they lost, of course, we now would be calling those freedom fighters barbaric terrorists.
Personally, as a Christian, I do think that atheisticallly inspired violence is barbaric.
This is a really thought-provoking point:
America’s founders fought for independence for reasons of freedom, morality, and, yes, religion. They knew that the Declaration of Independence was a declaration of war, and they knew what their plight would be if the Revolution failed. Had they lost, of course, we now would be calling those freedom fighters barbaric terrorists.
On the other hand, at no point did Jefferson, Washington, etc, ever encourage the suicide bombing of London. The character of the war inspired by the US revolutionaries was very different to that of post-Qutb Islamism. And while I try not to be judgmental, I do find Islamic fundamentalist (just as I find Christian and Jewish fundamentalism) to be unpleasant. While I do not wish to dictate to the middle east what kind of government they have, I would be very sad to see a fundamentalist caliphate.
However I do think that it is crucial to note that the root of Islamism's beef with America is America occupying the middle east. So in that much we are in agreement.
You’re talking suicide bombers and we’re talking fire bombing villages and 100s of thousands of people (Iraq), and developing networks of drones to assassinate people in their beds, some “militants,” some attendees at wedding parties, some innocent bystanders...
The point is, war kills people. And destroys property. To label one side barbarous and the other side freedom fighters is one thing, but for our “freedom fighters” to be operating in 120 countries against sovereign countries occupied with people who have not threatened us, well, it is getting very difficult to define this operation as emanating from the “defense” department.
The president of Egypt, like Thomas Jefferson, did not advocate suicide bombings anywhere. But Mitt Romney advocates a nuclear strike on a sovereign country. That’s okay? I’ve got news for you. Jefferson wouldn’t but Romney would. And Obama? Maybe. We'll see.
As for the persecution of the Loyalists in the US revolutionaries, W. Stewart Wallace tells us:
“There were two kinds of persecution to which the Loyalists were subjected--that which was perpetrated by 'lawless mobs,' and that which was carried out 'constitutionally.'
“It was at the hands of the mob that the Loyalists first suffered persecution. Probably the worst of the revolutionary mobs was that which paraded the streets of Boston. In 1765, at the time of the Stamp Act agitation, large crowds in Boston attacked and destroyed the magnificent houses of Andrew Oliver and Thomas Hutchinson. They broke down the doors with broadaxes, destroyed the furniture, stole the money and jewels, scattered the books and papers, and, having drunk the wines in the cellar, proceeded to the dismantling of the roof and walls. The owners of the houses barely escaped with their lives. In 1768 the same mob wantonly attacked the British troops in Boston, and so precipitated what American historians used to term 'the Boston Massacre'; and in 1773 the famous band of 'Boston Indians' threw the tea into Boston harbour.” … and so forth…
http://www.redcoat.me.uk/chronicle.htm#C
That darn Jefferson!
Lots of evidence that the London subway bombings were false flags. See the drills.
at no point did Jefferson, Washington, etc,
Well...Sam Adams was pretty gung-ho, really. Quite a peckerwood, if you know what I mean. I just don't think suicide bombing was a well-known tactic at the time, that's all.
Oh Bull Shit! Having lived and work all across the rtegion from Morocco to Iraq, I know a couple of things: One, a lot of them are just plane bat shit crazy, Two, Islam and Aabs are gripped by a massive inferiority complex. Three,They regard women as property and hold them in such utter contempt as to border on a deranged resentment that they they were even born of them. This deep psycological flaw is wide spread and comes DIRECTLY from the perversion they call a religion.
that's rayciss. economically disadvantaged people are often cruel to women. i can cite other cultures that are/have been this way.
Nice programming... Economically disadvantaged...
Did you get that at school?
Very stylish.
heh, one only need to check out recent "Male Jobs" threads to see how some in civilised amrkn culture feel about "women" - kitchen, babeez, sex - it's all there.
Is that you David P Goldman?
lol, haven't been on ZH in months...same awesomeness. You know who I feel bad for in all this? Hilary Clinton. Boy she's never gonna be able to clean up this mess. Can't wait for the sequel to this stupid 'movie'...I hope it's like "Resident Evil" and they making like 9 of them in IMAX 3D, that will be the end of every Hardees/KFC in the middle east. Yeah these people are nuts, so what's new? Go ahead, make more movies...let's see what happens. microwave is beeping...my popcorn is ready.
How do you "inflame" someone that is "irrational and psychopathic"?
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Watch how it's done the next time somebody gets a crowd chanting "USA USA USA".
Yeah, I think you just have a big college bowl game.
It is likely that the current uprisings will trigger even more U.S. interventionism in the region (indeed it already has as marines have already been dispatched to Yemen) costing billions or even trillions of dollars more money (especially if an invasion of Iran is the ultimate outcome). This in turn is likely to trigger even fiercer resistance to America from the Islamist elements, and so the spiral continues on.
John Titor in January 2001 : Was a lot of the US 18-24 age group killed in the war because of a draft ? JT : Yes.
It's coming.
Yankees need a few pitchers , maybe they can scout a few of these hooligans throwing molotov cocktails
i have never thrown a cocktail in my life, molotov or otherwise!!!
Yesterday I saw analysis (in fact it was from Mark Levine) suggesting these uprisings are the work of but a handful of people, this relative to the overall populations residing in the affected cities. In other words, none of these acts against U.S. diplomatic missions found local participation like that in Greece and Spain over recent months. You begin to wonder, then, whether these brigands are assets deployed by the imperial financial dictatorship of the West for the sake of cultivating "cover" needed to mask truth per the devastating impact of its coordinated hyperinflation about to hit energy markets with a vengeance ultimately venturing consolidation of physical and financial assets more greatly into the imperal financial dictatorship's direct command, all the while by simply playing on resentments that everyone should have understood were only a matter of time before they exploded in some manner or another. Just thinking aloud here...
One thing for sure, the further issuance of trillions of dollars of U.S. Treasury debt prosecuting an expanding war on the Asian continent is exactly what the imperial financial dictatorship desires, as its effect is two-fold: 1). it aids in the fantasy allowing hopelessly insolvent financial institutions to remain afloat while physical and financial assets are consolidated, and 2). it better assures the U.S. Treasury can be made prostrate to the supra-national financial dictatorship whose smaller "test case' currently is being hoisted on Europe.
Petro-dollar [a term banned in MSM]
Israelis in America make a movie to piss off arabs which leads to American support for a war in Iran. Don't expect the media to report the Israeli Dirty Tricks. I think the Libyans will over tbe short term become very agitated with the fact that Obama NATO took out Khadaffi putting their prosperous nation to ruins. I knew H Clinton's famous remark we came we saw he died would create blowback....
Wrong-oh. Not Israeli's after all. Too sad, eh?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9544253/Film-maker-behind-anti-Muslim-video-could-be-sent-back-to-jail.html
Thank you. $250K sounds alot closer to the cost of that pos than $5M that's for sure.
Black Op payback for not seeing Netanyahoo?
is this what all the fuss is about? or is it fanning the flames of hatred for those people living in bomb craters? the article made a key point...every dollar spent on a drone inflicting collateral damage in thr arab world is a dollar not spent on keeping someone in their house in tuscaloosa...the same applies to homeland security which is no less oppressive to young mothers carrying baby formula than the reported treatment of moslem women, or the abuse of the fed in beggaring the entire older generation with zero interest rstes on savings and annuities...if theres a fight, then sure, lets go kick ass....but check the video out..its an insult to the intellect of non-moslems and moslems along the lines of bachelor party II is an insult to intelligent men and sex in the city is an insult to women..all crass and deserving of zero consideration by all intelligent men and women...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmodVun16Q4
I wasn't going to bother with looking up the clip to watch, but your well written post led me to click on it.
less than a minute of watching, couldn't agree more with your "insult to intelligent" comparisons. . .
thank you.
Coptic Christians, too, can be secretively backed by Jews or Americans or both. Creating a false story about a true one is also an intel stamp. Ever hear of the Protocols?
really cool racism in here everyone great job way to go
muhammed utube video = "innocence of muslims"
= TOO FUNNY !!!
of course the LIE-berals can make fun of Christians, but NO ONE can make fun of muslims !!
HYPOCRISY U CAN BELIEVE IN !!!
I think it's ok to make fun of muslims just like anyone else. But they're like Wookies, don't have a sense of humor. Chewy was a secret Muslim doncha know!
"To learn who rules over you, simply learn who you are not allowed to criticize." — (attributed to) Voltaire
Hint: it's not the Muslims...
Indeed and they are the true masters of terror....not the muslims
You talking about the filthy Yids? Jews? The people God loves to enslave, trys to annilate and destroys all their Temples?
Those people.
These rats?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=-2GMS67qv4U&NR=1
And the head kike w/ bibi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHBiT6eJaQQ
Mossad made the film and dubbed it in Arabic. The stupFC burning.
Just look at these madmen and you will see for yourself the enemy of the USA is Israel!
I'm not afraid to speak the name of earths enemy! JEW!
Bin Laden told in an interview about the one and only mission in his life he has/had :
I want to see the US empire going bancrupt.
Yes, he said it. Just check it in the Youtube area. He lost his life, but he won his fight. When Obama and Clinton called the support for the revolutions in North Africa and other countries 1 1/2 and 2 yrs ago, at this time I felt that in the future they will wish not to have called the support in the past. Now here comes the invoice back .... With the old Libya, Egypt and Tunisia you would not have to expect just a reaction like we see it today. Because all in all, all the regimes were "pro US" behind the scenes. Because they made huge business in oil with you guys in US. So from their domestic policies they supported and defended you. And you kicked them out !!?? LOL
I'm a German and not believing in ANY GOD of the world. But this war of faith for something shit is destroying the world at some time ... And Mr. Bernanke just made his present to this shit yesterday. May your currency will fall another 25% till end of 2013. Just take a look on a weekly Dollar Index chart. This will lead into inflation in your area. You were shouting and laughing about Mr. Draghi's step last week. Me too. But since yesterday evening I'm more and more opening my eyes for the upcoming result of Bernanke's step for the Europeans. Yes, I still think the ECB is not doing the right thing. Remember, I'm a German. But may he made a better step then anyone can imagine. If your currency is falling off the cliff down more then 20% (ZeroHedge sounds like this), what is our currency doing? Falling as well regarding our own problems in Europe ? No, we may are rising 20 or more percent up to new alltime highs against the US$. Inflation in Europe ?? Maybe, but not as high as you will pay for ... But who where calling for dangerous steps from the ECB because of printing money and hyper-inflation. Maybe Bernake starts to help us against inflation right now. Remember at the time with oil over 140US$ and the EUR was like 1.60 to the US$. I heart no claims about the high price in of gasoline or something else at this time. We were were and still are discussing "high" oil prices at 100-110US$ with a EUR at 1.20/25 ... It's expansive ... But 150US$ with a EUR at 1.70 is not that expansive ;) ... Right or wrong ?
Maybe you or your "elite" already have your WWIII ... Against China and maybe in the future against Europe as well ... On the trade side. I hope anything like a military WWIII between the "Christs" & the "Muslims" can be avoided. I'm a nonbeliever, so please take me out of this shit. Maybe we Germans should step back in to lead anything and everything again on any perspectives. We warned about anything. Iraq, Libya, Europe, ECB and money printing. We took our submissive part the last 65 years. It's time to come back again ;)
.... Wish you a nice weekend. And don't take anything seriously ;)
PS ... sorry but just one more thing. You guys in US are fucked up by your own ELITE !!!!!!!!
He succeeded. US is going bankrupt.
It is said that the guy who killed Daniel Pearl, when he was sentenced to death, the judge asked him if he had anythign to say, he smiled and said "sell dollars, its going down" or something like that.
i agree. the terrorists won with the Patiot Act and unbridaled spending driven by fear
Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz saw 9/11 as a neo-con wet dream. I always wondered how a 342 page law like the Patriot Act could be written, debated, read, and signed in the five weeks between 9/11 and Bush signing it into law on October 26, 2001. – Washington’s Blog
Continues GW:
The Patriot Act was planned before 9/11. Indeed, former Counter Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke told Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig:
But the terrorists aren't a bunch of rag tag muslims. They are are Western elements.
It's all your fault you Kraut Himey. If you, assholes, would have left Poland alone you would still be sitting pretty on the English Channel. You could have even asked the Poles to give up their Jews and White Russians would have, gladly, obliged.
You just ahd to fucking attack Poland! WTF? You had it all! Even the USA was supporting you until you attacked Poland!
You had your chance and blew it!!!! If you would have left Poland alone Western Europe would be speaking German rigght now.
It seems clearer by the day that this was an orchestrated event including this hapless video (now of murky origins) that no one has seen and may not even really exist (just a trailer).
The proverbial "They" are stirring up the pot - my sense is they are trying to force Obama into a corner he can't get out of. So far they have been successful - he looks inept, sympathetic, and clueless as to what to do next. He won't do anything and this thing will continue to reel out of control.
Obama lost the election this week based on his complete lack of leadership during this mess.
nope. Hereeeeeeeeeze Johnny
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9544253/Film-maker-behind-anti-Muslim-video-could-be-sent-back-to-jail.html
thanks again. that makes more sense. if jooz had made that movie it would have been of higher quality. [/not rayciss]
l
which makes me wonder, who is trying to Carterize Obama, surely not the same old crew?
Carter's problems were self inflicted. Hopefully the current occupant of the office will do the same.
They might benefit from tougher gun laws over there.
the pic with the three women in all black protesting with a sign "Freedam does not allow bla bla bla" those women would not be allowed to protest ANYTHING other than what they are doing now. Ironic they havent a clue what freedom actually is.
Well freedom certainly doesn't mean having to make a choice between Obama and Romney, that's for sure.
This is blowback, but it is channeled. The Sunni are using it to advance their agenda. Iran is doing it to shift attention from domestic failure, and in Malaysia WTF.
Bad as this is Obama has asked for it to come to the homefront, a very stupid short sighted decison, all because he could not stand up to nuttinyahoo.
http://thinkingaboot.blogspot.ca/2011/05/never-consider-blowback.html
I am uncertain it is true that this current chapter of crazy over-reactions is really blow-back. There have been others and we have noted that not all were directly attributable to American mistakes. While many non-muslims surely cringe when they read that Islam is a religion of peace, we have to face the fact that there is a clash of civilzations and religions and it is not going to go away if we point fingers at the USA for their post WW2 oil policy or fingers at the neocons in the State Department or much more accurate accusations at the likes of Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. It is all those things and a clash of cultures and religions. Christianity largely fought these types of wars and it went on and on for centuries and yes, they slaughtered each other all over Europe and then, led by an opportunistic mad dog Pope decided to take their slaughtering machine on the road and head off for the Holy Land.
There are other culture clashes and they too seem to bring out the darkest monsters in our psyche. Think of the Muslim/Hindu/Sikh battles. Think of how the Cambondians slaughtered their own people = a million deaths. Of course there is always going to be battle subtexts, such as plunder for resources and access to shipping lanes. That's not going away and in case anyone forgot, the Chinese and the Russians are just as anxious to make sure that the countries they are deeply invested in - on every imaginable level - stays open for them to take advantage of. There is no country in the world that would benefit from Iran mining the Straights of Hormuz, least of all themselves. Were they to do such a crazy thing, of course the US and UK would not tolerate a minute of it and you'd see the "Gulf of Tonkin" overnight.
It has always been an easy sock puppet for the (former) Arabic nation dictators to focus the maleable attention of their suppressed masses by saying it is all Israel's fault. Decades later and these nations are still governed by the deluded, for the deluded and with the deluded in mind. These same nations figure that 9/11 was really a covert Mossad attack to get the USA to attack the Afghans and Iraqi's. Never mind that it is pure delusion, they still believe it and will go on believing it until such time as their leaders say otherwise. Same thing about growing up in Gaza or Ramallah. If all you've heard all your life is that those Jews stole YOUR land and are going to come and get you in the middle of the night, etc, etc., then you'll have no end of volunteers for suicide brigades. It won't help them long or short term but they don't care.
Blow back is a strong accusation and for me, in the context of this post it just leaves off the hook such nations that foster Jihad and hatred of all things West (read: American). It might take two to tango and maybe two to set off a bomb. At the very least Muslim countries need to introduce a small space where normal reality can creep in. I'm not excusing the negative effects of American foreign policy. That they have supported both Egypt and Israel has been the political choice that kept Russia out of one sphere and maintained a safety net around the country where the Crusaders bones lie. They have a moral imperative to support Israel because they are a Christian nation and having the "infidels" take it over again is not going to happen.
They have a moral imperative to support **Israel** because they are a **Christian** nation and having the "infidels" take it over again is not going to happen.
Er... you might want to run that by the editorial dept. again.
This is not blowback, it is a modern version of the "Two Minutes Hate."
Is it not ironic, if they stop eating American Franchise food the Muslim youth will be healthier and more battle ready than the oversugared and salted Americans. Already the Pentagon has called youth fat a national security concern. Helicopters designed to take a whole platoon can only take five guys.
We need to finish the job of bombing these backward bare handed shit wipers back to the stone age.
I'm not particularly interested in paying for your hobbies. Get a job.
HOW TO WIN FRIENDS AND INFLUENCE PEOPLE: (NOT The Onion)
U.S. drones fly over Benghazi; cause airport to shuthttp://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/14/us-protests-libya-airport-idUS...
...Make mine extra crispy.
No problem. Allah Akbar.
wait - if this is all it takes to incite violence then AQ should start a movie studio
Anything you wanted to know about the Muslim religion you can now see on your TV.
Easily manipulated by opportunists and no consideration for anyone else.
They couldn't possibly be more easily manipulated than you are, Mr. I Believe Everything My TV Tells Me.
UNLEASH THE MEGAPHONIES!!!!
RELEASE THE KEVORKIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dup
reCall.
One criminal produces a movie trailer that inspires other criminals to criminal acts.
It would almost be funny if people weren't getting killed.
Dammit!
There's never a Rothschild around when you need one.
Holy Sheet they got the Colonel!!!! I worship that chicken god!! That's the last freakin' straw! Mother get me my hose and scrub brush stat!!!!
Let the chicken go!!!! Do what you will with the taco bell but don't harm a feather on that chicken's head!!!
I thought the British set the countries up so there would be conflict and they could sell arms to all parties.
the film bit was just the straw which broke the camel's back - the real anger is over american imperialism and its murders for oil.....
Since other "experts" are pulling explanations out of their arses, it seems fair to open up the floor to all who are not constipated. If an "Aziz" can tell us why Westerners are responsible, a Medici can tell you why the Easterners might be shitting their own bed.
It is more than fair to say US policy in the Middle East and Moslem world has not been exactly even handed. It is also true that oil is behind that. Indeed, few would pay any more attention to the ME and Moslem world than they do most of sub Saharan Africa if not for oil. Since the ostensible object of this supposed slight rode into town sixteen centuries ago, however, the region and those who chose to follow that fellow have not exactly distinguished themselves. The part of the world that produced algebra and all sorts of other things went a bit fallow after The One Who Cannot be Represented or Ridiculed showed up with his sword and child brides.
For many centuries the adherents of that new superstition fought both home and away games, but they also fought more than the occasional intramural match, having disagreements over such things as who should have taken up the mantle of the Unrepresented One, or whether the dickless side of society should also be cut free of anything even remotely resembling a dick.
The world developed, for better or worse. Well, that's not quite true, as one part of the world did not join in. They seemed to have come to the opinion that everything that needed to be known was already known, and even that should only be known by those with dicks.
One can argue whether or not material development and technology are a good thing or not, but undeniably it is impressive. It can also be confusing, especially when it provides answers to questions some believed were long ago answered by myth, legend, and the pronouncements of the "infallible". The realization that one's deity is not all he seemed to be was no easier to accept for 16th Century Christians than for what are now 16th Century followers of the Unrepresentable One.
That your chosen deity may have lied to you is not easy to accept. That others have ignored what you swear to---well, you know who you swore to---is TRUE, and gone ahead and created things that make any of the supposed "miracles" your deity or his mouthpiece performed appear as mere parlor tricks, hits at the collective ego.
That difference in cultural performance, at least in terms of harnessing knowledge and taking a bit of control over the Universe, has never been more apparent than it is today. It is no coincidence that this current mayhem had its genesis in something as developmentally alien to that enraged world as YouTube.
Yes, there is great anger over the manner in which the West has dealt with that part of the world whose hero cannot be seen nor heard, but part and parcel of that anger is the fact that the technological power the West can bring to bear is so far above anything home grown that it slaps them in the face and tells them maybe their guy is not quite The Man they had been led to believe.
For the time being there is rage aimed at outsiders, who admittedly might have come a little too inside on more than a handful of occasions, but that rage exists even when the West doesn't provide the excuse for the madness of crowds. Consider Algeria, where differences of opinion over how much the dickless side of humanity should be allowed to impact society led to hundreds of thousands of deaths in purely intramural activities in the latter part of the 20th Century. Nobody did a thing about it, and there was no collective outrage in the streets of Cairo or Sana'a or Tunis or Khartoum or Jakarta or anywhere in the part of the world following the Unseeable One.
When it isn't some B-grade film or Scandinavian cartoon or Dutch film maker or locally-grown apostate causing outrage, they find plenty of reasons to slaughter each other over party affiliation and who "really" took up the mantle of the Invisible One.
Read The Kite Runner. Read A God Who Hates. Read anything by Niall Ferguson's new wife.
And screw the political correctness. Call a spade a spade. Yes, Western policy toward those societies is a part of it, and the US in particular has run a ham-fisted and brutal policy toward that world, but the resentment over Western differences and grossly unequal technological and informational achievement would be there no matter what. What the fuck did the Danes ever do to them? Also, if it is wrong for Westerners to interfere in their world, then they cannot interfere in the West by demanding adherence to behaviors and beliefs they champion.
When The One and Only Truth might not be so true after all, resentment arises simply because there exist shining and undeniable examples that The Truth is wrong. When all the physical appearances scream that somebody may not be akbar after all, and merely, perhaps, simply kabir, it shatters everything one thought of the world and existence. Such confusion and a (denied) sense of betrayal lead to outrage.
The US could leave the ME tomorrow, and nuke Israel on the way out as a parting gift, and it would change NOTHING. ZIP. Nada. Ziffir. A five year old kindergarten student in Keokuk, Iowa could draw with crayon a depiction of the Undepictionable One, and if it made its way to YouTube or Twitter, KFCs would be set ablaze.
There is a barely pubescent Christian girl, mentally challenged, indicted in Pakistan for supposedly defaming the Indefamable One. A large segment of the population wants her stoned to death, just as they wanted a Christian fruit picker stoned to death a year ago because other fruit pickers claim she dissed the Undissable One. The head of Pakistani Punjab suggested people were going overboard and should calm down. His own guard slaughtered him. Crowds took to the street to rejoice his assassination.
It is not as simple as Aziz would have you believe. Self hatred or even earned guilt are all well and good, but they should not be allowed to get in the way of the truth. This is as much Galileo against the Church as it is anybody's foreign policy. Nothing is going to make it go away. Nothing. There is no Ecumenical Council to address the differences. The gap is too wide. Two worlds are on a collision course, not over policy, but over "Truth".
Well done. I miss Christopher Hitchens.
Kite Runner a must see.
You use way too many words and paragraphs to show your ignorance.
The part of the world that produced algebra and all sorts of other things went a bit fallow after The One Who Cannot be Represented or Ridiculed showed up with his sword and child brides.
Let's assume for a moment you've got this all correct.
Check it out: the HUGE advances made here in the USA which demonstrate our "superiority" have all taken place in the past 100 years.
From a historical perspective, a hundred years is NOTHING. Four generations at most. If the savages are really running a bit behind schedule, they don't have far to go to catch up.
In fact, if someone who shares your views has come to that same realization, you can imagine the case for trying to make sure those dirty Muslims can't proceed down the same path to "modernity."
Once you've made it to the land of milk and honey, be sure to burn all the bridges that lead in.
Here another of their performances:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/did-osama-bin-laden-confess-to-the-9-11-attacks-and-did-he-die-in-2001/
If you read between the lines you truth becomes obvious.
Here is a oldie but goody from the head kike:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=-2GMS67qv4U&NR=1
And the head kike w/ bibi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHBiT6eJaQQ
Mossad, w/ Hollywood, made the most recent Mohammud film and dubbed it in Arabic.
Just look at these madmen and you will see for yourself the enemy of the USA is Israel!
Hello Friend,
I could not help but notice you are a user of the word "kike". I'm sure you know the genesis of the term. In a roundabout way it means zero. You know zero, right? As in Zerohedge. Coincidence? I think not. Beware! Those dastardly Joooooooooos are more clever and devious than you think. Got ISP?
This thread is blowcock.
This looks like the work of U.S. CIA operatives creating this. Also known as jackals and economic hitmen.. As most of these uprisings are.. This is another propoganda tool to get the sheeple riled up and go to war..
Not only is it obvious that these kinds of events were "blowback," more importantly, this is DELIBERATELY INDUCED BLOWBACK.
Although I am not sure that Albert Pike's outline for causing three world wars was not apocryphal, I still believe that it was the real plan behind world affairs.
There is no doubt that the events of 9/11/2001 were an inside job, false flag attacked blamed on Muslims. The people who actually did that got away with it, and are still controlling things from behind the scenes. They are deliberately preparing to create conditions for another world war. (Their preparations for martial law domestically are another facet of that overall plan.)
The deeper reasons are demographic. The elites need excuses to cause genocidal world wars, and democidal martial law. They are deliberately manufacturing those conditions. Every step along the way, things appear to be working out the way that they want.
Thus, obviously, superficially, these events are blowback, however, it is more important that this blowback is intended to drive the social polarization necessary to justify another world war, which will kill billions of people.
Unless you have access to a multi-trillion dollar underground bunker, where you could live for a Century or so after that war, then you are probably not going to survive it ... All of your gold, and other hard assets, etc., will be dust in the wind.
Unless there are some prodigious series of miracles outside of the material history that I am aware of (which I do not believe in, although I wished that I could) then very, very few people are going to survive this coming world war, which is being deliberately driven by the people who did 9/11, and got away with that, and many other false flag attacks, and assassinations, etc.!
As I said, there are much deeper demographic reasons for this! The world's population continues to be doubling. That is absolutely impossible to continue. The solutions to that problem being implemented by the elites are mass murder, on an astronomical scale never before seen in human history. The only solutions that could work instead MUST be something else better, i.e., radically different systemic death controls, that stopped the exponential growth in better ways. Given that that would be another series of prodigious political miracles, to have any better death controls limit the impossible growth, overshooting to catastrophic collapse, there IS instead the default to the deliberate plan, that is well advanced, to cause a world war, which will become the excuse to murder billions of people.
I WISH I did not believe that, especially since I expect to be one of those killed, however, that is only way that I can put all the pieces of the puzzle together that I am aware of ...
So, OF COURSE, this is blowback! It is another little step that expected to drive a vicious spiral, which will eventually enable starting world war. It does not matter that that is obviously INSANE! Clearly, events like 9/11 were deliberate mass murders intended to enable more mass murders in the future. 9/11 was a false flag attack deliberately blamed on the people who most likely will become the main victims of those future mass murders. Given the almost absolute impossibility of actually doing anything better, which necessarily would have to be radically different systems of death controls, there is apparently nothing else that can stop that from eventually happening.
Each little event, like this one, is one more step on that path, which has been deliberately designed to achieve the goal of starting genocidal world wars and democidal martial law. ... So far, I am not aware of anyone anywhere that has a better plan to deal with the basic demographic and economic problems of endless exponential growth. The only real solutions would have to be negotiations between the different organized crime gangs dominating the world, to implement better overall systems of limits to our human ecology. Unfortunately, that is day dreaming, which is almost automatically a non-starter, while the continuation of the already well-established plan to start world war looks as easy as continuing to roll off a log.
As usual, Rad Reefer is right on! +1 for the Pike mention and skillful assessment of it.
Beware of Medici who threatens to report 911 truthers to authorities.