From the Daily Mail:
An Oregon University professor has controversially compared skepticism of global warming to racism.
Sociology and environmental studies professor Kari Norgaard wrote a paper criticising non-believers, suggesting that doubters have a ‘sickness’.
The professor, who holds a B.S. in biology and a master’s and PhD in sociology, argued that ‘cultural resistance’ to accepting humans as being responsible for climate change ‘must be recognised and treated’ as an aberrant sociological behaviour.
Really? Doubters have an illness? Isn’t pathologising dissidents a hallmark of authoritarianism? Weren’t dissidents under the Soviet Union often sent to psychiatric hospitals to be “treated” for their behaviour? Hasn’t Norgaard read Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago?
And really “doubters” could mean a lot of things. Does it solely mean those who believe climate change is not happening? What about climate agnostics? Does it mean those who believe that climate change is happening but that it is not man-made? Does it mean those who believe that it is happening, but who disagree with Norgaard’s proposed solutions?:
Norgaard last week attended the annual four-day ‘Planet Under Pressure’ international conference in London, where she presented her controversial paper to delegates on Wednesday.
The scientists behind the event recently put out a statement calling for humans to be packed into denser cities so that the rest of the planet can be surrendered to mother nature.
And fellow attendee Yale University professor Karen Seto told MSNBC: ‘We certainly don’t want them (humans) strolling about the entire countryside. We want them to save land for nature by living closely [together].’
And does it include those (including me) who believe that man-made climate change is happening — and has been happening for thousands of years — but that it seems to broadly be a good thing?
From the BBC:
Human emissions of carbon dioxide will defer the next Ice Age, say scientists.
The last Ice Age ended about 11,500 years ago, and when the next one should begin has not been entirely clear.
Researchers used data on the Earth’s orbit and other things to find the historical warm interglacial period that looks most like the current one.
In the journal Nature Geoscience, they write that the next Ice Age would begin within 1,500 years – but emissions have been so high that it will not.
Certainly, if human emissions keep the Earth warmer than the pre-human cycle (i.e. widespread cyclical glaciation), that would appear to be a good thing in the long run for human civilisation.
And what about my position that a ultra-complex (and arguably stochastic) system like the climate is not meaningfully modellable, and therefore that climate certainty is impossible? While it seems to make sense that higher levels of atmospheric CO2 will produce higher temperatures, and while there are a myriad of simplified models out there that seem to suggest the same thing, there is no substitute for long-term empirical evidence, of which we have very little. In a system as complex as the Earth’s climate, there could be a whole swathe of effects that we have not yet identified that could drastically change the outcome (for better, or for worse). For Norgaard, does an understanding of the limitations of probabilistic modelling constitute a mental illness? Should I be committed to treatment to “cure” me of my beliefs?
Because that is what Norgaard’s words lead me to believe. And that sounds worryingly like Neo-Stalinism.



most here will tell you it is, but it's hard to get your brain washed when you're paying close attention, best of luck there. . .
(and truth can be a moving line, even when proven, but you'll no doubt find that out for yourself, as it should be)
I guess we have to add "non climate change peeps" to the Terriost list along with the people that think the us went broke when they went off the gold standard..
@Piranhanoia So what do suggest we do about it? What if the entire planet implodes in 10 years from it, you wan't people to be "liquidated" to stop it? Herded into camps? Have their property taken from them? Have their rights taken from them? By whom? YOU! Who gets to stay and who has to go? Who gets to burn feul and who not, Al Gore seems to be leaving adecent sized carbon trail from the last reports. So fucking what if the planet is dying, the question as what's reasonable to do about it. My goal is NOT for our our species to survive, it's me and my people to live under Constituional Liberty. Walk or ride a bike, I love both, but don't try to tell me what to do, where to live and anything else while you suck from the taxpayer tit to "organize" the rest of us.
I don't think her comments were directed at people like you. But you have to admit there are a lot of right wingers who say they don't believe in man-made global warming because they heard someone say it wasn't true on Fox News, or that it sounds too much like evolution.
I simply take the word of AGW proponents at face value when they say they are lying about the climate in order to effect social change.
She's a fucking nut job. Kari Nutjob. A useful idiot for the British Green Fascism that the British Monarchy created. Someone look for a depressed sword mark on her shoulders.
I recently saw a great little article of propaganda that suggest that CO2 emissions ended the ice age. They claimed....get this...that temperatures rose along with CO2 emissions at the end of the Ice age.
How about the captain obvious moment? When ice ages end...you get warming...you get more plants...which give off CO2.
Statistical models are nothings, they're inanimate number games, where it's the idiots that misuse them by believing the output reveals anything real.
Kari Nutjob, as a guess, seems to me, besides her entirely worthless degrees, to be feeling the pressure of a lifes long work that hasn't amounted to squat. She wants to see action before she dies. So to satisfy her idiocy and her timeline, she advocates tyrannical behavior.
Guess she supports the proposed U.N. World Environmental Organization. Yes the WTO of Environment. Just like WTO, but even bigger and more powerful.
John Holdren is just as crazy, he's just more polished so he doesn't look like Paula Poundstone on a crack binge with a forum to spew lunacy.
There are other articles out there that talk about how much of her idiocy has been removed, reportedly by the school's administration (or they're orders...whatever)...yet they forgot about Google cache...dumbasses.
Though there is one thing they forgot, when they hired her to be a duck, I'm pretty sure they didn't want her to quack. Whoops.
Glass-Steagall
I was under the impression that plants absorb CO2 and emit oxygen.
Kari Norgaard delivered her lecture in London. Couldn't she have telecommuted? Did she have to burn all that fuel to deliver her sermon in Europe? Where's her sense of environmentalism? Is she a racist?
Exactly! Such hypocritical bullshit is the norm. She flies to a conference, wearing glasses made of petro chemicals. Likely drives a car to work, wears shoes made of chemicals, sits in her hydro electrically heated office, using an Apple computer..... These dipshits need to be stripped of everything and sent out into the woods to live. Then they can see what nature is like!
Bravo!
I imagine that they'll especially enjoy their "Ned Beatty" moment. Queue the banjo...
WRONG WRONG WRONG
Given her education, This female has little defense for what appears stupid. However, that would apply to many Left wingers, Pelosi being one of the worst.
But, the lady did not make a pre-birth request to not be a stunning beauty. She CANT help what she looks like.
You can kick her for her views, but you display some vile character flaws by having a good laugh because of her looks.
You bring shame to one of the Important websites of this/all time. You place ammunition into the hands of Tyranny to make cannon fodder us all.
I agree with you about "the looks". Let's focus on substance.
Not everybody is Estella Warren.
... eyeballz saved...
good sir,
THANK YOU
These people don't understand reasoned argument ,, she says we're stupid , I say she's ugly ,, it's all she can understand.
I up voted you, but you'll have to begin to accept that most who post here aren't noted for their deep thoughts, and occasionally throwing them a bone for page hits is part of the show, sadly.
I agree with you to a point. However, I have seen a strong correlation between the likelihood of a female being an enviro-feminist-Stalinist type and physical appearance. This is not to say that a woman who was not blessed with stunning good looks will be one, but it has not escaped my notice that most of the control freak types are not likely to be considered attractive.
On the male side, they tend to be physically and psychologically weak beta types and similarly challenged. Its basically the kids who had a tough time on the playground all grown up and seeking revenge.
"However, I have seen a strong correlation between the likelihood of a female being an enviro-feminist-Stalinist type and physical appearance."
You know, I've seen a correlation that ugly obese men are the first ones to hurl insults about the appearance of women and state that they wouldn't {insert verb of choice} them. Coincidentally those ugly obese men all lurk in basements with one window open with ZH and four others with donkey and homesexual porn.
Not that I'm making a sweeping statement.
You go around observing people in their basements and look at what they have on the internet?
Completely bizarre, but somehow I dont find it surprising. I was commenting on what I noticed while in college and later life. Perhaps you have seen a correlation between homosexual obese males and insulting comments on female appearace, its certainly possible.
You should find a better hobby then peeking into peoples basements though, its a bit demented.
"But, the lady did not make a pre-birth request to not be a stunning beauty. She CANT help what she looks like. "
You lie on many levels.
First of all, spiritually speaking, she incarnated
looking like that because that was what she conceived
herself as, second, she could take pains to alter
her appearance but this appearance is her comfortable
homely professor schtick. The teeth are just a natural
bonus for her, and her artful lifting of the lip
in a semi snarl ala Billy Idol is just more of the
subconscious perfection of her caricature and the
communication to you that for her mother nature
is a cheap whore like herself, her true nature is
to fuck and reproduce endlessly for the love of
forms, as it is for all women, but to inform
you of her deepest sadistic intentions to rip
your ballsack off with her teeth. She couldn't give
a flying fuck about the environment.
Her highest feminine ideal is Lilith, a demon.
Btw, who appointed you judge of others that
you should say I am flawed for laughing
at her appearance? She's a work of art
made for my amusement. You really are quite
the fucking disgusting blob of pure primate
hubris devoid of creativity.
What? a face like that IS sterilization...
/got the dry heaves now.
I'm surprised they're showing this face transplant patient before she learned how to cover her teeth with her lips.
All jokes aside, read "State of Fear", Michael Crichton's last book before he died.
If I ever read a novel again, that's at the top of my list. I was a big Crichton fan as a kid.
One of the worst novels ever written. And that's before you get to the nonsensical anti-science propaganda. The book must have been ghosted by EXXON Mobil.
It's a good airplane book, certainly not his best. But the point he makes that militants, zealots, cannot be scientists and are inherently unscientific, is a good one. I did not read any anti-science propaganda in there, more of a defense of science.
Nature, (all life) is guided and controlled by instinct, Humans are part of nature, ergo, human behavior is instinctual, our instincts are "programmed" to urge us to conquer and consume, the first person who used a split rock to clean a hide or crush his neighbor's skull began the technicological era, the first human who gained mastery of fire was the true Father of the Atomic Bomb, and was, in his own mind, 'the place where all humans live' the most powerful man on Earth, the Fire God did his bidding, to what more could man possibly aspire?
The lessons of technology have been absorbed and built upon until now we have a truly supendeous consuming machine, relative to the size of our Planet which does circumscribe the limits of our consumption, that we, as a species, consume for consumptions sake is truly noteable in those NASA night time fly overs where all around the World Cities look like giant fires from space.
Can we stop this? can Nature change it's nature?
If the climate is changing, it will, if it isn't it will not, we can do nothing either way!
Que George Carlin
No worries, for the classified "sickness" crowd, there are provisions in the Obama Health care bill to cure you of all your ills. It's listed under the DHS clauses. We will be profiled and treated.
Agenda 21 adhearance for a more enviromentally conscience civilization. All fixed! Guns will be classified as a health hazzard also, almost forgot to mention that.
"The scientists behind the event recently put out a statement calling for humans to be packed into denser cities so that the rest of the planet can be surrendered to mother nature."
Yep, definitely fits the Agenda 21 story.
These are some scary (just about fits the bill for a religion so it could even be 'religious') extremists that they would go to the length of sticking people in an AGW re-education camp (read Gulag) for even daring to question their beliefs and interpretations of the (in some cases doctored) scientific data currently on hand (much too short a sample in the earths lifetime for the science to be 'settled' as the Australian PM put it).
If I should disappear the non belief in AGW may be one reason for it (if not death from the misfortune of recalling the above image, though I still thank ZH for it as that shall make a great reference of what I call ugly should a womans self-esteem about their body image need to be restored). =/
I thought you folks here at ZH were on the ball. I was wrong. AGW deniers are just what the professor said: nuts. "I try to tell it like it is and keep away from cranks." You just lost a reader. Bye.
Don't let the door hit cha where the good Lord split cha! Global warming is a hoax.
Why do you think there are iceburgs in the background of the "Washington's crossing of the Delaware" picture? because they were just leaving a mini ice age at that point. And why would we have to pay carbon and green house taxes for? Profit I say. I believe in climate change as the forces of nature at work, but polutants? only a small percentage.
I am a big fan of Dino fossil fuels, I drive a 2008 H2 and my wife loves her gas guzzling 2011 Yukon. I race a 9.90 at 132 MPH race car with NO Federal emission controls, my life is grand.
Some day, there will be Kelp and bannana powered cars, fight the good fight.
People of ZH are sceptical of everything. Why should the theory of AGW be immune?
Prove to us you have looked at the other side.
Spend 4 hours watching Lord Mockton videos on YouTube.
Check out this: http://www.oxfam.org/en/grow/issues/land-grabs
It took me 10 years to look at the 911 issue, maybe it is time you grow up too.
It took me only 45 minutes of watching Monkton to determine he's a fraud.
I guess if you got the videos in the wrong order it would take 4 hours.
Do you not think that my Father can raise up
millions of readers in your place if I so asked it?
And indeed I do. I hope ZH has a lot of fucking
servers and bandwidth.
I keep thinking of that guy in the Goonies....SLOTH!!!!
HEY YOU GUYYYYYS!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWr30uoSCrw
I believe in Global Warming and you had better get saved...2Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Your passage does not refer to manmade carbon nor any warnings to pay Al Gore & Buddies or else. There are huge land grabs and tax grabs going on by these crooks. These people want a return to feudalism and no, you are not on the winning team.
http://www.oxfam.org/en/grow/issues/land-grabs
DitsyDawn, Jesus is the winning team.
I'm sure you've been told this before , probably
several times, since this is that time that
was spoken of, that the gospel would be preached
to all ends of the earth, that there would come
a time when a version of man would arise
thinking himself above God , that men would
be forced to take a 'mark' or 'chagras' ,
meaning 'inlay' or 'tattoo' in order to
buy and to sell...
Wake up ditsy dawn...the trumpets are about
to blow (those weird sky noises aren't the trumpets...
they're just test runs for the trumpets..
when the trumpets blow they'll be a LOT louder
than that. I pwomise.)
Jesus of Nazereth. Either your with Him or you're
against Him.
He said it first, btw.
That sounds like Fuk o shima to me.
She should license her image for one of those beer goggles t-shirts, hahaha. Might take a few kegs to morph that into a kardashian or something.
You would die from alcohol poisoning before achieving that!
The bewitching Dr. Norgaard, who no doubt has plenty of time by herself on weekends to ponder such things, no doubt asked herself - "In a world full of people spouting off on all sides of this issue what can I say that will attract the maximum of attention to my lonely existence so that I will at least be invited to the occasional meeting of the "Those Who Don't Believe In Bathing" society"?
for some reason I can't give you a green arrow! Funniest thing on this thread though!
12 monkeys....just googled it
Radiation, yes indeed! You hear the most outrageous lies about it. Half-baked goggle-boxed do-gooders telling everybody it's bad for you. Pernicious nonsense! Everybody could stand a hundred chest X-rays a year. They ought to have 'em too. When they canceled the project it almost did me in. One day my mind was literally a-burst. The next day nothing. Swept away... But I'll show them. I had a lobotomy in the end.
+1984
The eternal wisdom and brilliance of J. Frank Parnell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VKzqAefBVY
The Chilian volcano has emitted more Carbon Dioxide than all human activity since World War II, closer to 70 years.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/07/article-1395070-0C707EDC00000578-721_970x641.jpg
http://blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/chile-volcano-eruption.jpg
http://blog.k2l.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/volcano-1.jpg
http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/4decb2d549e2aee83d0e0000/chile-volcano.jpg
http://lh4.ggpht.com/-6n2qfis2Rws/TexXT8FQzKI/AAAAAAAAN-I/HqJeHxHlaYQ/chile-volcano13%25255B3%25255D.jpg
http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/06/14/113623-chile-volcano-erupts.jpg
Come on, man. Even our cement production releases 5-10 times more co2 than all the volcanic activity on earth in a year. I liked how you posted all those fancy pictures though.
Abby Joseph Cohen, you have met your match! Game on. (yeeeeeeeeeechhhhhhh)
remember the words of Professor Dell'Abate next time ur at airport security; next time ur asked 4 a thumb print when cashing a check; next time u visit google and it serves up local links; next time the clerk says plastic or paper; etc
her side is winning
I have said this before: The notion that "climate change" is man made is the greatest mass delusion since the world was convinced that Mikey from the Life Cereal commercials died, and died from simultaneously ingesting Pop Rocks and Coke.
You're an idiot.
We literally re-shape every body of water, every piece of land & change the entire composition of all the gases everywhere we go to be very high in industrial chemical output that nature can't handle.
The ONLY thing we really do is change the climate, the environment, everywhere we go.
Fuck, yer stupid.
But Howard Roark says it's worthless unless we dig it up blow it up, cut it down and shape it, donchaknow?
Without people who think and act like Howard Roark you'd be connecting to the Internet with a hollow log and a stick.
and that picture of a idiot professor is not doctored by William Bonzai !!!
How in the hell do these people get anyone to take them seriously. The left has long since become insane.
The left and the right have become insane and in their own ways believe the propaganda of the oligarchy. Their monetarism. Their climate change. Their creative destruction. Their....insert whatever dogmatic bullshit sophistry principle that is taught in our school rooms, colleges, television, media et large, etc, etc. It goes far deeper than people think. Even though Ron Paul sees through most of it, even he succumbs to some of it (though at the present time it appears less than any other candidate out there on either side..and by a far margin).
This is a good case of what the outcome of believing the dogma of the 'left' can achieve. A psycho hell bent on tyrannical opression to 'save the earth'. But there are just as many psychos convinced by other bullshit on the other side. Lunatics are everywhere.
Remember though, it's never really been left vs right. It's us vs. them. Fight amongst each other instead of fighting the oligarchy and their feeder/bleeder fund, a monetarist based economy.
Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn warned us so you have no excuse at all. Wake up because they are lethal.
"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."
-- East Anglia email excerpt
Hide the Decline !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMqc7PCJ-nc
Hide The Decline II - The Sequelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrd3HYU80Dk
Imagine There's No Global Warming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbhzivHWeHY
ClimateGate - global warming hoaxhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HXtE87R04w
UN AGENDA 21
http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/
"Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment."
Personally, I think I'd be a bit more concerned (OK, a LOT more concerned) about the collapse of the Number 4 Spent Fuel Pool at Fukushima. A collapse there would make so-called AGW irrelevant.
Ambassador Murata writes to UN Secretary General: “It is no exaggeration to say that the fate of Japan and the whole world depends on No. 4 reactor” — Appeals for independent assessment team
April 6, 2012
http://enenews.com/ambassador-murata-writes-secretary-general-exaggerati...
RE Japan. So, now maybe we know why the man who calls himself "Obama" signed that Take Over Everything in America EO.
That fucking retard makes Abby Joseph Cohen look attractive. Meanwhile, in honor of this "scholar", let me go out and release some carbons.
I released some carbon in my pants.....
Is it in the form of diamonds?
Well I have a BA in Biology from UC and a PhD in religous studies and I think this woman is full of it. The amount of CO2 required to heat the planet is insane. You effectively must increase the total thickness of the atmosphere plus the density. The heat carrying capacity must increase significantly, so that heat loss at night is minimal. If the planet is heating, IF, then the first culprit is the sun. Ever wonder why greenhouses are enclosed, so they can trap heat lost at night. So most of the heat is generated during the day, duh. You do get some heat from the earth and from biological decompostion.
"The heat carrying capacity must increase significantly, so that heat loss at night is minimal. If the planet is heating, IF, then the first culprit is the sun. "
Obviously wrong. The moon & other planets aren't heating up. It's the Earth that has the atmosphere & close proximity (higher wattage per square meter of surface contact with) the sun.
The night-time heat and winter-time heat are vastly increasing every single year. The heat-damage to crops is increasing every year. This is certainly observable evidence around the planet.
The amount of CO2 + methane + water vapor required to boost the heat is NOT "massive" and no thickness of atmosphere change is needed. The H20 vapor will increase on its own from heat rising just a little then that will vastly multiply the infrared deflection. The darker oceans no longer covered by ice as before are also going to heat up as less light is reflected from an already-cool ice surface. Gone.
You obviously don't like evidence.
"Well I have a BA in Biology from UC and a PhD in religous studies"
Another useless waste of time and money, shame you didn't learn how to spell religious while you were there.
Your whole statement tells me you should have studied harder in biology and maybe taken a few more physics classes. Where's your BA in biology from, isn't it a BSc? Was one of your classes 'intelligent design' perchance?
I bet her instructors passed her just so they wouldn't have to look at her.
Let's invite Kari Norgaard to hang here at ZH!
It's a fun way to learn tolerance and patience of different viewpoints than one's own and willingness to have one's perspective challenged.
Karma.
Oh my it is one of the rarest species on the planet:
Homo Sapien - Femina Deformis Multum Enim Fornicationes
"Look at them snappers, will ya!!!!"
Ask her if there are too many people on this planet.
"Ask her if there are too many people on this planet."
Just ask nature, not a person. How many are starving? How many rivers are being drained by industry? How many lands & lakes have we dessicated, left unable to provide food even to the medium-sized animals that may or may not remain in the area?
That's the right approach to get the right answer.
If you believe that you yourself are a pollutant afflicting Planet Earth then why are you sticking around? Or is it just other people who should drop off the face of the Earth?
Starvation has been a problem throughout recorded history. Does that mean that the population of Earth some thousands of years ago was too high? Or does it mean that over time inventive and productive people can improve the status of all mankind through a combination of adapting to the environment and adapting the environment to meet human needs.
Neo-Malthusianism is a dead end. Those who profess it should put up or shut up. Suicide is painless when it's pursued for a righteous cause. Just ask Ti and Do.
Good luck to these self-elected World leaders in rounding up humanity and caging us in cities.
No need to round people up and cage them in cities, Urban growth is happening without any coercion required:
"It [The US] is a very urbanized population, with 82% residing in cities and suburbs as of 2008 (the worldwide urban rate is 50.5%)" Bear in mind that the US is a very large country so it's not as if those people have to crowd into cities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
And Worldwide:
"Half of humanity now lives in cities, and within two decades, nearly 60 per cent of the world’s people will be urban dwellers. Urban growth is most rapid in the developing world, where cities gain an average of 5 million residents every month. "
http://www.unhabitat.org/pmss/listItemDetails.aspx?publicationID=2562
Since the plan is to force everyone to take the mark
of the beast like Prince William, Charles, and Harry,
(William being the Antichrist of course)
Perhaps then TOTAL CHAOS would be one way of
resisting the beast (by this red dragon, wyrm, aka satan, or
the formic power of the feminine abyss accessed
through the Choronzonic forms)
Hence, Christians could in good conscience then support
Anarchy as the only form of organized resistance.
Organized Anarchy.
Laugh, bitch.
WTF! ... Luciferianism is a simple ideology (of rule by the self-appointed "smartest guys in the room" ... in opposition to rule by inbred hereditary priests and monarchs) -- not some intergalactic mumbo-jumbo.
Do you really memorize all those esoteric names that are used to make the adherents feel like they have "special" knowledge? Wow!
Holy sh!t! My pet maggot Lloyd just gagged!
Ya know, these people are going to push it and push it, until finally someone makes a "list" of this entire cabal and their minions.....Not, unlike the lists they keep on everyone else!
She looks like a very nice looking horse if you ask me. Cannot blame her too much for her stance since I'm sure she's trying for make up for the lack of "fairness" she was given at birth. Could she please be included into the Agenda 21 plans of depopulation in order to control the explosion in number of human livestock?
There is no de-population agenda. Those who control the most people & territories across the planet can only do so with massive military (soldiers) and massive slaves (servants to cook & clean, fighters to bet on, whores to fuck & throw away).
De-population ruins that game for a very long time. Too long.
Depopulation goes against the trend to reduce the cost of labour through overseas outsourcing. Depopulation (in the past) through either disease or wars or famine usually led to a marked increase in the standard of living for those remaining (via scarcity of labour)
precisely right. You and I both got junked down on our truthful comments but nary a soul would dare write a word to prove their emotion.
With all due respect, I unemotionally think otherwise. I agree with you but up to a point.
Like everything else (such as the energy issue), it eventually becomes an issue of ROI (return on investment). Yes the ruling class needs plenty of manual labor and even prostitutes to use and abuse. But at some point (perhaps now or soon) human slave population ROI plateaus and probably similar to but not exactly like a peak oil bell curve there is less and less ROI. As we know, our human population has just recently past 7 billion slaves. Guess what? That is a lot more mouths to feed and clothe with less and less natural resources. Do you believe that there is or could be a fresh water shortage at various locations because there are now just so many slaves around? Food shortage? And as the number of slaves increase, they are now also more likely to rebel, demand healthcare and perhaps become less motivated to work as hard while having too many babies. At what point does it make more sense to use technology to mechanize much of this slave labor and thus possibly find that having anymore slaves actually becomes a burden?
Energy shortage to support this growing population? By energy I mean cheap energy. Sure there is still plenty of energy in the world, but again, most of the cheap and easy to get energy is already consumed. Why else are we spending a lot of energy building massive steel rigs to deep sea drill when back in the day most of the cheap oil was just barely below the surface? Perhaps alternative energies? So far, none of the alternatives are easy to extract, separate, transport and refine and thus have far less ROI. Every form of energy which requires some process of heating and transporting to refineries all requires energy and drastically reduces ROI. Black gold as some call it has been the ONLY form of energy so far that has allowed the human population to grow as it has. Prior to the discovery of oil the population has more or less plateau'ed at ~500 billion for a long time because the primary energy source was just the sun. And our population boom probably has everything to do with oil (which is in essence stored sunlight and borrowed energy from the distant past) more than anything else. Because of ROI, we will never ever consume all of the oil on earth because we would stop digging, transporting and refining as soon as it requires as much energy just for the process in order to get it.
What's seems to be more disturbing than there are dumb profs is the fact that she actually got a job on any university and gets paid for spreading her shit.
On the other hand .. maybe one should not wonder.
I'm sure there's a group out there that has a fetish for her
I'm still trying to shake the image of what that shrub may look like! thanks...
Her grill looks like she can eat apples through a picket fence.. Just sayin.
are you sayin' algore has been doin' some gene splicin' ?
If it's a illness, can I get a disability pension if I have a chronic dibilitating form of it?
Sadly I think the powers that be would rather treat you as a rascist and imprison you ;O)
Kill it!... with fire.
no, no, no. with envirozombies, you cut the head off!
Legal abortion came about too late for her.
I heard that chick is playing the role of Jim Carrey's sister in "Dumb and Dumber II"
It isn't science. It is not testable, not until it is too late anyway. Like many things which are not science, It is something else which tries to look like science in order to advance the reputation of it's adherents.
Guess I'm a racist then. Like when the Brazilian kid's mom told him it was ok to pee 1 meter from where my family were enjoying a bbq picnic dinner in a Canadian park last summer. The kids mom said he didn't have to walk 100 meters to the public toilet. She said that's how we do it in Brazil when I said we don't do that in Canada. She screamed at me for being a racist in front of hundreds of people.
I like being a racist. I find I identify better with all the people who were sold out by their politicians to let in non-assimilating immigrants to their culture.
Wow - with a kisser like that, I wouldnt be in the least bit surprised to see her running in next months Kentucky Derby!
Instead of wasting time on commenting on her physical appearance, focus on acting on her call for not allowing free speech/opinion and "treating" global warming skeptics.
Contact OU. Also be aware YouTube took down the video of Alex Jones pointing out her dangerous views. Easy to be an armchair commentator. Time to defend our principals. Don't go back to grazing on your green grass just because the wolves are downing the others. Our time will come. Sound the alarm and act!
Re. Instead of wasting time on commenting on her physical appearance...
Sometimes, my dear, the mug just says it all.
If it looks like a horses ass, its more than likely spewing horsesh!t
Not surprising this came from someone in the world of environMENTAL/academia in Orgeon.
Seems like people from Oregon are....different. Either dirt poor and dumb or just whacked out of their skulls.
Weird state, weird people who live in a world all their own.
You have to respect the Prime Directive! No interference in Oregonian civilization!
Yep, let the meth junkies and potheads battle it out.
They'll destroy each other in the process, then the civilized world can move in and take it over.
The Peoples Republic of Oregon. The California more extreme commies and enviro-nazis emigrate to Oregon. I think they're the only ones that are allowed to immigrate. Most of them are not gorgeous Hollywood types.
Beauty may be only skin deep, but ugly goes all the way to the bone.
Agree with you 100%.
Only California hippies are welcome in Oregon.
That whole state is doing it's best to beat California for the prize of most retarded state in the union.
actually it's the Oregon Petition, signed by over 30,000 concerned scientists, that disproves there is either a "consensus" in science nor the second lie, "the science is settled.. the debate is over" ...both were BS from the get-go, the sloppy frauds never even conducted a survey
the debate never began before these lying toerags tried to shutter the debate.. every media channel on the globe has pumped nothing but biased junk science out for over a decade giving almost no airtime to the other (science based) argument
this is Govt funded crony science... total garbage from tip to toe like everything Govt does
While the prof is worried about the ramifications of global warming decades from now.
Right now, today, in the real world. Portland, Oregon received some of the higest measured fallout from Fukushima in the country.
http://enenews.com/head-researcher-boulder-colorado-hot-spot-fukushima-f...
Fallout in Portland?
It can only be an improvement.
Lets take a look at the issue that US citizenism failed to address before it was past the no return point.
-19 th century land ponzi, there would be always more Indian lands to be transfered.
-Peak oil, there will always be more oil to extract
-The debt crisis, the planet has no boundarie, lets expand into space
Each time, the situation grows more difficult to appreciate.
The land crisis was easy to figure out as the measurements of the whole US of A territory was done. No unknown here.
Oil is a degree higher, oil is not infinite but no one knows how much of.
The Earth, same story but larger scale.
None of these issues are possibly tackled with US citizenism as the contextual framework.
And US citizens want to sell the idea they could tackle a cultural causes in climate change?
For cheap propaganda's sake, US citizens were not able to deviate course when the superficy of the US of A territory was known and there was no unknown. It was plain as plain.
Lets face it, culturally induced climate change is going to be the US citizen economy of the future, how to shift the consequences of it onto other people, how to sell technology to cope with the consequences etc...
You know...it sounds mean...but with her teeth, I'd like to hear her pronounce 'citizenism'.
It couldn't be worse than hearing this bozo say it over and over, in between spitting on the ground and taking drags from his cigarette I assume.
She should be a test model for Viagra.
i couldn't get it up for this batty bitch on a truckload of the stuff
sheesh guys all this verbiage and not one mention of un agenda 21?!? pathetic.
http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/1/archives/07-2011/1.html
http://rense.com/general95/hr501.html
http://www.rense.com/general57/ou.htm
http://www.rense.com/general92/agenda21.htm
Add Freedom 21 and Sovereignty International as good references on the web. These orgs educate and help fight Agenda 21 quite successfully by showing people how to fight it at the local level, where it is being largely implemented.
People should also look up TOM DEWEESE on youtube to learn about A21.
There you have it, straight from the horse's mouth (pun intended). I am glad she did not get a PhD. in Political Science or she would blame climate change on liberals.
Good heavens, what a Snagglepuss! How's that go again? "She's so ugly, the tide won't even take her out."
Please excuse me, but I have an uncontrollable urge to go brush my teeth.
99% of the posts on this article are about this professor's appearance.
If Tyler had not posted her photo, maybe we'd get some actual intelligent comments.
as for me, I don't doubt at all that humankind has an impact on the environment, and that includes the atmosphere.
The DEGREE of human impact on climate is up for debate, but there seems no doubt that there ARE changes, most of them negative, going on in the climate around the world.
ok junk me
Man that is a dorky avatar :*)
thank you.
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there's been a pattern of this lately, sadly.
ZH is most definitely dumbing down. I wonder why? For me the worst thing is that there are so many idiots spouting made up shit and they get lots of upvotes. They seem to never get their opinions elsewhere and just agree with anything they like the sound of regardless of it's veracity. In fact they are behaving more and more like sheep, with scrapie.
most of us have seen it happen elsewhere on the internet - commentary threads devolve to trolls and the lowest common denominator "voices" looking for attention, even negative. . . there are still good newsworthy posts here, and still some great commentary in thread, but yes, when the obvious trolling happens above the line, the comment threads devolve - had there not been a picture added, this thread would no doubt have had less than 100 comments - but it's a "holiday" weekend, so filler it is!
ever since the door was opened to the beck & limbaugh crowd. . . urgh.
Here is an intelligent comment that does not provide discourse of her visage:
Her plan is 100% AGENDA 21. Do you know what that is and how they would want you to exist under Agenda 21?
Do you own private property? Sorry....you will have to give that up. Do you enjoy hiking in the wilderness and discovering new wonders of nature? Sorry....you must stay in your urban cubicle and only travel on state approved mass transportation. Do you have, or plan to have, more than one child? Sorry....you will need to kill the 2nd one, for the earth, you know. Ever heard of the "Wildlands Project"? Go check it out, complete with color coded maps showing where people will be "allowed" to go and live (hint....habitable locations are shown in black...good luck finding them, as they are a miniscule fraction of the total land mass.
Does it warm the cockles of your heart that the UN is hiring private mercenaries, for the sake of the Earth, who are currently busy driving off indigent farmers in Africa and Central/South America from the farmers' own land (gunning them down if they resist) so that the green-priest class can plant tree farms to satisfy the carbon credit scheme?
THAT is Agenda 21, and it will destroy humanity, except for the "priest"/elite class, if it is not stopped.
But hey....it's trendy and cool to be an eco-fascist.
I can't believe someone is giving you down arrows. You speak the total truth. A21 is the real trojan horse and is very well hidden in local government. This is why so many unconstitutional acts are being committed by the current administration and congress.
A21 goes through every single aspect of community, including our churches. Start at the UN website and follow links. It is the scariest thing I've ever seen.
UN has taken over the world and nobody has done a thing to stop it.
And by 'UN' we mean 'Israel'
Remember that.
I note that most of the sophisticated readership here at Zero Hedge are commenting on the physical appearance of the lady in the above photograph. In this particular case I find that the criticisms are indeed accurate. The woman is the ugliest fucking bitch I have ever seen.
Frankly, I believe the photo says everything about the 'professor' and her 'message.'
She's certainly having a good time. You gotta give her that.
And the truly bought in climate skeptics are cult members/brainwashed, not victims of a disease. Just for the record. Of course the ones here at ZH are just lovable cranks. You know.
It's not something you can 'cure'. But it's nice red meat for Good Friday!
This nut is carries the same torch Al private jet Gore spouts: "the debate is over, global warming is settled science". Of course that was before east Anglia debacle where results are fabricated exposing these frauds. Hey did ya hear Al private jet Gore just bought a $9 million mansion on California coast?
Apparently Max Keiser has lauded this "professor's" work and those who deny AGW are, among other things potentially, "AGW holocaust provokers."
It would be interesting to know what others think of Keiser because there's seemingly a really conflicted personality so to speak...
"Everywhere is war - Me say war." - Bob Marley
Wars over morality, common sensibilities, beliefs, ideologies, freedom itself, it's everywhere.
I don't know why they talk about holocaust as to do with denying global warming. According to them, the green fascism way if achieved will be WORSE than the 'holocaust'. Instead of talking about 6 million people, these fascists are talking about 6 BILLION people.
Maybe it's penis envy? Sigmund Fraud-ian slip?
Max is in thrall to Stacey ... and Stacey is a Marxist. 'Nuff said.
Actually, I still harbour a suspicion about the wisdom of stacking PMs (though it's not stopping me), since all the known 'controlled opposition' sites are pumping them. Just sayin'.
This NWO whack-a-mole game is getting out of hand someone close the inter-diimensional portal before more get through.
I wouldn't let this one wash my Bernanke would you?
The woman makes a point. I know more than one "Republican" with a strong science background who is dead set "against" human-caused global warming. There is a belief system that blocks the intellectual capacity with these folks. The same people believe in evolution, gravity, that water is wet, but when it comes to reading the research and understanding that 97% of atmospheric scientists support the existence of human-caused global warming, their thinking meets a "belief block." Get real folks, it is cultural. The comments here support her thesis.
Looking at the posts, this belief block might be extra thick in the vicinity of ZH!
Even if human production of CO2 is the cause of the measured change, what makes you think that we can halt the transformation.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=global-warming-beyond-the-co2
Most of the climate change experts believe that is is un fixable and we need to start looking into dealing with the problems.
If giving money to connected politicians and business leaders could fix problems we wouldn't be staring into a chasm of debt.
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Yes, its not at all possible that they have read up on the topic and concluded that the popular consensus may not be the correct one. Take a look at the history of science, it is littered with the broken remains of edifices all inscribed "This is Truth".
Heck when I was a kid all the great scientific minds agreed that an ice age was going to begin in the early 21st century if we did not start finding ways to trap heat. My sixth grade teacher told us back in '77 that we had to spread some sort of black carbon powder on the poles to absorb heat and shrink the icecaps, there were articles in all the news periodicals and papers repeating this same sage advice.
For your sake I hope you are just too young to know that the eco-apocalypse crowd has been at this for some time and has changed the consensus of what all the smartest people know to be true before.
Lednbrass, hard as it may be to believe, sufi just celebrated its 2nd ZH birthday this past Wednesday
Read my post on page 2, shove the folks up your ass and fuck off.
It's not that we don't understand that carbon emissions
have most probably made some impact on the environment,
it's that we intend to resist their plan to use that
as an excuse to commit mass murder and oppression.
You see these people? I love them all.
I love every last on of you idiots, and I know
He who made thee, so you see, I'd like to see
you be free of 'authoritay' other than that which
is written in your heart.
Every man a law unto himself.
PS Sufi's cannot be sad.
"The professor, who holds a B.S. in biology and a master’s and PhD in sociology.."
a socialist full of BS ...figures
A sociologist is not a socialist. You got 9 upvotes from equally ignorant people. Fucking ignorant sheep.
". . .with scrapie"
*snigger*
Better scrapie than highly metastasizing cervical
lymph and breast cancer.
WOW she is ugly, no wonder the environmentalists are all angry and nazi like... they are so ugly that they want to take over the world to help them cope with their other deficiencies.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/healthy-polar-bear-count-confounds-doomsayers/article2392523/
Here's your Doomsayers...........................suck this you QueePs.