From the Daily Mail:
An Oregon University professor has controversially compared skepticism of global warming to racism.
Sociology and environmental studies professor Kari Norgaard wrote a paper criticising non-believers, suggesting that doubters have a ‘sickness’.
The professor, who holds a B.S. in biology and a master’s and PhD in sociology, argued that ‘cultural resistance’ to accepting humans as being responsible for climate change ‘must be recognised and treated’ as an aberrant sociological behaviour.
Really? Doubters have an illness? Isn’t pathologising dissidents a hallmark of authoritarianism? Weren’t dissidents under the Soviet Union often sent to psychiatric hospitals to be “treated” for their behaviour? Hasn’t Norgaard read Solzhenitsyn’s Gulag Archipelago?
And really “doubters” could mean a lot of things. Does it solely mean those who believe climate change is not happening? What about climate agnostics? Does it mean those who believe that climate change is happening but that it is not man-made? Does it mean those who believe that it is happening, but who disagree with Norgaard’s proposed solutions?:
Norgaard last week attended the annual four-day ‘Planet Under Pressure’ international conference in London, where she presented her controversial paper to delegates on Wednesday.
The scientists behind the event recently put out a statement calling for humans to be packed into denser cities so that the rest of the planet can be surrendered to mother nature.
And fellow attendee Yale University professor Karen Seto told MSNBC: ‘We certainly don’t want them (humans) strolling about the entire countryside. We want them to save land for nature by living closely [together].’
And does it include those (including me) who believe that man-made climate change is happening — and has been happening for thousands of years — but that it seems to broadly be a good thing?
From the BBC:
Human emissions of carbon dioxide will defer the next Ice Age, say scientists.
The last Ice Age ended about 11,500 years ago, and when the next one should begin has not been entirely clear.
Researchers used data on the Earth’s orbit and other things to find the historical warm interglacial period that looks most like the current one.
In the journal Nature Geoscience, they write that the next Ice Age would begin within 1,500 years – but emissions have been so high that it will not.
Certainly, if human emissions keep the Earth warmer than the pre-human cycle (i.e. widespread cyclical glaciation), that would appear to be a good thing in the long run for human civilisation.
And what about my position that a ultra-complex (and arguably stochastic) system like the climate is not meaningfully modellable, and therefore that climate certainty is impossible? While it seems to make sense that higher levels of atmospheric CO2 will produce higher temperatures, and while there are a myriad of simplified models out there that seem to suggest the same thing, there is no substitute for long-term empirical evidence, of which we have very little. In a system as complex as the Earth’s climate, there could be a whole swathe of effects that we have not yet identified that could drastically change the outcome (for better, or for worse). For Norgaard, does an understanding of the limitations of probabilistic modelling constitute a mental illness? Should I be committed to treatment to “cure” me of my beliefs?
Because that is what Norgaard’s words lead me to believe. And that sounds worryingly like Neo-Stalinism.



Well stated. LOL
This all goes back to the "earth charter" in rio back in 1992 and includes sustainable development and agenda 21 where the "technocrats" want us herded into cities. This is being done on the local level. So, you all better get educated on these subjects and put a stop to it, unless you want to be a slave with no ability to create wealth. Everything will be decided for you, including whether you get to live or die.
Brilliant article, not tylers but hers,
"And what about my position that a ultra-complex (and arguably stochastic) system like the climate is not meaningfully modellable, and therefore that climate certainty is impossible? While it seems to make sense that higher levels of atmospheric CO2 will produce higher temperatures, and while there are a myriad of simplified models out there that seem to suggest the same thing, there is no substitute for long-term empirical evidence, of which we have very little."
You can risk your kids lives on that egotistical assumption, I tend to listen to real scientists not armchair wannabe's or corporate shills peddling the company line, this is too wingnutty a topic even for me.
You do know that the rest of the world thinks the earth is round*
*warming due to manmade influences.
We know the Earth is round because that fact is confirmed by observable reality. The BEST data shows no warming in the past thirteen years which is contrary to what the AGW models had predicted. Facts is facts.
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And your PHD is in which branch of the sciences exactly?
You can risk your kids lives on that egotistical assumption, I tend to listen to real scientists not armchair wannabe's or corporate shills peddling the company line, this is too wingnutty a topic even for me.
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No.
US citizens have hijacked humanity since US of A inception.
Global climate change effects will not be distributed evenly accross the world. Some areas will suffer much, while others will go through like a breeze.
Now, not every society is equal when it comes to the capacity of influencing the climate. US citizen societies top the list by far.
Admitting that climate change has cultural causes is self indiction and changes the future deal.
Climate change consequences are going to be a large economical sector in the future.
Taking up responsibility for generating climate changes definitively sours the opportunities.
It determines between charging or being charged.
US citizen societies will sell technologies to cope with the consequences of climate change if they do not admit one of the causes. If they admit, they might have to provide the technologies for compensation.
Climate change effects are expected to be big. Already, it forces human migrations. And US citizens are dealing with this issue the US citizen way: they take a group of endangered people and drop it onto another group of people, which are of course, as far as possible from being US citizens.
Etc...
This US citizen woman denies US citizenism. People are not mentally ill. They are proponents of US citizenism, they are US citizens.
As such, they approach and deal with issues the US citizen way.
Climate change effects will provide US citizen business opportunities in the future. Climate change effects will provide jobs.
If US citizens do not admit they are the major cultural cause behind the climate changes.
US citizen nature is eternal. US citizen wont change. They will deal with this situation the US citizen way. Why expect a change in course, it is beyond any ken.
US citizen nature is eternal.
she's obviously a retard not a phd... phd these days doesn't mean shit...
in conclusion, climate change does happens, but it's sun, solar system and galactic cycle, not ours...
Yeah, yeah, US citizen power is such that tackling natural causes is the aim.
Nobody will live long enough to witness the climax of US citizenism but right now, US citizenism is predicted the potential to ban the murder social construction.
Death has natural causes so why consider the cultural causes to death?
US citizenism, so much potential.
Mama Norgaard
This is just a spin-up, right?
I mean...it's not real. That thing is just a photoshop of someone, right?
And the article, it's just someone pranking us, right?
Right?
Wow ! She's so ugly her mouth ran way from her face.
On a more serious note I re~call 15 years ago reading in the Courier~Post, about a trash~to~team plant they were building in Camden, NJ. Camden,NJ being filled with minorities and no jobs has many activists and several of them decided to attempt to stop the construction of the facility by lobbying the NJDEP claiming that building said plant was considered "environmental racism".
Hell, I would have thought they'd be happy about it and filled out a job application instead.Some people have fucked up priorities.
Hey man love the photo, tho your ass looks real big in them stockings, try fishnets, they hide the stretch marks....
How dare this woman suggest that the earth is more than 6,000 years old, that would be like saying the bible isnt true!
Burn the witch, burn her.....
Sorry, wrong thread.....
Funny most people here on ZH seem to have no problem to admit that the TPTB totally screwed the financial system but are in complete denial when it comes our abiity to screw up our natural environment to the same degree. Ignorance is indeed bliss!
That's because we are not inflicted with the disease of hubris, can do math, and understand that every bit of "evidence" key to that assertion has been either pulled out of someone's ass or simply deliberately fabricated.
If ignorance is bliss, you must be quite happy indeed.
Funny most people here on ZH seem to have no problem to admit that the TPTB manipulate economic data to fit their agenda. But some on ZH belive that TPTB would never lie about science.
"No matter if the science of global warming is all phony...
climate change provides the greatest opportunity to
bring about justice and equality in the world."
- Christine Stewart,
former Canadian Minister of the Environment
Made me laugh.
As if US citizen governments intents were to bring justice and egality in the world.
Really funny.
So US citizen governments should not be trusted but when they state they will fabricate a scientific hoax to bring equality and justice in the world, their words should be taken at face value.
Great.
One practical thing to do with this kind of questions is to evaluate whether or not a conclusion can be accepted.
Can US citizens accept the conclusion they are the main cultural causes behind global climate changes?
The answer is not only no, but it is vital for US citizens to deny they are the causes.
Coping with the consequences of climate change will bring tremendous opportunities to renew the extorting of the weak, farming of the poor US citizen schemes.
LOL, reminded me of this Nacho Libre quote:
“Resistance at individual and societal levels must be recognized and treated before real action can be taken to effectively address threats facing the planet from human-caused contributions to climate change.”
treat (trt)
v. treat·ed, treat·ing, treats v.tr.1. To act or behave in a specified manner toward. 2. To regard and handle in a certain way. Often used with as: treated the matter as a joke. 3. To deal with in writing or speech; discuss: a book that treats all aspects of health care. 4. To deal with or represent artistically in a specified manner or style: treats the subject poetically.
I think we've gone a bit overboard with the BS here..and yea she's nothing to look at, but if that were any criteria for expressing thought, most of us would be in trouble.
Thank you Zerohedge. I needed a laugh like this one.
I guess this is what people do when they don't have either the looks nor the morals to be a successful prostitute
Hey, anyone got a list of "scientists" who attended this conference? The least they deserve are a few letters to their employers, and to the people who fund their employers.
My Thoughts?
1. One of the main arguments from the greens is that we should "save" the planet for our "future generations" of people. Yet, they espouse birth control, abortion and population control. So my immediate thought is; "OK...you want to "save" it - but for whom?
My second thought on that argument is; "Fine...so these future generations can fuck up the planet???"
Every time I bring these points up, I get hate from them - never coherent answers - none that make sense anyway.
2. Using exotic species of animals - such as the spotted Owl, some rare type of fish, salamander, etc. in order to block some project is presuming that that species would do the same for us. I highly doubt that. Species such as those mentioned kill without remorse, in order to eat, live and survive.
Again, I only get hate when I point this out.
3. If the above example is the expert/poster woman for the Greens, then they need to do some serious, serious alterations to her visage. I mean - call in the experts. If she was the spokesperson for Big Oil/Coal Producers, they'd have done a re-vamp the likes of which a Hollywood starlet would be envious of.
Her ugliness detracts from everything she argues. "Proper approach usually means best results". In this case, one shouldn't visually piss on those who they are trying to win over and convince.
You wouldnt understand, knowledge is about substance not style, you should try to aqquire some , it would improve your discourse.
If global warming is man made...
How did the Ice Age end?
Please Tyler, check your sources before publishing.
You look like a little Rush Limbaug soldier now. you are better than him I hpoe
http://www.registerguard.com/web/newslocalnews/27862556-46/norgaard-climate-mann-professor-bloggers.html.csp?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed
use google and you will see for yourself that this issue was completly manufactured.
thanks for putting that link in thread carambar - it certainly gives context to the "opinions" here, when one factors in the Limbaugh-type trollage, the majority of these posts fit right in with his followers (and I use that word intentionally. . . *woof*)
completely manufacted "news" stories, and page hit responses. . . inbreeding at work, sigh.
The statement that "Resistance at individual and societal levels must be recognized and treated before real action can be taken..." is hardly manufactured.
Using the word "treatment" as a method of combating resistance is hardly normal usage of the word. Ive been an almost compulsive reader my entire life, and have never seen or even heard of it being used in that context unless the discussion is medical.
If you cant see a distinctly sinister connotation there- well, inbreeding at work indeed. Please provide a single example of treatment being used to combat resistance, outside of a medicine. When the practice of medicine prescribes treatment, what does that typically mean? Does your doctor recommend a stern talking to for a flu virus?
from the link provided above:
you've kind of made the article's point with your reply to mine - in that "blogger's distorted" words attributed to but never written by or spoken by Norgaard herself.
and Limbaugh, playing his role in the left/right ass cheek choice game, deserves some re-cognition for his "work" - as do his underachiever, non-thinking FLOCK of repeaters (aka dittoheads by the man himself)
and then here, with the Daily Mail quote - the one that used the UofO's words, not Norgaard's - and added the picture for "effect". . . lots of verbiage passed round for lulz, at her expense, which was I believe was carambar's point, alrighty?
now, as per your request, try these word usages on for size:
The Afghani wedding party was treated to a drone attack that killed dozens of women and children.
The prison guard's treatment of the new prisoner was designed to enforce the power of the system over the individual.
"He just treats me like a piece of meat, like I'm not even human" said the woman to her friend. . .
*woof*
If death is man made,
does it not mean that people are immortal?
The US citizen relationship to the environment is somehow really funny as it is a vast dismissal of the environment.
No question they were able to come up with the infinite growth scam. They are the perfect wood for that.
Profit for Planet
another example nosey stupid libtards getting there way only to make things much worse.
http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/newshound/2012/04/hunting-extinct-speci...
Okay, if you had to pick one, this gem, or Debbie Wasserman Schultz? Be honest....
There are a total of 1,995,484 cell tower and antenna facilities in the US ... with 739 towers and 1074 antennas added in the last week. This is obviously a crash program.
These facilities broadcast radio waves, microwaves, and scalar waves.
Now what happens when thousands of chemtrail airplanes dump mega tons of ionizable metal salts and nanoparticles high in the atmosphere? The global air gets more conductive, right? And warmer!
Just put your tinfoil hat on and everything will be fine....
It's all a propaganda war.....anyone who believes this kook (and there will be many) is not going to have their minds changed by facts....they are fanatics in the true National Socialist stance.
She's a product of a perverted ... equality.
Environ Mental Retard of the Month update.
Looks like Dr. Kari has been upstaged by Senator Head Durbin who is blaming the tornado in Dallas on people who dont drive hybrid cars!
If you don't believe me, check for yourself>
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/04/06/durbin_on_spending_to_...
This is what I call a slow roasted Acadamia Nut
We are now faced with problems so severe and dangerous that they must transcend politics and our social institutions if we are to survive. We failed to mitigate the problems we are facing over the past 50 years. Hubbert told us the oil would run short. Environmentalists told us that there would be dire effects on the environment. I remember the back in the 60's, global warming was predicted. The effects of over population and over dependence on the "Green Revolution" were laid out. The dangers inherent in nuclear power were clearly explained. The limits to growth were clearly articulated. All of this ignored. Why?
Because it was inconvenient.
Because people like this author shouted down the predictions. So we lied to ourselves year after year and ignored the danger; we did exactly the opposite of what we should have done. We built a car culture dependent on oil and a consumer culture dependent on mass production and a financial model dependent on ever increasing growth. Now the long emergency is finally upon us; the great suck will go on year after year and the survival of our technological civilization will be in question. We have demonstrated that we have the collective intellegence of yeast. Now, you say the environmentalists are the problem? I say bullshit.
She looks like a graduate of the Eleanor Roosevelt School of Beauty . . .
Eyjafjallajokull dropped more CO2 into the atmosphere than the whole chinesse economy in the 20th century. Face it selfish people, there are some things that are out of our reach.
Her looks are proof enough that she has it all wrong. Only socialist f@cktards manage to look so ugly what again confirms the superiority of our Capitalist model.
In your alternate reality, do you have yourself convinced that you live in a Capitalist System? You don't. Are you under the impression that this piece is designed to have you emote and not think? It is. Is this piece intended to confirm your suspicions about folks who are Academics?
I may share your biases, but they are just that - biases.
Wong site dude, ZH is for people who want their prejudices confirmed.
Thats why they put fuggwits like aziz on the stage.....
Its all a socialist conspiracy from the muslim kenyan, to take their gold!
she's a female Dennis Kneale
This is what I call a slow roasted Acadamia Nut
The left are all sick-especially those who don't know simple physics and simple botany. Of course a self proclaimed expert on climate change like this turd blossom is just another lefty who wants to shift wealth to the third world.
secondly, why on earth would you publish that photo of her? I am going to have nightmares for months. Thanks ZH for ending my sleep!
Don't kid yourselves, folks...
Sure, they're homely...
But, they're right. Cluster Zoning is the way folks will be living. Endlessly converting farm land into sub-divisions is foolish and NOT AN ENTILEMENT GURANTEED TO PROPERTY "OWNERS".
Folk's who feeeeeeeel like they are entitled to their mis-informed opinions are right - when they are alone. Not when put through the scrutiny of conversation with someone informed.
And who is going to try and remove farmers from their land and live to tell the tale?
My next question of course is once rural dwellers have been moved to the ghettos, who grows food for the wonderfully enlightened lazy scum of the cities?
You are right about misinformed opinions that dont hold up to scrutiny. I suspect that youre an urban idiot who relies entirely on poor benighted rural types to feed your sorry carcass and completely lack the physical ability or weapon skill to compel anyone to do anything, much less relocate. That you think a landowner doing as they please with their land is an "entitlement" speaks volumes- you go beyond misinformed and well into full blown batshit crazy Stalinism.
Along with millions of others out in the hinterlands, I look forward to your attempt to remove anyone to your nice little urban lagers, please lead with your own example and be one of the first to tell a farmer or any rural redneck typ e that he has to leave and go live in a box. I would suggest having your own box and 6'X3' patch of ground ready beforehand though, you will need them.
You probably won't see this, but "they" are already doing it.
Haven't you noticed the severe lack of jobs/opportunities in the sticks?
People are VOLUNTARILY moving to the urban centers because they can't feed their families in the sticks anymore.
Soon, it will be farmers and their vendors and that is about it.
Just the way this bitch wants it.
Ain't it beautiful when a grand (decades old) plan comes together?
what part of biology or socialogy degrees makes someone an expert on global warming? Her opinioin carries no significant weight. why is anyone spending time worrying about her opinion.
as an aside, is her mouth photoshopped in that picture. If not, why not?
Classic tactic - grab some social outcast with a doctorate and paint her as the face of a movement you want to discredit.
Except for the rubes who take the bait, the discourse here is of a higher quality than this pathetic offering to discredit the issues which need to be looked at and addressed, that being the way corporations are polluting our environment.
Certainly there are climate and environmental issues...dirty air and water, fierce and frequent tornadoes, flooding, numerous destructive hurricanes, nuclear reactors blown sky high and sun storm emissions, to start.
Let's not let the corporate fukks who are polluting our world paint these issues with the brush of lumping those whose have legitimate concerns into the same pot as extremist academics.
and another good excuse to just round us all up and shoot us
real dictators don't need silly excuses however
Its a face that seems to be begging.
Begging to be struck full force with a heavy blunt object, with a determined follow through.
Its the face of the world to come, if your opinion does not agree with the consensus, you are not a possible innovator, a critical thinker about to forge a new creative path to future prosperity, or raise practical objection to an obviously flawed plan - nope - you are a terrorist.
Orwell wrote of the future "if you wish to envision the futre of mankind picture a boot stomping on a human face forever"
Course, that was Orwells future, and I'm fairly certain
right now he's just about sick of watching that boot
stomp on that face...but he wrote forever and so mote
it be as the hitches say.
Not true, its just that your opinion holds no merit and your analysis is flawed.
Mother Nature bats last and there's no one human or group of humans that can over come the mighty force of nature.
Humans...so egotistical
You're dead wrong.
Humans...hubris.
After so many posts, I would like to add a few observations. My opinion is not humble.
1. It is not how you look, but how you act. She should take some major action about how she looks.
2. Oregon has it's share of fruitcakes and nutjobs. It is still the best state in the country.
3. AGW is just like a religion. People cannot seem to talk about it without forgetting everything they don't know. THE MAIN THING TO REMEMBER ABOUT RELIGION, IS THAT YOU SHOULDN'T TALK ABOUT IT AT ALL. IF YOU BELIEVE IN DOG, THAT IS YOUR BUSINESS.
4. You are going to die soon. Better get on with life quick.
@SilverSavant
Oregon, "it is still the best state in the country"
One word of advice for you, STEP AWAY FROM THE BONG PIPE!
To show my disdain for this cunt, I walked outside and surveyed my property.
I then proceeded to call a tree cutting service.
Come monday, I'm having the 350 year old champion oak cut down for firewood.
Put that in your ugly pipe and smoke it bitch.
You're an idiot.
Perhaps we can eliminate this bitches books so that we have more trees, you know, the real mother nature. We can't be having Environmental BS stolling all over mother natures tree's.
Crap, I guess I'm a racist then...
Below here you will find the people who are no longer sheeple, the people who have broken their conditioning, the people who no longer accept authority from others unleess it is earned, the people who will not be taken for granted and farmed like cattle for elitist landowners.
These people have just been rick rolled by a week old story rehashed by rush limba and given a funny face to laugh it.
Lets face it this thread was a lame effort by tyler to get you to laugh at someone because they look funny, arent you all so fukkin superior to her, cos she looks funny, the only thing lamer than this BS article is the comments you people have made, you're still just fukking sheeple with a different set of toys doing mental masturbation.
Damn, now i need to find a site that isnt full of blowhard eunuchs.
Shame, cos up till about a year ago this site rocked.
US citizen nature is eternal.
Expecting US citizens to display any other different nature than their US citizen eternal nature is preposterous.
US citizens have come to deny the most obvious point. Here, they want to deny the differences between cultural and natural world causes.
That makes a world of quasi certainty and a very predictable future.
Surely you believe in redemption even for merkins, some merkins on this site are decent people even if they are a little......freudian.
The only thing that is eternal is change.
"My name is Ozymandias king of kings, look on my works ye mighty and despair"
Yet another predator, financed and protected by the predators-that-be and predator-class. Give her a parachutte and a pocket-knife, then push her out of the plane over the most remote place in the amazon. Good riddens.
Tyler, I am curious, when citing what someone has said or written, it is for the most part, SOP to include a direct link to the source so that the ZH readers can see (what ever outrageous statement) that was made and see it "in context".... Why haven't you done that here?
ZH prides itself on not being sucked into to believing what the corporate media would like you to believe, hence going straight to the source and allowing you, the reader, to "make up your own mind" as to what was said or implied or intended.....
So why did you drop the ball in this case?
I have not been successful in finding the direct source of the quotes attributed to her.... it is coming across like "hearsay"... In the mean time, all we have is some one said she said these things..... I like to know WHO heard her say these things, where and when (most of these are large conferences with many speakers and some social net workings) and in what context were these comments made . Reading some of the reports on this issue one could say that perhaps she made these comments after a few drinks, in social setting, as a "tongue in cheek" comment..... not enough information to pass judgement here..... with the tabloid style reporting.....
This is the only creditable link I could find
http://mitpress.mit.edu/catalog/item/default.asp?ttype=2&tid=12539
Anyone got any other links?
Anyone else think she looks like the retard maid on Deadwood?
more like neo-hitlerism amiright?
Sick Btch!