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Guest Post: Fake Conservatives As Dangerous To Freedom As Obama
Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt Market
Fake Conservatives As Dangerous To Freedom As Obama
If Americans are looking for anything in the dark clouds of political dust and powdered ash that choke our air and leave us feeling naked against the elements, it is but a simple moment of sincerity. It sounds like an easily attainable thing, and yet, we continue to gasp and clamor. The visible surface of our nation is so devoid of honest connection with our social voice that we have turned to a cynical form of loneliness. We have embraced a life without clarity, and been made wretchedly bitter, desperate for even the faintest taste of truth.
The false two party paradigm that drives America gives us a measure of sustenance. Just enough to keep us from going completely mad, but not enough to end our hunger. As this process continues, however, and the establishment grows bolder, we too become savvy in the ways of the machine. Eventually, the old standards just don’t keep the masses distracted like they used to, and so, the system, not willing to give up power, decides instead to become “like us”, at least outwardly. It steals our vision and our song and goes on parade. It tries to make us believe again…
The campaign of Barack Obama in 2008 was a perfect example of the propaganda pageant, complete with visceral slogans like “Hope” and “Change”. After eight years of the clownish George Bush Jr., when our country spiraled down into a state of disturbed and vicious adolescence, people were looking for a renewal. They were looking for a path away from the edge of the abyss. Instead, they were given a better liar, with a brand new costume. The American Dream has become harder to sustain since…to say the least.
In 2012, what I see is like a lightning bolt in slow motion. I can sense it branching out across the sky towards the ground and tearing through our surroundings, upending everything we know. Both the President and Congress have some of the lowest approval ratings in history. The question of whether anything can be accomplished through government has been answered for most people with a resounding “no”. The citizenry is on the verge of total fury.
I wish I could say that most have abandoned the fleeting hollow satisfaction of choosing the “lesser of two evils”, but that would not be accurate.
Recently, I was invited (by several separate people) to a central event in the state elections of Montana called the “Lincoln-Reagan Dinner”, and promptly tried to avoid it like a rat infested plague ship. I know from experience what these kinds of political elbow rubbing parties can be like, and have been thoroughly unimpressed. Somehow, I ended up there anyway. If your only experience of the Republican Party was to attend such shindigs, you might think the stuffy anal-retentive caricatures we often see of conservatives are well deserved. In stark contrast to a Ron Paul rally, most of the attendees were little younger than 55, and few seemed very animated. Perhaps they were suffering from the same distaste of the whole thing as I was. Luckily, a solid 15% of the crowd were Liberty Movement oriented, which helped me to weather the overall painful proceedings (I also won a door prize; a coupon for a free dinner, mmmm…), but a pair of earplugs and a bottle of whiskey would have been far more comforting.
The party also gave me a momentary window into the future of the state in which I now reside, and even the probable nature of campaigns occurring across the nation. The prospects weren’t very pretty.
If Americans plan to look to the GOP to save them from the jaws of impending disaster, they had better reconsider that foolish notion. Obama may be riding the economic collapse straight at us like a wild Mako shark, but that’s no excuse to delude ourselves with fantasies of a Republican savior. Mitt Romney (a man whose legislative record is little different from Obama’s) is just the tip of the iceberg. At the state level, a much more dire charade is taking place.
A most noticeable trend is the language that fake conservatives (Neo-Cons) have adopted in the past year, switching from die hard statism to sudden “opposition” to Federal encroachment. What happened to the GOP’s love affair with centralized government? Well, the tides of the populace have changed considerably over the past few years, and in 2012, co-option is the name of the game.
While the media goes out of its way to ignore Ron Paul, the elites in the GOP have lately decided its better to sound at least a little bit like the Constitutionalist candidate. Now, the parasites are brandishing rhetoric they wouldn’t have been caught dead uttering not long ago; railing against EPA intrusion on state jurisdiction of natural resources mostly, and the Federal Government in general, but it wasn’t much help. Speech after speech, the candidates were heavy on flag waving placations, light on substance or honor. The general message of the assembly was repeated over and over again; WHOEVER the chosen candidates were after the primaries, conservatives were “duty bound” to supplant Obama and the Democrats at all costs. That is to say, if we do not unify around the selected Republican con-squad, Obama’s reelection would be entirely the fault of the non-conformists. “Anyone but Obama” was the catch phrase of the evening…
Sound familiar? It should. It’s the same kind of campaign the Democrats were running against Bush back in 2004, and it will lead to the same kind of disappointment.
Two political front men in Montana in particular left me so disgusted I could barely digest dinner afterwards. The first, of course, was Neil Livingstone, who as far as I can tell, is the quintessential nightmare candidate from the seventh circle of hell. With ties to the CIA under Air America, Iran Contra (though he denies it), multiple Blackwater-style mercenary firms, a penchant for death squads, and backdoor deals with dictators like Moammar Qaddafi, it’s hard to imagine a worse governor for an anti-Federal pro-Constitutional state like Montana. Though we have been covering this information since Livingstone’s entry into the race, it’s nice to see that other outlets are finally catching on:
http://motherjones.com/politics/2012/03/neil-livingstone-montana-governor
Mother Jones treats Livingstone’s record as a kind of anomaly; an outlandish joke that makes him unelectable. However, I tend to take his presence in Montana a bit more seriously. Money and friends in high places are still viable strategies in our very corrupt electoral process, and Livingstone has both. The fact that the man moved back to Montana barely a year ago just to run for the governor’s position is also disconcerting. His running mate, Ryan Zinke, a former Seal Team 6 member, stated his solution to Montana’s unemployment problems is to build predator drone factories (I’m not joking). And, both have received backing from a local retired two star general by the name of Paul Vallely who wrote a book called “The Myths Of Gitmo: Torture, Abuse Or The Truth”, in which he defends the detainment procedures of the infamous facility and claims that no torture, or at least what he defines as torture, occurs there. Though, this is not half as disturbing as the paper “From PSYOP to MindWar: The Psychology of Victory” which he wrote with legendary military Psyop analyst and creepy occultist Michael Aquino (look this guy up for a lesson in dangerously weird).
Vallely has been posing locally and nationally as a Liberty Movement proponent with his organization “Stand Up America”, just as Livingstone and Zinke have been posing as Constitutional freedom loving traditional conservatives. Anyone who has studied the Cointelpro operations of the 1960’s and 1970’s would probably see a familiar pattern in all of this, but many Montanans I fear may not be quite so aware. Livingstone gets consistent applause for his broken record jokes on the hot button wolf problem here in the Big Sky State. And his speaking style is well trained. Like most political snake oil salesmen, he has the ability to talk a lot without saying much. It may well be that the Constitutionalist movement that is thriving here has garnered special attention, and men like those listed so far are not here by coincidence.
The second politician stealing our oxygen was Rep. Denny Rehberg, a self proclaimed Tea Party Republican who consistently votes for Neo-Con style legislation, including the NDAA. Rehberg washed patriotic during his substance-less speech during the Lincoln-Reagan dinner, wandering off on tangents about his mother and then back to push button topics like Obamacare. The one saving feature of his campaign was his opposition to the bailouts. Unfortunately, when confronted by Stewart Rhodes of Oath Keepers after the event on his support of the NDAA, Rehberg revealed his true colors.
Apparently not recognizing who Rhodes was, he accused the long time veteran of “not supporting the troops” because of his opposition to the bill. When confronted on the specific provisions of the bill which allow for indefinite detainment of any person the executive branch accuses of being an enemy combatant without trial, Rehberg denied that the bill opened doors to such action. This has been the typical response from other fake conservatives who voted for the draconian legislation.
Strangely, representatives of Rehberg have tried to contact Rhodes in the past to show support for a bill to “clarify” the language of the NDAA, but these drafts contained little to nothing to actually nullify the detainment sections. If Rehberg has no remorse over his support for the NDAA, and feels it holds no threat to the American people, why try to draft a state bill to clarify the U.S. citizen issue? According to Rehberg, the only reason was to silence Constitutionalists who had been pointing out his non-conservative, pro-statist behavior. “Clarity”, is not his true concern at all. The irrationality of the defense of the NDAA continues to escalate amongst closet neo-cons. From Alinsky style diversions and accusations, to full-on denial in spite of the evidence, they refuse to admit the nature of the legislation. Why? Because it is indefensible.
I have merely covered some local examples of fake-conservatives I have witnessed first hand, but this is a strategy being used all over the country. The incredible threat these people pose cannot be underestimated (in a follow up article, I will cover some examples of legitimate liberty candidates). With Obama sending America into a death spiral, the obvious and natural reaction by many will be to look to the conservative dynamic to put things right. Sadly, most Americans do not know what real conservatism and limited government looks like anymore. Frankly, any hobgoblin in a suit can claim he is a conservative nowadays, and then implement the same globalist, collectivist policies as the fake liberal before him. As I have said many times in the past, you have to examine the actions of these representatives, not their rhetoric. What they say is meaningless. What they do, and have done in the past, is everything. This election year, we MUST NOT play the old game of the “lesser of two evils”. The fact is, there is no such thing, and there never was.
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The commenter you responded to may not know the definition of the word conservative, but the Republican party has destroyed the definition.
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Bob Herbert, with his self-righteousness on full peacock-like display, calls for "the creation of an independent agency with strong powers of enforcement to protect consumers from exploitation by banks, mortgage companies, auto dealers and other purveyors of credit" ("Derailing Help for Consumers," March 27). The idea that individuals can fend for themselves in competitive markets -- for example, by exercising judgment, or by comparing one lender’s terms to those of other lenders -- is so passe that Mr. Herbert ignores it.
All 'Progressives,' after all, know that ordinary men and women are dumb as dirt and gullible as all get out. So the claim that people who don't boast Ivy League degrees -- or who don't write for a newspaper that prints all the news that it sees fit -- can get on well in life without government-appointed guardian angels to protect them is, to these 'Progressives,' a real howler -- a knee-slapper so utterly ludicrous that, to take it seriously, is to reveal yourself to be downright inhumane and, even worse, likely a Republican.
Sincerely, Donald J. Boudreaux
There is no such thing as an independent agency. There is no such thing as an agency with power that is not corrupt.
Progressives think the way they do because they assume they'll be in charge. They want to rule.
I'll say it again, you can't be nice to them. We need to be more libertarian to get the point across. The republicans are part of the problem too. From John McCain and Sarah Palin to Bill O'Rielly, they will legislate you too. They want laws. They stand against liberty and competition. They are economic ignoramouses. [/quote]
in true newspeak style, words have been co-opted and the meanings reversed, undermined, intentionally, so as to confuse and deflect while the theft(s) continue.
it's important to get the user of a word to define their usage within the context of their beliefs, and stop just bobble-dog head nodding when we hear a word we think we identify with. . .
this is obviously very important in an election year, when the lies come thick 'n' fast, and tempers flare. . .
Perhaps what is needed is an unalterable definition of what 'conservative' means and what 'liberal' means, along with all the other labels we apply without thinking. Why, for instance, is conservativism considered close to fascism or naziism? Why were the hardliners in the Soviet Union labeled 'conservatives'? The difference between those who ruled Nazi Germany and the USSR is that one group was originally National Socialist and the other was International Socialist. Personally, I prefer to make the spectrum start with small, local government (principle of subsidiarity) and end at one-world totalitarianism. No one has come up with appropriate labels.
So stating that 'conservatives always threaten freedom' is misleading at best. You assume all conservatives are of a single mindset, when clearly that is not the case even using the current vague definitions. On the bright side, anyone reading your post will realize how biased and undiscerning you are. Congratulations on being unable to engage in debate without resorting to insults.
Most Ignorati "believe" that the price of gasoline is rising, rather than it's the FRN$ that are FALLING in value. And now you want them to think about the political spectrum? Most do NOT even realize that it's two-dimensional, rather than a straight line (left ----------- right).
You clearly don't understand who or what conservatives are. Conservatives, real conservatives, believe in a small government that serves only one purpose and that is to protect the nation so that we are free to raise our families, be economically free, and practice what ever religion we choose. By protecting the nation I don't mean we should be out stirring up wars and wreaking havock across the globe. Real conservatives understand that it is the private sector that creates wealth and that it is the public sector that plunders it. True conservatives also know that when you have a merger of the private and public sector then we have a fascist state,which is where we are now.
Conservatives are defined by the rejection of new ideas and a belief that a past state of being was superior to the present state of being . The stronger the conservative values, the farther back in time the visualized superior past state of being is.
Taliban are aggressively conservative, as they wish to go back 700 years.
Strict constitutionalists want to go back nearly 250 years.
Libertarians wish to go back 300-400 years.
Progressives are open to new ideas and believe that the optimum state of being is some time in the future.
"Conservatives are defined by the rejection of new ideas and a belief that a past state of being was superior to the present state of being"
Please, I don't know of any conservative who wants to go back to a time when the life expectancy was 45 years old or where we don't have the modern luxuries that progress has brought us. Conservatives respect the past, relish in the present,and look forward to the future. We don't allow people such as yourself to pigeon hole us into a definition laid out by people who have an alternative political agenda.
conservative
Quotations
"I do not know which makes a man more conservative - to know nothing but the present, or nothing but the past" [John Maynard Keynes The End of Laissez-Faire]
"A man who is determined never to move out of the beaten road cannot lose his way" [William Hazlitt The Round Table]
"A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward" [Franklin D. Roosevelt]
"The most radical revolutionary will become a conservative the day after the revolution" [Hannah Arendt]
"Conservative: a statesman who is enamoured of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others" [Ambrose Bierce The Cynic's Word Book]
"I've got money so I'm a Conservative" [Lord Thomson of Fleet]
"I am driven into grudging toleration of the Conservative Party because it is the party of non-politics, of resistance to politics" [Kingsley Amis]
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/conservative
Liberalism, properly understood, is a dynamic, radical force pushing for the liberation of individuals from arbitrary control by others. It advocates private property, limited government, social tolerance and peaceful relations with all. Over the centuries and across the world, there have been voices calling for individual freedom. Contrast liberalism with its nemesis, the conservative force of socialism.
How the Republicons tarred the Decepticratic party with this label, I'll never know, since most contemporary Decepticrats support "Social", and yes, "Progressive", ideas, which seem to always require Federal Govt involvement in our lives. I believe that the Decepticrats CHOSE to use the "Liberal" label to identify what they stand for, even though it has no basis in reality today.
The Republicons are no "Conservatives", either, as they've proven every time they've been in power and expand the Federal Govt, just like the "Social" and "Progressive", Decepticrats.
All of this just points out that the labels they use to identify themselves are meaningless. BOTH parties should be called the "Leviathan Party", if truth be told!
If a conservative doesn't like guns, he doesn't buy one. If a Progressive/Socialist doesn't like guns, he wants all guns outlawed. If a conservative is a vegetarian, he doesn`t eat meat. If a Progressive/Socialist is a vegetarian, he wants all meat products banned for everyone. If a conservative is a non-believer, he doesn't go to church. A Progressive/Socialist non-believer wants any mention of God and religion silenced. (Unless it's a foreign religion, of course!)
Progressives think the optimum state of being is one determined by the state, period. There is no human issue that a progressive doesnt feel can be solved by more laws, government, and coercion.
All determined by them of course, because they mean well and stuff.
if "true conservatives" would extend their desired freedom to others who desire their own freedom, and stop hiding behind "a flag and a cross" then I'd agree with you, but the current "conservative" is anything but.
again, keep religiousity out of governance, then call it whatever you like.
It also seems to have brouhgt ou hte people who arw typing chaleenged.
The first thing to remember when it comes to the usual conservative is freedom is relative. When they blow on endlessly about freedom, they mean their freedom to do whatever they please and everyone else is free to just deal with it and any implications of it.
On another note, anyone seen the movie God Bless America yet? Looks like a good time.
well, didn't need to watch the whole trailer to get the gist. . .
of course, this sort of acting out happens quite frequently, but yeah, no doubt the stats will continue to rise, particularly with Hollywood encouragement. . .
using a young teen girl as his co-criminal, perfect touch for the audience it seeks.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/03/us/03amish.html?_r=1
http://www.kron.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=3684
et cetera.
So what's left for Ron Paul? An independent run (hopefully) or another ride off into the sunset?
I don't think Ron Paul will do that. Even though he is independent minded , he is still a republican. I think he sees Oboma as the greater evil and remebers the effect Perot had on Bush Sr. Having said that I still plan on writing him in.
In my opinion, Perot's effect on Bush Sr. was by design and totally supported by Bush Sr. Bush played his part as well... the well choreographed yawn and look at his watch in the prime time debate, carefully captured and replayed over and over again. The elite needed a D at the helm to do the important work of NAFTA and GATT as well as the Banking Modernization Act, eventually. None of it would have passed under a Republican... it needed the party that would be traditionally opposed to champion the cause the hold the critics at bay. All my opinion, of course.
To be honest I never thought at it from that angle. Now that you point that out it makes a lot of sense.
As soon as you accept the possibility that it's all a charade, the levers that can be pulled become easier to see. Our wars in the middle east become increasingly less popular.... what to do... run and elect an anti-war candidate, quiet the critics as they now have "their man" in office and... DON'T CHANGE a THING... or even expand operations. You don't quiet all of the anti-war crowd, but you do take out a majority.
The Clinton/Perot/Bush election has an amazing similarity to Wilson/Teddy R/Taft election of 1912. Look at the election results... all of the percentages are withing 3-4 points. A relatively popular R incumbent looses to a "vessel" when the vote is split by a 3rd party. Wilson gave us the federal reserve and WWI... a banker paradise.
A good exercise in thought. Thanks. I accepted the fact it's all fake in 2001, and I knew Obama was being ushered in for the next phase, but I haven't looked back at those pivotal moments that you mentioned to put the pieces together.
Another little piece:
Remember when Perot "dropped out" of the race for a while, leaving his supporters hanging?
Then "re-entered" the race, sloughing off a lot of supporters, earning just enough votes to not be a "viable" candidate?
He dropped out due to threats to his family, and never really mentioned why he suddenly came back in. Maybe more threats?
Yeah I remeber that. My original take on that was, he really didn't want to win he just wanted to screw over the Bush family.
If it makes you feel any better, I can tell you that Clinton's presidency was agreed to buy a half-dozen men on a bird hunt in South Dakota more than two years before the election.
I don't think there were ever any threats. I think what happened... he was on the verge of winning... and that WASN'T the point. The point was to elect Clinton. He shed voters to play the role that was always intended.
Another curious point... Perot, who was a fabulous debater (in a folksy sort of way, but effective none-the-less) completely FAILED in his post election debate vs. Al Gore on NAFTA. He looked like a bumbling idiot. By design?
RP might win the race but he would more likely throw the election into the House. Think of the epic fail of the markets if the downgrades and tax increases coincided with a hung election. It might hurry the reset just a tad.
I'm convinced that Bush Sr is the only non stooge elected to be President since 1980. Even in 1984 Reagan had been thoroughly stoogified. In which case, it will be very interesting if Jeb does magically pop up at the convention.
Anywho, Ron Paul's delegate strategy can work but I'm not sure if it will work next round if he runs third party due to how delegates are given out. Many Ron Paul controlled precincts would lose their delegates since people didn't vote Republican in the election.
If by non-stooge you mean he was already a relative insider and therefore not simply an empty suit carrying out the wishes of his handlers, I might agree. But he served the same interests as everyone else. I think the one who slipped through the cracks was JFK. But "they" even thought they had their guy with JFK. The belief being that his father would run the show behind the scenes. Only his father had a stroke and the influence was gone. JFK was a rogue element. I think you pretty much need to go back to Calvin Coolidge prior to JFK. Just my opinion.
Yeap, I meant non-stooge as in one of the handlers and that is why his vile spawn keep popping up afterwards. 1980 was a mishap that was corrected after 69 days. All the others are stooges to the handlers.
We agree. Dick Cheney was kind of a non-stooge for the sake of our conversation. Have you ever read the story about the failed assassination attempt on Carter? Leads me to believe he was also a bit of a mishap... at least not totally controlled. The message was sent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Lee_Harvey - The names "Lee Harvey" and "Osvaldo" (Osvaldo is the Spanish equivalent to "Oswald") drew comparisons to Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassin of President John F. Kennedy. This led conspiracy theorists to claim that the incident was set up to scare Carter into submission.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/One_World_Government/Trilateral_Commis...
as George Carlin says, "it's a big club, and you ain't in it!"
(enjoying your posts here today kridkrid)
fyi
silent cal hung himself in his closet at home in northampton, mass. [jan/1933]
coolidge becomes 30th [1923-29] president after sudden death of w. harding [1921-23]
go figure?
8 years as President of the United States, 2013-2020
Romney is a total phony. Worse, he's a traitor to his own nation.
Mitt says to "ask him anything". Well, I think the 10 questions Mr. Ott asks in this piece linked below REALLY need some answers, and FAST. Mitt Romney is a totally committed vassal of the cynically misnamed "state of Israel". IN FACT, he's even had his own high-level Mossad handler for many years now.
Her name? Orit Gadiesh. Keep the name in mind as we progress. Turns out she's the woman behind the Mutt. Bain Captial? A Mossad beard. Read On.
Obama or Romney? What's your pleasure America, cyanide or arsenic?
http://atrueott.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/ask-mitt-anything-you-betcha/Thanks ARB. I posted that at the top of the thread.
Why thank you BoP. But 2 down votes, it looks like Orit and her mutt Mitt weren't too thrilled by their getting outed on the great Zero Hedge :-)
And a very happy Birthday to you Sir, sorry I missed it yesterday!
McCain, McConnell, Mc etc. come to mind.
Lindsay Graham is another vile character that shoots to the forefront of my mind
On the plus side, if things hold up that long he is toast when he comes up again in '14. I live on his home turf and he currently dwells not far from me, he couldnt get elected dog catcher now. Dead meat in the next primary.
2012. Year of the write in candidate.
One of the parties has an ass as a symbol? Well what do you expect if you vote for them!
"... desperate for even the faintest taste of truth."
~~~
I call BS... Nobody in this country wants the truth... They live in a country that hands out SNAP cards, free "anti-depressants", & 24/7 entertainment on the boob tube (for the moments while they are waiting for the next text message to arrive)... & they're STILL miserable...
You can't handle the truth!
Bingo.
"Don't open your eyes, you won't like what you see. The devils of truth steal the souls of the free. Don't open your eyes, take it from me. I have found you can find happyness in slavery..." - You figure out who said this... :)
We have our own so called "conservative" prime minister here in Canada and yes I fell for it-silly me thinking somebody who called themselves a conservative would lower taxes and decrease the size of government (and its intrustions), rather than print money, bail out banks, suck up to the US militairy industrial banking complex and build super prisons (and build a US style police state).
The positive take away is that I'm awake now many thanks to ZH and the posters here.
I tire of this lib/conservative litmus test. It is a sham to keep the population at each other's throats. The 2 parties in Washington battle it out in the presses during the day, then share cocktails at night laughing at us.
At this point, I would be happy simply with an honest person with a good head on their shoulders. Not many of them around.
People who make independent decisions rather than toeing a party line don't usually get into the primaries much less through them.
I believe there must be something systemic in the way the U.S. is structured that prevents the establishment of a viable third party.
Ya think? When Nader was on the ticket & denied access to the debates & threatened with arrest although having a vadid ticket, you bet ur sweet a$$ something's wrong.
my buddy said it well over the weekend. we're just waiting for the current generation in power, the same one that's been in power since the 1980s, to die off.
That is exactly what the boomer generation was saying in the 1960s and 1970s. We (I'm one of them myself) knew what was wrong and we knew all the answers We knew we could do better than the crowd that fought WW II. We knew that overseas adventures (Dominican Republic, VIet Nam) were wrong. We knew that the military-industrial complex was bad. We knew that free speech was good. Then we came to power, first in Congress and cabinet posts, and finally in the presidency with Bill Clinton. We, the boomer generation, proved just as corrupt and incompetent as the previous generation of leaders. We became them.
Good luck with thinking a newer generation can fix things. I hope I'm around long enough to see if it makes a difference.
believing that the individuals within the system are the problem will continue the electing charade forever.
correctly identifying the system as the corrupted entity will at least allow the individual some measure of autonomy and possibility for change, which must always come from the individual first.
Conservatives are merely a different flavor of statists.
pods
No Pods...republicans, not to be confused with conservatives, are two different flavors of statists.
there are not enpugh true cons left to matter, even by your rather loose def.
face facts. they are clear as the day.
Okay, if we are going to argue this, define a conservative and name one.
pods
Edit:
From the USA conservative party platform (sorry for the bold, I cannot seem to change it):
Seems like statists to me.
You are confusing a platform to distract the American people and reach the lowest common denominator with what conservatives believe.
If a man and a man or a woman and a woman want to get married do be it. It's their choice. Lord knows I didn't get it right with my wife.
Government employees , well last time I checked they worked for we the people and we the people should be allowed to fire them at will. They certainly shouldn't be provided more pay and better benefits than are available to us. And they sure as hell shouldn't be feeling up our grannies and kids at the airports.
As for English as a the official language ... Well our education system is doing a good job of destroying that.
I don't know how you can argue against adopting measures to help revive the economy. It seems to me a little less government , a dead fed and some dead banks will go a long way to helping that cause.
Again those are all distractions though.
You are confusing your personal interpretation of what the word "conservative" means with some external component of our shared reality.
Language doesn't work like that, and there's nothing that makes one interpreter the "most correct" person to define all the words in the language.
There's very little to suggest what the proclaimed "conservative" believes about *ANY* political question. I guarantee if you talk to enough people who call themselves "conservative," you'll find a very broad array of opinions expressed about whether this or that is the best way to do things.
I posted a link a few days ago, dunno if anyone bothered to look at it, but the evidence from the past 15 years or so is that there are significant structural differences in the brains of people who hold systemically different "political" perspectives. "The Authoritarians" was the first mainstream book I recall to specifically publicize the scientific results which suggest that what defines the authoritarian world-view is actually a question about how those folks' brains operate.
Here's another crack at similar research, anyway, maybe someone who hasn't seen this yet would find it interesting...
http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/
I am all for smaller gov doc, you know I am an anarchist. The word "conservative" in todays lexicon means what the people who say the word say it means.
And that is just the stereoisomer of liberalism. Same state power applied in a different way.
All of the platform pieces that are there (american conservative party) are illustrating the problem. That government has the power to solve any of these problems, and more importantly, are they authorized to do so.
Today, state power is overlooked for the benefits bestowed by it.
That is the problem that I have. Not whether they do good or not, but the fact that they are there.
pods
I know you're an anarchist and I respect that. I can even buy into that philosophy, but I also know that some form of government as a reality. So it's my belief to neuter it as much as possible.
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There is no such thing as freedom. You are all prisoners in God's infinite domain bitches.
That said it's been pretty obvious the neo cons don't give a fuck about the constitution. The democrats are the same way too though. So who do we vote for?
This democracy sucks.
Hedgeless you need to finish the thought. Let me add.
All the while our government continues to slowly but surely take away our rights and continues to step on the constitution. Slowly but surely people will awaken one day and they will have no rights left.
Those are not our rights. They are the rights of those that were smart enough, and brave enough, to fight for them. We are neither, and thus reap what we sow.
The Top 400 People in the United States Earned (or the Irrevocable Trust Fund, Lucky Sperm Club, 400 Stole? Depending on your view as a SLAVE!) 93% of ALL! Profits last year.. with the other 7% going to the 299,000,000 of us!
So? either Taxing the 400 or Eating the 400 Irrevocable Trust Fund Lucky Sperm Club Members?? I Vote we eat them! Before they have the Police and Army come and take our Guns! Like ALL the other Rights that have been handed Blindly! over by the Poor, Un-Educated, Majority of the United States!
With the caveat, The 400 Richest are in FACT NOT the Richest 400 in America.. not even close. As individuals.. the Nuevo Riche’.. Let their Ego’s Rule Them.. Hence they as individuals are worth “X” amount, per the Taxes NOT! Paid! The Truly Riche’ have ALL! over their Monies in Irrevocable Trusts.. on and off shore.. therefore! The individuals that are beneficiaries of the Trust are worth NOTHING! And the Monies are un-attachable.
The Forbes 400 are as a rule management for others who have money. Because your building has you name on it.. does not mean you own the Mortgage. This Translates into ALL DEBT! Held!
The Private Bankers.. that no one ever sees or hears about.. Control JP Morgan.. it is their Money in the Bank as well as shares held, controlling interest(s) in ALL! things of Real Value.
I Promise you and everyone the Jews! Who are a distraction.. don’t own anything.. they are Management. Aaron Lopez the Slave master of North America.. worked under the blessing of the Royals of Europe.. who all collected the lion’s share of monies earned. Anyone who sells you any idea different than that is a LIAR or Ignorant.
The Owners.. are NOT the Forbes 400..
The Jews are NOT the Owners, they are Managers.
Money is Free Speech and Corporations are People.. NOT! because the management wanted it that way!
Sworn before Congress, Prior to taking the Bench the Strict Constitutionalists (Republican Nominated or Democratic.. makes no difference) ignored the constitution as a WHOLE! Because the powers that be wanted it that way.
And because no one will provide the thinkers a P & L for these people.. they do NOT exist! LOL!!
Crack Pots.. mostly! who have been kidnapped by aliens and probed.. try to shine a light (publicly) on these powers.. always with a HD Camera and website to post it on.. these rants are captured and shared with the Masses.. leaving the masses thinking there is NO Reasonable Person who would even entertain the idea of Blue Blood, Good Families who have Controlled the United States for Generations! And will continue to do so.. the Public Relations War was lost LONG before any of us were born.
The real issue.. is WHY?? Are the Powers that be Letting.. or in FACT! Stirring the pot.. the only end result is Social Unrest.. so why do they WANT! Social Unrest?
And please any of you that think you have out smarted them.. and that We the Sheepeople are somehow coming into our own! Against the power that they wield.. go sit in the Corner and let the Grownups Speak!
Why do they want US! Up in arms? They are leading everyone to the Jews! As the Bad Guys!
Are they looking to clear out management? Thru the use of We the Sheepeople Force?
So that they can then step in and save us from our animal urges? Thusly dis-arming us??
What is their plan??
No matter what the majority of THINKERS! Will walk right past the Truly Riche’ to blame others! So they have already won.
That's clear.
what part was not clear enough for you..
the Forbes 400 list is NOT the Richest 400 Americans.
the Jews (majority) on Wall Street who manage Banks and or other.. do NOT! have a controling interest or control over the debt of said companies.
The Blue Bloods who do Own all the debt.. who do own everything do not have tidal waves of BAD PR coming out about them ---> http://irmep.org/ila/About/news.htm
03/22/2012
800 Nuclear Triggers Smuggled to Israel, Mastermind Untouchabe - Secret FBI Files
An espionage ring smuggled 800 krytons to the Israeli Ministry of Defense for use in the clandestine Israeli nuclear weapons program according to newly declassified FBI files. The secret documents were originally scheduled for public release in the year 2036, but were obtained under appeal to the Justice Department by the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep). The documents available online athttp://www.IRmep.org/ila/krytons reveal new details about the failed effort to indict the nuclear smuggling ring's masterminds.
02/28/2012
Mossad Chief Set AIPAC Founder's First Public Relations Priorities -- Declassified FBI Files
Declassified FBI files reveal details of the founder of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's (AIPAC) early coordination with the head of Mossad and the Israeli Minister of Foreign Affairs. The 198-page file, released under the Freedom of Information Act to the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep), is now on the Internet at: http://www.IRmep.org/ila/kenen
02/06/2012
AIPAC Director's Use of Classified Missile Data Harmed National Security - US State Department
Newly released US Department of State investigation files reveal how the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's (AIPAC) acquisition of classified US national defense information harmed national security. (Web documents) In 1976 the Ford administration proposed selling improved Hawk anti-aircraft missiles to Jordan. The Senate Foreign Relations Committee and House Foreign Affairs Committee received a classified Department of Defense notification of sale. AIPAC's Director Morris Amitay reviewed the classified document after being informed "secretly by aides of Senator Clifford P. Case, Republican of New Jersey, and Representative Jonathan B. Bingham, Democrat of New York" according to the New York Times.
12/13/2011
Secret trade report obtained by AIPAC and Israel compromised sensitive US industry secrets
Following a three year Freedom of Information Act battle, US Trade Ambassador Ron Kirk has been forced to publicly release a secret report about America's first bilateral trade agreement. The 1984 report predicted which US industries would be most harmed by massive trade preferences for Israel.
11/23/2011
Illicit Israeli Military Technology Transfers Continued Amidst US State Department Infighting - Audit
A newly declassified US Department of State report obtained by the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep) reveals how political infighting and turf battles undermined efforts to reign in illicit Israeli transfers of sensitive US military technology. In March of 1992 US State Department inspector general Sherman Funk issued his "Report of Audit" about efforts to stem illegal Israeli transfers of US military technology. The report found Israel "is systematically violating U.S. arms control laws." America's "Blue Lantern" system conducted in-country inspections by deploying Customs officials and other qualified US embassy personnel to verify that "sensitive U.S. Munitions List items and technology are used only for authorized purposes."
09/20/2011
Secret CIA/FBI files of NUMEC nuclear diversions to Israel could aid $170 million toxic cleanup
Recently declassified wiretap transcripts of conversations between Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC) founder Zalman Shapiro and venture capitalist David Lowenthal reveal that illegal storage practices led to a dangerous nuclear spill. Obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by IRmep's Center for Policy and Law Enforcement, the files were heavily censored by the Central Intelligence Agency which blocked release of 225 pages.
05/24/2011
$6.64 Billion Damages Sought over Israeli Government and AIPAC Use of Stolen Classified US Trade Data
Today the Section 301 Committee of the US Trade Representative formally received a petition demanding $6.64 billion in compensation for US exporters. In 1984 US exporters were urged to submit business confidential data about their prices, market share, internal costs and market strategy to the International Trade Commission. The USTR guaranteed confidentiality and compiled the data into a classified report for use in negotiating the US-Israel Free Trade Agreement.
03/07/2011
Israel lobbyist funds US Presidents, Israeli Nukes, AIPAC disinformation
FBI files released under the Freedom of Information Act unveil new details about the life of influential lobbyist Abraham Feinberg (1908-1998). Feinberg is best known for funding President Harry S Truman's "whistle stop" campaign, saving Truman's 1948 election campaign from almost certain defeat. In an interview, Feinberg summarized his long success in Democratic Party politics: "My path to power was cooperation in terms of what they needed—campaign money."
According to new histories of Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons program including "Israel and the Bomb" by Avner Cohen (1998), Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion secretly named Feinberg his chief nuclear weapons fundraising coordinator in 1958. According to Michael Karpin's "The Bomb in the Basement" (2007) Feinberg and 25 others contributed $40 million to the Israeli nuclear weapons program against opposition from presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy.
11/09/2010
Israeli False Flag Attack on U.S. Motivated 1963 Senate Investigation - Newly Declassified Files
Fears of false flag and foreign funded covert operations designed to influence U.S. policy drove the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to launch exhaustive investigations and call for warranted enforcement of the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA). A newly declassified March 17, 1961 memo unsealed and released by the National Archives and Records Administration on October 21, 2010 outlined the Senate's rationale for investigating Israel lobbying groups and other foreign agents active across the United States.
08/18/2010
Declassified Senate Investigation Files Reveal Clandestine Israeli PR Campaign in America
Declassified files from a Senate investigation into Israeli-funded covert public relations and lobbying activity in the United States were released by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) on July 23rd, 2010. The subpoenaed documents reveal Israel's clandestine programs for "cultivation of editors," the "stimulation and placement of suitable articles in the major consumer magazines" as well as U.S. reporting about sensitive subjects such as the Dimona nuclear weapons facility.
07/06/2010
Senator Pressures NRC to Clear NUMEC President of Illegal Uranium Diversions to Israel
The office of Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania attempted to obtain a statement from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission according to documents newly released under the Freedom of Information Act. On August 27, 2009, Arlen Specter wrote to Rebecca Schmidt asking that the NRC "issue a formal public statement confirming that he [constituent Zalman Shapiro] was not involved in any activities related to the diversion of uranium to Israel."
03/10/2010
New FBI Files Alleging AIPAC Theft of Government Property and Israeli Espionage Released
Declassified files detailing an FBI investigation targeting the American Israel Public Affairs Committee are now available on the Internet. AIPAC was investigated after it acquired and circulated classified government information provided in strict confidence by US industry and worker groups opposed to AIPAC sponsored economic legislation.
02/04/2010
AIPAC Officials Duplicated Classified Policy Documents Before Returning to US Government - IRmep.
Top officials of the American Israel Public Affairs Those public information, command information, and community relations activities directed toward both the external and internal publics with interest in the Department of Defense. Also called PA. See also command information; community relations; public information. Committee duplicated a stolen classified US government policy document before returning it under order of the US Trade Representative.
11/16/2009
AIPAC Received Classified US Trade Docs from Israeli Embassy
A FBI file reveals the Israeli embassy passed stolen classified US government information to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). In 1984 Israel and AIPAC jointly lobbied Congress to secure preferential Israeli access to the US market against widespread American industry opposition. The FBI file, kept secret for 25 years, was recently released to the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep) through Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. The declassified files, their historical context, and long term impact on jobs and exports are detailed in the new book “Spy Trade: How Israel’s Lobby Undermines America’s Economy.” “Spy Trade” also analyzes AIPAC’s long history of guidance and material support from the Israeli government.
11/06/2009
Declassified FBI File Alleges an Israeli Intelligence Agent Worked at AIPAC
An agent of the Israeli intelligence service worked on the staff of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) according to a newly declassified FBI file. An August 13, 1984 secret communication from the FBI Washington Field Office (WFO) to the FBI director states, "WFO files disclose that AIPAC is a powerful pro-Israel lobbying group staffed by U.S. citizens. WFO files contain an unsubstantiated allegation that a member of the Israeli Intelligence Service was a staff member of AIPAC."
04/09/2009
Dennis Ross sidelined at State over his foreign agent status with Israel
...In January of this year, the Institute for Research: Middle Eastern Policy (IRmep) issued a press release on Ross and the JPPPI and its predecessor Israeli government-funded operations in the United States. IRmep stated: “In the 1960s the Senate Foreign Relations Committee uncovered a network of stealth Jewish Agency ‘conduits’ financing grassroots Israel lobby start up groups through the American Zionist Council (AZC). During 1963 hearings the Senate revealed the equivalent of $35 million went toward U.S. lobbying, including $38,000 to American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) founder Isaiah Kenen between 1960-1961.”
In November 1962, Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy required the AZC to register as a foreign agent pursuant to the 1938 Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA). The AZC shut down and transferred its lobbying activities to AIPAC. Ross never registered as a foreign agent under FARA after becoming chairman of the Jewish Agency-funded JPPPI in 2002. Ross’ failure to declare himself as an agent of the Israeli government contributed, in part, to Clinton’s decision to remove his Iran portfolio.
03/31/2009
Israeli Nuclear Arsenal Prohibits US Foreign Aid Under Symington Amendment
...The declassified US Army report titled "The Joint Operating Environment 2008" identifies Israel as a nuclear weapons power. Specifically the US Army highlights "a growing arc of nuclear powers running from Israel in the west through an emerging Iran to Pakistan, India, and on to China, North Korea, and Russia in the east." Jimmy Carter became the first former President to confirm in 2008 that Israel has secretly financed, developed and deployed an undeclared arsenal of nuclear weapons.
The Foreign Assistance Act of 1961 as amended by the Symington Amendment of 1976 and the Glenn Amendment of 1977 prohibit US military assistance to countries that acquire or transfer nuclear reprocessing technology outside of international nonproliferation regimes. Israel, unlike Iran, is not a signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. If Congress wishes to provide US taxpayer funded foreign aid to Israel in compliance with US law, it may do so only under a special waiver from the office of the President as in the case for Pakistan.
02/23/2009
Documents Reveal AIPAC Trade Secrets Leak Leading to $71 Billion Export Loss
...Since the agreement was signed in 1985, US trade with Israel shifted from surplus to a cumulative $71 billion deficit (adjusted for inflation). The 2008 $7.8 billion deficit with Israel was equivalent to 126,000 US manufacturing related jobs. It is the only bilateral FTA producing multi-billion dollar losses to the US every year for the last decade but total losses are still unknown. According to IRmep director Grant F. Smith the agreement was the beginning of a chain reaction of intellectual property theft documented by industry associations and US counterintelligence agencies: "US corporations were betrayed by the leaks of their intellectual property during treaty negotiations in 1984. US pharmaceutical, defense and other industries continue to lose billions in revenue to Israeli copy-cat merchandise. We are only beginning to fully understand the larger impact of AIPAC and the Israeli government's ongoing acquisition of classified US information."
01/29/2009
Dennis Ross Chairmanship of Israeli Government Funded Think Tank Could Torpedo Iran Envoy Job
...Since 2002 former American diplomat Dennis Ross has filed no FARA activity declarations. This could be a problem according to IRmep director Grant F. Smith. "The US Department of Justice has always asked US recipients of Jewish Agency funding -- whether the American Zionist Council and its US executives, or the Jewish Agency's New York office -- to register as agents of a foreign principal. With US-Iran diplomacy and restoration of productive relations looming so urgently, now is certainly not the time to resurrect foreign agent registration battles."
12/22/2008
DOJ and Treasury Rebuff Calls to Investigate Alleged $60 Billion Israel Money Laundering Ring
...since 2005 the leadership of the US Treasury Department's Internal Revenue Service and Terrorism and Financial Intelligence units have repeatedly rebuffed requests for investigation and related inquiries. For three years the Department of Justice Counterterrorism Section, Federal Bureau of Investigation, and New York based US Attorneys have formally refused to show investigatory interest in these publicly substantiated money laundering allegations.
11/24/2008
AIPAC Founder's Newly Declassified Foreign Agent File Reveals Shift to Stealth Lobbying
Six decades ago Americans working as registered Israeli foreign agents launched New York, Washington and Los Angeles "Israel Office of Information (IOI)" branches. Newly declassified records document IOI actions that forever changed foreign government lobbying on Capitol Hill as IOI director Isaiah L. Kenen shifted Israel lobbying away from FARA oversight into stealth foreign lobbying from the American Zionist Council.
10/27/2008
Declassified Papers: DOJ Accepted AIPAC Parent's Demand for Secrecy
Papers kept secret for 43 years show that the US Department of Justice attempted to register the parent organization of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC, as the foreign agent of Israel. Such a registration could have changed the course of Middle East history by giving the president, State Department and American public more insight and leverage over the Israel lobby during peace negotiations to compensate displaced Palestinians and avert Israel's covert development of nuclear weapons. How the subversion of law enforcement and oversight corrupts governance in the US.
10/1/2008
The Lobby and the Patriot's Predicament
How the subversion of law enforcement and oversight corrupts governance in the US.
09/16/2008
From Irgun to AIPAC: Israel Lobby's US Treasury Follies Hurt
A historical perspective on the Israel lobby's actions reveals how the US Treasury Department is used against the interests of the American people.
08/20/2008
Declassified Old Documents Shed New Light on AIPAC Espionage Prosecution
How the subversion of law enforcement and oversight corrupts the US political process.
06/06/2008
AIPAC report reveals long history of activities harmful to U.S.
A historical review of the AIPAC Near East Report's attempts to divert attention away from Israel's nuclear program, the corrupted trade agreement, and election fraud in the California senate race.
The People who do own the Supreme Court.. both sides of the Bench.. who allow Laws like Money is Free Speech or Corporations are People.. are the REAL Problem..
The Real problem are the owners..
and the Question still stands..
why do they want Broad Social Un-Rest?
I dont know how else to say it. I can clear up any questons you may have as best as I can.. if you are direct enough in the information you require.
Look Ma!
One World Missile Defense!
SUSRISblog | April 18, 2012
The GCC Challenge in Missile DefenseTwo weeks ago U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton visited Saudi Arabia for bilateral talks with King Abdullah and other leaders in the Kingdom. She also participated in the inaugural US-GCC Strategic Cooperation Forum while in Riyadh. Among the short list of topics on Clinton's agenda for discussion at the forum, during a time of high anxiety over issues like Iran and Syria, was the preparedness of America's Gulf allies in the area of missile defense. As tensions in the Gulf over Tehran's nuclear program reach new heights the United States and its Gulf partners are more mindful than ever of the ballistic missile threat posed by Iran.
A State Department official briefing the press enroute to Saudi Arabia identified missile defense among the key topics for discussion, "We’re working with each of our partners to develop that architecture because in order to protect the Gulf, no one nation can protect itself. It needs to rely on its partners in order to have an effective missile defense system." A second briefer noted, "it’s something.. ..appropriate for the GCC as a regional organization. Since missile defense requires a regional approach, it’s an appropriate topic to be discussed and addressed."
http://www.susrisblog.com/2012/04/17/the-gcc-challenge-in-missile-defense/
Your "rights" are not for the government to give or take away. You're the only one who can decide what they really are.
You might be killed for your beliefs, sure, but that's the way this whole thing works.
If you think about the Bill of Rights from a different angle, you see that most of the specificallly enumerated stuff concerns issues that no government could *ever* possibly control. You have a "right" to free speech not because the Founding Fathers wanted people to spend their time bitching, but because no one has ever figured out a good way to shut someone up.
You have a "right" to worship whatever you like because how in the hell is government going to mandate what occurs within your own mind?
You're only free if you decide to be, and it has very little to do with your ability to rent a piece of land or ingest chemicals or cross borders.
Great article - well done.
brandon - everything you said is true including your decidedly dovish statements about that total piece of shit michael aquino who was at the core of the child abductions of the of 1970s and 80s targeting young boys for recruitment into republican child sex rings almost entirely of the homosexual variety.....this operation was centered in omaha and ran straight to the bush,sr white house....i cannot begin to describe the cruelties and murders which occurred under this program which still operates....the bohemian grove atrocities would make any normal person's skin curl and fall off....barney frank was also involved in purchasing under age boys forhis sexual appetites....
no one who loves freedom should even for a moment think of voting for romney or ever succumb to the brain washing argument of voting for the less of two evils. write in another candidate. and as you point out obama is no different.....
Another RP BJ, thanks!
This democracy sucks.
that's because it's actually an OLIGOCRACY
there are no checks or balances in our fractional government?
the supreme [supremacy law is politically endowed] court now can obliberate any congressional [veto acts of congress] laws,... and presidential mandates
the potus can declare war upon any nation without congressioal consent
the congress can, and has shredded/ destroyed many of 'the bill-of-right'
Ps. since 1869 [note date: potus ,andrew johnson **dem-union party?] there has been a standardized number set of 'nine justices' with lifetime appointment **[article III]
Ps2. The average nations tenure of supreme court justices since 1869 has been approx. fifteen [15] years --- marketable as it may sound,... since 1970 [?] it has increased to more than twenty-six [26] years.
Ps3. the framers were worried as they should have been, that the checks and balances of executive, congressional, and judicial branches would become compromised. the results could bring back a monarchy, or even worse an oligarchy. the open arbiter, is to the people of the united states that the true meaning of justice must adhere to,... it is therefore the law of the land for the constituency and not segregated by prejudiced ideologies, and cronyism.
Finally,... what matters most for our country is to put a stop to the imbalances, and the lack of juristic prudence brought about by fifty [50] yrs. of stacking the kangaroo courts of america. they have literally undone 200 years of a progressive movement and have become activist with no regard for the written law as the framers were so careful to prescribe. this is why were screwed - but, i'll still choose ROMNEY over bambi anyday of the week! *** i just hope he doesn't give cofer black a high post in his administration, like cia, or even head of HLS[ scary]
jmo
nice read, thankyou :-))
or more specifically a plutocracy
Have you ever been offered a flavor of ice cream you're not familiar with and you flat out say, "No Way!"
What if we took a chance on a new flavor in the blind? What if we just said yes simply because we wanted to choose something new and be adventurous. What's the worst it could do? Ice cream is still ice cream so even if we didn't like it, we'd still eat it.
Same goes for all this political stuff. The Ron Paul's of the world cannot be accepted because they can not be properly distributed. They cannot get shelf space. They are not allowed on the trucks or into our homes for any level of momentum building ground swell in popularity.
The only way around it is to choose in the blind. We as a nation must find a way to take a leap of faith. To choose that which is not being sold to us. To try a new flavor.
so, you voted Obama in 2008?
I'm Lactose intollerant, and Ron Paul is serving Itailian Ice. Liberty, Freedom, Properity and Peace. Only Ron Paul is worth a true American's vote. A true American is someone who abides by and defends the rule of law (not the rule of men). And in this democratic Republic the U.S. Constitution with all it's glory and pimples is the reule of law.
ONLY Ron Paul. Only. No one else gets my vote. Nobody.
http://youtu.be/t9xx6bjyawg
I'll be spending all my energy doing/learning self sufficiency skills instead of listening to talk radio and obsessing over politics. I'm having a much better/healthier/happier time tending to four gardens, making my own bread, prepping for canning, etc. than shouting at my television. I wasted so much time following "mainstream conservative" outlets. All I need to read these days is ZeroHedge, Market Ticker, and the Slog to know enough about what's really going on.
I believe the term for these fake, bought-and-paid-for conservatives is Con$ervatives.
"tax the churches.......TAX the Fuck out of the churches"
they have too much political influence.
these are not sacred institutions, they are tools of TPTB.
Yeah, let's expunge all vestiges of religious thought from our laws. Down with laws based on "thou shalt not commit murder" or "thou shalt not steal". Down with laws that institutionalize charity. We can't have government operating on the example of the good Samaritan.
So what if they have political influence? So do unions. So do corporations. The time I object to political influence coming from religious institutions is when they try to use the government to tell me who I must worship and how I must worship, or if I must worship at all. That's why the First Amendment starts out with "Congress shall pass no law...".
Religion didn't "invent" morals, but it has undermined them.
I can't believe I am actually seeing people discuss this crap at Fight Club.
PUKE
Vote for ANYONE but Romney and Obama is president again.
ANY remaining freedoms we do have left will not survive another 4 years.
Don't think you're going to ride out a financial collapse or a government crackdown.
That's what everyone thought in 38 Germany. You thnk this is crazy, Obama is not a fascist? Look at Drudge today, with the ABCNBCCBS news logos miimicking the Obama logo.
We have big problems, most of them can be undone IF we eliminate the most dangerous problem first. Voting for anyone other than Romney is a mistake.
A majority will NOT vote for Ron Paul because TeeVee tells them not to.
If he paired up with Romney though...
"Anyone but Bush/Obama."
That's a good doggie. Can you roll over and bark on command as well?
You can't be serious. Do you actually think the results with Romney would be any different from Obama?
Let me clue you in...
Cheney and the neo-cons are still in charge. This cabal took control of the U.S. government by stealing the 2000 election and then the 2004 election. They followed the PNAC agenda to a "t" including 911, invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, et. al. PATRIOT act, establishment of DHS, NDAA, executive orders, you name it, they're behind it.
They let Obama in office with the proviso he would champion their causes. He's followed their demands. Most of what Obama has done while in office is just "P.R. for the plebes". Anyone else they let in, Romney included, will continue the charade. The 2008 financial "meltdown" was part of the plan as well. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Should a Ron Paul or anyone else slip into office accidentally and make the mistake of thinking they're running things, they'll be dealt with JFK-style.
This shit doesn't just "happen". It's all a grand plan.
And that's the truth.
Romney is every bit a globalist fascist as Obama.
The Republicans are represented by Elephants.
The Democrats are represented by Mules/Donkeys.
Ever go to a Zoo to see both? The smell that you'll come across is the same you encounter when reading legislation lately from either of these two "parties".
Bullshit in, bullshit out.
On April 7, 2011, Peter Dunn raised his right hand before a U.S. consular officer in Toronto and swore that he understood the consequences of giving up his U.S. citizenship. Dunn, a dual U.S.-Canadian citizen who has lived outside the United States since 1986, says he renounced because he felt American citizenship had become more of a liability than a privilege.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/tax-time-pushes-americans-hike-204320491.html
What a mess.
It's too bad Ron Paul wasn't charismatic enough to catch on with the masses. Just sayin'...not that they would understand his message anyway.
Freedom? The consititution? Limited government? the Fed?
Most Americans don't know anything about civics or the country's history.
A dialog based on generic labels is doing more damage than good. It retrenches the abstracted binary mode of thought which is based on human emotion rather than rational thought.
Maybe there could be trials to determine who is a fake ______, and each flawed being would themselves seek to be judge? Is this piece part of a personal campaign to be the "judge"?
Get in line.
most of the Obama voters see him as a victim.. he would be a more effective president IF ONLY the Congress did not obstruct him, using partisan threats. most people fail to understand that Congress has no authority. they have given that authority to central bankers and the potus. it wasn't hard for W Bush to take even greater hubris into the executive office when the Congress was a majority in the GOP. you wonder when Congress will demand that we return their authority?
Congress would be more popular if they could stop the illegal wars, (their authority by the Constitution) and control the expansion of debt through monetization (their authority through the Constitution) and they could control the budget (their power written into the prinicple of checks and balances)
if Congress took back their power they would be more popular the President would be able to do a better job. this is a Constitutional problem. SCOTUS has to take some responsibility, but they are largely partisan hacks whose majority tends to favor Ayn Randian corporate rights and corporate welfare.
they appointed w bush president, which i repeat, demonstrates this is a Constitutional crisis.
No it's a Community Mental Health Problem. Patriot Act, what's the Patriot Act? Constitutional crisis implies a minimum standard of law enforcement for everyone, where have you been?
All this to express "buyer's remorse"? Let me re-write it for Brandon Smith:
"I admit it, I voted for the worst President in US history. I was a total idiot to fall for that "Hope and Change" crap and am probably still one. I will never vote again because I have proven I cannot exercise my franchise responsibly. I shouldn't be trusted anywhere near a voting booth."
Much simpler and to the point.
The question of whether anything can be accomplished through government will be answered by most people with a resounding “retort and flash of a muzzel barrel”.
It doesn't matter who gets elected, the momentum of this train wreck cannot be stopped. They are all impotent, and once they realize the gravity if the problem, they merely try to dig their heels in so history does not judge them as the one holding the bag when it became clear to the masses that the train derailed...never underestimate the ego of these puppets...
Obama's cancelled the US. He's running in Indonesia instead this year. And Michelle...she doesn't look like his sister. The kids don't look like nieces either.
Solution for 99.99% of human slaves being ruled by the psychopathic 0.01%:
The Federal gov is too big, too powerful, too intrusive, inefficient and does not represent the interests of the majority of Americans; just like the 5 largest banks! The ruling power pyramid should allow more power as one moves from federal to state to county levels and be accountable to the majority of voters (via referendums), not political parties or lobbyists. These thousands of small "democratic experiments" at the county level will lead to the optimum form of government for it's citizens and will differ depending on the priorities of each county. This solution minimizes the concentration of power and abuse while giving an equal vote and fair representation to all citizens!
Sorry. The majority of Americans are, sadly, dependent on both.
We can take solice in knowing that it was only one in ten colonists that supported open rebellion against England - at first. And it was those who had the most to gain, who were the most vexed, that led the rebellion.
Well, they build their Trojan horse, we of a like mind here need to build ours....might I suggest we form Acorn II, with the appearnce of supporting Obummer but with a slightly differnet true agenda???
Will Ted Nugent quietly disappear soon after his rant on Obama recently? Could be first NDAA casualty................
god , i hope so, those old rockers need to learn when they are past their time........
enough of him already.
All talk no action, just do it or shut the fuck up Teddy boy.
"If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year."
Gee, Ted, if that's a PROMISE, you may have just done a lot to HELP Obama's re-election chances. Perhaps a bit more circumspection and prudence with the mouthing off, eh?
Still, Stranglehold was a good tune.
We can only hope so. What a has been.
Thanks for reminding me.... What was the official cause of death of Breitbart?
kinda like danny jowenko [click on video] james madison 7/28/11... http://www.911scholars.ning/profiles/blogs/repost-danny-jowenko-is-dead-... or>>> Ron Paul's Site ... http://www.dailypaul.com/172140/danny-jowenko-is-dead-3-days-after-sabro...
Ps. this is what you get from political appointments ie. people that can't say no
Ps2. tenet stopped all programs to take out taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan 12 months before '911' on FBI documents, and the trail of the ISI is so thick with unmarked $100 bills [cia black money] it's hard to see the grass under the scumbags feet. Panetta is another, with Hillary not knowing her head from her ass, period!
Don't vote. Not even for Kodos.
"The citizenry is on the verge of total fury"
Simply put, this is one of the most ignorant things I have ever seen in print.
The citizenry" is on the verge of total and complete apathy. Fury? What a joke. In the first place, americans on the whole are too fat to get mad about anything and even if they were to rediscover anger, they can't be bothered to get off the couch and do anything about it.
No, he doesn't see anything that resembles fury. If he wants that, have Obama interrupt DWTS or the NBA/NFL/MLB or any high rated sitcom. Then there will be millions of fat fists raised in fury. Then more lazy assed slumber as they realize they're too fat to get off the couch.
We're done. Stick a fork in us.
They all suck. Some claim Ron Paul is different but he's more of the same.
Isn't it a little ironic that he has teamed up (book - The Case for Gold) in the past with a guy (Lewis Lehrman - CFR and PNAC) who is now calling for new global currency (PNAC report - The Creation of International Money Order) based on gold and his largest fundraiser (Peter Thiel - GoProud, Bilderberg steering committee member) is the founder of the world's leading digital money company (PayPal - not to mention CIA's wet dream come true Facebook). Rand Paul is also involved as a proponet for digital gold.
I don't know about you but the hairs on the back of my head stand up and I get just a little suspicious based on everyone that is involved as well as the globalist angle. I can't think of a more perfect scenario for the globalists who are trying to create a global monetary system based on a single currency.
Can you?
http://www.thegoldstandardnow.org/images/stories/PDF/Money-and-the-Comin...
http://yophat.blogspot.com/2012/03/ron-paul-rant.html
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0812/S00378/mr-anonymous-the-libertaria...
http://www.thebellforum.com/content.php?r=158-Volker-Sidebar-1-%96-Eyes-...
Just out of curiosity, what's that big "fear of a global government" all about?
If your government were doing a good job of representing your interests, protecting your security, and addressing your concerns, is there any reason to care that it serves the whole planet?
The approach in place now, where we have a few hundred competing governments, most of which do a TERRIBLE job, doesn't really seem so great either.
to borrow the phrase from Reagan "Moral Relativism" has no validity. you can't allow prison labor (or socialist, or subsidized labor and industry to compete with free markets). serves the whole planet at whose expense? serve everyone and you serve no one. Reagan didn't walk the walk, even if his thoughts are correct on the subject. (in fact it was during Reagan that China started slipping into the global economy, by outsourcing shoes parts to HK) which President has not served the interests of Wall Street? and the interests of Wall Street are what? multinational companies which extract wealth to the benefit of the 1%, who know no borders other than money and power.
Wha?
FD: I'm an anarchist, so I'm opposed to centralization of ALL authority, myself.
But I've never heard from anyone who's hysterical about the threat of one-world-government ever explain what the big fear is. I don't understand a lick of your reply--moral relativism has nothing to do with it.
It seems to me that this is a throwback to the indoctrination during the Cold War period--"communism" was the evil menace that sought to RULE THE WORLD, and we had to fight it and fear it constantly. But there's no credible global communist conspiracy anymore, so the fearmongering needs a new subject.
Are you really that obtuse?
The fear of one-world govenrment is the fear of there being NO possible option of escape from it --- no matter where you go on earth, you will always be subject to that single overwhelming power, with no possibility of removing yourself from outside its clutches.
But to be honest, I can't see the current world situation viz-a-viz the growing power of governments as all that fundamentally different either. It amazes me how little it it commented upon, even by those here, that the trend towards growing governmental surveillance, taxation and control of their citizens is not only worldwide, with NO exceptions to that rule of which I am aware, but remarkably uniform in its pace as well --- it is almost as if national boundaries have already been effectively erased by some hidden higher power.
it is almost as if national boundaries have already been effectively erased by some hidden higher power.
There's nothing "hidden" about the flows of money. That's what's wiped out national borders. Money is a far more effective means of direct physical power than legislation could ever be.
Not surprised you didn't pick up on that, tho. Too busy chasing the shadows in your mind.
(Just to keep in the same spirit with which you prefer to communicate: you're a worthless fuckmunch.)
Thanks for the links. I have been getting inner red flags about RP, and this info might confirm the reason...especially the PNAC report. We are so screwed!
Neo-Con or Neo-Com (mie) are both sinister. However, a look back at Bush and Clinton creates a desire for either, and the days before America become infected with Obamarian Cancer.
Obama needs to go. Unfortunately, he is the Democrat candidate, and Mitt is the poor choice of the Republicans. At this fork in the road, we can continue left which is proven to be a ride off of a cliff with no return, if we go right, to the unknown.
In looking at the Obama speeches, the words I, me, and my dominate the speech rather than America, USA, our Country. In his getting elected, that seemed correct because he was the MAN with the VISION and I was enthused. Now he is the man that fooled America, USA, and my Country and has us tottering on the very brink of destruction.
For better or worse, Obama needs to go. We need to have caution about the House and Senate and keep the more responsible members regardless of party, and I admit that is a very naive statement. let us TRY to keep the less corrupted
This country is being dragged down by the Progressives in both parties; the so-called fake conservatives in the Republican Party(neo-cons, Romney, Bushes, Bloomberg etc) and the extreme left of the Democratic Party(which is 100% Progressive, Socialist, Marxist, Obama etc). The Progressive movement was born from the banking cartel usual suspects; Rockefellers, Roosevelts etc and so it pursues its logical end. The Progressive controlled media has force fed the Republican nominee by establishing the narrative for the finale, they had to make sure both sides of the same coin made it to the end. The only difference between the 2 parties now is that while the Dems appear to be 100% controlled, the Republicans are what I estimate about 80% including some of the "Tea Party" variations, but even here the Democrats have run some of their people under that guise. Much like Bloomberg or Romney running as Republicans.
If one thinks we have passed the point of no return (i.e. no matter what happens in DC we are so loaded with debt and corruption that nothing can prevent the inevitable collapse) then what good would it do to have RP as POTUS? I'm certainly a RP supporter, but I can't seem to answer this nagging question.
Along the same lines, should RP take the white house, realizing the system is set up to collapse if we do what needs to be done (meaning if we scaled back the federal government to only what it should be doing which would necessitate about a 70% reduction in federal spending) then the collapse would of course be blamed on RP and like-minded libertarians/conservatives (and by conservatives I in no way mean Republicans). That surely wouldn't help the cause in the long term.
RP is the only real candidate and he has my vote, but I question what would be accomplished if he were fortunate enough to win.
In theory, if you elect the right hero, you can get all kinds of changes made that would never get off the ground in a conversation about what's "politically possible."
The big problem is, you're not going to accomplish anything budget-wise until you end the transfer payments, and you can't end them overnight because there's no infrastructure to support the survival of all the current recipients.
If you're committed to keeping the USA around, I'd suggest building infrastructure for all the deadbeats. Cafeterias, dormitories, video/Internet arcades, those sorts of things.
Then once folks have gotten used to the concept of free food and a free room to sleep in, you cut off all the checks.
If Ron Paul is not on the ballot, i will write his name in blood and send it in.
Seems to me from reading the comments we have a loose concensus that neither party reflects any "choice", as this article's graphic demonstrates, DEMS and GOP are really the same thing, just different spin on issues such as taxes and social issues.
The time is ripe for a real third-party. Unfortunately the Libertarian party is the largest of the "also-rans" but since most Libertarians I've met are lawyers, they can't agree on anything.
Maybe our move is to just write in Ron Paul and hope something sticks. I sure as hell would not vote for Romney, and as for Obama, fool me once, shame on you, fool me again....oh nevermind.
A viable third party represents a continued, albeit misplaced, faith in what politicians, and by extension government, can do to get us out of the mess we're in. Short of wars and money printing, can-kicking and loss hiding, vote buying and freedom killing, where can our government take us from here?
down with the globalist collectivists
Just remember folks, ALL of this is (decent into a True Plutocratic State) is as a result of the Citizens United vs FEC decision, handed down (5 to 4, naturally...) by The Roberts Court.
The GOP Closet Homo Faction - always eager to suck someone's dick - realized that their Future Participation in Electioneering/Goverence/Big Business was about to be wiped out by an electorate concerned about their own self interest and, the future of our once great country. So, what we got - just like the pending legitimization of Federal Mandate Provisions in the Affordable Care Act - was more Elections Bought By The Uber-Wealthy. Roberts - and, the GOP - knows who butters their bread. And it aint the Common Man.
While you are obsessed with what influence campaign donations might buy, like so many others you completely miss the consequences of our "progressive" tax system where the richest 1% are depended upon for 38% of income tax revenue, corporations are depended upon for 15% of overall revenue, and the revenue of the dependent 50% of this nation's citizenry contributes in income taxes what is barely a rounding error. We're bought and paid for, yes, but by choice.
How old are you, 12? Roberts Court? Lincoln kicked off the drive for central government uber alles, Wilson began the Fed to set the stage for the out of control financial sector and Roosevelt established the welfare state whereby all the proles must rely on their dear leaders for sustenance.
The dragons teeth were sown long, long ago. The Blue Team/Red Team thing at this point is for morons and if you think Team Jackass is substantially any different you either dont pay attention or are dumb as a rock. Its been a steady deterioration for 150 years.
Just remember folks, ALL of this is (decent into a True Plutocratic State) is as a result of the Citizens United vs FEC decision, handed down (5 to 4, naturally...) by The Roberts Court.
The GOP Closet Homo Faction - always eager to suck someone's dick - realized that their Future Participation in Electioneering/Goverence/Big Business was about to be wiped out by an electorate concerned about their own self interest and, the future of our once great country. So, what we got - just like the pending legitimization of Federal Mandate Provisions in the Affordable Care Act - was more Elections Bought By The Uber-Wealthy. Roberts - and, the GOP - knows who butters their bread. And it aint the Common Man.
I'm voting for Ron Paul. I will write him in if I have to. There is no "lesser of Two evils" when each candidate will be dedicating their time in office to special interest groups NONE OF WHICH WILL DO DIDDLY F'N SQUAT FOR ME!!!!!!!!
All hail the Queen of the Fake Conservatives...Congresswoman Nan Hayworth of NY 19! She couldn't make it to the Freedom of Religion Rally...but she's there in SPADES for the Anti-Bullying Rally!!
All hail the Queen of the Fake Conservatives...Congresswoman Nan Hayworth of NY 19! She couldn't make it to the Freedom of Religion Rally...but she's there in SPADES for the Anti-Bullying Rally!!
I am exercising my right Not to vote in this election. It makes no sense to cast a vote for one Party or another and have them think they are doing a good enough job for your vote. Besides, at this point in the future of America it makes No difference who is in charge. The FAIL train has already left the $tation several years ago.
Kerry flip-floped remember that one?
How about the idea Al Gore was a robot?
From reading these posts I agree with most as to, there is really no difference between both parties. They are both leading us down a path to ruin, planned out by their masters, the central banks of the world. I understand the different positions (not voting, voting 3rd party). If Obama is re-elected, he will not be constrained and will be more "flexible" to pass his REAL agenda for America. By not voting, Obama wins. By voting 3rd party, Obama wins. I'm not excited about Romney, but at least he will be constrained by wanting to be elected for a 2nd term. Just hold your nose and vote for him!
Patriot Act, what's the Patriot Act?
".....makes no difference...." I voted for Nader when the Bullshit seemed plausible....Demorats may be 'child abusers and wife beaters', but the GOP is 'Serial Killer Inc.'. Do psycopathic killers care what they say as long as it leads back to total power over the wage slaves? Duhhhhhh!
Romney has a chance because all of the sheep spend most of their time drooling over Dr. Phil or Dancing with the Stars or .....you get the idea....
Hell, Ru Paul would be better than O'bamny.
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/3773/robomneya.jpg
When are people going to understand that there is only one party, the CFR, and one ideology global fascism.
I hate to say this, but it makes no meaningful difference who gets elected in November. We are way past the point where the things that need to be different can be changed without shocking amounts of violence and hardship, even if a leader arrived with the commitment to set things right. The legions of mandarins will not go quietly, and their partners, the great many who must learn to fend for themselves are uniquely unprepared to do so. They will conspire to defend their entitlement culture in ways it is difficult to imagine right now.
GOP house committee votes to cut food stamps....GOP the party most preferred by Serial Killers and parasites....Let 'em Die, Let 'em Die/ or When is the Next War Starting? I can't wait!
It is very hard to have fury when the Nation is under chemical restraint or dependent on what little food they can buy. Just enough to exist, but not enough to get strong.
So let's cut to the chase, instead of meaningless appeals for better candidates.
- the world economies are soon to crash
- Europe will enter chaos and will re-form with an even stronger central grip over its people
- the US economy will tank, currency devalue and maybe fail, and we will be on the verge of civil war among regions of the country
- racism will be blamed for economic chaos and inequality to add fuel to the fire
So all this talk about 2012 candidates - where is the talk of a viable third party and alternative system to emerge? There won't be a need for a revolution - we'll be handed chaos on a platter, and the question for us all is who will lead this country out of it? Where's the plan? Where's the organization?
ZH'ers are all piling up gold knowing this is coming? What will you do after its come? It will be time to rebuild, so better start figuring it out now, and ignore the D-R parade as its days are numbered.