Guest Post: Former Marine Arrested For Patriotic Posts On Facebook

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Submitted by Brandon Smith from Alt-Market

Former Marine Arrested For Patriotic Posts On Facebook

First the establishment started going after current serving military men for their outspoken political views on Facebook and other web venues, men like Marine Sergeant Gary Stein.  Now, it seems the government is going after veterans as well.  This is the classic pattern of a burgeoning totalitarian state; attack a small group first (outspoken serving military) which the public ignores because it affects them little personally, then slowly expand out to eventually include everyone else.  To all those insipid bottom feeders out there who refused to defend Gary Stein's right to free speech, here is what you have wrought.  Because of your ignorance, the government has been able to set a social precedent which they now plan to apply to a whole new group of people, starting with former Marine Brandon Raub.  The common statist slave will give the typical coward's response, which would sound a little something like this:

"...When are people going to learn that Facebook isn't private?  You would have to be stupid to express such views where everyone can see..."

"They didn't arrest him, they just 'detained' him..."

"He's former military and should be 'ashamed' of his comments against the government., blah blah blah, etc..."

The bottom line is, the 1st Amendment is NOT conditional.  ALL speech must be protected, no matter who you are, or where you happen to be speaking.  Just because our current criminal government decides 1st Amendment protections do not apply to Facebook does not mean they have the authority to make such distinctions.  In fact, the Constitution explicitly outlines how they are restricted from making such distinctions.  If a government entity, ANY government entity, attempts to violate Constitutional restrictions, it must be removed by any means necessary.

Take note that the FBI used the accusation of "terrorist threats" by Brandon Raub as an excuse for the arrest even though there is no indication that any actual threats were present on his Facebook page..

(Brandon's comments included observations that 9-11 was done by the government (even going to such length, and an interestingly detailed thesis, of providing evidence to augment this), the War on Terror is a lie, Americans are killing innocent people in the ME, the current federal banking system is corrupt and unfeasible to Americans, and that the George Bush's family rapes little children)

I would say that all of these claims have enough circumstantial evidence behind them to warrant a serious independent investigation, and even if they didn't, there is no law against "conspiracy theory", at least not yet...

The police and FBI also failed to read Raub his Miranda Rights. Could this be one of the first public instances of the enforcement of NDAA detainment provisions against a U.S. citizen as a so called "domestic terrorist"?  You know, those detainment provisions that Neo-Cons and Neo-Libs alike claim "don't exist"?

My question for the statist slaves is, how soon will it be before they get to you?  Do you really believe your complacency and apathy will save you?  Has that kind of philosophy saved any slave under any other tyranny of the past?  This is NOT a free country anymore, and if we do not act to defend each individual who suffers under the weight of bureaucratic oppression, then everyone will lose everything.  It is time to pick a side.

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Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:32 | 2718312 diogeneslaertius
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digital gestapo in full effect via the NSA front Faceboob

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:43 | 2718348 neptunium
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That's because typical ZH'ers believe the world is run by a conspiracy of superhuman jewish/reptillian/shapeshifting/socialist/capitalist/whatvers. 


In fact most people here are so far gone that I'm surprised they've not yet migrated to David Icke's forums where their views don't (occasionally) get trashed.


Apart from anything else, I reject these viewpoints because they are crass simplifications of what is a complex system of human interaction that needs no particular conspiracy to explain it (other than any other behavioural actions typical of social primates), simplifications that are designed to enthrall mouthbreathing neckbeards long enough to earn some ad-revenue from them in the few minutes of downtime they have between masturbating.


And Junk all you want, who gives a fuck  : ) 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:04 | 2718427 lakecity55
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Icke is hardly a serious researcher.

Junked you is.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:06 | 2718437 neptunium
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Oh the humanity ! ! 


The difference between Icke and any other NWO fantasist is one of degree and not of kind ; ) 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:22 | 2718600 LetThemEatRand
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What you suffer from is called "normalcy bias."  For example, most people cannot even allow themselves to consider that 9/11 was an inside job.  Normalcy bias dictates that it is literally impossible that anyone in high places in our government would intentionally cause it or allow it to happen, or that they could get away with lying about it.  So people with this condition don't read about the evidence that exists, they don't think it's odd that passports for the supposed hijackers were found in the rubble but that everything else was vaporized, they don't think it is strange that two steel structures pancaked like a perfect demolition project, they don't think it is odd that a building that housed sensitive government information and that was not struck by any plane pancaked perfectly as well (or they don't even know about 47 story building 7 or that it collapsed perfectly in its own footprint), they think it's coincidental that Rumsfield announced the day before the attack that the Pentagon was missing over two trillion dollars, and they call anyone who even considers these things to be a sign of something greater to be a nut.   


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:12 | 2718708 neptunium
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No I looked at the available evidence, from crackpots being given time on the media to talk about "nanothermite". 


Look I'm quite sure you could construct a rational argument as to why you believe the Loch Ness monster exists, the only way to discover the truth is to weigh available evidence, I've seen very good structural analysis of the failure modes from both towers, to me it is actually a miracle they held up so long and that so many escaped, either way, you choose to believe what you want, you prefer the conspiracy theory, some people like to believe aliens exist, it's fine, just don't assert that you are impartial in the matter ;  ) 



Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:30 | 2718747 francis_sawyer
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One of my personal favorites


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 20:59 | 2719306 Reptil
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You sir, are a very devious troll, or an inane baboon.

Go fuck yourself, you clown. Anyone with half a brain and internet access could've found out by now that it's all been a setup. ESPECIALLY if you read and even post on ZH.

So you're a fascist mole, a troll. Well, you'll remember this day when your children have thyroïd lumps and your wife has been raped by some higher up fascists.




Sun, 08/19/2012 - 22:23 | 2719536 LetThemEatRand
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" I've seen very good structural analysis of the failure modes from both towers..."

First, I don't believe you've seen anything beyond the official explanation, which more than 1000 architects and engineers assert is bunk.  For example, the official investigation found no evidence of explosives, which sounds pretty convincing until you realize -- wait for it -- that they did not test for explosives.  Look it up.  Second, you conveniently omit reference to building 7, which collapsed with no impact from anything, and no jet fuel, etc.   Third, anyone who would equate the mountain of scientific evidence that 9/11 was an inside job to the lochness monster, is deliberately attempting to marginalize the discussion for the sake of any casual readers.  

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 00:18 | 2719766 Seer
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Say whatever you want.  Believe whatever you WANT to believe, but the FACT is is that those buildings experienced free-fall speed.  IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS, PHYSICS/MOTHER NATURE PROVIDED THE REAL PICTURE.

If you don't believe in gravity then you surely wouldn't mind if you were thrown off of a cliff?

Two "words": Operation Northwoods

I.F. Stone: ALL governments lie (US govt either lied because it was taking money for "protecting" us and it FAILED [cover up for incompetence of graft]; or, it was involved - these are the ONLY two possibilities).

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:21 | 2718725 CompassionateFascist
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@Neptune: get yourself a copy of GESTAPO CHIEF: THE 1948 (OSS) INTERROGATION OF HEINRICH MUELLER (San Jose, 1995), Vol. II. Among other interesting documents, it includes (pp. 42-55; 246-52) the German intercept/descramble of a 26 November 1941 trans-Atlantic radio-telehone conversation between Churchill and Roosevelt. Subject: a detailed discussion of the upcoming Jap attack on Pearl Harbor, and how to play it. This is how the world is run. Then and Now. And this is how they run it. 12/7 = 9/11.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:26 | 2718737 neptunium
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You're a gullable tool if that is the level of cryptohistorical evidence required to convince you.


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 17:48 | 2718914 CompassionateFascist
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What you know about Pearl Harbor - and related topics - I could shove under a fingernail. 8 hours after the intercept, Navy Dept cut prelim orders to Kimmel to get the ships that mattered - the two Carrier Battle Groups - out of harbor via bogus airplane ferry missions to Wake and Midway. During an exchange of e-mails with Pacific War expert John Lundstrom on precisely this issue - timing of the orders - he suggested that I "stay away from this dangerous topic". You lose, regime tool.   

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 19:05 | 2719063 neptunium
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Herpaderpaderp, I loved the "transcripts" of WC and FDR, they were written with all the believability of someone writing Star Wars fanfiction. They've been debunked as frauds and given the author has about as much credibility as you that wasn't hard.


And yes I'm sure you're just too close to the razor-edge of truth, yes, soon they'll come for you, luckily however it will more likely be to medicate you. Stay away from this dangerous topic you awesome renegade. 



Mon, 08/20/2012 - 02:55 | 2719884 FreedomGuy
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I suffer from a rational bias. I actually have an engineering degree although I do not design buildings that large. It is most likely they will pancake. It has to do with mass, design, sheer size and the nature of the failure. Building do not fall over like the toy ones you made as a kid. You have to have an unusual pattern of destruction for them to fall over their own midpoints. You have probably seen photos of bombings in WW2. Notice how few buildings fall over. They collapse.

I have watched various analyses and I tend to believe things are as presented. It would take an incredibly clever conspiracy of idiots to pull this off. These terrorists were not geniuses. The other planes hit the Pentagon and presumably Congress. Exactly what is the conspiracy?

The government can easily destroy its own secret information without collapsing buildings and invading two foreign countries.

Like Occhams razor I will take the simplest explanation and that is where the evidence is.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:06 | 2718436 Dr Benway
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If you have a space where people share ideas in a truly free and uncensored way, there will be some ideas that you find strange.


What ZH puts into contrast is how utterly mainstreamed, non-dissenting and censored MSM is.


Also, the people with the strongest opinions will often be the most vocal, so it may seem everyone here believes in shapeshifters.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:44 | 2718554 neptunium
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Good comment but the problem as far as I can see is that most people lack the ability to discriminate between fact and fiction, there is perhaps an inate ability of humans to ascribe anything too complex for them to understand as "myth" - when explosed to the NWO-type conspiracies many people simply don't have the intellectual capability to see a more complex reality, therefore:

The world is corrupt and full of people who are greedy and powerful = these must be superhumans collaborating towards our downfall. Unfortunately the problem with NWO theories (and any other scapegoats in history) is that people conveniently detach themselves from the system they hope to describe - i.e. they don't see their own connection to it. 



Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:07 | 2718593 Terminus C
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You raise a valid point about information processing, it is very difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff, however:

A quick read of history shows that the entirety of human existence has been and still is "driven by conspiracy".  Corporations are conspiracies to generate wealth and power for shareholders.  Governments are conspiracies to generate wealth and power citizens (we see good governments who try and do this for the majority of its citizens and bad governments who do it for the few).

Wars are conspiracy, trade deals are conspiracy etc... etc... and many, if not most, conspiracies harm those, not "in the know".  This is why we spend so much time on this site "speculating" about various conspiracies (political and economic) because we seek to protect ourselves and get as "in the know" as possible so that we can, if possible, benefit from said conspiracy or at least mitigate the damage caused to us.  You speak of complexity and deride the "simplistic" nature of the comments here but you fall victim to the same.  To assume there are no conspiracies of powerful men attempting to change the world in a massive way for their own benefit is to close your eyes to the lessons of all human history.


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:25 | 2718632 neptunium
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There are conspiracies of sorts, but it's the notion that they exist as separate entities from the rest of society that troubles me..


I remember not long ago at all it was all the rage to be a property tycoon, cheap mortgage rates combined with available credit and a bubble produced the perfect storm for people to exploit for their own ends "buy to let" schemes - they became little oligarchs and it became normal to discuss and boast about one's good fortunes, the point being that when exposed to easy money we are (generally) all easily enticed by self-enrichment. 

You can not separate the small fish from the big fish, they all take part in the same ecosystem, and only knowledge and understanding of the system itself raises any possibility of changing this - the "1 percent" as it has been coined is a fallacy that unfortunately also acts as a scapegoat for those wanting a simplistic way of attributing blame for the financial situation on those in banking as opposed to those who actually provide the retail banking deposits that can be frivolously reinvested. 

And that is my problem with all of these things, they all have a whiff of scapegoat about them that is ultimately counterproductive, asserting bankers and politicians as untouchable masters of all they survey only diminishes a real understanding of the true complexities.



Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:42 | 2718662 Terminus C
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You can not separate the small fish from the big fish, they all take part in the same ecosystem

This is true, but those "in the know" made a lot more money off of that gambit than those outside.  The small fish you describe are those who are outside.  If they did not truly understand the ecosystem (the rules of their environment... aka in the know) then they got eaten (or if they did not get eaten it was because they were lucky, not because they were smart... smart is "in the know").

Had a real estate investor questioned "who benefits most from easy money policies and what has always followed easy money policies in the past" then they would have been safer.  People who came out in 2004-2005 and claimed real estate was in an "easy money" created bubble were considered "conspiracy theorists" and were drowned out by the endless droning of the MSM.  I am not sure why you are arguing against this.

You point, as I see it, is that there are a lot of theories about how the world works and what is really going on.  Many of them are based on a small number of facts that get extrapolated.  In some cases the extrapolation goes to absurd levels.  However, there are many things, like manipulated markets and political manipulation (to fight a war for example), that have large bodies of facts that support these theories.  Dismiss these as a "conspiracy theory" to your own peril.


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:55 | 2718678 Dr Benway
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Well put! The way I see it, using Occam's Razor there is no need for an explicit global conspiracy cabal to explain the observed phenomena. Skewed incentives, game theory and individuals acting rationally from a personal perspective can explain it, IMO.


But the reason for the rise in conspiracy theories is the fact that the government DOES lie about many things. So when people realize this, they assume the government must be lying about everything. And where does it end? Shapeshifters.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:15 | 2718714 neptunium
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Both excellent points, but if you look at the "up and down votes" respectively in this conversation you can see quite clearly that most people are very much in favour of 9-11 being an inside job, presumably the same would go with the moon landings (I've seen such comments get +20 -0) hence my original assertion that ZH is frequented by paranoid dimwits, at least the stories that don't have too many complex graphs : ) 


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:20 | 2718727 neptunium
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You point, as I see it, is that there are a lot of theories about how the world works and what is really going on.  Many of them are based on a small number of facts that get extrapolated.  In some cases the extrapolation goes to absurd levels.  However, there are many things, like manipulated markets and political manipulation (to fight a war for example), that have large bodies of facts that support these theories.  Dismiss these as a "conspiracy theory" to your own peril.


Exactly what I'm saying - the simplified extremes "everything is controlled by x" drown out reasonable arguments that are ultimately still better explained by mutual or individual vested interests. The problem is that it tends to be the extremes that people latch on to, that become memes in their own right, that make it easy not to actually do the research and find a convenient scapegoat for their own (or societal) failings at the same time : ) 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:56 | 2718811 KK Tipton
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"the simplified extremes "everything is controlled by x" drown out reasonable arguments that are ultimately still better explained by mutual or individual vested interests. The problem is that it tends to be the extremes that people latch on to, that become memes in their own right,"


Some of the "simplified extremes" are actually manufactured and fostered/promoted by specific factions.
If you take the bait...the creators/promoters are all too happy to let you run with it.

Example: Almost *all* UFO evidence. The US Govt actively promoted disinformation in this realm.
Led to actual deaths in some cases.

The "vested interests" indeed. Those are always the problem.

These sickos need to prey upon each other.....leave the rest of us out of it.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 17:22 | 2718859 XitSam
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<- 9/11 was inside job, prepper, gold/silver

<- 9/11 was inside job, prepping is stupid

Just curious as to which way the 9/11 crowd leans with regards to prepping.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 03:00 | 2719887 FreedomGuy
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Finally, a rationalist. Seems that once you become a conspiracy theorest...every damn thing is a conspiracy and not a thing can be as it seems. Nothing can be without conspiracy. Don't you think somewhere, somehow one inside person would rat out the conspiracy?

What is usually present are common interests and the simple conspiracies or manipulations are more plausible...such as bribing your local Congressman with large donations to make him/her more aware of your issue. Obama saves GM because he needs union votes. Those are fairly rational.

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 11:14 | 2720547 Cosimo de Medici
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You might be part way to the answer.

Take something quite possible, e.g., Obama will release oil from the strategic reserve shortly before the election, then label it a "conspiracy".  If and when Obama does this electioneering move, announce that "yet another conspiracy has been proven true".  Follow this---the thing YOU labelled a conspiracy---with the conclusion "therefore all conspiracies are true".  That is a favorite bit of Euclidean illogic on this site, in which even one of the Tylers engages, though that might well be intentional click baiting.

Amusing as many of the wingnuts on this site are, it keeps things in perspective to note that most are unemployed or severely redundant, on disability insurance, probably on medication, and fanbois of the likes of David Icke, Alex Jones, & Brandon Smith, who collectively have clear access only to their own asses, from which they pull their material.  Conspiracies just give them a reason to be and let them feel alive.  Humor them.  They're completely impotent.


Tue, 08/21/2012 - 02:38 | 2722936 FreedomGuy
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Good point, Medici. It struck me as I read the various conspiracies that they in fact become what atheists make fun of...religionists. The idea is that many religions try to explain what they cannot explain with invisible forces. Therefore fairies, leprechauns, evil spirits are the invisible prime force. So, the conspiracy theorists have people and organizations that are every bit as invisible as fairies, very powerful and always malevolent. It becomes a religion of sorts.

I do believe there are conspiracies of common interests. You could make rational arguments about the Fed, bankers and central banks worldwide. However, they are not so shadowy and the reasons for their actions is not too hard to understand. This is different from presuming an elusive Illuminati and then attaching everyone including Ron Paul to it.

It almost reminds me of trying to find bigfoot.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 21:07 | 2719200 Element
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neptunium - And that is my problem with all of these things, they all have a whiff of scapegoat about them that is ultimately counterproductive, asserting bankers and politicians as untouchable masters of all they survey only diminishes a real understanding of the true complexities.


Yes, but you then plunge into the naive stream of auto-presumptions, that fraud and graft are not commonplace, and that corruption, conspiracy and cover-ups are rare things, when they are in fact not uncommon at all.  They're so routine and normalised that they're hidden in plain-sight, and go almost unquestioned and unaccounted for.

So one of the major problems in the US (this is coming from a foreigner BTW ... thank christ!) is that not nearly enough people realise that the chambers on "The Hill" are nothing but big-money conspiracies, in dynamic operation, in plain sight, calling itself a Govt for the people by the people ... ha! ... yeaaaah.

People are taught it's actually desirable to have this crap, that its not at all a conspiracy, so inculcated and unchallenged has it become, and so abundantly provisioned with MSM lackeys and stooges, spinning its requires daily lies, that it just goes on and on, as it was cynically intended and gamed to do so.

While smarmy pragmatic condescending intelligent ones spend time trying to convince others even a zh that there ain't really a problem here, if you'd just take it into proper consideration, consider the full spectrum of the dynamics, and especially if you're smart enough to like, 'get it'.

Uh-huh, right ... and thanks for the 'enlightenment'.

And what was all that bilious crap about not being able to see our part in it all?  Or to reason clearly and sufficiently to evaluate the balance of key facts of a matter, to determine if it's a conspiracy, and facts from fictions? ... ok, ... and so who do you think you're kidding here? ... and where the fuck do you think you're at again?

There's maybe just enough brains within zh to forego your worthy mainstream but strangely doctrinaire insights, but it's sure nice to have you come and condescend to us, and straighten us to right on the fundamentals of thought, and critical examination of issues and facts.

So well done, and we're all eternally grateful but on yer bike now noddy, pretty sure we can cope without the intellectual trainer-wheels.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 23:24 | 2719672 OneTinSoldier66
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The Bankers got bailed out, we got sold out. The Government sold us down the river to the banksters.


I'm not looking for any scapegoat. I'm looking to see if Jon Corzine, for example, is ever going to... get touched.



Mon, 08/20/2012 - 01:04 | 2719805 Seer
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"You can not separate the small fish from the big fish, they all take part in the same ecosystem, and only knowledge and understanding of the system itself raises any possibility of changing this - the "1 percent" as it has been coined is a fallacy that unfortunately also acts as a scapegoat for those wanting a simplistic way of attributing blame for the financial situation on those in banking as opposed to those who actually provide the retail banking deposits that can be frivolously reinvested."

Big fish, small fish... humans are OF nature, and nature is all about deception.  This we could likely agree on.  But...

I don't think that "scapegoating" is the umbrella [word] that you suggest it is.  If you have a group of people charging off toward the cliff's ledge, led there by "leaders" [the "1 percent" as you bring up], and several people jump up and point out that the herd, as driven by the "1 percent," is heading for trouble I'd hardly call it "scapegoating."

There's a difference between warning [out of no intent to garner specific personal advantage] and scapegoating [which is meant to cover self-deficiencies/garner personal advantage].

As you seem to suggest, it's The System.  And given that the System is based on growth, PERPETUAL growth on a finite planet, NOTHING is going to correct this essential premise: remove it and you no longer have The System.  That is the Great Deception that humans have brought upon themselves.  It has been the "1 percenters" who have handed down this mantra since the beginning of time: it allows them to live off the labors of others (while being in the position of command- pretty good gig if you can get it [nearly always requires being born in the right family and in the right country/nation]).

TPTB, whether engaged in any conspiracy or not, believe they are to carry out their place, and when Mother Nature doesn't provide the physical necessities (for basics and for commerce) then their positions of authority diminishes and the threat from the un-washed masses starts becoming real.

I've had countless discussions over the NWO.  I spend no energies fighting any such thing because I know that it cannot exist due to insufficient energy to hold such a huge structure together.  I have no idea what nefarious or benevolent attitudes could exist behind that "curtain," and, frankly, it doesn't matter because it won't happen.  BUT, as much as I don't like to engage in these discussions it doesn't mean it's because I don't believe that any such thing could exist (the idea of an NWO, of there being a conspiracy to create one- I often defend the LOGIC of entities like the Fed in making it tough for people to figure out what they're doing, as telegraphing what they are going to do is a sure bet that it's NOT going to work [not that there's anything they can do, but the GAME says that they're not supposed to give their hand away, which would, I suppose, be insider-trading stuff (again, I have NO idea whether they are or aren't, only that on the side of benevolence they would tend to NOT do so)]).

I don't believe in the blanket statement of it all being counterproductive because there are lessons in all of it, lessons that future generations, if you really do believe in pushing toward true knowledge, would benefit from understanding [at least being advised on what NOT to do].  No, I don't believe that you need to chase down the Rabbit Hole, which may be what you're really concerned with: I knew someone who was on pace to totally write the entire history of the US in order to identify all the villains (and, yes, there most certainly ARE plenty); by the time you've written your current chapter "they" will have created enough material [left enough crumbs] to write two more.  It is Their System, and if you don't like it the only real recourse is to, as Buckminster Fuller put it, create a totally separate system and make Theirs obsolete (otherwise you are, as you note, still in The pond).

The only complexities in life center on where life came from, what it is, and where it will end.  Otherwise: Food, Shelter and Water- pretty simple.  Anything else one ascribes "complexity" to is more about deception: confusion through obfuscation- "the gods I talk to do not grant you the 'knowledge,' they do not allow for you to question me."

Mon, 08/20/2012 - 05:47 | 2719968 Reptil
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"the fish rots from the head"

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:31 | 2718520 UGrev
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This post can be summed up in the following way: 

The TV show "V" was a TV show, you fucking clowns.. 

...and the assholes that are trying to control you are septaguarnarians and octagenarians with delusions of grandure and a desire to control you because they couldn't control anything their own lives which they blamed on "you". So suck it up, grow some balls and send those douche bags packing. 

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:07 | 2718441 monoloco
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We all might end up being future cellies. Pass me a spork, please.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 15:18 | 2718618 jumbo maverick
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What do they have in store for you?
Face cage with a hungry rat in it. 2+ 2=

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:16 | 2718251 Red Heeler
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Thanks to NDAA it's entirely possible that we'll never hear from this guy again.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:21 | 2718268 francis_sawyer
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Here's someone who we definitely won't be hearing from again...


Irish heroine of Batman shooting spree drowns

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:26 | 2718284 Red Heeler
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She knew too much.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:02 | 2718419 lakecity55
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Yep. She heard too much from the victims' description of the event's facts and had to go.

I'd wait and see how many more first responders begin meeting with statistically improbable "accidents."

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 22:23 | 2719535 Bringin It
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Hospital ER staff could have seen a lot of inconsistencies.  With one gone the others will forget what they knew?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:33 | 2718316 diogeneslaertius
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she couldve talked and thus was suicided WOOPS!

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:21 | 2718261 TomGa
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The right of citizens to protest openly and freely is our contry's proverbial "canary in the coalmine."  When we see that right curtailed, we know the death of our republic will soon be at hand.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:32 | 2718309 Gully Foyle
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Have you ever read any American history?

Open protest has been not only frowned upon but severely punished since virtually day one.

Spend some time researching US troops firing on protesting miners and railroad workers, or '68 Chicago.

Must be nice to still have illusions about the US.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:41 | 2718331 TomGa
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Which part of "death of our republic" is an illusion?


("country" btw. Darn that edit button.)

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:13 | 2718466 Gully Foyle
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Which part of READ confuses you?

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:44 | 2718352 Ricky Bobby
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 Hey Gully since you are a statist troll will I get arrested for saying FUCK YOU AND YOUR BOLD TEXT! 


Sun, 08/19/2012 - 14:09 | 2718448's picture

You've opened yourself up to CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 16:28 | 2718739 CompassionateFascist
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Bold text is good. Italicized bold text is better.

Sun, 08/19/2012 - 13:47 | 2718367 GeezerGeek
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What happened during the Democrat convention in Chicago in 1968 was hardly a peaceful assembly no matter which side one was on. The protestors were not petitioning for redress of grievances.

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