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Guest Post: The Trouble with Rand Paul
Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics,
Rand Paul just endorsed a man who is deeply hostile to human liberty.
Perhaps that’s Rand’s idea of playing politics? Come to the table, strike a deal, get what you can. Trouble is, it’s tough striking a good deal when the guy on the other side of the table believes that the government should be allowed to claim — without having to produce any evidence whatsoever — that certain people are terrorists, and therefore should be detained indefinitely without any kind of due process.
That’s textbook tyranny.
Yes, I would have [signed the NDAA]. And I do believe that it is appropriate to have in our nation the capacity to detain people who are threats to this country, who are members of al Qaeda. Look, you have every right in this country to protest and to express your views on a wide range of issues but you don’t have a right to join a group that has killed Americans, and has declared war against America. That’s treason. In this country we have a right to take those people and put them in jail. If I were president I would not abuse this power. But people who join al Qaeda are not entitled to rights of due process under our normal legal code. They are entitled instead to be treated as enemy combatants.
Mitt Romney
Except, if the government had any evidence they were really members of al-Qaeda and engaged in a war against America they could be charged with offenses under current laws and tried in front of a jury of their peers. As was proven when Judge Katherine Forrest struck down the indefinite detention provision of the NDAA as unconstitutional, the real detention targets are people like the ones who brought the case — writers, investigative journalist and whistleblowers: people like Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Daniel Ellsberg, Jennifer Bolen, and Birgitta Jonsdottir.
Rand Paul might have done some good work trying to filibuster the Patriot Act, but endorsing Mitt Romney goes beyond the pale. The NDAA is Romney’s most egregious transgression against liberty, but not far behind are his desire to start a war against Iran, to increase military spending, to start a trade war with China and his belief that corporations are people.
I know I will never agree with any politician on every single dimension of every single issue, and that to some extent politics will always involve compromise. Certainly, I disagree with Ron Paul on some issues. But Mitt Romney’s stances on these issues seem much, much, much closer to Barack Obama than they do to Ron Paul. In fact, he might as well have endorsed Obama for President.
And the Ron Paul supporters are noticing: Rand has probably burnt most bridges to his Father’s supporters now. His Facebook page has seen a huge outpouring of fury:
Just lost a lot of faith in a man I otherwise adored.
You suck Rand! Traitor!
That’s why this country is doomed! Even the person you trust is a sell-out. I’m done with politics, people deserve what they get. Let the country run itself to the ground, and still people will not understand what freedom and self-responsibility is about. People want big gov’t, big brother every step of the way. Well, they got it. The rest of us, might as well try to move to another country or find an island and move there.
I knew I’d never vote for Mitt… Now I know I’ll never vote for Rand.
He has fully sold out to the bankers
Endorsing Romney is tantamount to an utter sell-out of conservative principles.
Did George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison try to compromise with King George? Or — when it became obvious that they were facing tyranny — did they stand up for the principles of liberty?
I have always been uncomfortable with the children of politicians becoming politicians. Every anointed child feels like a step away from meritocracy. Dynasties are dangerous, because the dynasty itself comes to be more important than the qualities of the politicians. Who would Rand Paul be if he wasn’t Ron Paul’s son? Just another neocon. Neocons often have a few “unfashionable” libertarian or constitutionalist sympathies; look at Charles Krauthammer. But — unlike Ron Paul — the neocon never has the spine to do much about their libertarian or constitutionalist sympathies. They just ride on the establishment steamroller, into foreign occupations, empire building, corporate welfare, and banking bailouts. Into Iraq, and soon into Iran.
Rand Paul just got on the steamroller.
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For God's sake.
The interstate system transformed our country and enabled private commerce to a degree never before imagined. And the property owners who had to give up a few yards of land were richly rewarded.
Go fucking learn some fucking history.
And think about this..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GD0xgD9f5Fk
I have to wonder if either one of you, nmewn or LTER, believe that 911 was an inside job. Because if you don't, both systems have failed to give you proper critical thinking skills.
But I can give you that history lesson if that's the case.
Tell all the down vote fuckers to go fuck themselves.
9.11 was an inside job.The evidence is overwhelming.
9/11 Inside Job???
Nonsense! On this 45th anniversary of the glorious Israeli assault on the USS Liberty, let us not marginalize Mossad and their most daring clandestine operation in history.
Long Live Israel Bitchez!
I'll let the Liberty thing go if you'll take out this LTER fucker
Sorry fucking homeland security.
Bitch.
This isn't an argument. I am laughing at vermin. Squealing scurrying vermin
yeah if you can't win an argument, just kill the person making it. LOL. and again...you believe in free what? markets was that?
So you believe that your beloved government used redistrubted wealth to kill thousands of your fellow Americans and yet you demand that the government be given even more money and power? That's true genius.
You have no fucking idea what I believe, but keep with the simple. It suits you.
The fact that I don't know what you believe and you don't know what I believe is why freedom is necessary to the health and well being of the individual human animal. Your grand system of central planning only works if the regulators can know all the intimate details of the lives of millions of individuals which, of course, they can't.
Ain't it funnyh how the feeling goes. away.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAK5Ids7l5g
Thank you LTER. I will now be much more patient with you (though I have already been trying). I can see that you are a rational person. Please remember this sincere recognition upon our next spat (which I'm sure will eventualize).
This is my litmus test (or at least the most important one). I think it's the best measuring stick, currently, regarding whether or not I should continue to interact with someone.
my litmus test includes recognizing the financial disaster as an inside job as well.
blaming sub-prime lending for the crisis is like blaming the Wright Brothers for 9/11.
+1 Benjamin
Clashfan - notice nmewn disappeared. For the record, nmewn is here to claim to be a true believer in the official conspiracy story, including that 2 planes brought down 3 buildings, there were no controlled demolitions, etc.
I'm not sure he's the original nmewn. Go back and look. The original nmewn was much more of a block-head.
TY, Bringing It. I'll take your word for it.
Cool SN, btw.
"notice nmewn disappeared"
Fucking troll, I shot off some fireworks, had a snack and went to bed if you must know...and you have the distinction of being my first personal troll. But at least you've learned to spell my name right over time.
Now you are here to get me involved in another 911 debate because you have a few idiots here in the comments to down arrow me (as if I care) who believe the truther shit of Tarpley (Geopol), GW's yellow jounalism and the rest of the unproven, speculatory bilge spewed about.
Because it's impossible for you to reconcile in your mind all the evidence that points to something other than what you believe...it must be some well coordinated, detailed, intricate conspiracy involving hundreds if not thousands of moving parts, timelines, government employees and communiques.
How do you reconcile Todd Beamer and his flight? How do you reconcile amatuer pilots, flying jumbo jets, hitting precisely where demolition charges were pre-planted, survived impact, then detonated?
So you are left clutching at the two planes-three buildings meme...whatever, hold it tight to your breast.
The only conspiracy here is the cover up of the gross incompetence of those federal employees (Jamie Gorelick chief among them), who can't seem to balance a simple checkbook yet are mastermind Dr.Evil-James Bond types...lol...yeah, sure.
You live in your fantasy world I'll stay in the real one.
'19 guys with boxcutters' is conspiracy.
just so you know. ;)
Nmewn unfortunately spouts, "How do you reconcile amatuer pilots, flying jumbo jets, hitting precisely where demolition charges were pre-planted, survived impact, then detonated?" Hello? Remote control? The ultimate in "pre-planning?" And straw man? Demolition charges were planted all over the buildings, not just where the planes hit.
This is why I use this as a litmus test. I notice the ad hominems flying with wonton abrasion in his post, too. Disappointing.
Disappointing, but typical nememwn.
A true multiple personality in that he is rational ... but he is not
who believe the truther shit of Tarpley (Geopol), GW's yellow jounalism and the rest of the unproven, speculatory bilge spewed about.
You live in your fantasy world I'll stay in the real one.
HAHAHAHAHAHA naive!!!! Your world of reality, Obama, Federal Reserve, Goldman, JPM.... Please re-disappear yourself!!
A 40 story building collapses in NY NY and The Kean / Hamilton commission never mentioned it,,,ha That's your reality.... Go with it as you are steeped in the quagmire of delusional and potent for you, government propaganda...
Two years eleven weeks and you still don't get it....Now your tiring me out !!!
At a deeper level, closer to the heart of the matter, the Kean-Hamilton has failed to indict the real September criminals. It leaves untouched the network of moles in the US government without whose efforts, both in preparation and in coverup, the events of 9/11 could never have happened. It has not identified the clandestine command center which directed the operation. It has taken not one step towards locating the technocrats of death who actually had the physical and technical capability to make these events happen, in contrast to the supermarket-caliber terrorists who are supposed to have caused them. All of these networks remain in place, and remain anxious to avoid detection.
The September criminals and their project, the clash of civilizations in the form of a new Thirty Years War, remain at large, their desperation magnified, but their power undiminished.
Think of this when you hear the strident clatter of the any regime as it warns the public that a new wave of terror attacks, quite possibly using weapons of mass destruction of the atomic, bacteriological and chemical varieties, is inevitable.. The government has failed us, and the Kean-Hamilton Commission has failed us, before, during and after 9/11. The September criminals remain in place, with every intention of striking again, then to take cover behind the shield of martial law.
We are opposed to terrorism. We seek to prevent a new wave of terrorism. We want to identify the September criminals and bring them to justice, because no one has laid a glove on them so far. We have no illusions about the psychotic Arab patsies whose antics are being used to cover up what was in reality a coup d’etat made in the USA, a coup d’etat not against the Presidency but in favor of a specific policy, that of the clash of civilizations.
We condemn terrorism because terrorism is the means used by oligarchs to wage secret war against the people. But the terrorism we fight is the real terrorism of the real world, not the idiotic distortions dished up by the regime and the media.
The official 9/11 account has by now taken on all the characteristics of a myth. In the minds of many, credulousness in regard to the myth has taken on the overtones of religious sanctity. It has taken root deeply in the dark places of the American mind. The myth is a sensitive subject, hedged round with powerful reaction formations and fearful taboos. Challenge these and the subject will often respond with irrational anger and indignation. Nevertheless, the fact remains: the official version has never been proved. It is an unproven assertion, and in the end a myth. Attempts to base an entire world order on unproven assertions and lies did not fare well in the twentieth century: the war guilt clause of the Versailles Treaty of 1919, which assigned exclusive responsibility for the war to Germany and her allies, while completely exonerating the Allies, was intended as a means to extort some 55 billion gold dollars in reparations. But it turned out to be the key to Hitler’s successful demagogy, and generally one of the main causes for fascism, Nazism, and World War II. Let us not build our political house on unproven assertions.
Indeed, we should recall that it was the Nazis themselves who avidly embraced myth as the basis for politics: the official chief ideologist of the Nazi movement was Alfred Rosenberg, and his famous work was The Myth of the Twentieth Century. The story of Osama in the distant cave is already the myth of the twenty-first century.
the nmewn troll is of the hasbarat variety, so what did you expect? if you want to know what nmewn "thinks" about 9/11, just turn on the boob tube.
unsurprisingly, he also has a huge military fetish which factors in, as if the military isn't a socialist/statist institution. he's quite confused.
he was probably busy playing with his GI Joe action figures when you first posted that.
Ty, Psychobilly. I think it's a good test for highlighting the suspiciousness of others on the net. If someone is defending large chunks of the official, farcical version of events, that someone is suspicious to me. There's either some cognitive dissonance going on or something more nefarious.
It would have been done in half the time at half the cost if the Fedgov was not involved.
There is a highway bi-pass under construction in my county. It has been three years and is waaaay over budget and has completely missed the completion date. The union extortionists work around 7 hours per day, no weekends nights or holidays. They have signal sign holders making $60 an hour. All workers must be Union! My neighbor, who is a foreman, just hired his kid for the summer as a laborer, $34 bucks an hour to start! A non-union company would have worked 24/7 and it would have been completed years ago, far cheaper. There is a lovely sign thanking Obama by name for his "stimulus".
'It would have been done in half the time at half the cost if the Fedgov was not involved."
Except it wasn't.
Yeah and we have you and your ilk to thank for that.
Thank you Socialists for ruining my once-fair country
You mean the 'once fair country' that you stole from the native Indians yes?
So where does the 'my ' come into this?
Surely it should read 'Thank you Socialists for ruining this once-fair country that we stole from someone else" should it not?
so who've you got to thank for what then squatter?
Er hang on, shouldn't you be dead by now?
I'll go back to my country if you'll go back to your country Bibi.
Funny how you get standing ovations in my Senate though. Almost as if they work for you not for me?
Talk about squatters and conquest, look in the mirror you fvcking hypocrite
You can't even fucking spell it. A little too keen to criticise me thinks, it was after all, a serious question.
On that subject of hypocrisy you keep raising, which seems to be defined as 'something that applies to everyone else but me', what happened to the 'Give me Liberty, or give me death' bullshit you keep banging on about?
or let me guess, was it ''Give me Liberty, or give everyone else death'. Or were you perhaps just trying to incite others to go and die for something you're only prepared to gob off about, a lot eh?
Perhaps you'd be good enough to let us know some of the really good things you've been doing to obtain this 'Liberty' and avoid this 'death' bit or will you now just admit it was all, as I suspected at the time, nothing but pure what's the descriptive words for this, ah yes, 'lame arsed spew', something we've come to expect from you now that it's becoming evident that death is a little too inconvenient and costly for you, but clearly not for others, and maybe 'Liberty' ain't quite worth it after all?
But then what I have gathered from your rantings so far is that you probably couldn't even define it...
so, best to call everyone a hypocrite again and hope nobody notices your little failings eh...
But that doesn't work because the instant you start typing we can tell that you're still here unfortunately, and that death will just have to wait for another day... I take it the double edged axe trick I suggested yesterday didn't work then, or did you run at it so fast you missed?
Yeah I missed. But I applaud you for consistency in continuing to mock the words of Patrick Henry. Why not carry it through and mock all the Founding Fathers of my country? What do you think of my personal heroes George Washington and Thomas Jefferson? "Banging on About?" Are you British? What is Banging on about? (not that I care what you say) gob off? where do they talk like that?
"Let us know?" Who is "us" you troll? Who is "us" you and the knesset?
"Something we've come to expect" who is "we" troll? You are some Commie outsider who is "us" you have no support or interest in your posts
George Washington was a slaver. Jefferson was a slaver. Hancock was a celebrated smuggler. Hamilton wasn't even fucking born there and Madison too, was a slaver.
You don't need to go too far to read up on the bullshit if you must. By all accounts, the MSM was just as active back then as it is now, if in a different form. Oh the hand wringing about freedom, and for the black man too, oh the calls for freedom for all enshrined in law and a Bill of Rights for everyone except those they could get away with excluding, which fortunately, just like everything else resulted in just enough freedom for all colonials to not interfere with their way of life and let's not forget their profits either eh. Charles Lynch actually had the gall to ask the new post Revolutionary govt to specifically exonerate him from any liability for illegally incarcerating British supporters during the war. Apparently he didn't want to be sued for inflicting all this fairness and freedom on his fellow colonials. If the Revolution left us with nothing else it left us with the Lynch mob. How do you possibly expect any good to come from people like this? Some founding fathers eh. What fucking chance do you think these types of people have of ever producing any legal framework that actually works? None. zero. nada. How about 'fuck all squared'.
Nothing has changed in the colonies it seems, apart from the idiots and loons who think they're onto something with this 'Republic". You'd think they'd learn wouldn't you?
The words 'Give me Liberty or give me death' actually had some meaning for these people because had they failed, death is what they would have had at the hands of a British noose, and had they not succeeded, bankruptcy with the end of the slave trade would most certainly have followed. It appears these particular individuals had no choice to revolt, just needed to con all the other deluded rubes into thinking they all had some skin in the game as well eh? A bit like yourself it seems...
But therein lies another conundrum. On the one hand you argue for anarchy yet you seem to defend the Founding Fathers. Hypocrisy it seems. 'Give me Liberty or give me death' - these were your words written without any reference to anyone else and uttered in a debate about anarchy, an idea of which you were somewhat in support.
Now then, just to clear up, 'banging on about' refers to constantly banging your gums together and making no coherent sense, and 'gob off' means precisely that, running off at the gob, or mouth, like you do...
There, have we cleared that up now?
TY, Ookspay. Third comment tonight that almost made me spit beer on myself. I'm managing, though.
Cool SN, too. This site is a blast. Thanks again.
YW,
The Clash was such a big part of my college years; Iggy Pop, Sex pistols, Elvis C.. My Favorite Clash Tune...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be2pMMYNzQ8
Cheers -Ookspay
The highways were originally (and legitimately) built to help the military move around, which is absolutely within the confines of the constitution and in the spirit of liberty. But that doesn't matter because nowadays user fees - excises on gasoline and tolls - should be more than sufficient to maintain the roads and build new highways. Anyone who does not want to pay user fees has the option of not using the roads.
No matter I hate this argument because there is so much extraneous BS that the government does that would be far easier to get rid of before we have to talk about roads. "But who will build the roads" they say. So that justifies the layers upon layers of beauracracy, the war mongering, the corporate & international welfare, and the transfer payments that are the real cause of U.S. bankruptcy?
You're also not correct in labelling Ron Paul a corporatist. He has said that GM, the banks, etc. should have been allowed to fail in 2008. He advocates abolishing the Fed which is the ultimate instrument of corporatism. Obviously he has voted against (if there were even votes) corporate welfare programs that gave us Solyndra, Ener1, etc. Respecting the private property rights of a corporation does not a corporatist make. Advocating special priviliges and the alliance of government and corporations does. Ron Paul has never been that guy.
we have not paid back any debt since 1955. it's all been done with credit expansion.
The Interstate Highway System was originally an applied Defense program, actually, to connect all the bases in the country with REAL roads during a time when invasion was seriously considered and backup bombers' landing strips were needed in case the Soviets thought it a good idea to nuke our AF bases. The requirement for straightways of a certain length every x number of miles was built into the legislation. The congress converted it in short order to be a trucking support system, which indeed provides a lot of bang for the bucks. And then the dummies put the interstates smack into the middle of major cities instead of skirting them as was originally envisioned.
I think in time of war they still can be commandeered for military necessity. Personally, I think they should all be toll roads--user pays, no subsidy. With the new generation of transponders/bar code readers, I'd expect a resurgence of tolling to pay for upkeep and re-construction, since revenue-eating toll collectors would not be needed. Of course, that would push the big rigs onto the old, skinny roads through similarly small towns where the local constabulkary can ticket them for various offenses.
Let's hear it for digital dollars!
Funding of NASA which has created more jobs than you can count and entire technologies such as GPS that otherwise would not exist?
Redistribution.
Yeah, where WOULD we be without all those six figure paycheck scientists listening to radio static in the SETI program? ;)
I'm not against all taxes. I went to public school, which was paid for by taxes. I drive on roads, which were paid for by taxes. What I'm against is the gratuitous waste of the money that I pay in taxes. I'm against gold plated pensions for public servants who earn more in their 40 year retirement than I earn in my entire career. I'm against SSI disability for those who successfully game the system and could damn well work if they had to. I'm against my tax dollars being used to subsidize industries and businesses, which artificially raises prices and takes yet more of the dollars I bust my ass to earn. I don't advocate for NO tax...I advocate for LESS tax spent MORE wisely. So yeah, redistribute a little, but there have to be limits, and we, the taxpayers (the employers, in a sense) should damn well be allowed to say what those limits are.
We can agree on much of this.
At least half of your money goes to fund the MIC.
Ron Paul (though Not Rand apparently) opposed this.
I voted for Ron.
I will not vote for Rand.
all of our taxes, don't even pay for half of what the gov. spends
Brilliant.
Sorry, the double posting gremlin paid me a visit.
"....such as GPS that otherwise would not exist?"
The better to track you with Little Red Riding Hood. You have no proof that the GPS system, or something even better would not have come along, had Gummint not provided funding. Not for gubmint, we would have discovered tele-fucking-port-goddam-tation buy now you Statist asshat.
Don't come crying to me when your masters Lo-Jack your fucking sorry Statist ass.
/rant off.
You have a point here such that the proof is anecdotal wherein the Federal Government alone is willing and able to commit the HUGE sums to something like the Space Program.
So, who/what would have funded a Space Program if not the Federal Government?
+Tang, microwave ovens, GPS, Velcro, weather satellites, and ZGF!
Airports?
Redistribution.
Nope. Hookers and blow. Screw flying when I can get high at home.
So if trickle down works, why have we reached the cliff of economic obliteration just 40 years after Reagan and everyone thereafter (including Obama) embraced the idea?
Corporate tax rates are at multi-generational lows.
Same with individual tax rates.
It's a lie. It's pure ideology.
Obama doesn't embrace trickle-down economics.
Really?
Have you looked at the tax rate under this Presidency?
Stop watching Fox and learn something.
Just 40 years. Try over 100 years of redistribution
So hire bodyguards. The horror.
You wouldn't know a "corporatist" if he was your TOP DONOR. Who are your donors!!??
I work for a living. I have no donors. You?
Congratulations. I'm between stints in school, busy having various organs removed and a joint reconstructed. It's a wonderful life.
I could use some donors.
I have no idea what your point is. Good luck in school and with the organ thing.
Offering best wished is insufficient. Give him your money, Mr. Redistributionist. Or better yet, let him reallocate your cash at the point of a gun just like the government does.
What if I a studen loan lender?
Sucker!!!!!!!!
"If we don't have a middle class through some redistribution, those of us with money will have to hire body guards."
I'm continually amazed with how you think.
Why does the state have to do the "redistribution" and take a sizeable cut out of the economy for itself?
Does not a "rich" person turn to a tradesman/professional (boatbuilder, plumber, eletrician, accountant, carpenter etc.) for what they need or want to spend money on? Or are you saying tradesmen are poor and not middle class?
Is your vision that tradesmen will simply service the rich? That is called a service economy. It is a failure. We need manufacturing. Manufacturing went away because of free trade. The only way to prevent that is either 1) race to the bottom, or 2) tax/tariff policy.
A carpenter builds you a indoor bathroom, a plumber puts a shitter in your new bathroom. You no longer have to use the series of holes in your backyard. Wealth is created. Something is produced.
The service economy failure lies in the car washing, dog-walking, Starbucks latte making, Club Med portion. Nothing is produced, only consumed.
Innovation means shit for all but the oligarchs if everything is built in slave ship countries.
The fixtures in your example were all built in China.
Only the cheap fixtures were built in China. Smart people don't buy cheap.
Poor people buy cheap.
Hopefully your are rabidly pissed off at the corportate welfare and tax loopholes the 1% receive more than the working class?
@ATM; good job not continuing the discussion about Webster Tarpley, traitor.
Tarpley is a shill for the state, I used to listen to him but he's the next tier of disinformation.
ATM, The only way you'll find what you're looking for is under a monarchy.
and for what it's worth, I do agree with your sentiments...
I disagree, it doesn't have to mean certain bankruptcy. If there's going to be an organisation in society to act as a framework (instead of anarchism, which has positive sides as well but also negatives) why not make it work in favour of the people that make up (carry) society? That was the whole point of government, now was it?
IMO what is needed:
- complete government transparancy and strong laws against corruption and conflict of interest (to prevent backdoors to "sponsors"). A conflict of interest during a period of distress or war means "treason".
- A strong participation of citizens in polical processes, active involvement (possibly a draft - civil service (like was the case in many western european countries). Citizens must be informed. This means an independent media. This was done away with in consumer society. The attitude now is that citizens look towards government for handouts. This means they are too dependent on government.
- small government (smaller countries, states etc.) so the connection between voters and representatives is intact. It also prevents too much power (which invariably goes unchecked) in a few hands (absolute power corrupts absolutely). A government should have a limited impact on society, if a government grows (in percentage of people employed) something is wrong.
- reasonable, logical, methodical and especially efficiënt contracts between the people and the government - the government is there for the people, not the other way round. government is a fascillitator, not an initiator. Because of scale, it's possible to collectively arrange for healthcare, pensions etc. This works until the the input is lesser than the output (demographic) or if the process is captured by a third party (privatisation), so it needs a buffer (savings - which was THE guarantee of the Netherlands joining the monetary union but was quickly and silently done away with).
- sound money. this means no 3rd party influence over key processes like banks wedged inbetween people and government. you'd go automatically to a gold standard. important IMO is that the gold or silver is in circulation (and not just hoarded by a central bank)
This means there's a contract between the population (who put in tax money, their labour) and their representatives, one that guarantees as successful return on investments (which taxes essentially are) of citizens, and which prevents bigger parties (corporations are NOT equal to people/citizens) to take over control over smaller ones. Which is the inherent danger if there's no laws, no contract, just like the danger is always there.
If you check this list, you'll see where (almost all) western democracies have gone wrong. They ignored or did away the checks and balances that were put in the nineteenth and part of the twentieth century. The failure of "limited welfare" is a SYMPTOME of a failure to keep checks and balances intact, IMO not inherent to it's function (to provide an efficiënt (because collective) return on investments)
I'm not saying it's an absolute guarantee for a successful society, but that's a neverending struggle anyway.
Good points ...
End regulatory agencies. The only reason their are regulatory agencies is to prevent the commons filing legal claims and deny the commons standing in a court of law, Ever notice that settlement agreements written up by regulators or DoJ, setting aside the pretense of the wrist slap civil fine shtick, never attach a criminal finding and always immunize the plaintiff, the so called regulated party, from future civil and criminal action. They do it every f*cking time.
Most of those faces in congress have had CSPAN soap opera contracts since the beginning of time. That's why it always seems that acts of congress or nothing more that minor rewrites of the same old tired "inflate and pop the bubble" script. Congress should not hold hears. Let the federal and state AG's do a thorough investigation and get the indictments. Steroids in baseball - who the f*ck cares. Womens rights in some banana republic mud hole - who the f*ck cares.
Corrazine is still walking around, and probably still unbuckling his seat belt after a fresh dosing of his boner med and his personal attendant is ready to be "attentive".
Consider this:
If corporations are people, why can't people be corporations?
Lots of advantage in being chartered. Expense everything. Pay zero to negative taxes.
People inherently possess an asset more valuable than any asset class: TIME. Money is not power. Time is power. Money buys time. Time is sold to the highest bidder. It's not a wage, it's a capital gain.
They ignored or did away the checks and balances that were put in the nineteenth and part of the twentieth century.
The "they" are employed by us. Contractually speaking, we are the government. "They" did what "they" did because we allowed it. Make no mistake, we are in charge. There are 300 Million of us, and, at most, only 3 Million of "they" In a tug of war it's all about size, A sure bet that 300 Million could totally annihilate 3 Million before lunch, and still have time to catch "Johnny Bravo" on the toon network after lunch. Taking the republic back would be a walk in the park. All we need to do is walk. A 300 million strong mob of pissed of angry American assholes with a real bad attitude and weened on war since birth would be more intimidating than any wrath of g*d bullsh*t puked from a strip mall evangelical pulpit - that be one real scary thought. Our advantages today will be lost. Theta decays as expiration approaches. Apathy and worthlessness will replace starvation and lost sense of self and community, It's awful hard to do stuff the smart way when your side is running on empty. Right now we are pretty healthy, eating good and feeling our oats.
A mere collective "shrug" of our "sholder" would be all that was needed. No violence. No blood. No pain - well - except most of our political class "employees" and their pimps in the counting room have committed crimes - fraud extortion malfeasance theft of the commons assets, and quite possibly war crimes and treason. A real restoration would not include the typical DoJ "Get out of jail free card".
The first gesture our alleged political class need to make is accept their complicity. Then they need to understand the time of "forgives and forgets" has passed. Most, nearly all, will certainly face internment at a reeducation camp, like a fusion center. If the World Court or ICOJ has outstanding claims against them, so be it.A stint in their freshly minted US fusion centers cannot be guaranteed.
The second gesture they would need to make would be to write a bill that would specify how and when to transfer all authorizations held by all elected and appointed political employees, and their staffs, to the non political leadership of those agencies. The bill would also specify, as part of the transfer of authorizations to rank and file leadership, that all "political" employees will accept a voluntary "administrative leave without pay" when the authorizations are transfered. They would surrender passports deeds and licenses and agree to travel restrictions When public records can demonstrate those who voted or argued for illegal wars were also funded, or "played card", with businesses profiting from the genocide or voted for bank bailouts and were funded by, or "played cards" bankers, Those guys will have to accept an extreme "material witness" status and may require more than house confinement, they may require institutional confinement.
The transfer of authorizations and mass "administrative leave of absence" would require a structure to manage infrastructure and be limited to what ever IRS has collected. The framework would define the structure and terms of a provisional custodian of the constitution. The plan will be published and require a national referendum. The requirements of a provisional custodian would have to be worked out in advance. They would have to be simple. Sovereigns the republic has agreements with should be informed by rank and file civil service representatives in advance of the transfer. They would need assurances. The troops would have to come home and the 900, or so, leases for US foreign "outposts" would be canceled. No more money. The mercs and contractor agreements would stop. THe Genocide R&D think tank shops would have to be shut down. The luxury of maintaining foreign genocide outposts will end.
I am sure their are emergency power laws that could be modified to sanction a provisional government. And those guys will vote for it once they realize that doing time and taking Bubba's one eyed anaconda up the ass is a lot better than any alternative mob justice has to offer.
"The dead know one thing. It is better to be alive." (Full Metal Jacket)
those that claim to restore the republic need to understand that justice is the only remedy for the corruption that has delivered this moment. There can be no "get out of jail free card" if the goal is true restoration.
Nailed it. Like saying "limited cancer." Or "limited Greek bailout." Or limited "TBTF."
My post 18:07
Your Post 18:27
You never watch the vid 10min
I watched it last week.
And
So you watched it last week,,,, Give me your opinion of it ,and counterpoint. That's what I meant by And,, With the hyperventilation of down arrows...Which I contribute to all the other articulate posts here.
Even though Rand is apparently a total sellout, I don't agree with Tarpley either. As if the government spending unlimited amounts on "infrastructure" is fine as long as there's no interest coming due. That would still create great distortions in the market, which I doubt would lead to positive results.
I'm talking about Webster Tarply's views on the Ron Paul's campaign... Tarpley on gov hand outs is not what I'm talking about....It's his view on Ron Paul's campaign,,,He's a sellout for his son and it's tragic!!!!!!!!!!
On Aaron Russo's freedom to Fascism documentary he asked Ron Paul what he thought about the illegal income tax,,,,Ron giggled and said they have all the guns so what can we do,,,I hope (sic) the Amerrikan people get fed up with this!!! No support from him,,, and you could see Arron's amazement with his non committal....Watch the film..
Kill, you're killing tonight. You want a toe? I can get you a toe, no problem.
Tarpley is awesome. He called out Obama, not only before any of his left-wing buddies, but also before any Republican descovred any of OBama truths. Mad props to that man, even though we may disagree on solutions
i tried to figure out what you're responding to...
and...the answer is about 400feet ^that^a^way^ deep center/bleachers L0L!
interesting interview between tarpley and alex jones but very poor quality sound, need to download audio only.
very poor quality video, need to download audio only to understand
Seems pretty obvious to me that the terrible audio happened on purpose, which is just another example of Alex Jones' pathetic, devious work for TPTB.
- The fricking guy starts off with a ridiculously long diatribe that lamely attempts to set the viewer against everything Tarpley is about to say.
- AJ has someone moving a 2nd little video camera right in Tarpley's face and all about - it's no wonder Tarpley lost his train of thought at one point.
- AJ pulls the microphone away to shut Tarpley up, interrupts him (uh - sorry, are you interviewing the guy or is he interviewing YOU, AJ?)
- AJ is practically BEGGING Tarpley to move onto another subject, ANY subject other than Ron and Rand Paul's abject record.
- AJ totally lies about Ron Paul being a 911 truther, when in fact he has come out repeatedly against truth and in support for the government's 911 BS.
All in all, it's not surprising at all that the audio is so f'ed up - something that I've never seen in other AJ interviews, even in crowds or other chaotic places. AJ is truly pathetic. I feel sorry for all the Ron Paul supporters, who ultimately are no different than the Obama supporters from a few years ago.
Agreed, Christophe. I'm a big Jones fan, a somewhat big Tarpley fan, and a lukewarm Paul supporter. I was very disappointed by Jones on this one. Agree w/your post totally. Jones was very disappointing, and he claims to like Tarpley. None of his other videos/interviews turn out THIS bad. There's no excuse. He wouldn't let Tarpley finish one sentence. Not one. It is shameful.
AJ is an ego too. Don't forget. He hates to be wrong and being suckered by the paradigm for him is SHAMEFUL.
I would chalk it to that rather than the TPTB. Simple explanations are invariably more probable.
I agree with you about Jones wishing to divert the conversation away from his being suckered by the paradigm and the exposure of Rand Paul as a total sham ... EXCEPT that Tarpley absolutely nailed it: RP was running right wing defence for the Romney candidacy (while AJ was RP's sideman in an attempt to garner and maintain the youth vote for an otherwise unelectable 'crusty' RP).
Rand Paul is a major stain (exposé?) on both RP's and AJ's record.
Sure, Palm, I can buy that. I didn't mean that I agree w/everything about that assessment, but one has to at least entertain the thought. For now, I'll stick with your explanation. If that's the case, though, one wants Alex to be a bigger man, at least for the sake of his viewers who need him to be a bigger man.
Thanks for the link, Kill. I can't decide what is the most painful about this interview. Alex Jones is clearly scared of Tarpley (much to my dismay), yet Tarpley makes a great point: that Jones would be better than RP and doesn't need RP. Bingo! RP will not come out for 911 truth.
Any candidate that will not come out for 911 truth is not worth your vote, folks. Period.
But the sound is terrible, someone keeps holding a video monitor in front of the camera, the video won't play in a clean fashion, and the worst part--the worst part--is that Jones keeps interrupting Tarpley and will hardly let him finish a sentence. I had to quit watching. I'll try to finish it later.
Thanks for the link, though. I like Paul to a degree, I like Tarpley a lot, and I like Jones a lot. None of these folks are perfect (for me). But I'll take Jones or Tarpley over RP any day. Those two will tell the truth about 911. It's hard to see how anything is more important than that. Have to give you the up arrow on this one, Kill. :)
Clashfan...
I don't like the shit we are in but it's what it is!!!! Ron Paul fucked me for lost of money and I'm really sick of this country with it's financial iron curtain,, if I want to leave I have to pay an EXIT TAX!!!WTF!!!
Clashfan!!
Thanx Brother,,, We only have ourselves to rely on....Keep you eyes along the skyline and you back to the wind my Brother..
Sorry to hear that, Kill, but remember, RP has done a lot of good for a lot of people. It's not wasted time or money, really. :)
Stay free, and thanks for the nice response. It made my night. This one's for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ws8esAB8gE
Thanx
Clashfan
This one is for you////
Lets all vote on the video that is better...haha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6ooCngj0xI&feature=related
I dunno, I like the film Rude Boy. I'm a punker, but I'm also a fan of classic rock, Christian rock, and jazz. I'm actually a pretty big Larry Carlton fan. Did you know he did a lot of guitar work for Steely Dan? I actually listen to Carlton quite a bit. Yes, I'm enjoying this.
Thanks. Hope I get to interact w/you more on ZH. Very elegant and appropriate selection, btw.
You blew Jones out of the water with that interview, G!. The very best of WGT ... no matter what, of his usual disruptive tactics, Jones tried to derail the conversation, you kept your cool. Not only that, you showed such a depth of understanding of the political machinations across Europe and the MENA that I'm in awe of how you can keep track of them!
I don't agree at all with FDR big government, but you certainly started to win me over - in that it is obviously the only current alternative to a continuation of the ruling class of aristocratic government in league with the luciferian banksters. Now is not the time for my ideal of Jeffersonian micro government ... not with the current inability to feed 300 million people immediately upon the dissolution of the criminal gang in DC (though I do believe that the independent nature and entrepreneurial spirit of the dissenters of all nations, that are at the core of the American DNA, would find a solution on their own -- just as they did 350 years ago.
However, FDR himself was also an aristocrat and tool of the Vatican ... and did more than any other before him, or since, to lead the American people back into serfdom.
Thanks also for bringing deGaulle to everyone's attention. That is the kind of leader needed now ... one who is willing to look after his own people's interests against all the powers arrayed against him, and to suffer the dozens of assassination attempts as a result. A true "statesman", as you put it!
You've now sent me off with my thinking cap on to determine how to reconcile the need for a 'statesman' while destroying the power of the 'state'. The vast majority of people, unfortunately, will always require a 'leader', yet the early American colonists were quick to splinter off from central government and were content to set up their own local organisations to suit their own local needs and beliefs.
I'll end this ramble here and thank you again for an absolutely outstanding interview and display of your own strength of character! Bravo!
You aced it with that selection, KS!
I'd love to see the rest of your playlist, after this and your introduction, some weeks ago, of Tal Wilkenfeld playing at 'Crossroads'.
Tell me if you like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00HhEQ5Y4R0
or this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hH8F1t0fmyc
Awesone links! Many thanks for those.
Thanks I-Dog
I'll post here and there!!
"G"
P.S. Alex can be a pain in the ass at times..
Great interview with Webster.
I guess Alex understands Webster's 'obsession' with Ron Paul now, 'cause it appears Webster was correct...as the "typical Ron Paul supporter's world view comes crashing down to the ground..." (for good reason)
Whether Tarplye's right or wrong, I would have liked to hear his views without the incessant interruptions and heckling from Alex Jones. That's a pretty ignorant way of interviewing someone.
He could have let him speak and then had a rebuttal afterwards. Maybe he could devote a show sometime to a good discussion without all the heckling and taking the mic away etc.
Jones had only one objective with that interview: to demonise Putin and ramp up the 'nuclear threat' ... using Tarpley for credibilty.
Thank Dog that Tarpley had had a few red wines and coolly went on to expose the whole EU-MENA shadow play!
What a wonderfully illustrative video, with incredible high points of profound humor, such as:
“You’re going off rumors, Tarpley”
Wow, that is the definition, the paragon example, of the pot calling the kettle black, though technically sometimes Alex Jones just pulls stuff out of his ass instead of relying on rumors.
This is a glimpse into the Brave New World if the status quo collapses and the loons take over. Hobson’s Choice it is. Damned either way.
As the youth say today, haters gotta hate. If the current foes are gone, the loons will cannibalize each other. There will never be anything right with the world, as these folks see it, unless only "I" have the say. Everybody thinks he is the sole arbiter of TRUTH, and any point of disagreement whatsoever elicits the same venom he would have if Tim Geithner was in front of him.
Looks like something two prescriptions of a tricyclic antidepressant might solve, or at least ameliorate. Two punch drunk bozos knocking each other silly. Truly a thing of beauty. Theater of the absurd.
Webster Tarpley is no loony.
Tarpley drops his bullshit from the safety of ten thousand miles. He states that many of the bodies at Houla, Syria were killed elsewhere, put on ice, then carried to Houla and placed amongst the victims.
Amazing how these fucksticks can “know” all this stuff without ever having visited the place. Apparently their assholes are actually multi-dimensional wormholes and they just reach in deep and pull out TRUTH.
Please, Webster, get off your fat ass and go to Houla and ask the families if their children or mothers or fathers or brother or sisters were killed elsewhere and carried in. Think you know? Go ask. In person. Take your dickhead friend Jones along. Of course, in their grief maybe they’ll peel your skin off and hang your bloated corpses for the wild salukis to devour. We should be so lucky.
Piece of shit.
I'm no Tarpley fanboi and disagree with him on a lot of things, but he WAS right about Al Quaida as proponent of the USA-France-UK coalition. He's got a consistent record of being right as far as geo-politics goes. He may be wrong on Houla's victims, or maybe not. I wouldn't know. Would you? I've not read ANYTHING in your post that's substantial. Just angry personal dislikes. You're wasting my time. I can get angry rants in the local bar. :-S
Here's an interview with Adam Kokesh; I think both have some valid points. Limited government is possible IMO. It's simply a CONTRACT between citizens and elected representatives. In the ideological discussion this simple concept often gets lost. Yes, Tarpley should learn to shut up when someone else is talking, and he's wrong about the US state being able to sustain 50-60 million ppl., but he has a point that dropping ALL government systems will be a dead end (mass killing of americans) as well. Instead of dropping foodstamps, he argues new jobs need to be created, and he identifies the global economy as the culprit. Perhaps in the Rand Paul camp there's thoughts that there are too many "useless eaters"? Something no libertarian wants to admit. Mass organisations is what is needed to counter the present glide to fascism. Tarpley's right about that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9i7bzyKUBoU
So, I'm in the middle. I try to compare arguments, not personal dislikes. Thank you.
Tarpley drops his bullshit from the safety of ten thousand miles
Is that so??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is_DYXolAeM
ROFL.
Thanks that was good. Despite the truth Tarpley said that we are going to have to decide for ourselves, its clear that the left leaning darkie puppet and the right leaning spooky puppet serve the same owners as the rest of the traitors in the legislature, so the outcome is preordained.
Remington / Glock 2012
+1 for your 2012....nice
dwdollar wrote: "...a lot of hope died for a lot of people..." [same has happened re. Obama]
As long as one looks to government to secure one's liberty then "hope" that the right things are done will always be needed.
Happily the first downgrade here. That was Rand Paul, Ron hasn't let me down yet, although he has his own shaky legacy, his message is still true as ever.
Ron Paul was set up to leave a tremendous legacy. Now he's letting his son squander it for a ticket with the Romney Titanic. What joke. A lot hope died for a lot of people today.
Hoping against hope the virtuous understand that corruption always claims virtue.
The game is rigged. The corrupt placate the morally confused and self consumed with sound byte assurance they will follow the rule of law and keep their oaths. My hood is filled with yuppies and old time deal makers. None appreciated what Dubby's face allowed. Some yuppies backed Owanna to shed white guilt.
Now we have another token president who has relieved token Americans of some burned in white guilt with alleged token white votes. Other yuppies voted for Owanna in the primaries, not because of the lies in his promises, like "out of Afghanistan, out of Iraq, no attack on Iran, an end to executive orders and transparency", but because of his association with Reverend Wright and the words Wright spoke.
As soon as the primaries were over, Owanna disavowed Reverend Wright, just after he almost crashed in an Israeli, Aero Empire, maintained Air West plane that Hilary's campaign gave him the keys to. Billy Bob Clinton said "no NAFTA". The first bill he signed was the Nafta Trade Agreement. The last bill Billy signed was the act repealing Glass Steagal, which covered the costs to clean his love snot stain oof the 80 PSI lipped Lewinsky's blue dress.
Trying to figure this out and wondering if it is some kind stealth strategy, Dr Paul's game plan has been to accumulate delegates. He knows he cannot fight and win through unruly backroom establishment processes. So Dr Paul went directly to the commons.
So the corrupt feign virtue to garner to a media reported consensus. The real votes are probably never the reported vote - primary - general - it makes no difference.
So if the corrupt get what their "string pullers" want by flashing their pearly whites and saying whatever their they're instructed to say, why can't the virtuous "lie" by pretending to embrace the false prophets of corruption - and once they get in - do a 180 like the corrupt do?
Is their any history on that strategy?
"By way of deception thou shalt do war" (Mossad motto)
Guessing we be hoping for too much that a "virtuous" holder of the executive pen would use deceit to manufacture a believable consensus such that that even the Diebold Vote Flip subroutines would find favorable.
In short: The corrupt pretend virtue to get our authorizations, so why can the virtuous feign corruption to win our authorizations.
Probably is too much to hope for, huh?
BTW - I have a Bank of America Gold card, The only draws on it were to Dr. Paul's campaign. Yesterday I went to RONPAUL2012.COM. Entered the CC info, and got a message, "Cards issued outside the US cannot be used" Tried three times, got the same message,
Either BOA sold my CC account to Greece or someone is afraid. Very afraid.
" A lot hope died for a lot of people today."
just like in 2008.
meal tickets...who give a shtick about the sheeples...
Now there's no one left in Congress...Hope-less.
RP has the right message, and he was the only candidate running against big government spending, stopping fraud. I always thought he was a weak selection, but you take what you get. Time to move on. Now we're better organized and we know what we want.
Maybe this is the right message........
"It's a democracy," said store co-owner Roland Coit. And it's capitalism. On eBay, a pair was pre-sold for $90,300.
Fans willing to pay 400% markup for Kanye West sneakershttp://www.usatoday.com/money/media/story/2012-06-08/Kanye-West-Nike-Air...
Ask Romney if he also, like Obama, would support al Qaeda in Libya and Syria.
It is tough to write a law that says you will target for assassination Americans who join an organization that you as president support.
theintelhub.com/2011/08/21/libya-libyan-rebels-are-cia-funded-al-qaeda-connected-murderers/
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2012/04/08/putting-syria-into-some-perspective-the-holy-triumvirate/
As to the current violence in Syria, we must consider the numerous reports of forces providing military support to the Syrian rebels — the UK, France, the US, Turkey, Israel, Qatar, the Gulf states, and everyone’s favorite champion of freedom and democracy, Saudi Arabia; with Syria claiming to have captured some 14 French soldiers; plus individual jihadists and mercenaries from Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, Libya, et al, joining the anti-government forces, their number including al-Qaeda veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan who are likely behind the car bombs in an attempt to create chaos and destabilize the country. This may mark the third time the United States has been on the same side as al-Qaeda, adding to Afghanistan and Libya.
p c:
No it isn't; tough that is. Just unconstitutional, but place-holder has his own views of what is in/out of scope for the Constitution.
And I'm with you on your assessment of the destabilization of the current Syrian regime. Hard for me to root for that regime v. the MBz.
Go figure
- Ned
Hey Freddie!....Oh Freddie???
is RP STILL one a them REAL Republicans you were spouting off about the other day, come to save us all from the Obummers's communist abyss??
What's the Vegas line on how many hoodie wearing fools are going to get shot over those stupid, hideous sneakers?
You'd have to differentiate the bet: a) <color of your choice> being assaulted by <color of your choice> or b) <color of your choice> being assaulted by <color of your choice>.
Your choice.
Actual data, such as i) blood, b) trauma, 3) distance of the muzzle to the victim, or IV) prosecutor malfeasance. shall not be included in any MSM presentations.
Alan Dershowitz, one of the sharpest blades in the drawer:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/07/dershowitz-zimmerman-prosecutor-thr...
don't cha' know.
- Ned
Protip: Don't use initials when people are talking about Ron and Rand Paul. :-D
Ron Paul is a 33rd degree rosicrucian. his function is to TALK liberty, and garner support in order to secure the big money interests candidates. For another example, see Teddy Roosevelts candidacy in 1912, in order to insure the the Jeckyl Island crew got their boy Woodrow Wilson into office, so that they could establish the Federal Reserve.
I believe the technical term is 'force majeur'.
... And the League of Nations (present-day U.N.) Very good pick-up. I've followed the line of evidence for a while now. The trap has been set. Now watch as the prey, confused, unwittingly run down the squeeze-chute towards the slaughterhouse.
Evil does not have a pointy tail, pitch fork, and horns, that would be too obvious. He is more subtle ergo more hideous than that, instead, he silently sits behind you, gently rocking your chair and lulling you back into a blissful sleep...
JB, I have looked into secret societies a bit. I have never heard of a "33rd degree rosicrucian," though I do know of the Rosicrucians. And I have never seen a link or evidence of RP belonging to any such group. Links, please? To support that claim? I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
I'm not saying I don't believe you. I'm just saying I would like to learn how you know this.
just a show to keep people believing that the system can be saved. it can't.
once again, the position of "prezzydent" is a figurehead role that focuses the voters attention away from the systemic problem of government itself, which is corrupted to the core.
there is NO voting them out, there is only a complete overthrow and redo of the systems - otherwise, the juggernaut will continue to move in its direction, flat tires and all.
indeed they do - any of "them" that hide in a political party, partaking of taxed-payer money, working in a District apart from the nationstate - they suck, off YOU, like leeches.
prepare your minds, act accordingly.
Like father, like son...
ABO.
Actually, his subcommittee doesn't have subpoena authority, so Ron can't call up 'Zine and say, "hey John, see you next week? Yeah, you know where the House is, not too far from the Senate building where you sorta worked for a couple of years...." And in the major committee, if subpoena'd, the 'Zine would just plead the fifth and go back to wherever he's keeping himself. Doesn't change the truth of your statement, but I generally reserve that opinion to the lawyers among them...which is most of them anyway....
+++++++++++
Plus, my dear ideal,
I think that by now if Ron Paul truly WANTED to be Pressydent, he would have abandoned that one-party sysytem he is so loyal to in order to least do something that he could be remebered for-----he always sounded great to me but I never got the chance to vote for him because Texas was a place that I never wanted to live--
He has been singing the same song for how many years, but never on the big stage.
I'm most disappointed in this man---he could have been------------------------------------------
But I remain more disappointed by a 'democratic' process designed with a switch that could cancel that process should it in any way not reflect the designs of TPTB: the Electoral college
Yeah, I know------it's a 'republic' not a democracy----
This oldman was taught different om
iDealMeat, thanks for saying it out loud. I could not agree more. All this RP rah rah is preposterous... I keep trying to explain to people but no one wants to believe it... one person can't save us this time, and may never have been able to. We need to do something, or accept defeat.
113 thumbs up for what seems, to me, like an unsubstantiated comment that Ron Paul's currency banknote commitee has jurisdiction.
I think the comment area is full of knee-jerk unthinking.
Each man has a price.
Every man has a price.
Someone who gets it once said...
'Draw a circle in front of you, and realize it represents the moat. Ask yourself where you are.
You're not in the moat, therefore you are nothing but chattel, cannon fodder, or a slave to those in the moat.'
That is the most important statement I've ever heard, now it's time to figure out how to starve those fuckers in the moat to death.
All of them, to a man.
sean
Fuck you Rand. You're a real piece of shit.
The "deal" may advance Rand's principals. Primetime speech at the convention? Selection of Cabinet officer(s)? VP?
Yeah, the price extracted matters.
Romney knows that without the Ron Paul vote, he, and the Republican party are dead.
I do not see how such a move grabs the Ron Paul vote. At least not with the information I currently possess.
The majority of those who would vote for Paul, will never vote Romney unless some serious sea change occurs. I expect to see the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse first.
Clearly Rand's mere endorsement is insufficient. Way insufficient.
By visiting Kristol's The Weekly Standard, Romney having Chertoff on his Board of Advisors and by association alligning with Krauthammer's Johnny-Come-Lately concern for Liberty and drones Rand is finding himself in the middle of some serious Trotskyite Bankster Troglodytes.
Judge him by the company he keeps or the self-counsel he lacks.
Romney needs the "libertarian" vote or he's cooked. It will be interesting to see what else he does to earn it. I agree that having hard core neo-cons hanging around means no libertarian vote.
I think Romney is cooked and I shed no tears.
anyone who can vote for Romney and call themselves a "libertarian" is operating at the height of dissonance.
which, of course, is quite common nowadays. . .
If you are a libertarian, libertarian values are what you like. The Republican party will not try to appeal to you on that basis. They will simply remind you that they are the alternative to Obama. Who, they allege, is a communist, gay, gun grabber and black. This kind of negativity is all the Republican party has had for nearly 50 years. It works. For them anyway.
True, Knukles. People who put their trust in other people are too often disappointed. Everyone on this site (practically) has been looking to Ron Paul (and Rand, really) for salvation. I have been trying to say that if they aren't supporting the 911 truth movement, they aren't worth worrying about, but I keep getting voted down for that.
Well, folks, Ron Paul has some good ideas. The time has not been wasted. Time to move on.
This song is for the Pauls and all of you who feel jilted.
You say you stand by your man.
Tell me something I don't understand.
You said you loved me, and that's a fact,
But then you left me, said you just felt trapped.
The heartache's with me to this day....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYK7bEo1Z4M
Really, who cares. Time to move on past RP. He obviously got scared to death of being President. Need to find someone with balls for next elections.
He got scared to death (by absolute assured assassination by the powers that be). We all know he would have been killed with the first MIC cuts. Fuck it. We've passed the event horizon. The system has to implode. Smash a glass and cry. Too much joy. To create, you must destroy.
He wants to influence the GOP platform, not the tough job of president. He's not scared of assassination, he's scared of winning.
Ron Paul was just plain beaten by a guy with $zillions and FOX behind him. Ron Paul was ignored to death by the people who run the show. Either you make 2012 a stepping stone to something bigger, or you don't.
Yeah, that's it. LOL...
Deal, yes. Please welcome the Secretary of _____, Rand Paul.
OT - Snorgtees is getting some competition on the T-shirt front here.
Please welcome the non-assassinated, still alive by the grace of the powers that be, junior Senator, Rand Paul.