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Guest Post: The Trouble with Rand Paul

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Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics,

Rand Paul just endorsed a man who is deeply hostile to human liberty.

Perhaps that’s Rand’s idea of playing politics? Come to the table, strike a deal, get what you can. Trouble is, it’s tough striking a good deal when the guy on the other side of the table believes that the government should be allowed to claim — without having to produce any evidence whatsoever — that certain people are terrorists, and therefore should be detained indefinitely without any kind of due process.

That’s textbook tyranny.

Yes, I would have [signed the NDAA]. And I do believe that it is appropriate to have in our nation the capacity to detain people who are threats to this country, who are members of al Qaeda. Look, you have every right in this country to protest and to express your views on a wide range of issues but you don’t have a right to join a group that has killed Americans, and has declared war against America. That’s treason. In this country we have a right to take those people and put them in jail. If I were president I would not abuse this power. But people who join al Qaeda are not entitled to rights of due process under our normal legal code. They are entitled instead to be treated as enemy combatants.


Mitt Romney

Except, if the government had any evidence they were really members of al-Qaeda and engaged in a war against America they could be charged with offenses under current laws and tried in front of a jury of their peers. As was proven when Judge Katherine Forrest struck down the indefinite detention provision of the NDAA as unconstitutional, the real detention targets are people like the ones who brought the case — writers, investigative journalist and whistleblowers: people like Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Daniel Ellsberg, Jennifer Bolen, and Birgitta Jonsdottir.

Rand Paul might have done some good work trying to filibuster the Patriot Act, but endorsing Mitt Romney goes beyond the pale. The NDAA is Romney’s most egregious transgression against liberty, but not far behind are his desire to start a war against Iran, to increase military spending, to start a trade war with China and his belief that corporations are people.

I know I will never agree with any politician on every single dimension of every single issue, and that to some extent politics will always involve compromise. Certainly, I disagree with Ron Paul on some issues. But Mitt Romney’s stances on these issues seem much, much, much closer to Barack Obama than they do to Ron Paul. In fact, he might as well have endorsed Obama for President.

And the Ron Paul supporters are noticing: Rand has probably burnt most bridges to his Father’s supporters now. His Facebook page has seen a huge outpouring of fury:

Just lost a lot of faith in a man I otherwise adored.

You suck Rand! Traitor!

That’s why this country is doomed! Even the person you trust is a sell-out. I’m done with politics, people deserve what they get. Let the country run itself to the ground, and still people will not understand what freedom and self-responsibility is about. People want big gov’t, big brother every step of the way. Well, they got it. The rest of us, might as well try to move to another country or find an island and move there.

I knew I’d never vote for Mitt… Now I know I’ll never vote for Rand.

He has fully sold out to the bankers

Endorsing Romney is tantamount to an utter sell-out of conservative principles.

Did George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison try to compromise with King George? Or — when it became obvious that they were facing tyranny — did they stand up for the principles of liberty?

I have always been uncomfortable with the children of politicians becoming politicians. Every anointed child feels like a step away from meritocracy. Dynasties are dangerous, because the dynasty itself comes to be more important than the qualities of the politicians. Who would Rand Paul be if he wasn’t Ron Paul’s son? Just another neocon. Neocons often have a few “unfashionable” libertarian or constitutionalist sympathies; look at Charles Krauthammer. But — unlike Ron Paul — the neocon never has the spine to do much about their libertarian or constitutionalist sympathies. They just ride on the establishment steamroller, into foreign occupations, empire building, corporate welfare, and banking bailouts. Into Iraq, and soon into Iran.

Rand Paul just got on the steamroller.


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Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:26 | 2508813 jonan
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fak you rand, give me my $20 bucks back sell-out!!!

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:36 | 2508854 Cathartes Aura
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ahhh, money bombs. . .wherefore art thou, money. . .

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:28 | 2509176 Cathartes Aura
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it's no secret that I'm not a fan of pollytishuns, of any hue, and while this link might appear to be "rubbing salt" in a dis-illusioned mass wound - I offer it up only as more information to add to the latest, nothing more,

Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) has noted that Representative Paul was one of the worst offenders in the U.S. House for using campaign and PAC money to enrich family members. In CREW’s recent survey of 2008 and 2010 spending by Congressional candidates, they noted: “Rep. Paul’s campaign committee, Committee to Re-elect Ron Paul, paid salaries to his
daughter, his grandson, his daughter’s mother-in-law, his granddaughter, his grandson-in-law, and another relative. In addition, his campaign committee reimbursed the congressman and several other relatives and paid his brother’s accounting firm. Finally, Rep. Paul’s leadership political action committee (PAC), Liberty PAC, reimbursed the congressman, paid his brother’s accounting firm, and paid his daughter a salary.”

you guys are smart, and many are idealists here - as we come closer to a  *crunch*   I sincerely wish us all strength of conviction.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 00:31 | 2509646 prole
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It's no secret that you are NOT a fan of politicians?

I have serious trouble distinguishing you from Joseph Stalin.

I guess it just matters who is operating the avatar for which shift

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 01:35 | 2509694 Cathartes Aura
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still butt hurt eh.

get over it - it's an blog post dude, people have opinions, and argue them - I'd say "grow up" but you've tipped your hand there.

and I think you'll find that my voice has been the same for the years I've posted here - however dissimilar to other voices, it is my own.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 06:30 | 2509868 prole
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Pretty clever trolling cass.\

One day you are sarcasticly defending every manner of Socialism communism I don't even remember what crap you were spewing. Next day it's "everybody knows I am no fan of politicians" Judging from your posts only thing I know is you are no fan of Liberty, no fan of the free market, and you are only here as a disrupter and you go back to Cass or Kos or wherever your Commie ilk breed and brag about how you "told off" the ZHers. You are a joke

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 13:41 | 2510427 Cathartes Aura
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the "only thing" you know is that you're a bitter old man who has an awareness that stops at "left / right" labeling - you "don't remember" my spewed crap, you just remember to troll all my commentary now with your opinions of me that are pulled out of your sore ass. 

YOU go back to "Cass or Kos" - I post at ZH, in case you're lost.   argue a point or GTFO.


Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:48 | 2509082 e_goldstein
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Your $20.00 just bought you a lifetime supply of pestering advertisements in the mail from any and each Republican candidate that may be running for office in your city, county and state. See, you really do get what you pay for. 

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:29 | 2508824 oldman
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"That’s why this country is doomed! Even the person you trust is a sell-out."

This has certainly been y personal experience in the US  and one of the reasons I live out of the country I love

And, YES it is still my faorite country------except for its people                 om

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:30 | 2508826 Lord Drek
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Woe unto those within the Liberty Movement who thought the future of this country could be entrusted to Ron/Rand Paul.



Didn't Webster Tarpley predict this?

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:30 | 2508827 alien-IQ
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I think this might turn Ron Paul into an abortion advocate.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:30 | 2508830 Commander Cody
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Time to get drunk.  There is no hope.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:39 | 2508862 Cathartes Aura
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hope is just a mindtrick to delay truth, and truth requires action on behalf of knowing.

get drunk, then get sober & busy.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 20:09 | 2509269 margaris
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dont agree.
Hope is what keeps the morale up while we do the required action.

Hope dies last.

Ofcourse what you probably meant is not "hope" but the pathetic ignorance of the soon to be boiled frog?

"everything is ok, I am innocent and have nothing to hide, the dollar is backed by the US military, government knows whats good for us, I am a frog in nicely temperated water, .... its so relaxing.... I dont complain about anything.... zzzzzzzz....... zzzzzzzzz"

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 21:05 | 2509379 Cathartes Aura
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I understand your definition of "hope" - mine is closer to your boiled frog analogy. . .

I'm talking about the "hope" word that gets used a lot, as in "I know the gov.t sux but I HOPE a vote for "X" will at least slow the decay" etc.

my view is that "voting is the least one can do" in that it usually means, well, "I hate who's in office NOW, but in two more years, I hope we can vote them out" - the hope that postpones action is a voter's hope.

but sure, I'll agree - we believe in something, hope it's true, and act as if in the meantime. . .

best to you.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 00:06 | 2509618 margaris
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Ok I agree.

Our language has been corrupted. Words dont have the same meaning and action they used to have before.

Its newspeak like in 1984.

You are right, the word HOPE has been so much misused, it has the obama-stank all over it.

But dont we play in the hands of the traitors if we dont respect the word HOPE anymore?


Remember what the word meant when you said to yourself: "... I hope I am going to pass the test.... I hope this girl will go out with me... I hope I get this job... etc...."

In those circumstances you used the word HOPE hand in hand with some serious ACTION by yourself!

Thats what I am talking about.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 01:38 | 2509697 Cathartes Aura
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we're on the same page - I hope the rest of your evening is more peaceful.


Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:31 | 2508833 ClaymoreStoor
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People are absolutely absurd.  I love Ron and Rand Paul.  Just because they endorse Romney that means they are sell-outs and "traitors"?  That's simply absurd.  I plan on voting for Romney because I fear what another 4 years of Obama will do to this country.  Will Romney do much better?  Let's just say I have low expectations.  But I certainly know I don't want Obama for another 4 years.  Would I rather have Ron Paul?  Sure, but he didn't win the nomination.  That's the way it goes.  Rand Paul doesn't want another 4 years of Obama and would rather have Romney.  Hence the endorsement.  I don't understand why this is so bad. 

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:36 | 2508848 Bob
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It would seem that for many, Rand represented the emergence of a New Politics. 

Now he's demonstrating (with actions rather than pleasing words) the same old, same old, lesser of two evils, red-blue bullshit. 

Funny how those parties always seem to get their way.  But then, sleep with dogs, get fleas. 

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:45 | 2508878 CaptainObvious
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No, people are not absurd, they are clueless and easily led, as you have just proven.  Obamacare was constructed from the foundation of Romneycare.  There is no difference between the two, other than one has a (R) and one has a (D).  They are both puppets of the same major donors and plan to revoke the exact same freedoms. It's Kang v. Kodos.  It doesn't matter which one wins, we're fucked no matter what. 

Who has that bottle?  Pass it down this way, I need a swig.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 22:56 | 2509530 Clashfan
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Um, if you want to pass something, we could be passing something else if Ron Paul had won, right? Well, I guess we can anyway, despite the risk?

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 20:14 | 2509284 JB
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Voting for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. Stop participating in this hopelessly evil system.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 06:36 | 2509851 Disenchanted
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"I plan on voting for Romney because I fear what another 4 years of Obama will do to this country."


What the fuck has Obama done that is really that much different than what W. Bush was doing?


People like you get distracted by words, speeches, and the bullshit smokescreens thrown out by the 'media' and don't pay attention to the actions that keep the status quo rolling along year after year, election after election.


'Oh if only we vote for (political)Party B instead of Party A our world will be saved!'


They've been running this scam on us for at least a century now, when are you muppets finally going to catch on?


Then there are the complete fucking (useful)idiots like Freddie who keep calling Obama the Muslim...the only US President to hold a Passover Seder in the White House(four years in a row now - 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012). The 'Muslim' President who is surrounded by Jewish handlers, advisors, and financiers. The same guy who lived in a Jewish neighborhood in Chicago, right across the street from Chicago's oldest synagogue**, before he became President. Don't take my word for it, look all this up...research it bitchez.

** (red square Obama mansion, immediately to the right KAM Isaiah Israel Temple )

more here:


jesus fucking christ on a cracker...this empire of dumbass ain't worth saving!


btw while I'm on this rant. The issue about Obama being Kenyan, non-citizen, or what the fuck ever is just another smokescreen...


What was really trying to be hidden was that his real father was a COINTELPRO type 'communist' informant. These pics should tell the real story to anyone with a brain:


and his half-Jew white mother worked for 'the man' in Indonesia (Ford Foundation, Timmah Geithner's daddy, CIA front). Oblahma was a bankster manchurian candidate cut-out from the word go. Romney would/will be no different and no better. As would no candidate of either party that's advertised and pumped up by the status quo establishment.


The Pauls were/are tokens to keep hopes alive.


nuff said...

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:32 | 2508837 Seize Mars
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I'm pissed off about this, but I gotta tell ya, the guy is no dummy. I'm wondering what the "deal" is.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:41 | 2508866 Cathartes Aura
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the "deal" is his career.

his "Republican career" - simple, evident.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 16:09 | 2510838 Seize Mars
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Yeah, maybe it's no more complicated than that.

I'm always looking for the second order effects, but maybe you're right.

What a shmoe.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 21:06 | 2511325 Cathartes Aura
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I hear you on the "second order effects" - we're all suffering the lack of "trust" lately, particularly with anything to do with politics or government - I just think Rand has had an obvious agenda from way back, and has been coasting on the Paul coat tails to accomplish his goals - it's just a politician playing the game, and I think it's getting more and more obvious lately.

well at least to us here, eh!

take care (and good luck getting a grip on Mars lately!)

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:32 | 2508840 mendolover
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He could have endorsed his father.  Shame on you Dr. Paul.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:44 | 2509071 LivermoreJim
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He did you knucklehead - but Romney won the nomination and deserves support from all Republicans (which includes Rand & Ron Paul.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 03:30 | 2509787 ebworthen
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Ha, ha, ha ha!!!


GOP has no idea how many millions upon millions of voters they have lost with their bullshit.

Clueless equivocating two-faced mealy-mouthed fucks.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:35 | 2508847 Overdrawn
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Naming Names: Your Real Government When dark deeds unfold, point the finger in this direction. 
by Tony Cartalucci

This is your real government; they transcend elected administrations, they permeate every political party, and they are responsible for nearly every aspect of the average American and European's way of life. When the "left" is carrying the torch for two "Neo-Con" wars, starting yet another based on the same lies, peddled by the same media outlets that told of Iraqi WMD's, the world has no choice, beyond profound cognitive dissonance, but to realize something is wrong.

What's wrong is a system completely controlled by a corporate-financier oligarchy with financial, media, and industrial empires that span the globe. If we do not change the fact that we are helplessly dependent on these corporations that regulate every aspect of our nation politically, and every aspect of our lives personally, nothing else will ever change.

The following list, however extensive, is by far not all-inclusive. However after these examples, a pattern should become self-evident with the same names and corporations being listed again and again. It should be self-evident to readers of how dangerously pervasive these corporations have become in our daily lives. Finally, it should be self-evident as to how necessary it is to excise these corporations from our lives, our communities, and ultimately our nations, with the utmost expediency.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 04:43 | 2509681 Clashfan
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Thank you very much for this intriguing link, Overdrawn.

I need to say that again: Thank you.

While there is a lot good here, I am drawn to read further by this particularly poetic bit in the onset: "The world has no choice, beyond profound cognitive dissonance."

This is a gripping, quick read.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:37 | 2508849 Youri Carma
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I never was hysterical about Ron paul but at least he brought up some important issues although I think he could be much more agressive considering his position. I truly think that Paul was afraid of getting suicided and that's what hold him back. I've have said it earlier that Ron Paul was merely campaigning for his son Rand. Tarpley said the same later. So maybe Tarpley was right after all ... Tarpley, Jones: The Great Debate!

Never had something with Rand. To weasel like for my taste. Well he showed us now didn't he. Frankly I think that Rand just committed political suicide by this move.

Eyewitnesses: Mitt Romney Attended Bilderberg 2012 Ron Paul voted FOR the Afghan War Rand Paul Voted FOR Sanctions On Iran

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:35 | 2508850 francis_sawyer
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Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:37 | 2508855 Yukon6400
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Why must he endorse anyone? Even if he won't pencil in his dad, I will.


I'll let everybody else choose how big of a brick to put on the accelerator to go off the cliff. I am so tired of compromise politicians.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:39 | 2508860 slackrabbit
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Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:42 | 2508865 agNau
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Before I start.....just sayin;

Rand Paul may be crazy like a fox!

IF you had the choice.......would you rather go along with this knowing that you would use the NDAA against the bankers when the time was right?

I know this is fantasy at this point......if the good guy's gained the upper hand......would it not be nice to use their rules against them?

They are after all, Terrorists, correct?

I am a Ron Paul supporter.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:45 | 2508879 Cathartes Aura
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oh what a twisted tale we weave, when first we practice to deceive. . .

tell yourself the truth, and you'll free up a lot of mind space to act within.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 01:16 | 2509683 delacroix
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it's "tangled web"

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 01:41 | 2509702 Cathartes Aura
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I cannot tell how the truth may be; I say the tale as it was said to me.

you're absolutely correct, and I was adapting prose, my bad.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:09 | 2509129 agNau
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I Don't mind the red, just think there is more going on behind the scenes than many realize. That's all.
I am fully aware of the evil powers in charge. I saw it before MOST here!
There is so much s**t out there now that a straight up read is no longer possible. The chaos is part of it, as I stated many times here, and other sites. Balance is difficult, as planned.
That Rand would roll is not to be believed at it's face. That is what my previous post was about. There had to be a reason for the endorsement we don't know.
I want for our nation what our founders intended.....Ron Paul!
All I can imagine from this is they know something we don't.
We cannot reverse it, so let's see what comes out.
Go ahead and red this up as well!

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 03:33 | 2509791 ebworthen
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"I don't endorse all of Hitler's policies, but I endorse him for Chancellor."


Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:43 | 2508870 Likstane
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Rand Paul is a pussy coward.   Die like a man dies...uncompromised.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:45 | 2508880 squeal
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You want to find politician with integrity? They are not in office. They are quickly whisked from office. Any politician who doesn't suck the cocks of the MIC, the bankers, and the corporate oligarchs, will not last long.

See Dennis Kucinich, or for the inverse example, see Scott Walker (slurp slurp slurp).

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:46 | 2508881 lolmao500
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Compromise with tyrants is for weaklings. Rand Paul is nothing like his father.


Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:47 | 2508883 Salt
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I guess sometimes the apple does fall far from the tree.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:50 | 2508892 Treeplanter
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Romney is a putz but he will send Obama back to Chicago. God bless Romney. Go Mitt!

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:52 | 2508900 fuu
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Fuck You Rand!

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:28 | 2509175 kill switch
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I put a post up with Webster G Tarpley exposing Rand and Ron Paul as Romney's deflectors,, Why can't we just SEE WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING instead of following someone that talks the liberty BS that they have no coagulation with. The Paul family's nepotism... And I'm pissed because I supported him with 12k of my money on Peter Schiff's recommendation.. Where's Peter now?? He knows full well he was also duped. Peter is a great guy, and so is his father a great patriot,, my admiration to Irwin A. Schiff...a man that will be recognized as a hero to fight the illegal INCOME TAX

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:54 | 2508907 potlatch
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That anyone is surprised at this is a good indicator of their political awareness.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 17:59 | 2508914 lolmao500
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Well the MSM demonized Rand during his election... indicator that he was good.

Then he opposed the NDAA... another indicator that he was good.

He's the son of Ron... indicator that he had a good teacher...

Almost everything pointed toward him being at least better than most in congress... but apparently he just undid all of it by endorsing a tyrant.

So fuck him up the arse. (or there some grand conspiracy that Rand will become VP and Romney will be offed... making Rand president...)

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:08 | 2508929 Dr. Sandi
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I'll second that.

Anybody who has paid any attention to what Randy has said since election day realizes that he is PINO. Paul in name only.

This guy's just another bought and paid for zombie, like all the other interchangeable, screw one in and let him screw you politicos. You can screw in a red one or a blue one or even a purple one, and they'll all just keep on screwing.

And those who think that anything of substance will be different between a Romnoid and Obamanoid presidency probably still also believes in the Tooth Fairy. These guys are just pushing the buttons on the console when instructions come in from head office.

Damned shame.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:03 | 2509115 potlatch
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While not sharing their policy preferences, I will grant this: I think Ron is smart enough to realize, you cannot negotiate with a vampire.


Rand, I think he has a hubris problem.  Wait a sec, think he does?  This is the proof.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:01 | 2508922 carlsbadip
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With Daddy endorsing the Mitt, Rand had to be next.  The only suggestion I can give the hysterical is to read some Nat Hentoff and his decision not to vote for BHO because BHO has gone way beyond W and Dr. Evil Chaney.    

I read most post like this and come to the conclusion that the outrage is a bit too hyper and the intended  default of the wirter is to have readers conclude, "we might as well stick with BHO."


Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:01 | 2508923 Lord Drek
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Who here would wager that a threat of death/violence was issued by TPTB to the Paul family if Rand didn't come out in support of Mitt Romney? 

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:07 | 2508940 Dr. Sandi
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I see Rand standing there with a gun to his father's head, waiting for instructions from TBTB.

I don't think you can buy Ron Paul, but the kid's gone to the highest bidders.

Ron Paul's Randy kid is just like the children of most celebrities and heroes.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:17 | 2508960 LeisureSmith
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Poof and its gone! Whatever credibility Rand had went the way of the Dodo, but i suspect there is a nother Rand that is more ominous than the Paul variety. And that is the "Bland" corporation from Dr.Strangelove.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:37 | 2509033 LeisureSmith
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Who was Dr.Strangelove? Definetly the oldest link i ever linked to, but anyways.

RIP. Stanley Kubrick.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 01:25 | 2509688 Clashfan
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Will you guys all be saying the same about Ron when he endorses Rob-me? He certainly will (if he hasn't already?).

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:08 | 2509128 potlatch
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go back to your Counterstrike game, Tagg.  Yer dad aint that baddass.  sorry.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:03 | 2508927 TWSceptic
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Unfortunately that's how politics work. You're never going to be able to force only your principles into law, no matter how good they truly are. There are always going to be compromises. And for that reason government should be as small as possible, so that they can do as little harm as possible.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:04 | 2508928 americanspirit
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I've always felt that Rand had that "I'm really dumber than a stone and I'm a mean-spirited little rodent but I sure hope nobody notices" look, now I'm sure. But hey - it worked great for George W.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:11 | 2508945 slewie the pi-rat
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mittens is gonna get the R nod4prez

he will choose a VP who can help him get elected

in slewie's mind, randyP is on that short-list of republicans;  he brings a balance to the ex-goobernator of MA and the party money guy for 2012;  and his family served theParty very well;  especially in 2011-2012!

i'm not syaing good/bad/love/hate;  as usual, i'm just saying what i see happening;  if you think mittens is gonna try this w/ palin or mcCain you are wrong, imo

mittens can do the math people!

on a ticket of romney/randyP, how many dozen americans do you think will actually know who these two guys actually are? answer:  bakedBaker'sBiCheZ!

that's the ticket?  you gotta better1?

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:16 | 2508957 fuu
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I won't vote for it, but I concede you are right. Glad I still have so scotch left from earlier.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:37 | 2509039 slewie the pi-rat
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got any weed?  and $40?  L0L!!!

the repugnicunt trolls are gonna fuk us up on zH?  L0L!!!

like roaches at this point, tho!  all pushing lies, bigger lies, and propwashr to trump propaganandad

have ya heard, fuu?  the 2012 r-cunts don't like socialism!  L0L!!!

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:22 | 2509165 fuu
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Sorry used the $40 on the scotch and DoChen bought gold instead of us.

Just another reminder that there is no hedge.


Fri, 06/08/2012 - 23:13 | 2509549 slewie the pi-rat
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you know after the week ive had, it's just a formality...

consider this, fuu...

if we were convicted felons we wouldn't hafta think about this shit... 

not that there's anything wrong with that...

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 14:07 | 2510507 fuu
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Top bunk!

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:09 | 2509131 potlatch
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Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:15 | 2508951 Chaos_Theory
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What's the big deal?   Who made Ron Paul King and Rand the Prince?  F-ck ALL forms of the oligarchy.  Just 'cause Ron says some decent prose doesn't make his son worthy of taking some ideological torch. 

Besides, he's from Kentucky...the only good that comes from Kentucky is a basketball team and some bud.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:22 | 2508977 psychobilly
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"Besides, he's from Kentucky...the only good that comes from Kentucky is a basketball team and some bud."

Run, Johnny, Run!

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 01:30 | 2509691 Clashfan
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Right about the bball and bud (4 sure on that one), but how about Holley 4barrels, Corvettes, Louisville Sluggers, the world's best whiskeys, and some fine race horses? And the women are pretty wonderful, too, in case you don't know.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:15 | 2508952 XenOrbitalEnginE
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"look at Charles Krauthammer."


Rather not!

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:17 | 2508959 CaptainObvious
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williambanzai, wherefore art thou?  Your graphic genius is needed to depict Rand Paul as Percy Weasley.  Or Judas.  Or both.  Or anything else you want to do.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:20 | 2508966 razorthin
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Despicable!  I have no son! (rip).

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:23 | 2508984 Father Lucifer
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Just put those JAPS into camps in the desert till the war is over. I think we've been here before,

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:23 | 2508985 janchup
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If it came to it, Mitt Romney would detain only terrorists. Obama? People don't trust him.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:05 | 2509119 Bob
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Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:54 | 2509233 CaptainObvious
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Obama would only detain terrorists as well.  What neither of them tell you is the definition of "terrorist".  Hell, everyone posting on this board probably falls under the definition of "terrorist" if the law remains as broad and nebulous as it is.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 01:34 | 2509693 Clashfan
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Um, hey (waving arms at everyone): We're not just talking about detainment, especially with these drones buzzing around, prone to fuck up funerals and everything. Sounds like "Doc's Story" by JE Wideman, on the Philly gangs. In fact, I'll bet whoever decided it was cool to drone strike the funerals read that thing.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:28 | 2509004 LivermoreJim
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The 'trouble' with Rand Paul is that, unlike his father, he's a limited government advocate - his father, as well as most of his supporters, favoring NO government.

Both father and son are Republicans - but only Rand has the sense to realize one must support their party's nominee. He probably realizes much more: the extent to which violence prone Occupiers and anarchists have had a commanding voice in his father's campaign.

It is to the credit of Rand Paul that reason, not blind obedience to a dead campaign, rules his choices.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 01:38 | 2509698 dexter_morgan
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"The 'trouble' with Rand Paul is that, unlike his father, he's a limited government advocate - his father, as well as most of his supporters, favoring NO government."

Ron Paul believes in NO government, though has run for and been elected to a governmental position several times??.........where in the fuck did you ever get the idea he is some sort of stupid fucking useless anarchist? He's a constitutionalist, which means he is most definitely a limited government advocate and an advocate of personal liberty, but not anarchy. I think a lot of people have been supporting Ron Paul for a lot of wrong reasons, and many of the ignorant posts here bear that out.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:29 | 2509013 potlatch
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Rand got Bain'ed

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:31 | 2509018 Joe Sixpack
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I never cared for Rand. I was always afraid 9and rightfully so) that Ron is actually working for Rand's future.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:01 | 2509107 potlatch
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Ron Paul is *real* old school.  He believes in a purely heriditary system of social power.  Wrong family?  Fuck you pay me.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:36 | 2509025 dwdollar
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I feel so violated... Like a TSA agent whistling the Star-Spangled Banner just put both hands down my pants and squeezed my balls... And now, hours later, my balls are still sore.

I know I let my guard down with these two, but damn! Is there no one left you can trust?

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:01 | 2509111 potlatch
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Last time mine gave me "the spinning wheel".  Don't ask.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 01:35 | 2509695 Clashfan
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Okay, that's the second time you've about made me spit beer all over myself.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:18 | 2509151 Cathartes Aura
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learn to trust yourself, then work from there.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:36 | 2509031 tony bonn
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mitt romney is a terrorist nazi and card carrying member of the bush crime syndicate.....he shredded government documents as governor of mass, and, along with others of his cronies, took government computers and records to hide them from public view - ie his crimes

romney is adolph hitler's child born to him through satan....he is a wicked and evil man....just like obama.....

paul's endorsement of this monster his eliminated any support i may have had for him...

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:54 | 2509100 LivermoreJim
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Typical comment from the rotten underbelly of Ron Paul supporters. Ron never had the guts to throw them out. Kudos to Rand for seeing the truth and acting for the best interests of liberty.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 20:29 | 2509312 PeaceLover
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Are you getting paid for your posts?

How much to you get?

and do you get more money when the  blog has a IQ like most of ZH?

Just wondering


Sat, 06/09/2012 - 01:42 | 2509701 Clashfan
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I rarely feed trolls, Mr. Livermore, but I have to ask: What do you mean by "the rotten underbelly," and if you mean the folks on this site, what problems do you have with people who are against drone strikes, unreasonable search and siezure, and indefinite detention? Murder without trial? If you disagree, fine; I hope you say so and explain it to me. Maybe I will come around to your point of view that such tyrannical totalitarianism is necessary for some greater good (I doubt it, but hey, I might need a job one day).

But there's a difference between disagreeing with the folks on this site, most of whom are apparently espousing positions on civil liberties, and calling all of them "the rotten underbelly." Why do you feel that they deserve this derision?

Finally, how is it that you think Rand is acting "In the best interests of liberty" by supporting Rob-me?

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 01:44 | 2509704 Clashfan
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Dude, I'm not much of a betting man, but I'd just about bet that you have never listened to Give 'Em Enough Rope. It's too bad because this fits you just right:

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 20:45 | 2509347 toomanyfakecons...
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The coming MASS ARRESTS are aimed at Romney and his backers just ask much as they are aimed at Obama, the Bushes, the Cintons, and their backers. There will be no election in November... there will be an installation of someone far more legitimate than any elected President we've seen since the 19th century.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 01:47 | 2509710 Clashfan
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You've been spouting this for a while, TMFC. I have to think you know it's crap, sorry.

Er, I'm suspicious.

But whatever, if it doesn't happen, are you going to even still be around here to admit that you were wrong and then propose a new viewpoint of what's actually happening or why your predictions did not materialize?

Um, I guess no on that one, too.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:38 | 2509046 grekko
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Whoa here!  Let's not be hasty and jump to conclusions.  There is obviously something going on here behind the scenes.  Rand has been doing alot of really good things in the Senate.  There's obviously something going on that we aren't privy to.  As for Romney, he's a chamelion.  He will lie with a straight face and make you believe its what he believes in.  Maybe he suckered Rand, but I don't think so.  Remember, Romney is a close friend to Ron Paul and Ron never says anything bad about Romney.  Politics is a dirty game with alot being said that isn't exactly true.  I'm not saying anyone has sold out at this point.  What I am saying is that now we watch very closely.  Like a magician, don't watch the hand he is waving at you, look at the one behind his back.  I am 54 years old, and I don't believe Rand has sold us out.  This whole thing may be part of a grander plan.  Let's wait and watch.  Romney gets alot of money from GS.  He can't alienate big doners at this time.  I think that Liberty has a better chance with Rand endorsing the Mitt.  I believe that what is happening here is planned.  What Rand did is opening a door to the White House, albeit a back door, but a door indeed.  We are going to need this door in the years to come.  We can't have everything we want at once.  Change will take time.  We are ever closer to Mordor, and as Treebeard says "Don't be hasty!"  In the end, we will win.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:43 | 2509068 dwdollar
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"This whole thing may be part of a grander plan.  Let's wait and watch."

That's basically the argument of a Obama supporter 4 years in. He'll get around to it eventually I'm sure.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:47 | 2509077 razorthin
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Co-head of the NWO is certainly the grandest plan.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:02 | 2509110 jomama
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bullshit.  don't try to obfuscate the issue with 'grey area'.  

'Rand Paul now supports: big banks, NDAA2012, TARP, illegal detention of anyone, THE FED, unconstitutional wars, Policing the world(Iran is first), gun control and state mandated healthcare. Not bad after having a luncheon with Mitt Romney.'

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:38 | 2509199 jmc8888
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People thought that of Obama.  People can overlook the misdeeds of any politician if they want to bullshit themselves hard enough.

He's meeting with the banksters so he doesn't lose support and get attacked by them/throw their support to McCain.

He's doesn't really love the Queen of England. 

He'll take action on Wall Street, it must be obvious with what's going on with the crisis and him getting elected as 'change'.

But when Nero announced that Summers, Geithner, and Bernanke were on board after his election in Nov. 2008, it was irrefutable proof that the guy was not any sort of change.  Before it was guesses, but ones that were quite clearly easy to be right on. 

With his first acts, selecting his transition team/nominations, it becamse fact. Then came the announcement that the bailout would stand, and there would be no Glass-Steagall.  Followed by all sorts of other shit like his Fascist health care using pseudo metrics, and I won't list them all here. 

Subsequently he's pledged his allegience to the Queen and gave Banksters/Wall Street everything they wanted.  More money, faux regulations that allows them to ramp up the fraud even more while favoring TBTF over smaller banks.   On every count that people thought he was 'fooling' he wasn't. 

Rand Paul has a littany of remarks that shows all too clear where he really stands, and it ain't with the American people.   Just a lot of people heard 'republican' rhetoric against Obama and assumed as Ron's son he was like his father.  It really goes to show you how many people are STILL duped so easily.  How many will suspend their judgment and their brain because they here the ideological dogmatic red meat they've been trained like Pavlov's dog for so many years to react to.

Call Rand the reverse Skywalker.  Rand is to Darth what Ron is to Luke.  Well Ron's more like Han Solo, not as squeaky as Luke, but still on the correct side with many issues.  

We need to elect people that don't pull their punches.  Take on the banksters and their incorrect ideologieS, and make this their issues.   No more Keynesian bullshit.  No more Austrian bullshit.  No more MONETARISM.  Left-right is bullshit.  Austerity vs Bailout is bullshit. 

Candidates that focus on the fraud, the fraudulent setup, and again the ideologies that drive us to such a setups.  Candidates that know the physical economy driven by physical science is really an economy that produces wealth.  Candidates that have plans to utilize these points, and don't fall prey to the dogma of monetarism to misbelieve that it can't be done.

Monetarism, ANY FORM OF IT, serves the oligarchy. They developed monetarism afterall.  They started the various schools, and make sure that if one falls out of favor, another one will spring up.  If option 1, 2, 3 and so forth do the oligarch's bidding, how can they ever lose? By Americans understanding what America was created for, and utilizing that truth to free ourselves and the world.

People that believe Rand is under super secret mole duty are overthinking it. They are fooling themselves by turning off their brain.  If you're going to 'infiltrate' the oligarchy, you have to be a no one, and play the game for decades and basically lose your soul in the process just to get a shot at then changing everything.  Rand Paul, isn't such a person.  Geez he reeks of scumbag just when you look at him.  He doesn't even pass the eyeball test.

It's going to be amazing if Romney wins and suddenly all the dipshits who think Romney means change wake up to fact that he's just like Obama, who's just like Bush, so on and so forth.  A few differences here and there, but none where they really count.  Just enough to fool people into thinking there is a difference, when really there is little at all and none on the most important aspects.


Sat, 06/09/2012 - 00:36 | 2509648 Savyindallas
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Sat, 06/09/2012 - 00:37 | 2509649 Savyindallas
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grekko -I beleive you are right. I first contributed to Ron Paul 10 years a go. I have been a Republican grassroots leader in Texas since 1994.  I saw Ron speak again yesterday at our State Convention. A couple of my good friends spoke to him privately. I have no time for purists who want to bitch and complain and be a part of the permanent self righteous minority. The Pauls will never sell us out. They are now in the league where they are players who are now in the big leagues where they can bargain with the people with real power. Cut them some slack. They will not disappoint.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 01:27 | 2509689 dexter_morgan
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Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:38 | 2509047 snoopy
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I'm your son, Ron.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 18:50 | 2509087 SaveTheBales
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Happy Father's Day.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:05 | 2509113 newengland
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I will not vote for Mittens, nor anyone who endorses him.

My land, my people, my tradition.

Show me the money and the valour, then I'll think about it. This is the Republic, not some old world regency. Rand Paul, you disgrace your father's name. Not that I'm surprised, pretty boy pet of politics.

I am very unhappy with Obama, and any other person who thinks that the Republic is something to be manipulated for personal and political advantage. He got cynically lucky when he married that intelligent and compassionate girl, Michelle Robinson.

Beware of the cold fury and silent anger rising in the North.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:04 | 2509117 Temporalist
Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:05 | 2509120 jmc8888
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Rand Paul is a fascist, as clear as day to anyone who isn't befuddled by bullshit.  It's crazy that people who are on to at least some of the bullshit we face didn't see it before since their eyes have been at least partially opened, but hey at least some of his former supporters are honest and will ditch that fucktard as he continues to show his true colors. 

Rand has been espousing his traitorness for years.  It is funny that finally linking himself to Mitt finally did it and was one step too far.   Now that their eyes are opened to him, I suggest looking back at his positions and statements again from the past few years, and see if you can't find a few dozen 'hints'.  You should.




Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:19 | 2509155 IQ 101
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Could this mean that Ron Paul has the Vice Presidency, Let's make a deal !

Obama is in a weak position and a Romney /Paul alliance might be the only answer as the other options might tend to divide the Republican vote and give Obama the victory, that can not be permitted by any measure, from the perspective of both Paul and Romney and most Americans.

Either way, the next President of the USA is inheriting one of the greatest economic clusterf**** in the history of the universe.

Romneys elitist, business as usual,slightly bent socialisty approach to the situation pretty much guarantees failure, if he proceeds with business as it has become traditional to do in D.C. He will pretty much be screwed and will be holding the bag that has been stitched for him in the last several decades?    That could get ugly and he might walk away smelling like poo.

Don't forget, Mitt is a Mormon, perhaps he is seen in the Mormon community as the second coming ? If Mitt blows it, he could set the Mormons back a hundred years, it could be the best thing to happen to the "Latter day Saints" or the worst thing ever !

Perhaps Mitt and Ron sat down for a chat, it could happen,"Wow Dr Paul, that do's make sense", who knows.

Rand is neither a dumbass or a turncoat, political intrigueof the highest historical order is afoot here. It's unfolding will be facinating, I'm sure.

When Obama took his oath of orfice he was all hope and changey until they took him down to the Whitehouse basement and introduced him to the giant brained alien / showed him the video of how things really are/ or whatever it is they do? a few days later, Obama was the Second coming of George W Bush ?

Puzzle, Tapestrys and Weaving come to mind, and not from the hand of man.


Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:35 | 2509180 newengland
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And that' s another point. Mormon? WTF does that have to do with the Republic's experience? Nothing.

BIS, sort yourselves out. You chose the wrong men. Fix it.

There is only one reason why the Republic will continue: the Judeo-Christian tradition, and money, real money, real politics, real people.

There is no shame in making an error. There is only shame in continuing with it.

Sort this out on Saturday with the euro fail, then carry on with it. Punish the offenders, and defend the good: US/UK and anyone who is with us.

Keep calm. Carry on or lose your all, dears.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 22:54 | 2509526 Overfed
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Ever read the Book of Mormon or Pearl of Great Price? I don't know how anybody could call either of them holy texts and keep a straight face. They are so obviously plagiarized from the bible as to be utterly ridiculous.
Never mind that Joseph Smith was a con man with a taste for young teenagers, qualities that got him ridden out of town on a rail on more than one occasion. The other great pillar of Mormonism, Brigham Young, was a killer who was responsible for the murder of around 140 settlers travelling west from Arkansas.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 08:41 | 2509940 Disenchanted
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"the Judeo-Christian tradition"


that bullshit right there is a big part of the problem...


"Judaize" is defined by Webster in 1828 as: "conforming to the rights and doctrines of the Jews," and Noah Webster made reference to the Galatians, who the Apostle Paul addresses as, "Oh foolish Galatians."

Judaized Christianity has its taproot, not in the Bible, but in Zionist-doctored Israel-friendly study reference bibles, of which there are now many. The first of these was named The Scofield Reference Edition and was published by Oxford University Press in 1908, named after Cyrus I. Scofield. It was published 38 years before the State of Israel was created by the United Nations' mandate, but well after world Zionism set its sights on Palestine. "Scofield" was promoted through American seminaries into the hands of church leadership. It contains hundreds of pages of small-type footnotes, some of which shade the future State of Israel as a virtual god icon.

Oxford also inserted hundreds of "Sub Headings" between the verses that most readers came to accept as part of the scripture. Many of these are benign, but others have radically altered the meaning of the text. Judaized Christianity breaths these footnote in and out; it builds is quack-science of prophesy on the footnotes! Pharisee Watch will publish more analysis in the future, but we feel we have already adequately exposed enough to make our case, and to seal the future history of Judaized Christianity as the most successful hoax religion of all times. Pivotal to this was the bizarre bending of Genesis 12:3, endnote (1).



Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:26 | 2509161 PhD
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What matter of folly is this? Are we searching for Jesus? Is our only possible savior that of Sir Lancelot or king Arthur, holy knights of the highest order, purified of all evil, immune to all corruption, vessels of the will of god himself?

WTF is the point of this?!?!?

We need no saints, we need men of action. Men who are willing to sacrifice sufficiently, that including principles, to be at the right time, at the right place, when the time comes to make a difference.

Chances are that Paul is not among them, but I support every candidate who has a chance of making a difference!

Go fuck yourself!



Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:40 | 2509204 IQ 101
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Yes, we need Wholly knights and Wooly daze, you have them aplenty, i'm sure.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:43 | 2509210 newengland
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You appear to overlook the fact that the Judeo-Christian tradition gave the world the Protestants whose liberated thinking gave the world more for the masses, whilst the dupes of mere money power and politics abuse their people endlessley, eg the Middle East.

Mind your tone, debt slave.

Apart from that, how are you going to trade the political hateful sorts?

Do not tread on me or mine, pet.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:52 | 2509231 IQ 101
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Incoherent garbage, is Mao's candle salty in your mouth, slave ?

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:58 | 2509246 newengland
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My money, my people and our traditions will defeat your sort, debt slave.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:48 | 2509220 IQ 101
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That was a very quick edit of your crappy Engrish, do they let you leave China on occasion ? 

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 20:20 | 2509297 PhD
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Oh yes, sufficiently quick to make you appear as the fool you are!

Gå og pul mor di fittetryne!

Seriously, go fuck yourself, you know nothing and contribute even less. Fucking waste of space

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:55 | 2509241 IQ 101
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Qui Chang, it is spelled Holy, have another edit.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 20:21 | 2509301 IQ 101
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O.K. You are coming along quickly, let's do another re-edit.

What MANNER of folly is this ? Are we searching for Christ ?

(Sir Lancelot and King Arthur have only mythilogical weight in the west and are not truly considered to be any more real than Sponge Bob Square pants or Mickey Mouse), such references are mere phantoms and should not be used.Men of action ? Please describe such a man,Che Guevarra ?

Chairman Mao, Fidel Castro, Gordon Brown, Gordon Ramsey, Marc Bolan ?

Who shall we emulate, oh wise one ? the bringers of peace, prosperity and love ? or the bringers of Lobster and guitar solos that don't quit?

The Chinese have not had an original idea in 1000 years, how about YOU FUCK OFF.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 06:16 | 2509859 PhD
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Why the fuck do you keep on babbling about the Chinese!?

And what is a man of action? The fall of the feudal system was brought by men of action, men whos names we shal never know.

This is the game of thrones.

We need no heroes, nor any of the fables you brought forth.

We need men who belive in the virtues of man and with sufficient resolve to place himself at the right place to make a difference, when the time is right.

I Belive in Ron Paul as I share his views, i therefore also have faith in his son Rand Paul, despite these news of his fall. 


Sat, 06/09/2012 - 06:53 | 2509874 prole
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IQ 101 I read your comment that Rand might be endorsing Mit to get the VP spot for dear old Dad.

IF and I say IF that were the case I would be all for that. But it is my opinion that TJTB would NEVER in a million years throw us that kind of bone. It is more important to Mitten that he have a bonafide traitor sellout VP who reddens his palms when his master speaks in the senate, A CFR Bildergerg cleared New World Order minion (like Mit and Obomba, Biden, Newt etc etc)

That is important and only that is important, more important than Mit winning the election. If Mit made RP his running mate it would probably mean a win for Mit, with the entire sheepledom and neocons and RP supporters on board. But I think this is immaterial to Mit and now watch him choose a typical dual-citizen or other non-American as a running mate

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 20:38 | 2509331 toomanyfakecons...
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"We need no saints, we need men of action. Men who are willing to sacrifice sufficiently, that including principles, to be at the right time, at the right place, when the time comes to make a difference." The MASS ARRESTS are coming. As sure as the sun will cross the sky, they are coming. Men of action indeed.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:24 | 2509167 Billy Shears
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Hasta la vista, Signore Paul!

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:25 | 2509168 Spaceman Spiff
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They all suck.   Even the primary candidates were bad.   Gary Johnson the Libertarian has huge flaws.   Obama has proven to be a fascist, qe loving, war monger without a clue about the economy.  Romney could very well be the same or worse.   I'll take the question mark of a candidate before I take 4 more years of a proven failure.


Can I just vote for inanimate carbon rod?

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:42 | 2509209 Joseph Jones
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Huntsman was the best AFAIK.  During the primaries he admitted the actual cost for fuel, including taxpayer subsidies (war excursions, health/medical, etc), is $13-15/gallon.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 20:21 | 2509299 CaptainObvious
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I don't know about that.  The first thing I look at in a candidate is how much debt they have vs. how much cash they have on hand.  Huntsman is still five million in the hole months after throwing in the towel.  Not exactly the sort of person I trust to fix the deficit and economy, know what I mean?

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 22:49 | 2509519 Joseph Jones
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Thanks for the followup...I did not know that (as johnny carson used to say).  That's why I qualified it with "AFAIK" (as far as I know)...Still like that Huntsman rides motorcycles...even broke bones in the not too distant past, showing up to work in a cast while Governor of my fair State of Utah (ranked tie for best run state with NH when he was governor)....we've got a $1/2B surplus now which isn't too bad with only 2.8M population. 

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:29 | 2509174 loveyajimbo
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Why not direct the venom at the asscheese that bought us the NDAA... Obama?  Or the douche-bags that brought us the "Patriot" Abortion: Bush/Cheney.   Or the Supremes for allowing corporations to buy elections?  In a coin toss, one probably votes for the lesser of two evils and BO is a Kenyan dirtbag. If you rag on someone for endorsing Mitt over BO, then you are voting for BO... and that makes YOU a total moron, not Rand.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:48 | 2509221 newengland
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Vain, aintcha. Imagine that your sort who care for nothing but self have anything to offer the Republic, but your shallow conceited self-serving nothing...much like most of Washington and Wall St.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 20:17 | 2509293 PeaceLover
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voting for the less  to two evils is still EVIL EVIL

when you talk about moron,
think about this voting for a  evil of any kind makes you complicit,
Good news if your 8 yr old could vote I think god give him a pass because he doesn't know any better!

I think most of us on ZH know better.

If you have the time watch this, if not go to about the 1:06:30 1:07 area.




Sat, 06/09/2012 - 02:19 | 2509722 Clashfan
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Jimbo, just because Bushmonkey and I'llbombya brought us those things, does that mean that the newcomers who support them are innocent in all of this? Aren't they equally responsible or worse? And aren't they likely being directed by the same folks behind it all, especially if they refuse to vocally oppose all of the crap?

Isn't support of Rob-me support of all of this?

So what's your point again? Direct the venom where instead? Why again?

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:35 | 2509193 Overfed
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Either Rand sold out, or we'll have a man on the inside. I suppose it's possible for the good guys to have a manchurian candidate. We'll find out soon enough.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 20:53 | 2509362 msjimmied
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What Toomanyfakecons said.

"You CANNOT be serious."

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 22:58 | 2509532 Overfed
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Junk me for some wishful thinking then. Geez. I think having a liberty-minded Paul on the inside might just be a good thing.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 07:00 | 2509877 prole
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I don't think having Rand or Ron on the inside is guaranteed even with the endorsement. I for one wish for that, but establishment/ 25 standing ovation types like Mit don't open the door for R and R.

I see Rand making a conciliatory gesture like this, and I see mainstream Republicans squashing and discarding him regardless. No VP, No cabinet postion for either Paul.

I hope I am wrong and I would love to see a Ron or Rand VP on the Romnimbus ticket, that would get my vote out

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:39 | 2509202 Joseph Jones
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Michael Chertoff is Romney's foreign policy advisor.  I can  think of few to no worse persons for such post. 

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:50 | 2509228 newengland
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It's the economy, stupid. The people distrust the Washington and Wall St elite. Quite right too.

Tell your master to repeal the NDAA, statist theft.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:55 | 2509232 newengland
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Your sort have the bare face bureaucratic cheek to send better men on endless war while skiving at home and taking every privilege in your ivory towers. Louis the Sun King and communists love your allegiance to  the elite.

The North sees your lies, and markets will decide, not you and your snivelling cowardly globalist bureaucratic pets of the central bank cartel.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 20:33 | 2509319 toomanyfakecons...
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You CANNOT be serious.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 20:50 | 2509358 Bartanist
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Great! Back to OVERT neoCON Luciferian politics, instead of covert Luciferian politics.

Chertoff is the of the same ilk as Cheney and Rummy ... total Luciferian dirtbags.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 07:04 | 2509882 prole
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Did they change the name of our "essential ally" to Lucifer Land?

I can't keep up with all the neo-jargon.

I thought Chertodd was a dual-citizen of his country Israel and US, now was I wrong?

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 21:14 | 2509395 Arkadaba
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Oh yes Chertoff of Rapiscan Systems (among other things and no I didn't make the name up) now used in most US airports by the TSA ....

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 23:00 | 2509533 ableman28
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Whoa there JJ. Anybody that looks like Dr. Death can be counted on to scare the crap out of our enemies just by giving them the eyeball.  Worked on me. I'm staying in line.



Sat, 06/09/2012 - 02:21 | 2509724 Clashfan
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I did not know that JJ. Thanks for the info.

Fri, 06/08/2012 - 19:54 | 2509234 John Law Lives
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I don't know why people are surprised by this.  There simply are not enough votes (i.e. there are not enough enlightened people) to win a POTUS election as a conservative 3rd party candidate in the USA.  If Rand Paul wants a career in politics, he realizes it must be within the GOP.  I am not at all surprised by this, and I believe this is a main reason Ron Paul will not run as a 3rd party candidate.  He was not going to put his own son in the untenable position of having to choose between the GOP and his own dad.

Rand Paul did this to SURVIVE as a viable GOP politician.

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