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Guest Post: The Trouble with Rand Paul
Submitted by John Aziz of Azizonomics,
Rand Paul just endorsed a man who is deeply hostile to human liberty.
Perhaps that’s Rand’s idea of playing politics? Come to the table, strike a deal, get what you can. Trouble is, it’s tough striking a good deal when the guy on the other side of the table believes that the government should be allowed to claim — without having to produce any evidence whatsoever — that certain people are terrorists, and therefore should be detained indefinitely without any kind of due process.
That’s textbook tyranny.
Yes, I would have [signed the NDAA]. And I do believe that it is appropriate to have in our nation the capacity to detain people who are threats to this country, who are members of al Qaeda. Look, you have every right in this country to protest and to express your views on a wide range of issues but you don’t have a right to join a group that has killed Americans, and has declared war against America. That’s treason. In this country we have a right to take those people and put them in jail. If I were president I would not abuse this power. But people who join al Qaeda are not entitled to rights of due process under our normal legal code. They are entitled instead to be treated as enemy combatants.
Mitt Romney
Except, if the government had any evidence they were really members of al-Qaeda and engaged in a war against America they could be charged with offenses under current laws and tried in front of a jury of their peers. As was proven when Judge Katherine Forrest struck down the indefinite detention provision of the NDAA as unconstitutional, the real detention targets are people like the ones who brought the case — writers, investigative journalist and whistleblowers: people like Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Daniel Ellsberg, Jennifer Bolen, and Birgitta Jonsdottir.
Rand Paul might have done some good work trying to filibuster the Patriot Act, but endorsing Mitt Romney goes beyond the pale. The NDAA is Romney’s most egregious transgression against liberty, but not far behind are his desire to start a war against Iran, to increase military spending, to start a trade war with China and his belief that corporations are people.
I know I will never agree with any politician on every single dimension of every single issue, and that to some extent politics will always involve compromise. Certainly, I disagree with Ron Paul on some issues. But Mitt Romney’s stances on these issues seem much, much, much closer to Barack Obama than they do to Ron Paul. In fact, he might as well have endorsed Obama for President.
And the Ron Paul supporters are noticing: Rand has probably burnt most bridges to his Father’s supporters now. His Facebook page has seen a huge outpouring of fury:
Just lost a lot of faith in a man I otherwise adored.
You suck Rand! Traitor!
That’s why this country is doomed! Even the person you trust is a sell-out. I’m done with politics, people deserve what they get. Let the country run itself to the ground, and still people will not understand what freedom and self-responsibility is about. People want big gov’t, big brother every step of the way. Well, they got it. The rest of us, might as well try to move to another country or find an island and move there.
I knew I’d never vote for Mitt… Now I know I’ll never vote for Rand.
He has fully sold out to the bankers
Endorsing Romney is tantamount to an utter sell-out of conservative principles.
Did George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison try to compromise with King George? Or — when it became obvious that they were facing tyranny — did they stand up for the principles of liberty?
I have always been uncomfortable with the children of politicians becoming politicians. Every anointed child feels like a step away from meritocracy. Dynasties are dangerous, because the dynasty itself comes to be more important than the qualities of the politicians. Who would Rand Paul be if he wasn’t Ron Paul’s son? Just another neocon. Neocons often have a few “unfashionable” libertarian or constitutionalist sympathies; look at Charles Krauthammer. But — unlike Ron Paul — the neocon never has the spine to do much about their libertarian or constitutionalist sympathies. They just ride on the establishment steamroller, into foreign occupations, empire building, corporate welfare, and banking bailouts. Into Iraq, and soon into Iran.
Rand Paul just got on the steamroller.
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Then don't whine when the bond vigilantes deal with the U.S. and Europe.
The rest will have to deal with it in their sun shiney pretty wordy world in the rest of the world, ie Europe, the Middle East and the Far East.
Thanks for confirming how very venal the Washington brats are, and their sort in London, Brussels and other government capitals.
"Then don't whine when the bond vigilantes deal with the U.S. and Europe."
What? I don't recall commenting on that subject.
Whats happening now is that corporations are more powerful than nations, and as such strong corporations are taking control of weak nations, Goldman Sucks - italy/greece...Spain?
Its pretty easy there are always people willing to sell out their countrymen for cash, most of em wear suits and trade market movements rather than producing something of value.
Surprised? It was Rand Paul who said, on live television the night he was elected, that attacking the rich was wrong mainly because "we all work for rich people". Point taken, Rand, but to accept and even assert that the feudal nature of modern life resembles what it always has, a few with most, some with a little, and most with nothing doesn't help either. Its not precisely attacking the rich that is the point of conflict. Its attacking the corrupt and unfair business practices that allow the rich to accumulate and then defend their wealth. The mentality that things are supposed to be the way they are accepts a playing field that is grossly tilted.
The Tea Party, embraced as an insurgent movement by sophisticated operatives of the conservative wing of the Republican Party is so totally defanged that it can't see past the ridiculously easy racist, sexist, religous, manipulations that have channeled its energies away from any real threat to the real single party rule that governs America.
Before some yayhoo complains that my point of view simply accepts what Obama offers I'll tell you that the political parties are joined at the wallet. They are simply two ends of a continuing kabuki which is intended to pacify the population into believing there is a choice when there is none and that whomever they choose will represent their interests against the others who do not.
This is all a charade. What brings the curtain down is actual or near financial collapse which lays bare the real interests of the the ruling class who are neither liberal nor conservative they are wealthy and power driven........and they intend to stay that way.........no matter what.
After the MASS ARRESTS occur, the political actors who piss on the Consititution will no longer be joined at the wallet. Rather, they will be joined at the wrists and ankles... then perp walked in front of the cameras 24/7.
This has got to be the hot new "Double Reverse Inverse Clone your adversary take his position and make it absurd" brand of trolling.
Dude, or Cass as the case may be, if there are going to be any mass-arrests, it's going to be the CONSTITUTINALISTS who get rounded up and shot. Constitutionalists are already designated by our masters like SPLC/alphabets as fringe/militants to be watched and tagged for future termination. (in so many PC words)
So you are either deluded, or you will be the one who will round up the Constitutionalists, and you are merely mocking them now. Which is it?
It's a tough call. The Masters are outnumbered. They are not out-gunned. They have better training and if need be, drones and nerve gas.
Ya, they have nerve gas and with the Iran/drone story they can say Iran hacked their drone network. See persistent virus story, something that can't be removed from the drone network but has been tried 3 times.
Both such stories have permeated the back-scatter of the story/narrative.
Add that together with insurrection = massive attack on populous + spin-story + removal of trouble-makers + invasion of Iran.
Get it?
The trouble with Rand Paul is that he's a no-holes-barred grovelling two-bit punk.
FUCK Ron Paul & Rand Paul!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone that has/was or is to Dumb to haveNOT seen this one coming is just looking for the newest chapter of the two headed one party system and is prob Too STUPID for their own Good!!!!
Yeah Ron Paul 10 term Politician, he's gonna SAVE us, my ass
Just my 2c - Your Delusion May Vary YDMV
Ron Paul is retiring. I don't think he gives a shit.
This may put a dent in my vision of the military installing Ron Paul as temporary President after the MASS ARRESTS take place this summer. Oh well, there is always Sheriff Mack and others who are able and willing to fill the voids when hundreds of NWO stooges, from Obama and Brenanke on down, are in chains and perp walked in front of the entire world.
Dude the military are the attack dogs for the NWO Bildergerg traitors. Pure and simple. They will shoot you and me at the orders of Lord Bildergerg (Lord Kissinger)
Mass arrests of NWO stooges is the HIGHT OF DELUSION. The mass arrests are going to be of White Christian Males, or "untermensch" sub-human scum.
Wake up and smell the Gulag.
But, since you have predicted mass arrests of NWO Stooges, this summer, will you stop spouting absurd predictions when this does not happen this summer? Shall we say september and then you'll come back to reality? I eagerly await your post in september when you'll say how wrong you were?
And I see your true colors
Shining Through
And I see your true colors
And thats why I @&^# (hi NSA ;) you
So don't be afraid
To let them show
Your true colors
Your true colors
Your True Colors
are beautiful
like a toilet bowl....
See ya in selloutsville Rand.
Given the overwhelming hate against Rand Paul, I hope Ron finally sees what a bunch low life's have attached themselves to his campaign and comes forward to support Romney - and his son.
...and ends his political career?
A. Lucifer
B. Lucifer
C. Lucifer's Bitchez
Rand Paul, You sell out fuck! Romeny is a fascist police state corporate stooge. He is the banker, wall street rip off artist who crashed the entire economy in 2008. To have Rand Paul throw away freedom and liberty to endorse a hitler like prick like Romeny !
This country is finished, from now on it is simply a bloated police state empire backed by a money printing gaing of stooges at the Federal reserve.
Ha. The Pauls, your heros, were always Isreali firsters. That was speculated by someone here a long time ago.
You are prob right. Pretty sobering.
Have you got an extra Yamulka I can borrow, might keep me out of Auschwitz for a bit?
Son of a ....
Scotty, NOW would be a good time - like tout de suite.
Seeing a picture of Rand Paul's jack booted supporters was a new low during the 2010 election, and I am not only talking about the one who stomped on a woman's head. There were plenty of pictures of middle aged, overweigtht white men armed to the teeth, just spoiling for a fight with god knows who. The only thing Rand has got going for him is Ron, and the educational level of the state that voted for him.
Thank you for your post, I think I begin to see what is going on, by the comments of the anti-Paul crusaders.
The woman whose head they "stomped" was a professional agitator non? Her "head stomping incident" was a perfectly played media score against RP non? And your using the incident now in a post is just cashing in the dividends for that successful media event, GOAL!!!
Perhaps there is still life in the "middle aged overweight white man" yet??
I wonder your height and weight MS?? Whites weren't the only fat sheople last time I was in Walmart hmm?
Why the heck would anyone want to be elected? You can't do shit.
I'm waiting for a US General to grab power and straighten this place out.
Kudos to ZH for calling a spade a spade.
Honestly, I was very worried about you guys a few months ago with your huge support for Ron Paul (who to my eyes has been an obvious fake for a long time). I am very glad to see that you are sharing this significant info at a crucial time.
Other than that, I wish to encourage people to realize that we don't HAVE TO vote for the 2 main parties: there are some good choices amongst independants and small parties...
Ron Paul an obvious fake for a long time? lol
Oh this is great. C2 I don't know from which end of the Gulag you post, but the glee with which the anti-Paul side are jumping in is something to watch!
RP an "obvious fake for a long time" ? Really I am confused by that
I salute you on a post well done! (IDK if you are a Commie or a Neocon, or a true freedom lover posting)
But after reading these posts let me just say Rand I hope you know what you are doing and not just getting played by the dual-citizens/traitors/bildergerg types and Lord Kissniger
The most glaring indication was/is Ron Paul's refusal to recognize 911 'truth', his abject attempts to buttress the 911 lies - I guess that shit doesn't matter to you?
It didn't help that Ron Paul calls Israel a 'friend', and that his weak criticisms of that vile apartheid state amounted to nothing more than arguing that we should stop giving them billions of dollars a year in aid, rationalized by the fact that according to him we shouldn't be giving money to any foreign countries. The importance of the last part being that clearly, as far as Ron Paul is concerned, Israel's false flags and terror operations are of no concern and Israel is basically just a country like any other.
=> thus Ron Paul is supporting once more the lies of the mainstream, with no regard for decency.
There are so many other things I could mention, but I'll close with the following: when one part of the mainstream (eg: Jon Stewart) tells you that 'the mainstream is ignoring Ron Paul', clearly that is FALSE. How dumb do you need to be to fall for such doublespeak? Ron Paul was not being ignored by the mainstream, although certainly he was weakly attacked by some and praised by others, as is usually the case. They simply want to make sure that all the anti-system people are following the lead of 'their' man, so they can keep a lid on it and keep defining the issues.
Do I sound like a commie or a neocon to you? Really? You, on the other hand, sound like a troll, although you could just as easily be a 'freedom lover' who is deeply entranced by the cult of personality that has been built around Ron Paul.
Learn to think for yourself. You could (should) have seen this coming...
Toilets and lightbulbs...this is what we are paying this man for? Not to mention he has the best healthcare plan in the US that he walks away with a nice fat pension that I have to contribute to after he has been in office for only a term. Perhaps if he wasn't so full of shit he wouldn't have problems with his toilets.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/03/rand-paul-toilets-light-bulbs/1
Love his dad though....
i imagine the statute of liberty will just hurl herself into the sea at some point
And I imagine that will happen immediately after they remove her crown and construct a powder blue UN helmet in its place, and they install a compact fluourescent lightbulb on the torch in the place of those evil global warming-causing flames.
The mods at Ron Paul Forums are closing my threads. What a fucking joke.
I hope you are enjoying your freedom of expression, Ron Paul-style.
Wow, I feel similarly to how I felt when Joe Strummer died or when Clarence Clemons died.
This is really depressing. Many of the comments on the thread have cheered me up, though. Hope for liberty does not die just because some politicians sold out. In fact, it really should not be that surprising.
And you folks can call it what you like (blackmail, death threats, bunker deals, VP deals, cabinet deals, etc). I call it selling out.
If you want a good litmus test for politicians in the future, ask them where they stand on 911 truth. If they can't give a straight answer, stay home, and keep your money in your pocket. Lesson learned? Hope so.
As soon as you use Noam Chomsky to defend your position you lose all credibility. He is an avowed and extreme America hater.
One of two people will win Nov and Paul understands that. Do you prefer Obama? What is Paul supposed to do? Support a candidate who has dropped out and can't win?
As soon as you use Noam Chomsky to defend your position you lose all credibility. He is an avowed and extreme America hater.
One of two people will win Nov and Paul understands that. Do you prefer Obama? What is Paul supposed to do? Support a candidate who has dropped out and can't win?
As soon as you use Noam Chomsky to defend your position you lose all credibility. He is an avowed and extreme America hater.
One of two people will win Nov and Paul understands that. Do you prefer Obama? What is Paul supposed to do? Support a candidate who has dropped out and can't win?
Do I prefer Obsama?
Over what? His white mormon clone?
How do Romney and Obama differ?
What do they differ on? Gay marriage? I couldn't give less of a fucking shit about that when actually important issues are at stake. What do I give a shit of two, three, or a dozen people call themselves married? Who the fuck cares?
I'm suppposed to be picking one fucking asshole over the other based on that? SERIOUSLY? It's two fucktards I despise who agree on everything I disagree on, and you are asking me which one I perfer? I prefer no fucking president if those are my two choices.
I mean, what kind of fucking scumbag would endorse either of those two fuckers? Oh, I know, Rand Paul. If Ron Paul were dead, he would be spinning in his grave, but he's not - I'm sure he's merely mortified that his son is becoming the same sort of glad handing suckup scumbag that he's fought against for 30 years.
LOL. You were expecting a choice? You are far from understanding what is happening.
I'm entirely aware of what is happening.
What I'm commenting on is the stupidity of people who aren't.
As if I'm supposed to care if Obama or Romney are president when the important policies that they push through are the same policies, and policies that are unconstitutional and wrong.
Great Post RW. So it all boils down to where these two phoneys stand on "gay marriage" I agree ~who gives a fuck!~
Only way I would get enthusiastic about gay marriage is if some of our troll posters would be a little more honest and declare their own life/style partners, or it Romnel and Obomba would themselves get married. That might be entertaining.
(OK my post sucked, but I still liked your post where you highlight how Obomnit are commie NWO clones)
So Noam "is an avowed and extreme America hater". It does not matter. What matters is if he is right or wrong.
Hard for Americans to understand I know.
Pen, I've taught Chomsky (WOOaN), and I agree w/you. He's right and brilliant on much.
You should see him respond to 911 and JFK questions, though. Hard for some to understand, I know. What matters is if he's right or wrong, and he's very (VERY) wrong on both of those. My reaction is well beyond disappointment. The pertinent question there is how such a brilliant man can be so VERY wrong about those two things. The possible conclusions are not good.
The only thing Chomsky is right on is US foreign policy.
He doesn't know shit about economics. Here's a fuckhead that thinks taht it's a failure of human beings that socialism doesn't work. What the asshole doesn't realize is that socialism is a failure because you can't change human beings unless you're willing to start killing off people that disagree with you to cleanse the pool. He's one of the most retarded fuckers today when it comes to economics. It's his freaking god and he's too fucking arrogant to admit when he's wrong.
But I have have to give him credit, he understands US foreign policy and he's right about that. Just because he can recognize that the sky is blue doesn't mean he can understand also that socialism doesn't work. People are lazy, people rip off the system, and people in the government are more interested in getting a paycheck and enlarging their power and salary than they are interested in improving society. He can't see this, because in some respects, he's one of the most stupid people on the planet. The only reason people pay attention to his stupid economic views is because he's got some correct views on the US government abroad.
Haha.
Rand Paul is to Ron Paul like George W. bush is to George H Bush.
He's not his father. He's going to become a grovelling, whimpy pushover who is going to live off from his father's legacy. I feel sorry for Ron Paul having such a shadow of a son.
Dubya's Dad? you're comparing Ron Paul to BushDaddy? yeah, that's some legacy the Bush family has given amrka. . .
I'm no fan of George H. Bush, but he was a relatively competent president.
His son violated the 4th amendment, lied us into a war, doubled the national debt in 8 years (well, what president hasn't in the last 40 years?) created free speech zones, and destroyed any semblence of intellectuals in the Republican party - ending anything useful or good about it.
Yeah, the distance between George Stupid Bush and George Bush Senior is about the same distance as Rand Paul suckup and Ron Paul. About 40 miles.
Bahahaha....
Five pages of useless comment (include mine).
You are the system.
Who cares about Rand or Ron Paul? They are the system. Things will never change for the better with the current system. Don't U get it?????
You Are the System!
lol...
So now that the Paul politician family has fallen from the cliff of everyone's high, moral expectations, what do the rest of us (you) do?
How odd that the obscure, white, funk band, Wild Cherry, has the prescient piece tonight (granted, it's a cover): "Nowhere to Run."
Rock on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrHHhUPZLUM
Rand Paul would have never been elected it not for his father.
Now that he's abandoned that, and frankly sold out, he's on his own. Can he navigate the bullshit of the Republican party and speak the empty rhetoric of it? We'll see, but he'll never seen any support from me.
People are disgusted with Washington, and he just jumped in and allied himself with the shit.
TPTB, including Clinton are lining up to throw Obama under the bus. Not that he doesn't deserve it, but he can't be so stupid not to see this is last and only chance to turn the tables and unleash the DOJ and the regulators on these fuckers.
Ha, down arrow from me. Sorry. Keep hope alive. Ha!
Sorry, again.
This is fight club. Blessings. :)
Suck it, bitchez, I've been saying this for a long time.
The country as we knew it is finished, the only thing left for it to do is collapse.
Well bring it on and get it over with. If Rand Paul gets beheaded in the process, I'm not going to feel like it's a bad thing. Whatever. You sleep with these mangy dogs, you get fleas.
He's trying to do a deal with the devil. He may be playing politics, but he's playing with fire, and his supporters are jumping ship because they feel betrayed. I'm probably going to sit out the general election, after all, if voting made a difference it would be illegal. Damnit, this sucks. I was actually wanted to believe he was different. Like one of the Facebook posts said, I'm done with politics. Let the sheeple get what they deserve.
Mark 8:36 - "
For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
If there is a Paul on the ticket as VP I will vote for sure 100%
I will probably vote just to write in Ron Paul, but in that case I might just bag it and stay home and drink.
Considering between Traitor1 and Traitor2, if anyone can make a case to me that either one of them is
less likely to kill Assad of Syria, I will vote for that one.
This hasn't changed my position about Rand Paul at all - I'm still on the fence waiting for the real moment of truth.
So disappointed.
Your disappointment comes from expecting anything that remotely appears like an American or American values out of ANYONE in DC.
Rand has gone down the path of choosing the "lesser of two evils" which is a bunch of BS! That is the fatalistic mentality that losers take to justify their unwillingness to stand firm and be called a radical. Wonder what Washington and the boys would think about Mitt? Wonder if they would just say, "Since he is the lesser of two evils and the GOAL is to get Obama out then we had better support him". Hell NO, they wouldn't. They would take the ballot and write in who they thought was the best man for the job.
The true Americans are going to have to go on strike in this country if we ever intend to get anything done. NO ONE is listening and we had better use what leverage we have before that is taken away too. We need to strike at the public schools, the tax front, the job front, the contributions front, the consumption front, the voting front. We need to walk away and let these socialist/commie punks have it for a while. Everyone here who is mad about what is happening needs to start taking little steps to remove yourself from the system as much as possible. Quit trying to live like everyone else and expecting different results. Get yourself out of debt. Quit thinking you have to keep up with everyone's spending. Quit buying new cars when yours is just fine. Quit running up the credit cards at Christmas on crap that will be in the landfill in 6 months or less. Quit going to Disney just because everyone else is. If you want a "bloodless" fight, then you had better start "suffering" on some of your wants and desires. That is where they have everyone by the short hairs. They get you and me wanting something, wanting more, wanting it now and we compromise and sell our futures and souls to get it. FOR THE SAKE OF THIS COUNTRY......STOP! Quit all the complaining and start doing. Quit waiting on some corrupt or soon-to-be-corrupted politician to "fix" things for you. BE AMERICANS!!! Rely on yourself. Do it yourself. Find like minded people and work together. Quit trying to have it all! Freedom cost. Right now it might just cost you some money, fun, or discipline to quit being like everyone else. If you don't like that, then just wait, keep doing the same things and it WILL cost you EVERYTHING.
Its time for a third party just so we can vote with a clean conscience. Screw winning! It's about doing what is right. We didn't declare our independence from England because we would win, we did it because we were RIGHT.
Hope you get cancer R.
Sean Hanidy is a fucking DICK and I hope you get cancer Rand. FUCK AMERICA - ITS OVER NOW YOU MOTHER FUCKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM NOW A HATER 4 LIFE!!!!!!!
you're an ignorant ass. People like you enjoy being in the permanent self righteous minority. Or vote for obama-If Rand is on the ticket, I will vote for he and Romney. - What other fucking choice do you have? I'll take my chances.
Stupid troll. Obviously we don't have to vote for either one of the fake mainstream 'choices': we can vote for whoever we want.
What the liberty movement should be doing at this point is identifying valid candidates. What all Americans should be doing is
a) realizing they should NEVER vote for either a Dem or a Repub
b) searching for legitimate independants
Granted, especially with the electronic voting, the die is cast and the fix is in, but at the very least we should have enough dignity to not only vote for legitimate people, but also to ignore the endless blather that comes from these fakes and shills, as they keep trying to 'define the issues'.
Double post : X
Has no one heard of ROCKY ANDERSON!!
Has anyone on this thread looked at the ever mounting evidence that THE PEOPLE WHO KILLED 3000 AMERICANS AND CANADIANS WERE NOT AL QUEDA - BUT GEORGE BUSH AND GANG?
BUILDING 7 - Dancing Israeli's - the novice pilots flying miraculously with precision, guiding passenger jet right on target into the Pentagon - the 1200 expert testimonies - the absurdity of George Bush's place at the time of the first attack on homeland soil, the sound bites of the contradictions of these main figures who used the event to Shock and Awe an entire city into RUBBLE killing and displacing a couple of hundred thousand people FOR NO APPARENT REASON other than an agenda that has been ongoing - DESTABILIZING THE MIDDLE EAST.
You stupid fucks deserve the country you get. You are blind fools and deserve to live with no hope for more than what your slave masters allow you to have. The way the USA has been run is the way a govt runs a country before they abandon it, including looting of the treasury.
I'd side with the "politicians fear for their life and shake in fear of the powers pulling the strings rather than their actually believing we have al quaeda to fear. Al queda and terrorism were created by the terrorist nation called Israel.
Roll over and play dead. Let your grandchildren know first though that you threw your arms up in the air and said "whatever" to the life they will lead in a nation ruled by rogue bankers, a nation that has left the citizens in middle and lower class America out of the equation.
YOUR ALL ARE PATHETIC!
see earlier posts...........
and/or the last one.
Uh bunny, make that rant somewhere else, or at least on ZH you can say "America, you and me are pathetic" or something like that. Are you superior to us?
Don't forget the easily hackable voting machines and the foreign company responsible for taulating votes from a large number of areas around the country.
It is not he that casts the vote, but he that COUNTS the votes that matters.
It is a charade, plain and simple.
This immediately sprang to mind and seems appropriate.
"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
Sam Adams
Philidelphia State House, August 1, 1776
I suppose if we decide rand is the root of all evil now, we can just turn our support to one of the many other libertarians in congress. Remember, his dad Ron has never worked outside of the republican system, so its not all that surprising that rand is working with that system. It does give me pause, though, since as far as I know, Ron Paul is still a presidential candidate--at least in some theoretical sense.
"Many other Libertarians in Congress" !!LOL
The banality of evil. I mean Mitt Romney, not Rand Paul.
Bought and paid for
Or Blackmailed into submission
Americans are being lead to theor slaughter
I wont be surprised to see Ron Paul & Bernanke
privately laughing together, slapping each other's back and giving Hi 5's
I saw Ron Paul speak again yesterday at the Texas Republican State Convention in Fort Worth. I have been a State delegate 11 times in the last 22 years. I have run two Statewide State Chairman campigns over the last 20 years. I have known and admired Ron Paul for 10 years and have actively supported him in both of his Presidentiall runs. I am a big supporter of Rand. I do not share the negtive views of posters here. I trust the pauls -whatever they are doing , they are doing for the interests of America and Americans. They will never sell out. You may disagree with their tactics and stratehgy (which none of us know) but you should never question their motives or integrity. UNLESS YOU ENJOY BEING IN THE PERMANANT SELF RIGHTEOUS MINORITY (and their are plenty of those out there ) coalition building and political compromise cannot be avoided.
Until proven wrong. I choose to take a positive approach to this -maybe it's an indication that Romney is not as bad as people think he is - people do change.
I trust the Paul's --there is no other viable option out there
Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters.
The phone's tapped anyway.
"Blah, blah...blah, blah, blah."
Heard too much bullshit over the past 30 years; principles, not talk and hollow endorsements.
No more bullshit. This is a HUGE mistake from Rand Paul.
Even if Obamney asks him to be his VP I will still write in "Ron Paul" on my ballot because the GOP sucks ass.
I saw Ron Paul speak again yesterday at the Texas Republican State Convention in Fort Worth. I have been a State delegate 11 times in the last 22 years. I have run two Statewide State Chairman campigns over the last 20 years. I have known and admired Ron Paul for 10 years and have actively supported him in both of his Presidentiall runs. I am a big supporter of Rand. I do not share the negtive views of posters here. I trust the pauls -whatever they are doing , they are doing for the interests of America and Americans. They will never sell out. You may disagree with their tactics and stratehgy (which none of us know) but you should never question their motives or integrity. UNLESS YOU ENJOY BEING IN THE PERMANANT SELF RIGHTEOUS MINORITY (and their are plenty of those out there ) coalition building and political compromise cannot be avoided.
Until proven wrong. I choose to take a positive approach to this -maybe it's an indication that Romney is not as bad as people think he is - people do change.
I trust the Paul's --there is no other viable option out there
It was an endorsement. Should we argue what the definition of endorsement is? After that we can argue what the definition of is is.
Well, if it was nepotism...then Rand will be truly welcomed
http://www.mrm.org/nepotism
"I did not have sex with that Woman."
Um...no thanks...tired of that bullshit.
It was an endorsement. Should we argue what the definition of endorsement is? After that we can argue what the definition of is is.
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That is what US citizens do. That is the way of their manners.
Hard for them to admit anything self indicting. Much better to mediate to reality through fantasy.
I'm sorry, but what do you not understand about the considerable difference b/t Ron's and Rand's foreign policy?
BIG DIFFERENCE, and it is not good!
To summarize and paraphrase the argument of all the apologists at Ron Paul Forums...
"Well, it isn't Ron, we have to wait and see what he does before we get angry."
WTF??? So you're telling me that the son of a political candidate didn't consult his own father before he endorsed another man? Get a clue...
Suckers.
Rand is young, and he has got decades ahead of him where he wants to be a political player and not get kicked out on his keester. Ron is old, mebbe he is getting tired of the windmills, and the Tilting.
Maybe Ron wants to ride off into the sunset? I just hope Rand is playing hardball and staying in the game and not selling out. IIRK at one time Newt made a "contract with America" and said all the right things, but he turned out to be a NWO sellout stooge, one of the worst of them BTW.
Time will tell.
Yeah, Rand will be a great status quo politician before the end.
"Time will tell."
Like I said somewhere above, many Obama supporters make that same argument 4 years in.
Suckers.
DW to compare Obomba to the Pauls is too rich IMO. Obomba was a 100% establishment lackey on his knees servant of Israel speaches that promised nothing with encouraging tone of voice BS master from day one. He fooled no person on earth.
RonP is a 30 in politics defender of Liberty never waivered hero. He could have sold out many times and made his way easier, he did not. Dr. No. I'm just saying I am holding out hope for Rand to do the same.
EVERYONE has a sellout price. This is why big government will ALWAYS fail as long as humans are humans. Ron's price was to see his son "succeed" in politics. Looks like Rand is off to a great start.
Reading the comments of apologists here and on Ron Paul Forums, I see NO difference between Obamanoids or the blind Bush supporters of yore. In fact, having closed/banned threads is the same kind of shit the neocon warmongers use to pull when they began losing an argument-- and Ron Paul Forums was doing that last night on any honest debate about this fiasco. What a colossal waste of time, money, and energy for everyone. All Ron had was his integrity and his legacy and he completely fucking destroyed it.
Got to wonder how that gells with this voice?
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Ron Paul on Washington's War Drums for Syria
Politics / US Politics Jun 04, 2012 - 06:16 PM
By: Dr_Ron_Paul
Politics
War drums are beating again in Washington. This time Syria is in the crosshairs after a massacre there last week left more than 100 dead. As might be expected from an administration with an announced policy of "regime change" in Syria, the reaction was to blame only the Syrian government for the tragedy, expel Syrian diplomats from Washington, and announce that the US may attack Syria even without UN approval. Of course, the idea that the administration should follow the Constitution and seek a Declaration of War from Congress is considered even more anachronistic now than under the previous administration.
It may be the case that the Syrian military was responsible for the events last week, but recent bombings and attacks have been carried out by armed rebels with reported al-Qaeda ties. With the stakes so high, it would make sense to wait for a full investigation -- unless the truth is less important than stirring up emotions in favor of a US attack.
There is ample reason to be skeptical about US government claims amplified in mainstream media reports. How many times recently have lies and exaggerations been used to push for the use of force overseas? It was not long ago that we were told Gaddafi was planning genocide for the people of Libya, and the only way to stop it was a US attack. Those claims turned out to be false, but by then the US and NATO had already bombed Libya, destroying its infrastructure, killing untold numbers of civilians, and leaving a gang of violent thugs in charge.
Likewise, we were told numerous falsehoods to increase popular support for the 2003 war on Iraq, including salacious stories of trans-Atlantic drones and WMDs. Advocates of war did not understand the complexities of Iraqi society, including its tribal and religious differences. As a result, Iraq today is a chaotic mess, with its ancient Christian population eliminated and the economy set back decades. An unnecessary war brought about by lies and manipulation never ends well.
Earlier still, we were told lies about genocide and massacres in Kosovo to pave the way for President Clinton's bombing campaign against Yugoslavia. More than 12 years later, that region is every bit as unstable and dangerous as before the US intervention - and American troops are still there.
The story about the Syrian massacre keeps changing, which should raise suspicions. First, we were told that the killings were caused by government shelling, but then it was discovered that most were killed at close range with handgun fire and knives. No one has explained why government forces would take the time to go house to house binding the hands of the victims before shooting them, and then retreat to allow the rebels in to record the gruesome details. No one wants to ask or answer the disturbing questions, but it would be wise to ask ourselves who benefits from these stories.
We have seen media reports over the past several weeks that the Obama administration is providing direct "non-lethal" assistance to the rebels in Syria while facilitating the transfer of weapons from other Gulf States. This semi-covert assistance to rebels we don't know much about threatens to become overt intervention. Last week Gen. Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said about Syria, "I think the military option should be considered." And here all along I thought it was up to Congress to decide when we go to war, not the generals.
We are on a fast track to war against Syria. It is time to put on the brakes.
Dr. Ron Paul
Project Freedom
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At least there is still one guy telling it straight to the US people about who the vile war-mongers and thieves of this world's future really are, sitting right there in Washington DC, with Pentagon offices filled with the world's most infamous and unpunished collection of war-criminals, doing ZOG's dirty-work.
Of course this was going on while the Bildebergers met, eh?
He'll be singing for Rob-me soon, too, with his trademark grin.
He's not "telling it straight" to the US about 911, and if he's not doing that....
Sadly this all appears to be about lining up the political capital to attack Iran.
Know thine enemy.
The worst prophecies are the self-fulfilling kind. Perhaps that why Jefferson so strongly advocated a separation of church and state.
WHen will Ron put Rand over his knee?
This is hardly news. Rand Paul said a long time ago that he would support the eventual Republican nominee. Three weeks ago, Ron Paul's campaign chairman said that without tens of millions of dollars it would be impossible to campaign in the remaining primaries and that existing resources would be used for getting delegates at state conventions. Since then, there have been rumors that the Paul and Romney campaigns were having discussions. Two days ago, Ron Paul wrote his supporters stating that including Ron paul supporters pledged to Romney, he expected to have a little over 20% of the delegates in Tampa. In other words, enough to have influence but not enough to win. Only after that announcement did Rand Paul say that he would be supporting Romney. Reread my second sentence.
If Romney does not win, Rand will be much more accepted by Party regulars in 2016. If Romney wins, Paul will operate with more clout in the Senate. Since Rand is one of about three liberty congressmen and he votes with his Father about 90% of the time, there are about 450 others who deserve more dirision. A lot of people joined the Republican Party to be Ron Paul delegates. That could be considered dirtying oneself just as supporting Romney in a Romney-Obama race is compromising.
Your Republicrat horn is showing, Rhino.
Hmm I like Stayaway's explanation, Am I a Rino too?
I have to admit I "want to believe" here. If Rand can stay in the game after Ron retires, regardless of everything else, we will have one voice for Liberty in the Senate.That may be all Ron ever was, but still that is worth more than the other 600 traitors and dual-citizens put together.
Without Ron Paul in the Congress these past years, the Entire US Senate would just be a non-stop traitor's ovation to Natanyahoo with no counterpoint whatsoever.
Long Live Rand Paul!!
Thanks for stating the obvious.
It turns my stomache, but everything you stated is true.
Rand Paul has yet to go back on a single thing he promised in the primary and election to Senate. He is one of only three voices in the Senate even close to supporting the Constitution. Nothing has changed.
There would have been no point to Rand Paul NOT endorsing Romney. It would have proved exactly nothing.
I don't like it, but I see at some point anyway he had no choice.
I also see, and have seen, that many "here" attack him more than, say, Mitch McConnell. That I will never understand.
They have two Senators and a Congressman who vote 90% of the time with the Banksters and they attack Rand Paul or Ron Paul as "sellouts"'.
Fools.
Blaming a Paul for selling out is just plain ignorant. This family has always been straight up with America. If Rand didn't believe Romney would be so incredibly better for libertarians than the man from Honolulu, he would just walk away.
"Every country has the government it deserves (Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite") - de Maistre's Lettres et Opuscules Inédits vol. 1, letter 53, written on 15 August 1811 and published in 1851.
Rand, you made a huge political mistake.
Douche bag.
And to the Paul staff that brokered this fiasco - fuck you too.
If you don't understand that the republican party WANTS Obama to win by fielding a vapid teflon hack like Romney - AND you publically support him?!, then you are truly children lost in the wilderness.
PS Rand, you have the worst hair in politics.
Please, explain to me how important hair is to America and our future. Are you really that shallow? What if he was bald, would that then be ok with you?
Next, explain to me how he could have done something better.
Last, tell me about your two Senators and Congressman, I would like to know how much better they are than Rand Paul.
Thanks.
Your poster above is so wrong about the hair thing. James Trafficant FTW!!!
BTW "our future" is simple, we are a military and economic Colony of our Master Israel.
We are an occupied territory
Where did the idea come from that Ron Paul is some kind of useless stupid fucking anarchist that believes in NO government? He is not an anarchist, and if some anarchists are supporting him because they think he is an anarchist then they are stupid. Ron, and Rand from what I've seen, are constitutionalists - people that believe in government, but a very limited form as as originally envisioned in the constitution, and one that supports and respects individual liberties. That is not anarchy. The original constitution specified real money and had no provision for a central bank, hence his desire to eliminate the Fed. As a side benefit, getting rid of the fed would go long ways towards breaking up the power of the global banking cartel. That does not make him a useless stupid fucking anarchist, it makes him a limited government constiutionalist. WTF.......
ROCKY ! ROCKY ! ROCKY ! ROCKY ! ROCKY ! ROCKY !
i swear he's all we've got, even tho' he doesn't seem to be doing shit. (and maybe that is exactly what makes him the right man 4 the job)
Tut-Tut Rand; do not ride coat tails and do not pander, you dope.
Why does any Republicrat need to endorse Romney? Just a way to limit your representation of the residents of your State.
Why does this simple realiziation not dawn on these politicrats?
You are there for constituents of your State and no one else.
Did George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison try to compromise with King George?
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Yes, they did. Their please to the King was made as proper Englishmen. The uncompromized attitude of the King set up on their revolutionary spin.
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Or — when it became obvious that they were facing tyranny — did they stand up for the principles of liberty?
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Nope. They set up the US citizen trend:they did not disagree with tyranny, they disagreed with being tyranized.
US citizens clinging to a fabled past. One US citizen opposing one's fantasy to another US citizen's fantasy. Unable to accept most immediate reality.
Tyrants can war among themselves.
US citizen nature is very homogenous. No diversity in it. US citizens are uniform.
Most comments the US citizen author addresses to US citizen Rand Paul, Rand Paul (or anyone else by the way) could address to the US citizen author.
The remark has value: because it shows that actually US citizens do not bear each other, they can not stand the expression of US citizenism by another US citizen than themselves.
For the moment, US citizens have reached their gentlemen's agreement on extortion and farming thanks to the existence of non US citizen preys. As long as US citizens can gang up on those preys, quiet will be maintained.
But the stock is being depleted by US citizen efficiency and by non US citizens turning into US citizens.
Coercion, submission, propaganda, fantasy, injustice, war, all these masqueraded as freedom, truth and justice.
The US citizen world.
Im sure you have a very meaningful point to your comments, however the language you use masks that point completely..
Wrong. No language can mask US citizenism. No language can conceal US citizen eternal nature.
That is the lesson to be taken from the so many failed US citizen propagandists and fantasists.
Nobody has to understand, read, ponder over reports and predictions on US citizenism.
All it takes is watch US citizens. Reports and predictions on US citizenism do not require the consent of US citizens.
AnAnonymous said:
What about French citizens?
They are not US citizens? Proud followers of US citizenism tradition? Since when?
Again trying to sell the idea that US citizenism is the same as US citizenship? That US citizenism is a nationality?
Speaking of denial, and mediation through fantasy.
Now clearly, as the populations predated by US citizens are collapsed, US citizens will have to cannibalize each other (so far, they have only eaten non humans or sub humans so, no cannabilism)
And yes, they are going to sing the song that this or that is not US citizen.
But left, right, center, libs, cons, dems, reps etc all are US citizen, no matter what.
The US, England, Spain, France, Canada, Japan etc are all US citizen nations.
So keep clinging to your fantasy that US citizenism is US citizenship, your US citizen eternal nature will bring you back at it no matter what, cause you cant do without fantasy.
I have a Fantasy where you and Colonial Intent/Cathartes run off in a gay marriage and start your own website
If you're having fantasies about two gay men on their honeymoon i think you have a bigger problems than you care to admit.
Dude have you tried praying the gay away, those unnatural urges that grip you every time you get in the lift with that bellboy will pass in time.
Be strong brother.
XXX
There is only one Ron Paul.
Rand Paul is a loser, a failed pretender.
100% agree
And I do believe that it is appropriate to have in our nation the capacity to detain people who are threats to this country, who are members of al Qaeda. Look, you have every right in this country to protest and to express your views on a wide range of issues but you don’t have a right to join a group that has killed Americans, and has declared war against America. That’s treason. In this country we have a right to take those people and put them in jail. If I were president I would not abuse this power. But people who join al Qaeda are not entitled to rights of due process under our normal legal code. They are entitled instead to be treated as enemy combatants.
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US citizenism.
The group is all for US citizens. The group is undivided while the individual is the collection of bits coming various undivided groups.
Treason is determined through allegiance to the group not loyalty to principles.
This is how it works with US citizenism. And this is what US citizens keep expressing through their US citizen eternal nature.
"people like Chris Hedges, Noam Chomsky, Daniel Ellsberg, Jennifer Bolen, and Birgitta Jonsdottir"
Surprised to see these dangerous communists getting a favourable mention on ZH ;-)
How will these news affect the price of hookers and blow?
You got any hot tips on Hookers? Provide some useful input and I might be able to stand your insults and trolling
Morning Prole, never had a hooker so couldn't comment......
How much do you charge?
supply of hookers is up due to ruined economy, prices will drop, cops protecting bankers instead of more mundane activities essentially creating a 'deregulatory' environment for hookers ... deflationary.
I think you guys are all wrong. I understand it, but I'll explain what the problem is:
Rand is a smart guy. He understands the system, and unlike his father he really wants to be part of it so he can actually change it, instead of just sitting at the side. He has the following choice: he can do the same as his father and never be in power, or he can compromise and try to change the system from within. It seems he has chosen the latter. Why are people mad at him for that? Even Peter Schiff, who isn't precisely known for liking the government, has said that it's better to have Rand there with Romney than some big government guy. You have to understand that Romney has no principles, so he can be steered either way. Rand may be the guy that really changes things. Or he can be the next Ron Paul and change very little (in the system). That's a personal choice, and I do not see how you can hate him for that.
Yeah change the system from inside... we've heard that a thousands times and it's BULLSHIT.
Can you change a cow from eating grass? Can you change a fish from living in water? YOU CAN'T. The scum running the government are statists/tyrants at their core, they won't change, can't change, it's their nature. So you have to KICK THEM OUT, that's the only way things are gonna change.
By that logic, the USA would never have been founded. Because its constitution was formed in similar circumstances...
People like you are ensuring that things will never ever change. You should really be mad at yourself.
Take you hoodie and sunglasses off TW. He's a little boy politician riding on daddy's coat tails and he cares nothing for you, me or anyone else unless we serve his ladder interests.
I do not trust any politician. So you don't have to warn me for anything. However if we want to change something, we have to make difficult choices and sacrifices. This doesn't seem to dawn on you.
that is exactly what leftists think Obama and the democrats are doing... the 11 level political chess game bullshit. I see no difference between the political parties whatsoever. Conservatives think Obama is socialist, I think he's a fucking fascist just like bush (trade, foreign and economic policies damn near identical)... whatever ... most of the language painting various 'opposing' politicians come out of the political messaging operations run BY the political parties.. then everyone, or most who actually listen to such stuff, parrots their talking points.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war"
Daddy recognizes that it is the SYSTEM is the problem, Junior thinks change has to come from within that system. There will be no change from within it, the only way there will be change is to crash it to the ground and start over. You know I did not vote for Obama, but I did think he was genuine in his slogan, hope and CHANGE. He also thought that change had to come from within and if anything he is proof it cannot be done. I knew he was doomed to failure before the primaries in 2008, he was so naive and in over his head, and he still is. Unfortunately for all of us here RON PAUL is never going to be president, and there is no other person on the horizon that understands that if we are going to be even alive no less free people the system has to be destroyed because until it is we will all suffer as slaves, and there is a time limit, it is running out.
Politics is also the art of the possible.
Ideally, Rand would not have made any pact with Romney.
You cannot change the US into a Libertarian/Constitutionalist system overnight. It took a long time to drift away from the Origniators, it will take time to educate and bring it back in line with their founding ideals.
Look at 2010. Many constitutionalist congressmen were elected. In 2012, the process will continue.
Remember your Grandpa's democrat party? They did not go Red overnight.
Too many Libertarians are "all or nothing." You keep your values close, go to the table, get a little, come back later and get more.
Mittens? Well, at least he is an actual American who does not hate his country. He won't eat my dog if he swings by on campaign. If that's what we have to start with, that's where we start.
Why are we here? We all fell asleep at the wheel. Don't blame Rand. Blame yourself. Now quit crying and let's get started taking our Republic back!
You are correct in not discounting the anti-dog eating voters.
On a serious note, your make a lot of sense.
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Wow, a lot of response to Rand accepting the number of the Suicide Vampire Squid Beast. That is a good sign.
...anyway. Yeah, sad to see. Rand is not someone I would want in Heaven. Oh sure, ''normal'' guy, bla bla blaaa, you voted for one of the two party evils. LMAO. I never knew you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbC_571dksE
gotta love the anger and for some the time to undermine support for R Paul.
to the grown ups on ZH..politics at the national level is a nasty business as we know.
to change how washington works is a project of years ..Rand's face tells alot while speaking on this.
we will know in november if he got major concessions..for the GOP needs the tea party and those who support R Paul, they need them badly.
today is not the time to loose hope for us..if this turns out to be a real change in the FED or military policy we will have won.
We know already.
Using US citizenism.
US citizen Rand Paul has got major concessions. Else he would not have compromized freedom, truth and justice to sell out to US citizen Romney.
Anything is going to be painted as major concessions, even the absence of concessions, that will be through US citizen nature, masqueraded as a major concession.
US citizens have always had that leaning for dynasty building.
They would welcome a caste system.
AnAnonymous said:
The masquerade is a central pillar of US politics. Voting is a masquerade which is used to convince voters that they have exercised power and influenced government. Elections are masquerades used to cultivate the illusion among voters that they have a choice. The two-party system, with its exaggerated partisan wedge issue theatrics, is a masquerade which cloaks a one-party system at the core.
Concessions are not really concessions; in US politics, a concession is an agreement on the original goal.
For example, if the goal is a spending increase of 30 percent, one "party" will propose an increase of 50 percent while the other "party" will propose an increase of 10 percent. After reaching a minimum threshold of oppositional partisan play acting, concessions are announced and the original goal of a 30 percent spending increase is agreed upon.
The additional propaganda bonus is that, since the 30 percent increase is less than the 50 percent increase, it can be marketed as a spending cut.
Too bad you can't make a point without stereotyping the people of an entire continent with your broad brush.
Never have liked RP's little boy. Like him even less now. P-o-l-i-t-i-c-i-a-n riding on daddy's coat-tails?
Politics is the art of the possible. Romney is the nominee. His dad lost. Romney has the delegates. What is Rand going to do, endorse Obama? The nomination fight is over, and Rand Paul's job is now to work from inside the party to advance the principles he believes in.
He doesn't have to endorse ANYONE, for cryin' out loud! This is an obvious attempt to herd the Paul camp under the Romnoid tent. Good luck with that....
If the Paul group refuses to believe not voting Romney will somehow make things better - they're stupid.
You've got a 93% of blacks that will vote Obama, you have anyone calling themselves a democrat voting Obama, you have anyone right now looking at the government to give them money voting for Obama.
If the Paul group believes that they have anywhere near the number of votes required to beat even one of those micro-constituencies - they're stupid.
The vast majority of Americans form their political opinion based on what TV and newspapers and entertainment lackeys say...just because what, 5 million people, like and want Paul and what he stands for (I'm one of them, you can review my posts - Paul is the only on that will do what it takes) doesn't mean you can will him to victory. But his impact will be felt in the elections.
We have a sociopathic-communist-tyrannical bastard child in the white house daily eroding and seeing to the destruction of anything good left that stands of the US.
We must first eliminate (by voting) the pests in the structure before we can begin amelioration. To leave the termintes in the structure and build around them because we don't believe in insecticides - why bother rebuilding.
Obama is the one who signed NDAA and the kill list bills.
Obama can drag any American off the street, kneel them down on the white house lawn and blow their brains out according to the laws he passed in secret AFTER he went and publicly said he wouldn't sign the bill into Law.
If thats not Tyranny I don't know what is....
Right now Obama could just -off Romney and cut his competition out.... and no one would be able to say a damned thing.
Kinda freaky if you ask me.... people should be worried, especially with the rumors circulating around the white house that Obama has lost his mind as is not all there mentally (something like comparing him to Nero or that other Roman dude who made his Horse a sitting sentator and then latter married it).
Supposadly Obama has the same mental disorder according to insiders (rumor/who knows)
I feel bad for anyone who won't vote for Rand now. Why? Because they allow impractical beliefs to override practical approaches to realistic scenarios.
Why endorse Romney, indeed? I'm not a fan. Don't want him to be president. But if you're TRULY HONEST about a Libertarian philosophy, you have to accept a few central tenets:
1. most people are not Libertarian, and even fewer people really understand it
2. Getting a Libertarian elected this time around is unlikely, though it's great we're finally getting some headway
3. What's the first step to winning any election? Controlling the agenda. How do you control the agenda when you're on the fringe? You don't.
4. Small steps are necessary along the way.
5. This nominee sucks, but so do all the others who have a realistic shot at eliminating Obama. So, you do what is politically practical to get what you need to reach your goal.
Look, I'd LOVE to have a philosophically pure Paul win. This would result in some meaningful change, no doubt. But it ain't gonna happen, so I'm not holding out for it. Why would I be so stupid? I'll vote my conscience when I can, then vote in a practical fashion when I must.
Rand is doing what is probably the goal of the Paul campaign all along - get on the agenda. Get a spot. Control the most important parts of the platform if you can.
Libertarians, sometimes, forget that while they abhor politics, everything in the political realm is...well, political. It sucks, because Libertarians would prefer that politics give way to common sense. But this never happens. So you take steps to get there.
I'll vote Romney in a Romney vs. Obama election, primarily because I view both as a threat, but I view Obama as a larger threat. I don't see that either will be an appreciable improvement over where we are now, but I'll take my chances.
Last paragraph says it all.
For me, the boat is leaking bad, we need to plug the leak. Then we can worry about crew, direction, etc.
"Not me, I'll never vote for Romney, Obama is a much better candidate and will do more to return us to at least a semblance of what used to be."
--Idiots that refuse to support Romney for some 'purist' reason
Inspector Bird,
That was an excellent summary. People here are angry that Rand Paul "sold out", but Rand Paul did what he had to do to survive within the GOP. The reality is there are simply not enough votes for a Libertarian Party candidate to win the POTUS election. Ron Paul made his career in the GOP, and Rand Paul intends to do the same.
Ron Paul got big by challenging the system, not comprising with it. That is the ONLY reason why he got big. I guran-fucking-tee it. This is the beginning of the end for Pauls. I guran-fucking-tee that too.
I live in Texas, and I have known of Ron Paul for some 30+ years. I just voted for Ron Paul in the POTUS Primary in Texas. Ron Paul was never elected to Congress as a member of the Libertarian Party. He knew he couldn't likely get elected as such, so he always ran for Congress as a Republican. The same is true (and will remain so) for Rand Paul. The Libertarian Party also does not have enough votes to win at the national level. Rand Paul did what he had to do to survive as a member of the GOP. If he refused to endorse the GOP nominee now, he would not get a spot at the table. It is hard to have political influence when you don't have a spot at the table these days.
At a college in Colorado illegal immigrants are now going to pay four thousand dollars less per semester than out of state rates for US citizen students. By the way, the private sector is doing fine. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Rand Paul is an extreme right-wing tea party candidate. Other than having the same last name and being a doctor, there is no resemblance between him and his father.
if this man just endorsed obama-kony like a good racist he would be praised by the leftards who suck the dick of entitlements...war is coming
Kony will be assassinated within two weeks of the election. Obama will brag about it and then direct Eric Holder to find the source of the leak.
I think this thread has reached it's zenith...
Rand Paul is going to be vice President, this is not rocket science
NOT UNLESS HE WAS AT BILDERBURG AND WE ALL MISSD IT!
Rand Paul, just another asshat like all the rest.