Guest Post: War With Iran Is Coming

Submitted by Jame E. Miller of Miller's Genuine Draft blog,

The rally for what could be World War III is in full swing.

In what amounts to a grotesque instance of outright pandering, Department of Defense head Leon Panetta recently spoke at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee’s annual conference and assured the audience that “we will keep all options – including military action – on the table to prevent (Iran) from obtaining a nuclear weapon.”  You know you live in a kleptocracy when one of the heads of the federal government openly appeases perhaps the most influential and financially flush lobbying groups in the country.

Panetta’s assurance confirmed what the majority of Americans have long feared- that their government stands ready and willing to involve itself in another war despite public opinion being in opposition of such an excursion.

If the Republican presidential primary has proven anything, besides the propensity for politicians to offer only vague pronouncements and crowd pleasing sound bites on complex issues, it’s that the bloodthirsty urges of the GOP are incapable of being quenched.  For years, the neoconservatives who make up the Republican establishment have been pounding the war drums over Iran.  About 33,000 American military deaths in Iraq and over 1 million Iraqi casualties have done nothing to dissuade the warmongering rhetoric of the candidates (with the exception of Ron Paul).

On the same day as Panetta’s address to AIPAC, presidential candidate Mitt Romney laid out a “comprehensive” plan to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon in a Washington Post editorial.  What does this “comprehensive” plan entail the reader may ask?  Simple; just throw more money at a defense department already blowing through its coffers at a sum higher than the top 14 military spenders in the world combined.  Armed with political theorist Frederic Bastiat’s invaluable concept of the “unseen,” one can only begin to imagine the technological breakthroughs and consumer satisfying goods such money could have been invested towards if not being pilfered into nation building, military contractor boondoggles, and supporting imperial aggression abroad.

While Romney is busy trumpeting the image of a towering, maniacal Iran on the precipice of waging world war, as syndicated columnist Eric Margolis points out, Iran’s military, in actuality, is quite weak and utilizes dated equipment.

The mainstay of Iran’s air force remains about 60 ancient US-built F-14 naval fighters, F-4 Phantom strike aircraft dating from the Vietnam era, and some old US F-5 trainers. Iran also has a grab bag of some 25 Soviet/Russian Mig-29’s, a similar number of capable SU-24 strike aircraft, and some 20 Chinese outdated F-7 fighters. The US-supplied aircraft all suffer from metal fatigue and are more of a danger to their hapless pilots than an enemy.

Romney is far from alone in his prodding Iran into war to stoke public fear and win the White House.  GOP candidate hopefuls Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich have long admitted their desire to launch a military strike over Iran’s pursuance of nuclear arms.  The Trotskyite influence of placing the divinity of the state and its leaders on a moral pedestal is still a dominant feature of the neoconservative movement despite its supposed opposition to collectivism.

Meanwhile, the Obama administration has continued to stress it’s preference for abstaining from a military strike despite its track record of continued interventionism abroad.  Well known to any fair minded observer, the Obama presidency hasn’t been one of foreign peace as promised during the 2008 campaign but has embodied the same perpetual warfare that defined the Bush administration and virtually all presidencies dating back to the time of the Spanish-American War.  From ousting Libya leader Muammar Gaddafi and bombing the country’s China-provided oil infrastructure to deploying troops in Africa to hunt down the leader of a rag tag militant group posing no threat to the U.s. and no bigger than a small Amish community, the devotion toward military imperialism remains alive and well within the White House.  Unmanned drone strikes which have escalated under Obama’s leadership are thought to cause more civilian deaths than actually fulfilling their goal of killing terrorists.  This includes at least 168 children.  Last Friday, March 2, 2012, the Pentagon even admitted that U.S. forces are now operating and fighting within Yemen.

Since when was war declared on Yemen?  When were the American people told their blood and treasure was being spilled in yet another country?  None of these excursions were Constitutional but that slight conditionality has long seen been forgotten by the three branches of Leviathan.

In regards to Iran, the administration’s “diplomatic” approach of sanctioning is quite unfitting for a man once bestowed with the Nobel Peace Prize.  Only in our world of Orwellian speak would sanctions, that is the barring of individuals to trade goods with other individuals in another country, not be considered an act of war.  Starving a populace to induce change is no more humane than starving a dog so it will fight more aggressively when pitted head to head in a match with another canine.  Sanctions are only exacerbating the pain of the Iranian people and “are turning into a form of collective punishment” according to Hooman Majd writing in the New York Times.

History has shown that countries backed into an economic corner, such as Japan after Franklin Roosevelt’s oil embargo, often react in an aggressive fashion to the presumed perpetrators.  This is why Iran recently threatened to close the Straight of Hormuz, which almost 40% of the world’s oil passes through, after the threat of enhanced sanctions by Western nations. Given the fact that the U.S. has over 40 bases surrounding Iran, it doesn’t take a tie die wearing beatnik high on hallucinogenic drugs to see who really controls the power dynamic.

(Each star approximately represents a U.S. military base though the map may be slightly inaccurate due to changing policy)

With the administration now seeking to provide assistance to the opposition forces in Syria, intervention and war with Iran is only an eventuality at this point.

The worst part about this whole affair is the fact that there exists no proof that Iran is really pursuing nuclear weapons.  After Panetta’s declaration that the U.S. will take military action against Iran, one wonders if the Defense Secretary simply forgot that he let slip last January on CBS’s Face the Nation that the country wasn’t pursuing nuclear arms.  The same goes for the Israeli lobby which conveniently ignores the head of Massad, Israel’s intelligence service, admitting that Iran possessing a nuclear bomb would not pose an “existential threat.”  It’s even more disingenuous that the likes of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and Christians United for Israel continue to lobby for a U.S. lead war in lieu of only 19% of Israelis supporting a military attack.  Israeli Prime Minister “Bibi” Netanyahu has no interest in the desire of the people he was elected to represent as he pushes for military assistance from the U.S.  He is the typical politician obsessed with his own legacy of heroism even if it means the loss of his countrymen.

When it comes to warmongering and increasing the size and authority of the state, the opinion of the people matters little.  This has always been the golden rule of statism.  War with Iran is coming despite all opposition.  The certainty that a nuclear Iran attacking an even more heavily armed Israel is the equivalent of mutual self destruction won’t stop the war propaganda.  The election of Romney/Gingrich/Santorum or reelection of Obama will not bring a different result.  If Ron Paul were to somehow reach the presidency, the pressure from war lobbyers would be overwhelming.  As messianic as the Texas Congressmen is, being Chief Executive alone doesn’t guarantee the rest of the bureaucrats won’t pursue their own agendas.

As Jeffrey Tucker, editor and publisher of Laissez-Faire Books, writes

Nor is it the case that any of the elected officials have the power to do serious damage to this system. This goes for the president, too. They can often influence the way the state grows, but they can’t actually fundamentally threaten the apparatus itself. The longer they are in office, the less personal power they realize that they have. The reason is simple. The system is not structured to permit them to dismantle it, even if they wanted to. They are temporary managers of a ruling class, and the members of this class mostly scoff at these people, treating them like actors on a stage that the class itself owns.

The truth amounts to very little on the eve of war.  Iraq and the lies surrounding weapons of mass destruction proved this lesson almost a decade ago.  Unfortunately for the people of America, Israel, and Iran, the political class and power wielders of their respective governments refuse to learn.  Their desire is for more authority and prestige; no matter how many bodies it costs.

Comments

[Element]

A few months ago I would have said war was inevitable.  Now I think a substancial battle will occur, simply so the US can save face and kill a lot of people, but a protracted expanded regional proxy war? 

Maybe not (read below), it seems they are finally beginning to look for ways to climb down.

Obama and fellow clowns are realising that they may have bitten off more than they can chew.   That "THE PLAN" is actually complete bullshit.  That a war with Syria and Iran would be a large and devastating war, extremely damaging in even unforeseen ways, and it would roll on for years without clear resolution.  But it certainly would end with an effective US and NATO withdrawal and self-apparent defeat.

Plus there's a very good chance Iran already has nukes.  

Only a fool would seriously deny this potential exists right now.  

And this should be properly acknowledged and not just glossed over and forgotten for the sake of argument and spin.  

I'm quite convinced that the IAEA doesn't have a clue about what really goes on. And I don't for a second believe the US Govt or military is being forthright about what they DON'T KNOW about the situation they are blundering into.  Maybe they could ask the serving Sec-Def to fill in these "KNOWN UNKNOWNS", then maybe a little excursion into the problem of, "UNKNOWN UNKNOWNS", and perhaps he could then float the possibility that Iran with the bomb would most probably lead to regional strategic stabilisation once various paranoid and childishly aggressive countries have come to terms with it. i.e. Israel, USA, Europeans in general.

Frankly, these countries need some couch time, some deep psycho-analysis, because they seem totally incapable of addressing reality in reasonable or balanced ways, that won't result in their next acts of DIPLOMATIC STUPIDITY AND GROSS IMMATURITY producing an even more dysfunctional situation than it was previously.  

These countries are losing influence and friends because of one thing, they are being lead, either by a band of global vandals, or they are utter fucking cretins.  Given they were smart enough to plan and steal power from the people, then I'd say the former.

Either way, they're totally undeserving of our trust and unworthy to be lauded in any form as legitimate leaders, policy developers or law-makers.

Create the problem (shitty Govt, of idiots, for idiots) provide the solution (utopic wise global NWO govt).

Stands out like dog's-balls.
 

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Obama seeks to calm 'beat of war' over Syria, Iran
 
Updated March 07, 2012 08:52:41
 
Video: Watch Barack Obama's press conference
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-07/watch-barack-obama27s-press-confer...
 
 
US president Barack Obama has described the violence in Syria as "heartbreaking" but cautioned there is no simple solution, warning unilateral military action would be a mistake.
 
Mr Obama, speaking during a White House press conference this morning, also promised to take a firm but sober approach to dealing with the nuclear situation in Iran.

"What's happening in Syria is heartbreaking, and outrageous, and what you've seen is the international community mobilise against the Assad regime," he said, adding that Syrian president Bashar al-Assad has "lost legitimacy of his people". [like Barry]
 
"The actions that he is now taking against his own people is inexcusable," Mr Obama said.
 
"On the other hand, for us to take military action, unilaterally, as some have suggested, or to think that somehow there's some simple solution, I think is a mistake."
 
Yesterday, top Republican senator John McCain called for US air strikes on Syrian forces to protect population centres and create safe havens for opponents of the regime.
 
    The notion that the way to solve every one of these problems is to deploy our military, you know, that hasn't been true in the past, and it won't be true now.
    Barack Obama
 
"Time is running out," Mr McCain said, with the United Nations reporting more than 7,500 people killed in Syria in the past year.
 
He added "the only realistic way" to save civilian lives was "with foreign air power".
 
But Mr Obama cautioned the situation was not the same as in Libya, when the United States used its air force to back a NATO no-fly zone.
 
He said in Libya, the United States "had the full cooperation of the region, Arab states, and we knew that we could execute very effectively in a relatively short period of time".
 
"This is a much more complicated situation," he said.
 
"Ultimately, this dictator will fall, as dictators in the past have fallen. But the notion that the way to solve every one of these problems is to deploy our military, you know, that hasn't been true in the past, and it won't be true now."
 
Amid the escalating violence in Syria, a flurry of diplomatic initiatives has been launched separately by the Arab League, the United Nations, Russia and China - all aimed at ending the year-long tumult.
 
Former UN chief Kofi Annan is to launch a mission aimed at forcing Mr Assad to silence the guns blamed for thousands of deaths since anti-regime protests broke out last March.
 
He is to hold talks with Arab leaders in Cairo before he heads to the Syrian capital on Saturday as joint special envoy for the United Nations and the 22-member Arab League.
 
"We've got to think through what we do, through the lens of what's going to be effective, but also, what's critical for US security interests," Mr Obama added.

 
Iran nuclear 'bluster'
 
Mr Obama also repeated previous calls for a diplomatic solution to the situation in Iran.
 
He said there was no need to decide now on military action against Iran and said new talks would show "quickly" how serious Tehran is about resolving the nuclear standoff.
 
"Iran is feeling the bite of these sanctions in a substantial way. The world is unified, Iran is politically isolated. [hardly Barry] And what I have said is that we will not countenance Iran getting a nuclear weapon," he said. [i.e. same as DPRK Barry]
 
    Those who are suggesting or proposing or beating the drums of war should explain clearly to the American people what they think the costs and benefits would be.
 
"We're now seeing noises about them returning to the negotiating table, that it is deeply in everybody's interests, the United States', Israel's, and the world's, to see if this can be resolved in a peaceful fashion.
 
"And so this notion that somehow we have a choice to make in the next week or two weeks or month or two months is not borne out by the facts."
 
Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu warned during a US visit on Monday that it could not afford to wait "much longer" for sanctions to work, and said he would "never let my people live in the shadow of annihilation".
 
But Mr Obama lashed out at criticism from Republican rivals over his Iran policy, saying "bluster" is not helping resolve the crisis and accusing them of repeating the same policies he has been pursuing for three years.
 
"Those who are suggesting or proposing or beating the drums of war should explain clearly to the American people what they think the costs and benefits would be," he said.
 
"I'm not one of those people, because what I've said is that we have a window through which we can resolve this issue peacefully."
 
AFP

Topics: world-politics, unrest-conflict-and-war, united-states, syrian-arab-republic, iran-islamic-republic-of

First posted March 07, 2012 08:44:35

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Man of the People bitchez!

[my puppy for prez]

I think barry is just public posturing...he will do what his puppet masters tell him to do.  

One aim of propaganda is to muddy the waters, create confusing and conflicting "messages".

That's all that's going on.  

[Element]

that it could not afford to wait "much longer" for sanctions to work, and said he would "never let my people live in the shadow of annihilation".

Unfortunately you're just as likely to be right.  I'm floating this possibility of peace in our time because just maybe they'll give it up, and spare the world, because that would be the right and the wise thing to do.

But I know in my heart of hearts that they will not shy away from engaging in a gigantic proxy war.  Slaves are expendable.

All their moves and actions up to this point suggests that.

Only their words suggest differently.

[chinaguy]

Oh STFU you political class idiot:

1) "the bloodthirsty urges of the GOP are incapable of being quenched."

2) "the Obama presidency hasn’t been one of foreign peace....has embodied the same perpetual warfare that defined the Bush administration"

Yeah right, red team blue team

idiot

[jomama]

if they wait too long - i.e., global banking implosion that is on deck to happen any day now, the west will lose the ability to fund such an effort.  

their only choice is to strike while their next-to-worthless paper still counts for something.  the jig will be up soon- under its own unsustainable weight, and you can bet your ass it's more a matter of funding from china holding them back than anything else.

[I am Jobe]

Operation Blowback Bitchezz. Does anyone read history and the American Imperiliasm. Fuck this crap. Enough perpertual wars.

[Ocean22]

 >>>>>>>to deploying troops in Africa to hunt down the leader of a rag tag militant group posing no threat to the U.s. and no bigger than a small Amish community,<<<<<<<<

Has Ameica lost all sense of morality and now even doing the right thing for a nation far far away is not called for?

KONY 2012 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! take him out

[Ironmaan]

The author is clearly a left wing zealot. He mentions panetta saying we won't let Iran have a nuke, and then does nothing but slam the GOP as war mongerers. Hey dumb ass Panetta is in the Obama administration.
http://guerillatics.com

[I am Jobe]

Greedy Ole Pigs want the kids to enroll and go fight the wars. Dumbos will provide HC and Greedy Ole Pigs will need the men and women to go fight the wars. No different. Americans have become way too inbred to understand this concept.

[Vlad Tepid]

He also misspelled "Mossad"...

[davood]

It would be most appropriate for the bloodlust Jews to initiate another World War as they did do so for WWII by declaring war against Germany and a total economic boycott in 1933: 

http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/j...

These anti-Semetic Jews (all their leadership and 90% of their citizens are non-Semetics of the Khazarian kind from southern Russia) are consistent in their blood-letting, if nothing else.

[lakecity55]

War it will be-- unless Congress takes action against The Premier.

Panetta Says Congress is Kaput:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/03/07/Shocking%20Defense%20Se...

This is a very shocking video. It is also admission of an assumed Dictatorship.

[Money 4 Nothing]

This Breitbart link just made my argument for all the content I added today. USA is Kaput, I'm afraid it's over folks. Kansas has become the foregone conclusion.

My work here is done.

[Apostate2]

'straight of Hormuz'?

Romney is owned by an 'ism'

All those the caymen trust iranian oil shares getting his magic knicks in a twist

God is happy he plays with us

[barroter]

A land war in Iran will take so much more than Iraq did.  No "cake walk" here at all.

I don't think China nor Russia are going to stand silently by either.

Just because we're a superpower does NOT automatically grant us omniscience. This has a possibility of going badly.

And what if we need more men than we have? Do you think Americans are going to stand for a draft? That means getting our teens off the couch and turning off the all their handheld telecom. Although you can draft the Southerners, they've never met a war that they didn't like.

[I am Jobe]

All USSA needs is lots of FOXCONN in every state to manufacture and subdue the masses . Americans lack the education and the thinking skills to understand what Iran is all about. Keep buying that IPAD aholes and see yourself broke.

[Vlad Tepid]

Not to pick nits but the author misposted that there have been 33,000 US deaths in Iraq...his link shows that as the number of wounded...deaths are a little over 4400.

[Sandmann]

Iran is such a well-placed country with the US having given them a proxy in Iraq by toppling Saddam, and with a volatile Pakistan and Afghanistan. The total disaster than dealing with Iraq and Afghanistan has proven to be are only matched by the sheer incompetence of LIbya.  I do wonder what Putin has planned to counter US swagger in the region, his election is neatly sewn up and he has pledged another 450 Billion Euros weapons spending to keep the US at bay. He will probably get the Chinese to join in baiting this trap.

[Vlad Tepid]

Read Jim Rickards' 'Currency Wars' to see what Putin has planned. The US will not fare well and Europe will only stay warm if they tow the line.

[GeneMarchbanks]

Rickards is a toddler wearing man-pants. A total fade.

[GeneMarchbanks]

http://atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/NC09Ag01.html

Pepe seems to agree although I actually think Syria gets divided up(sacrificed)

See here:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/middle_east/nc07ak01.html

[Sandmann]

Well Kurdistan could make Iran and Turkey very uncomfortable

[falak pema]

Putin's Eurasia strategy is having ripple effects in Euroland; will he beat Euro land at its own game by tugging in to his new soft Empire Ukraine now on the ropes and who knows the likes of Moldavia and others who will get distressed by Euro land debacle now being planned?

The Euro construct goes hollow as Putin's star now rises. Iran could be the playground for re-strategising "The Great Game" played by 19th century Britannia; now NAto.

He has the gas, but needs the investment en masse to resuscitate Siberian oil, where existing infrastructure is falling apart, and where new projects look desperately for Oligarchy investment. O'bammy has this shoe in the door...they need the Seven Sisters to make it work. Snow white and the seven dwarfs in the land of Ras-putin.

[Money 4 Nothing]

"Since when was war declared on Yemen?"

It's called Hunt oil Corp. Seems the local residence were tired of standing in the shadow of a multi-Billion dollar Oil Company (American interest) and decided to level some social justice upon their property about 2.5 years ago. Many citizens and of course children died in the name of Al-CIAda.. again. That's what really happened.

In return, all they got for their protesting trouble was a USA ordered Drone strike upon their camps, Obama ordered it and then President Ali Saleh colluded with then Gen. Petraus in conjunction with MSM to shape the story of the strike being a righteous attack upon Al-CIAda operatives. Problem is, they got caught. For Saleh's trouble, he found himself on the wrong end of a sidewinder. Just our way of saying "thank you" for your cooperation in the war against terror then we made a regime change.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2011/09/aqap_releases_biogra.php

Now, back to Bibi, the last time this asshole cried "wolf" was in the Iraq invasion, remember the WMD folly? It was Bibi that pushed the nuclear arms agenda.. AGAIN that Iraq was building WMD / Nuclear war heads underneath an Iraq electricity reactor, sound familiar?

So we attacked then looked for the supposed evidence of nuke warhead production under the now destroyed plant and no WMD evidence was ever found. Bibi stood corrected, little late, but corrected non the less. Sorry Sadam, next time don't convert your oil bourse to the Euro and drop the Petro Dollar. See the pattern yet?

We set up Bibi to make the case of Israel's "National Security" or International security for that matter and there is that word again.. So we can carry out our own "National interests" in sand box nobody gives a fuk about besides Petro Dollar trade interests.

Side Note:

Iran is the #3 oil producer in the world and they just started to chair OPEC. They have set the stage for Petro Dollar warfare that we were warned about years ago, simply, becuase it's Iran's turn to chair the board, we drew up plans in '05 to demonise Iran before hand and make the case for WMD's way in advance. Kish Island accepts any payment besides the USDX for oil. Gold preferably, this will officially be mandated on March 20th. 

No, this isn't the first time this loon has "goaded" the US into striking targets that Bibi feels he has a "hunch" (given a story play to read) that something may be a threat to the Israel Nation and must be neutalalized, we are more than happy to pull out the trampoline. It's a hand in hand relationship with Israel, one lies and the other one swears. If you stand by Israel, you will be found on the wrong side of His-story. Giving comfort to the enemy comes to mind also. In the Big picture of all these events, the USA is ultimately the "Bad Actor" on a Global scale.

I'm am very disapponted in my Country and I'm finally ready to get a Passport if nothing changes on the land I served.. WWIII will be a private war of joint illicit interests with Corperate funding.

 More later, need coffee. Iran is his next Hypothesis.

[kralizec]

WWIII is here!  No, it's here!  Hey, over here!  LOL!

[crawldaddy]

dude dude dude,  why the owrry, here is a NEW ipad. See, all better

[bulltraderpt]

Right so the author seems to say because it was wrong to invade Iraq (because of their, as it turned out, lack of WMD), we should not now attempt to disrupt / stop Iran from acquiring them?

This is surely false logic.

Just because the invasion of Iraq was contensious doesn't mean the West should turn a blind eye to Iran's Nuclear ambitions.

It's correct to say I'd rather we collectively lose several thousand of western troops (but hopefully) a lot less to stop the Iranians attempting to acquire Nuclear weapons than attempt negotiate with a Nuclear armed Iran.

Still, I'd rather trust the Americans (for all their alledged faults) than the Iranians.

[Winston Churchill]

The Iranians have every right to get the bomb.

They are not Arabs they are Persians.

Building a bomb is simple once you have the weapons grade eranium.

One must assume they have alredy done it.

This can only end in a nuclear war.

Lets all mind our owen business,but of course of course its all about the Petro dolloar,

not the bomb, so maybe its time we all built our own bunkers again.The elite already have them.

[Cynthia]

Shouldn't there have to be some shred of evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons before the world allows a rogue nuclear armed regime who refuses to sign the NPT to threaten and/or attack another NPT/UN member?   Should there not be some protection afforded those who sign the NPT against threats to their sovereignty by rogue nuclear armed regimes like Israel?   

Thus far the neither the Israeli regime nor the IAEA inspectors have produced any evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program, so all we have is the same opinions of the same so-called "experts" who were proven to have lied about Iraq's WMDs.

Before the world lets Israel lead the world into another major war, Israel should be forced to sign the NPT and allow inspections of its own secret underground nuclear bunkers just as Iran has..

[UGrev]

Evidence? Har har.. CHAAAARGE!!! /sarcasm

[Sandmann]

Iran trying to build nuclear missiles capable of hitting London, Cameron warns MPs

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2111307/Iran-trying-build-nuclea...

Joint Intelligence Committee chairman John Scarlett told the Hutton Inquiry it only referred to tactical battlefield weapons - such as shells and mortars - and not long-range ballistic missiles, as had been widely assumed in press reports at the time.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-207403/Blair-admission-45-minute-claim.html#ixzz1nhZPBpY8

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2277352.stm

Been in this movie before......where is the exit ?

[Money 4 Nothing]

"Shouldn't there have to be some shred of evidence that Iran is developing nuclear weapons before the world allows a rogue nuclear armed regime who refuses to sign the NPT to threaten and/or attack another NPT/UN member?"

No, just hearsay with a twist of psyops is how we "create" our feild intel. Were the U-S of Fukin A, we don't need no stinkin badges.

"Thus far the neither the Israeli regime nor the IAEA inspectors have produced any evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapons program, so all we have is the same opinions of the same so-called "experts" who were proven to have lied about Iraq's WMDs."

True. IAEA says their good to go, but the UN says otherwise. Guess who were going to be asking to start the War? It won't be Congress or the Senate.

Do yourself a favor and stop trying to use logical conclusions.

"Before the world lets Israel lead the world into another major war, Israel should be forced to sign the NPT and allow inspections of its own secret underground nuclear bunkers just as Iran has.."

I totally agree, but that's not how we roll anymore with rogue Neo Con elements in the Pentagon. Any Oil producing Nation that dares to threaten Dollar Hedgemony will be smoked, end of story. Who are the real terrorists now? Blood for USD dominance is the call of the day even if it means inciting WWIII.

"Truth is always the first casualty of War."

[falak pema]

When u lose the war on the financial home front, and the energy conundrum makes things worse, you have to bet the ranch on an OK Corral shoot-out; the fifth of its kind in 11 years : Afghan 2001, IRak 2003, Afghan 2009, Libya 2011, Iran/Syria 2012?

The game to determine who runs MIC plays...and all that goes with it.

[Hannibal]

Expose the Israelis' Dimona secret underground nukes, no more US cash till they sign the Nuclear Non Proliferation Agreement and the IAEA has inspected their nuke sites.

[digalert]

IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!

DAMNIT!!!

[Money 4 Nothing]

Technically, Obama can not be impeached, the US Marshal service or Secret Service would have to get a Supreme Court order with the burden of proof to enter the White House to straight up arrest him and tried for a littney of different frauds and crimes. He is not a legitimate President of the USA so Impeachment would actually lend credibility to his Commander in Chief status. He has to be hauled out in cuffs. 

Which leads us Americans to this Conundrum, is Eric Holder going to level an arrest warrant against him for war crimes or for being a fraudulant President? No, he is just as guilty for his own crimes he has commited under Oath of his office. We are already in a Constitutional crisis, we don't need another one right now being on the cusp of a manufatured war, as intended.

One State of Emergency that activates COG and Obama goes nowhere. As planned, you figure the rest out for yourself.

[Blue Horshoe Lo...]

Then Joe Biden will start the war.  Won't change a thing.

[Fix It Again Timmy]

US Foreign Policy - Blunder, Bomb, Bail....

[FLHRS]

It is also a Sunni/Shiite conflict.  The Sunnis don't like the Shiites getting too big for their pants and it is convenient for some of their allies.  Specifically Saudi Arabia (Sunnis), and the US vs Iran, Syria (Shiite) and China/Russia.  Throw in the petro dollar and it is a perfect combination.  Not so convenient for China and Russia.

[connda]

From what I have seen during the RP primaries, the majority of Americans have already drank the Kool-Aide.  A corporate sock puppet will be elected president, and the majority of congressional incumbent sock puppets will be reelected. This entire county is now FUBARed.

If there is nothing keeping you, it's probably a good time to find a new home somewhere else on the globe, preferably not down-wind from the current splatter-zone.  If you wrote about this 60 years ago, it would have made some pretty good fiction -- well, I guess some authors did. 

[crawldaddy]

next world war will be a few months at most.  Energy prices will collapse economies and then government will simply hack and destroy each others power grids.  AT that point pretty hard to wage war when the homefronts are in the dark and living in the 1800s, without the skillsets needed to live in the 1800s.

[falak pema]

read what they said in 1914... btw : this depression is already into 4 years in some countries; and it looks like going decade length. So a war is a good way of purging mal investment. As Goerings implied, people have no choice. One the tocsin rings world wide. 

[FunkyOldGeezer]

Such an optimistic thread/main post.

[crawldaddy]

I just wish we still had a draft, that way none of this ill advised illegal wars would ever start.  Pretty easy to be a war monger when its someone elses kids ass is on the line.

As for nukes? who the fuck cares, its 1940 tech.  Pakistan and North Korea are more unstable than Iran and they have the bomb, and yet,  life goes on.

[JuicyGrabs]

Watch and learn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeGYAfh9A1k

[Blue Horshoe Lo...]

 Gustave Gilbert, an intelligence officer, interviewed Hermann Goering at Nuremberg on 

18th April, 1946.

We got around to the subject of war again and I said that, contrary to his attitude, I did not 

think that the common people are very thankful for leaders who bring them war and destruction.

"Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a 

farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to 

his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in 

England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it 

is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to 

drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or 

a Communist dictatorship."

"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the 

matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can 

declare wars."

"Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to 

the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being 

attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. 

It works the same way in any country."

[Son of Loki]

I read over 82% of Americans polled are against the war. This is why Republican war mongering will cause them to lose the election, I beleive...not to mention Rush Limbaugh's recent remarks that alieanted 90% of women and pushed them into the Obama camp.

[djsmps]

The difference is Republicans are using war-mongering rhetoric. Obama is using real bombs and bullets.

[Blue Horshoe Lo...]

Oil = USD$
If you don't follow this equation, your country will be the recipient of Bombs for Peace.

$10 gas will be fun, fun, fun.  Bye bye what's left of the American economy. It was nice to know ya.

[Bansters-in-my-...]

Israel....

Thats where the Rothschilds hold thier family reunions on Rothschild Blvd.

[americanspirit]

Gas and bugs trump high explosives and nukes. Iran well remembers Saddam's use of chemcial weapons, supplied by the West, that killed over 1 million Iranian soldiers in the Iran-Iraq war. We are hearing every day that Syria has 'thousands' of missles equipped with CBW warheads. Should we assume that Iran does NOT have CBW weapons and the means to deliver them regionally and maybe beyond. My guess is that such weapons won't ven have to be delivered - that they are alredy in place in strategic locations and have been for years. The Us can send in all the remote killing machines it has in its arsenal, and a small cloud of gas and/or bugs could decimate any major city in the world, and could render the Persian gulf lifeless. These warmongering assholes don't have a clue what kind of pandora's box they are opening. Not a clue.

[sodazed]

These warmongering assholes don't have a clue what kind of pandora's box they are opening. Not a clue.

That's the problem. They do...

[earleflorida]

Johnson [LBJ/ bad to worse], Nixon [RMN/ worse to horrible], Jerry Ford [the erasor?], Reagan [the biggest lying fuck of them all and war-monger dujour], George HW Bush [#41/ the most diabolical family patriarch in the free world, period!] Clinton [WJC/ POS/ Profiteer/ Traitor?], George Bush [#43/ the rotten apple of my three sons/ worst modern day POS in history without exception], and Barack Hussein Obama [ a close 2nd to Bushie-wackers #41/#43/ perhaps he could eclipse all the former with his destruction of america's "Bill-of-Rights' & Constitution",... just perhaps that's why he came from no-where to finish the job?]

Ps. kennedy and carter have no mention for neither were war-mongers

Ps2. excellent article, thankyou

jmo

[Carl LaFong]

I don't get it.  Hassn't any Israel-hater on ZH ever read that Israel is only the "little satan?"  The US is the "Great Satan!"  Whether Israel is blown off the face of the earth or not, the Great Satan must be destroyed.  That's been the rhetoric and will continue to be so until the "ummah" reaches from the Hamptons to Maiibu. You people really need to wake up and understand what messianic shi'ite Islam and it's hundreds of millions of adherants believe and are willing to do to bring their "messiah." It's the worldwide conflagration and caliphate that are the goals. It continues to amaze me how easy it is to get the rabid anti-semites going on and on about the Israeli impirialistic war machine when the most imperialistic religious and political system in history is defiling our culture and taking over Europe, UK, and USA.  Let's remember the ancient Islamic war cry, "First the Saturday people and then the Sunday people."  Wake up, you illiterate dhimmis!  Israel is only one little chick pea in the bowl of Muslim hummus.

[AnAnonymous]

It continues to amaze me how easy it is to get the rabid anti-semites going on and on about the Israeli impirialistic war machine when the most imperialistic religious and political system in history is defiling our culture and taking over Europe, UK, and USA.

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Ah, ah, people should wake up indeed.

Islam taking over Europe, Uk and the USA.

Get ready for the tidal wave, they are coming.

US citizenism is all about submission.